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Author Topic: ⚽UEFA Europa League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 Winners: Eintracht Frankfurt!  (Read 34368 times)
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April 17, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
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Earnings from marketing are perhaps even more important, and that includes TV rights, selling stadium names, advertising on player equipment etc.
Just to get an idea, here's the news on how much Barcelona will earn from a new sponsorship deal with music streaming giant Spotify:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomsanderson/2022/03/15/fc-barcelona-announce-spotify-sponorship-deal/?sh=561cdd513312

Barcelona has financial problems but we all know that.
Much more important, however, is the club's reputation and the interest of sponsors, which is still very high.
Xavi has stabilized the team, finances are improving, the club still has very talented players and there is no need to worry about the future of the club.
Barcelona played a very bad match with Frankfurt in a strange atmosphere where at their own stadium their fans were in the minority, which affected the players.
Next season it will be a completely different story, and Barcelona will once again fight for all the trophies, including the Champions League trophy.



Why are you trying to downplay the loss in the CL and UL? A successful club logically generates more profits in all sections, including marketing, than an unsuccessful club. Therefore, not only are the profits lost through the UL, but in general the income will be reduced.

Of course, deals like Spotify are great, but that doesn't change the points witch I already explained.

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April 17, 2022, 03:15:52 PM
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The most important income of big clubs like Barca is the champions league, then the uefa league as a substitute. With a title in the UL or CL you get financial budget that is completely missing now and you can't just replace that.
What they currently earn is the least, the club has high debts and had to give away a lot of top players because they couldn't even pay the salaries anymore for example Messi and now you‘re talking about lewa  Cheesy
Earnings from marketing are perhaps even more important, and that includes TV rights, selling stadium names, advertising on player equipment etc.
Just to get an idea, here's the news on how much Barcelona will earn from a new sponsorship deal with music streaming giant Spotify:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomsanderson/2022/03/15/fc-barcelona-announce-spotify-sponorship-deal/?sh=561cdd513312
Barcelona has financial problems but we all know that.
Much more important, however, is the club's reputation and the interest of sponsors, which is still very high.
Xavi has stabilized the team, finances are improving, the club still has very talented players and there is no need to worry about the future of the club.
Barcelona played a very bad match with Frankfurt in a strange atmosphere where at their own stadium their fans were in the minority, which affected the players.
Next season it will be a completely different story, and Barcelona will once again fight for all the trophies, including the Champions League trophy.

I think we have to understand that whatever Barcelona did at the end of the season was the best that they probably could have done in this season.

If you just look at the start of the season and compare that to the end I think we will find significant improvement in the team. I agree that the club is in Big Debt but I think the financial situation is going to stabilize and they will be able to come out of that.

Barcelona has a lot of other income outside of the Champions League and Europa League and I think even though it would have helped a lot, it's not something that good absolutely break or make the economy of Barcelona.

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April 17, 2022, 04:11:42 PM
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From the start I predicted that Barcelona would have a hard time dealing with Frankfrut's quick counter-attack. It proved yesterday, they were 3 goals behind. Besides that, fankfrut also plays modern football. Didn't have much possession of the ball but they were effective and won. Of course this is also a warning that the European league is not an easy league too for Barcelona.
I'm quite surprised with West Ham they are able to do well in Europe, they will play Frankfurt in the semifinals.
Out of the 4 teams in the semi-finals Rangers was the most surprising one of them was when they beat Dortmund I'm sure no one expected Rangers to go this far
I can't imagine if they win the Europa League they have strength in defense and attack a combination that can destroy anyone in the semi-finals
So far I can't guess who deserves to win the Europa League because the chances are the same.
In my opinion, why Rangers were able to advance to the semifinals, that's because since the round of 16 Rangers were lucky to get a mediocre
team opponent. So it's understandable why Rangers can enter the semifinals, but the possibility of Rangers advancing to the final seems
very unlikely. Because Rangers finally got a strong enough opponent, Rangers had to get rid of Leipzig in the semifinals to qualify for
the Europa League final. But unfortunately Leipzig is a strong team from the Bundesliga, so Leipzig will most likely get rid of Rangers.
What's interesting is that Rangers have eliminated Dortmund in the Europa League, even though Dortmund are much stronger than Leipzig.
Knowing this fact there is still a chance for Rangers to advance to the final, although I doubt Rangers can beat Leipzig. Because it is now approaching
the end of the season, Leipzig's performance has improved very rapidly to be much different from Leipzig at the beginning of the season.
Even among the 4 teams that qualified for the semifinals in my opinion the strongest is Leipzig, so I favor Leipzig to win the Europa League trophy.

I think RB Leipzig and West Ham should be the finalists of this Europa League. At least that's my prediction and it can obviously be wrong. to be honest it is really hard to predict anything at the moment because All the unbelievable things are happening right now.

Rb Leipzig has certainly shown a lot of improvement in their performance. they are in a good respectable position in the Bundesliga also. So, I do prefer them to be the winners in the Europa League and advance to the finals.

About West Ham, I think they have played really well this season also, at least judging by their standards. So I think they should also be in the finals for the Europa League. they have certainly shown good performance in the English Premier League via the competition is really good in my opinion. Actually, I think they might be the winners of the Europa League this season because now they don't have to worry about Barcelona.

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April 17, 2022, 04:19:51 PM
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Barcelona gained exactly zero experience from this defeat  Wink I assure you next season you will see many more such defeats if Barcelona do not get rid of Xavi.
I reaally thought that Barcelona could be the winner of this Europe Leage with their come back oerformance. But the last match really surprising. They lost and they have no chance again to bring any single throphy this season.
They should learn much in the next season.
But yes, Eintracht Frankfurt really could utilize the shits on target maximally and they played more effectively in the match.

Congratulations to all teams that are qualified for the next semi final of Europe League.
West Ham may be my favorite right now to win.

This is fine. Some even think that now Barcelona could be competitive in the Champions League  Grin
In fact, Barcelona really could have won the trophy, given that the level of the remaining teams in the draw is low and everyone has a chance. It was just unlucky that the Eintracht coach fully calculated their game and used an effective counter-strategy.

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April 17, 2022, 04:21:18 PM
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I think we have to understand that whatever Barcelona did at the end of the season was the best that they probably could have done in this season.

If you just look at the start of the season and compare that to the end I think we will find significant improvement in the team. I agree that the club is in Big Debt but I think the financial situation is going to stabilize and they will be able to come out of that.

Barcelona has a lot of other income outside of the Champions League and Europa League and I think even though it would have helped a lot, it's not something that good absolutely break or make the economy of Barcelona.
After Barcelona reach an agreement with their new sponsor next season Barcelona's financial condition is expected to be better and that will allow them to return to being good competitors in Europe. This season they have been very chaotic, but Xavi managed to take steps to make it more stable especially about the way he recruits players so that Barcelona's expenses are not too big.

For now, I don't think the Europa League will still get much attention among football fans considering there are no real favorites in the semifinals. Obviously the fan base of the team in the semi-finals is much lower on this forum than the fan base of Barcelona. Unfortunately, Xavi ultimately failed in the Europa League.


 
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April 17, 2022, 04:38:34 PM
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Worse than Barcelona's embarrassment by not having a single major title fight this season, consider Barcelona's even worse financial situation. The Uefa title would have given them at least a little financial help. Now they have hardly any income.
In addition, I think that with the remaining teams, unfortunately, there are no longer any big players and the tension is low.
There are still plenty of sources of income that Barcelona generates, and it's not just about winning titles for an income. In fact, rumors about Lewandowski are likely to be true and Barcelona will sign him for 3 years according to one source I read. Just imagine, the best player in FIFA's version can be recruited by Barcelona, ​​even if you think they have no income, even though it's just a rumor but we can see that Barcelona is not a poor team. Lol! So in this case, club income is not just about winning titles because there are still many sources of club income which of course will be fine for Barcelona too. Winning and losing in a match is natural, because basically Barcelona themselves this season didn't start well so I think it's only natural that Barcelona stopped in the quarter-finals. I think it's good enough with what Xavi has done, getting through to 2nd place in La Liga and getting to the quarter-finals in the Europa League is good enough.
You are aware that Barcelona has debts of more than 1,3 Billion €? The reason for that is that they have paid Messi 555 Million € between 2017 and 2021, which means more than 130 Million per yearh which is just absolutely crazy. Then the covid pandemic came and the the very fragile financial foundation of Barcelona just completely fell apart.
So they definitely would have needed that few extra Million € that they could have earned when they have reached the Europa League final. I also think that it is absolutely ridiculous that they have still signed Ferran Torres from ManCity for a few of 50 Million € and they are now wanting to sign Lewnadowski too which would probably also cost at least 50 Million of transfer fee + a high yearly salary.
Barca should not be allowed to pay such high transfer fees until their debts are back to a normal level. Spanish clubs just seem not to be able to handle money reasonably. Real Madrid also has 900 Million of debts and they will want to sign Mbappe and Haaland, absolutely crazy.

There is no denying that Barcelona needs every penny that they can get. It actually doesn't matter how small it is.

So, I absolutely agree that the winning amount in the Europa League would certainly have helped Barcelona considering the current financial situation of the club.   

But I think it is not something that is going to absolutely make  Barcelona go broke again. They would certainly have used the earnings from the UEFA Europa League title win, now they have to make do.

I think for Barcelona this season is over and they will be looking to make things right in the next season and I actually think they will be able to play in lot better in the next season.

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April 17, 2022, 04:38:47 PM
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Barcelona gained exactly zero experience from this defeat  Wink I assure you next season you will see many more such defeats if Barcelona do not get rid of Xavi.
I reaally thought that Barcelona could be the winner of this Europe Leage with their come back oerformance. But the last match really surprising. They lost and they have no chance again to bring any single throphy this season.
They should learn much in the next season.
But yes, Eintracht Frankfurt really could utilize the shits on target maximally and they played more effectively in the match.

Congratulations to all teams that are qualified for the next semi final of Europe League.
West Ham may be my favorite right now to win.

This is fine. Some even think that now Barcelona could be competitive in the Champions League  Grin
In fact, Barcelona really could have won the trophy, given that the level of the remaining teams in the draw is low and everyone has a chance. It was just unlucky that the Eintracht coach fully calculated their game and used an effective counter-strategy.
That's right, Frankfurt's strategy is very good, so Barcelona is having a hard time there. There was nothing wrong in the game they did but indeed Oliver Glasner had expected something like this and he had anticipated from the start that they managed to beat Barcelona in his own game.
This was something that was unexpected but the possibility of something like this happening did exist and now it's proven because Barcelona failed in this round

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April 17, 2022, 04:42:22 PM
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So far I can't guess who deserves to win the Europa League because the chances are the same.
It is so difficult to choose between them, all of the teams are evenly matched, well that is going to make things a whole lot interesting. I would personally be rooting for West Ham to go all the way and win the trophy, i like the way they play and have gone about their business, not just in the Europa League, but also in the EPL, thus i think they deserve to finish the season with 'something', and maybe that might just be the Europa League trophy, who knows.

Having said that, if West Ham do win it, it is going to be absolutely huge for their club, they will be winning a trophy that will mean they will play in the CL next season, their fans will be beside themselves if this does happen. Fingers crossed till the very end anyway.

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April 17, 2022, 04:51:58 PM
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it's true, it doesn't mean a club that doesn't get a trophy this season has no income. Barcelona is a great team they have only been on the decline this season and it was only a short time at the start of the season before Xavi finally came with many positive changes. The progress and setbacks of a football club's achievements are natural but how do they respond to it to be able to get up quickly and Barcelona have done their best to get back to the quality of their best team.
Good results have clearly been seen at Barcelona this season even though they have lost in the European Champions League and also can't necessarily win in their own league this season and I think it's true that it is a very natural thing to struggle in every game, so it is not a problem as long as Barcelona is still able to fight to be better next season.
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In my opinion, why Rangers were able to advance to the semifinals, that's because since the round of 16 Rangers were lucky to get a mediocre
team opponent. So it's understandable why Rangers can enter the semifinals, but the possibility of Rangers advancing to the final seems
very unlikely. Because Rangers finally got a strong enough opponent, Rangers had to get rid of Leipzig in the semifinals to qualify for
the Europa League final. But unfortunately Leipzig is a strong team from the Bundesliga, so Leipzig will most likely get rid of Rangers.
What's interesting is that Rangers have eliminated Dortmund in the Europa League, even though Dortmund are much stronger than Leipzig.
Knowing this fact there is still a chance for Rangers to advance to the final, although I doubt Rangers can beat Leipzig. Because it is now approaching
the end of the season, Leipzig's performance has improved very rapidly to be much different from Leipzig at the beginning of the season.
Even among the 4 teams that qualified for the semifinals in my opinion the strongest is Leipzig, so I favor Leipzig to win the Europa League trophy.

I think RB Leipzig and West Ham should be the finalists of this Europa League. At least that's my prediction and it can obviously be wrong. to be honest it is really hard to predict anything at the moment because All the unbelievable things are happening right now.

Rb Leipzig has certainly shown a lot of improvement in their performance. they are in a good respectable position in the Bundesliga also. So, I do prefer them to be the winners in the Europa League and advance to the finals.

About West Ham, I think they have played really well this season also, at least judging by their standards. So I think they should also be in the finals for the Europa League. they have certainly shown good performance in the English Premier League via the competition is really good in my opinion. Actually, I think they might be the winners of the Europa League this season because now they don't have to worry about Barcelona.

Everything has become difficult to predict after Barcelona were knocked out by Frankfurt. But this makes the Europa League even more
interesting, because the 4 teams that are in the semifinals have the same opportunity. Because the strengths of the 4 teams are not
much different, but I support your prediction that West Ham and Leipzig will advance to the final. Because compared to Frankfurt and Rangers,
it must be admitted that the quality of West Ham and Leipzig players is slightly better. So most likely Frankfurt and Rangers should be eliminated
in the semifinals, although I know Frankfurt can beat Barcelona who have much better quality players, but surely West Ham have learned
from Barcelona's mistakes.

After all like Premier League teams, West Ham's game was faster in making the transition. So West Ham's style of play is much different
from Barcelona's, which is Barcelona more concerned with a combination of short passes. I agree West Ham apart from the possibility of
beating Frankfurt, West Ham still have a chance to win the Europa League trophy too. Although I think Leipzig are performing slightly better
than West Ham, but teams from the Premier League cannot be underestimated, because until now the Premier League is still the best league
in the world.

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April 17, 2022, 07:29:32 PM
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it's true, it doesn't mean a club that doesn't get a trophy this season has no income. Barcelona is a great team they have only been on the decline this season and it was only a short time at the start of the season before Xavi finally came with many positive changes. The progress and setbacks of a football club's achievements are natural but how do they respond to it to be able to get up quickly and Barcelona have done their best to get back to the quality of their best team.
Good results have clearly been seen at Barcelona this season even though they have lost in the European Champions League and also can't necessarily win in their own league this season and I think it's true that it is a very natural thing to struggle in every game, so it is not a problem as long as Barcelona is still able to fight to be better next season.
With their current achievements they are actually still quite good now when compared to their performance at the beginning of the season clearly their performance is very much different.
Now they are in transition and indeed they won't be able to get a trophy for this season but it won't be too much of a problem as Xavi is still under development to coach Barcelona at the moment

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April 17, 2022, 08:08:34 PM
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This is fine. Some even think that now Barcelona could be competitive in the Champions League  Grin
In fact, Barcelona really could have won the trophy, given that the level of the remaining teams in the draw is low and everyone has a chance. It was just unlucky that the Eintracht coach fully calculated their game and used an effective counter-strategy.
That's right, Frankfurt's strategy is very good, so Barcelona is having a hard time there. There was nothing wrong in the game they did but indeed Oliver Glasner had expected something like this and he had anticipated from the start that they managed to beat Barcelona in his own game.
This was something that was unexpected but the possibility of something like this happening did exist and now it's proven because Barcelona failed in this round

This is unexpected for those who are new to football  Wink In their golden years at the peak of their form, when Tiki Taka was relevant (and not outdated as it is now), Barcelona regularly lost to teams that understood what kind of anti-strategy to play and there were not only top clubs like Real, Inter and others, but also such as, for example, Rubin (Kazan). I remember it all well. Xavi tries to return the past, but he will not succeed.

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April 17, 2022, 09:53:51 PM
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Good results have clearly been seen at Barcelona this season even though they have lost in the European Champions League and also can't necessarily win in their own league this season and I think it's true that it is a very natural thing to struggle in every game, so it is not a problem as long as Barcelona is still able to fight to be better next season.
With their current achievements they are actually still quite good now when compared to their performance at the beginning of the season clearly their performance is very much different.
Now they are in transition and indeed they won't be able to get a trophy for this season but it won't be too much of a problem as Xavi is still under development to coach Barcelona at the moment
The start of this season was clearly the worst one for them as there were views about them, they will end out of top four, and they have early exited from Champions League as well, but after having some good changes things happened very positively for them, and now they are at second spot in La Liga and lost against Frankfurt in quarter-final is still something better. Their current form is indicating they can bring some amazing run in next season with their aggressive approach and form.

This season is going to end without any trophy is not good for them but still this transition is good and for their long run success the best thing happened to them, they settle things very quickly and positively as many big clubs in Europe are feeling big troubles even they are much better in finances and having some good resources but fail which is big question mark for them but here Barcelona is amazingly fights back.

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Good results have clearly been seen at Barcelona this season even though they have lost in the European Champions League and also can't necessarily win in their own league this season and I think it's true that it is a very natural thing to struggle in every game, so it is not a problem as long as Barcelona is still able to fight to be better next season.
With their current achievements they are actually still quite good now when compared to their performance at the beginning of the season clearly their performance is very much different.
Now they are in transition and indeed they won't be able to get a trophy for this season but it won't be too much of a problem as Xavi is still under development to coach Barcelona at the moment
The start of this season was clearly the worst one for them as there were views about them, they will end out of top four, and they have early exited from Champions League as well, but after having some good changes things happened very positively for them, and now they are at second spot in La Liga and lost against Frankfurt in quarter-final is still something better. Their current form is indicating they can bring some amazing run in next season with their aggressive approach and form.

This season is going to end without any trophy is not good for them but still this transition is good and for their long run success the best thing happened to them, they settle things very quickly and positively as many big clubs in Europe are feeling big troubles even they are much better in finances and having some good resources but fail which is big question mark for them but here Barcelona is amazingly fights back.

Failures make them stronger, I think that is true because Barcelona was very painful to watch at the beginning of the season and it seemed that they were not even in the top 5 at the end of the season. and with the arrival of Xavi not everything was working out at once, but gradually, which proves that the coach has really worked on the team

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April 17, 2022, 10:11:41 PM
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In the semi finals, West Ham are going to take on Frankfurt and it can be a really interesting matchup too. Frankfurt would have a quite improved self-confidence after eliminating Barcelona in last round. I don't expect them to give up easily against West Ham too. But this can be a really competitive one as West Ham are very determined to move on. I will be seeing West Ham as one step ahead in this.

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In the semi finals, West Ham are going to take on Frankfurt and it can be a really interesting matchup too. Frankfurt would have a quite improved self-confidence after eliminating Barcelona in last round. I don't expect them to give up easily against West Ham too. But this can be a really competitive one as West Ham are very determined to move on. I will be seeing West Ham as one step ahead in this.

I believe it will be a fiercely contested tie, and with away goals irrelevant, it will be a game that WestHam relishes; WestHam defending is quite good, as they are selfish when it comes to conceding goals especially in the europa league, I think WestHam has the edge, scores, prevent opponents from scoring and very compact in defending. Cant wait for the semi final tie
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April 17, 2022, 11:48:46 PM
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In the semi finals, West Ham are going to take on Frankfurt and it can be a really interesting matchup too. Frankfurt would have a quite improved self-confidence after eliminating Barcelona in last round. I don't expect them to give up easily against West Ham too. But this can be a really competitive one as West Ham are very determined to move on. I will be seeing West Ham as one step ahead in this.
same, I think West Ham are just better this season in general competing against Arsenal and Man utd for the 6th place, also Frankfurt lost in Bundesliga today 2-0, they're not that good, we can't judge them based on just one match or two, I can definitely see West Ham in the final.

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April 18, 2022, 05:45:55 AM
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With their current achievements they are actually still quite good now when compared to their performance at the beginning of the season clearly their performance is very much different.
Now they are in transition and indeed they won't be able to get a trophy for this season but it won't be too much of a problem as Xavi is still under development to coach Barcelona at the moment
Yes, I see it that way too, because in general Barcelona are starting to look competitive again in every game this season and it shows that a coach like Xavi is someone who is very serious about developing a football team like Barcelona.
So as long as they all still try and try to improve in the following seasons, then one of the trophies in a certain League will definitely be won by Barcelona again.
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April 18, 2022, 05:57:55 AM
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With their current achievements they are actually still quite good now when compared to their performance at the beginning of the season clearly their performance is very much different.
Now they are in transition and indeed they won't be able to get a trophy for this season but it won't be too much of a problem as Xavi is still under development to coach Barcelona at the moment
Yes, I see it that way too, because in general Barcelona are starting to look competitive again in every game this season and it shows that a coach like Xavi is someone who is very serious about developing a football team like Barcelona.
So as long as they all still try and try to improve in the following seasons, then one of the trophies in a certain League will definitely be won by Barcelona again.


Unfortunately Barcelona didn’t qualify next round. Frankfurt did well their job as well.Frankfurt well played against Barcelona. But is more Strong team than Frankfurt. Xavi doing very well with Barcelona but he didn’t do it that time.Bad luck for Barcelona and Barcelona fans are very disappointed with their  performance. I hope Barcelona will be back again their prime time in next season.
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April 18, 2022, 08:49:29 AM
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Unfortunately Barcelona didn’t qualify next round. Frankfurt did well their job as well.Frankfurt well played against Barcelona. But is more Strong team than Frankfurt. Xavi doing very well with Barcelona but he didn’t do it that time.Bad luck for Barcelona and Barcelona fans are very disappointed with their  performance. I hope Barcelona will be back again their prime time in next season.
Barcelona have bad performance against with Frankfurt on second leg and actually Xavi made mistake with several starting eleven player against with Frankfurt and have defeated on home match. I watch 90 minutes games play between Barcelona vs Frankfurt although with dominance on ball possession but Frankfurt most effective when counter attack, faster and make left and right side from Barcelona player easy for getting space before three goals scored, I was disappointed with Barcelona actually on early minutes not aggressive and play well when several minutes left.
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