⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[Naida_BR]

I think the last season was an exception. Messi is no longer the outstanding player he once was. He still has great moments but he is no longer the great playmaker. The team is built for him. I think that is the problem. There were also problems last year. With a new start without Messi and with the new coach, Barcelona will stabilize and in two three years they will play for the CL win again. Until then I don't think they have a chance.

Without Messi and with a team where a lot of the current players are told to leave the club, I don't see them in a good spot for the upcoming years. Two or three years until they are competitive again in the Champions League? What if the officials at Barcelona don't have that much patience and are trying to force success with more expensive transfers? And what if these transfers flop like Coutinho, Dembele or Griezmann?! Barcas financial situation is already not the best and if they mess up this fresh start, Barcas could lose its shine over the next years.

If Messi leaves, more players are going to leave Barcelona thats for sure.
However, it is not necessarily bad. It is going to help build a new team and evolve the strategies and plays that the team had and all was Messi-centric. It is time for Barcelona to radically change.

[babo]

Without Messi and with a team where a lot of the current players are told to leave the club, I don't see them in a good spot for the upcoming years. Two or three years until they are competitive again in the Champions League? What if the officials at Barcelona don't have that much patience and are trying to force success with more expensive transfers? And what if these transfers flop like Coutinho, Dembele or Griezmann?! Barcas financial situation is already not the best and if they mess up this fresh start, Barcas could lose its shine over the next years.

Obviously all those attracted by the possibility of learning by staying close to Messi will leave. This is absolutely obvious..
For this reason I speak of total re-construction of the team. When there are these earthquakes, you simply have to start from scratch.

[Daniel91]

I think the last season was an exception. Messi is no longer the outstanding player he once was. He still has great moments but he is no longer the great playmaker. The team is built for him. I think that is the problem. There were also problems last year. With a new start without Messi and with the new coach, Barcelona will stabilize and in two three years they will play for the CL win again. Until then I don't think they have a chance.

Without Messi and with a team where a lot of the current players are told to leave the club, I don't see them in a good spot for the upcoming years. Two or three years until they are competitive again in the Champions League? What if the officials at Barcelona don't have that much patience and are trying to force success with more expensive transfers? And what if these transfers flop like Coutinho, Dembele or Griezmann?! Barcas financial situation is already not the best and if they mess up this fresh start, Barcas could lose its shine over the next years.

If Messi leaves, more players are going to leave Barcelona thats for sure.
However, it is not necessarily bad. It is going to help build a new team and evolve the strategies and plays that the team had and all was Messi-centric. It is time for Barcelona to radically change.

What must first change in Barcelona is their club policy, strategy, in fact the whole management.
Changing players alone won’t help much if everything else stays the same.
Barcelona needs new people with new ideas and strategies.
They have to prepare for the era after Messi.

[dre1982]

Let's hope Ajax will be in pot 2.

They just need to redo their campaign like in 2019. Let's hope they don't lose to many players in this transfer window.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

So far we are in this situation, clubs are in Italian but you can easly translate them in your native language.

Fascia 1

    Real Madrid
    Bayern Monaco
    Juventus
    PSG
    Liverpool
    Zenit San Pietroburgo
    Siviglia (vincitrice EL)
    Porto

Fascia 2

    Atletico Madrid
    Barcellona
    Manchester City
    Manchester United
    Borussia Dortmund
    Chelsea
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    x

Fascia 3

    Lipsia
    Lazio
    Inter
    Atalanta
    x
    x
    x
    x

Fascia 4

    Basakeshir
    Rennes
    x
    x
    x
    x
    x
    x

Source: https://www.calcioefinanza.it/2020/08/27/fasce-gironi-champions-2020-2021-atalanta/

The roaster of teams will be fulfilled in the 30th of September

The draw will be done on 1st October. if nothing else will happen.

Nice, thanks for that.

We pot 1

We move for the CL again this season. I want Atleti to get our revenge.

[kassex]

I think the last season was an exception. Messi is no longer the outstanding player he once was. He still has great moments but he is no longer the great playmaker. The team is built for him. I think that is the problem. There were also problems last year. With a new start without Messi and with the new coach, Barcelona will stabilize and in two three years they will play for the CL win again. Until then I don't think they have a chance.

Without Messi and with a team where a lot of the current players are told to leave the club, I don't see them in a good spot for the upcoming years. Two or three years until they are competitive again in the Champions League? What if the officials at Barcelona don't have that much patience and are trying to force success with more expensive transfers? And what if these transfers flop like Coutinho, Dembele or Griezmann?! Barcas financial situation is already not the best and if they mess up this fresh start, Barcas could lose its shine over the next years.

If Messi leaves, more players are going to leave Barcelona thats for sure.
However, it is not necessarily bad. It is going to help build a new team and evolve the strategies and plays that the team had and all was Messi-centric. It is time for Barcelona to radically change.

Many Barcelona players are not the same as they were before. They can still sometimes give perfect matches, but this will be rare. So I think their departure is even better for Barcelona. The most important thing is to give the coach at least three years. Then maybe we will see the result.

[masulum]

Many Barcelona players are not the same as they were before. They can still sometimes give perfect matches, but this will be rare. So I think their departure is even better for Barcelona. The most important thing is to give the coach at least three years. Then maybe we will see the result.

Klubs who have good financial will not wait 3 years to improve the condition of the team, especially for the Champions League title. They want to keep fighting for winning every matches, so it's impossible for them to keep a coach who has failed in one season. Anda sometimes unrealistic targets shown by the club owners or official make them hard to build up their team. They prioritize the power of money to recruit any coach they like than club development.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Many Barcelona players are not the same as they were before. They can still sometimes give perfect matches, but this will be rare. So I think their departure is even better for Barcelona. The most important thing is to give the coach at least three years. Then maybe we will see the result.

Barca need a complete squad overhaul, many of their best performing (in recent years) players are past their best. It won’t be done in one transfer window but they will build a squad to be competitive again.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Many Barcelona players are not the same as they were before. They can still sometimes give perfect matches, but this will be rare. So I think their departure is even better for Barcelona. The most important thing is to give the coach at least three years. Then maybe we will see the result.

Klubs who have good financial will not wait 3 years to improve the condition of the team, especially for the Champions League title. They want to keep fighting for winning every matches, so it's impossible for them to keep a coach who has failed in one season. Anda sometimes unrealistic targets shown by the club owners or official make them hard to build up their team. They prioritize the power of money to recruit any coach they like than club development.

If that happens and Messi leaves Barcelona, something terrible is waiting for Barcelona in the next few years. I have heard rumors that Suarez will leave Barcelona too. we don't know who Barcelona will choose to replace Messi and Suarez. but no matter who will come, they will not be able to go in form like Messi nor Suarez. What about Barcelona's defending lineup? just look the Bayern vs Barcelona UCL's match, this is the worst defending lineup of Barcelona I have ever seen. if Barcelona’s team management want something good for the club, they have to rearrange the whole team, it will take much time.

[DeathAngel]

I’ve been reading that Barcelona think they have a solid case that if Messi leaves his release cause of €700,000,000 must be paid. Messi thinks he can leave on a free transfer. Expect this saga to rumble on, it’s not looking pretty.

[coinlocket$]

We pot 1

We move for the CL again this season. I want Atleti to get our revenge.

Just for your info.
They changed the rules last year for 3 years.

In Pot 1 we will have the national league winners plus the winner from the EL.
In the rest of the Pots, we will find the others team based on previous results in the last years in Europe.

[-CryptoViking-]

Pot 1: Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Sevilla, PSG, Juventus, FC Porto, Zenit St Petersburg
Pot 2: Barcelona, Manchester United, Borussia Dortmund, Manchester City, Atletico Madrid, Shakhtar Donetsk, Chelsea, (Benfica or Ajax)
Pot 3: RB Leipzig, Inter Milan, Lazio. (this team can join this pot if they qualified: Dynamo Kiev, FC Salzburg, Olympiakos and Celtic)
Pot 4: Stade Rennes, Istanbul Basaksehir (this team can join this pot if they qualified: Atalanta, Lokomotiv Moscow, Marseille, Club Brugge and Borussia Monchengladbach)

I think the champion of Portugal and Russia should be in Pot 2.
uefa should consider the league coefficient of each contestant.

source: https://www.thescore.com/esp_fed/news/2007217

Well this article is quite bad and already wrong and outdated. There are a lot more clubs that fighting to get into Champions league that have good chances not mentioned here and some are out of it already as they lost heir quali matches.

Russia pot 2? Based on what? Their league is not strong enough to get that position.

[LTU_btc]

Russia pot 2? Based on what? Their league is not strong enough to get that position.

Well, champions of Russia and Portugal are in 1st pot not without a reason. It's determined by UEFA country coefficients. Russia and Portugal have good ranking and it goes instantly after TOP 5 leagues (EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1).
BTW, today draw of 3rd qualifying round was made. There will be some decent games like PAOK - Benfica or Dynamo Kyiv - AZ Alkmar:
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0260-10312e3b1b29-c5ac83541e98-1000--third-qualifying-round-draw/

[-CryptoViking-]

Well, champions of Russia and Portugal are in 1st pot not without a reason. It's determined by UEFA country coefficients. Russia and Portugal have good ranking and it goes instantly after TOP 5 leagues (EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1).
BTW, today draw of 3rd qualifying round was made. There will be some decent games like PAOK - Benfica or Dynamo Kyiv - AZ Alkmar:
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0260-10312e3b1b29-c5ac83541e98-1000--third-qualifying-round-draw/

I look like a total jackass now, but it's my own fault. I'm was really surprised when I saw you saying they are in pot 1 already. Even a bit upset lol

Then I came back to my senses...remembered CSKA results years back and then how much money is there in he league too and they always have a club in late stages of Europa league at least. This was my brain fart, previous post, when I'm looking at it now I can't believe I thought that and then wrote it...

About the upcoming matches I hope there will be some upsets and that Dinamo ZG won't be among those, but it is not looking good for my team.

[masulum]

Barca need a complete squad overhaul, many of their best performing (in recent years) players are past their best. It won’t be done in one transfer window but they will build a squad to be competitive again.

Yeah, it will need a time, but lets see what happens in barca last season, buying talented players because they have a money, success to buy but the players can play as barca style. Of course they will develop it but it will not instantly get the players as they think.

-snip-
if Barcelona’s team management want something good for the club, they have to rearrange the whole team, it will take much time.

Exactly, UCL Next season will be hard for Barcelona. They need to rebuild their team. Koeman have a lot of task must be done in the first year as Barca coach, if he failed, he will be fired.

[kawetsriyanto]

~buying talented players because they have a money, success to buy but the players can play as barca style. Of course they will develop it but it will not instantly get the players as they think.

You are right. They can buy top players in the transfer season, but there is no guarantee that the players can play their best instantly. We have seen many players who have difficulties playing their best in the Barcelona team. Griezmann and Coutinho are two examples of top players who have difficulties to play at their best performance in Barcelona. Koeman really has a hard job for the next season.

[MCobian]

~buying talented players because they have a money, success to buy but the players can play as barca style. Of course they will develop it but it will not instantly get the players as they think.

You are right. They can buy top players in the transfer season, but there is no guarantee that the players can play their best instantly. We have seen many players who have difficulties playing their best in the Barcelona team. Griezmann and Coutinho are two examples of top players who have difficulties to play at their best performance in Barcelona. Koeman really has a hard job for the next season.

I also agree that it is not easy for the new Barcelona coach to make improvements to the game in a team as big as Barcelona,
especially Barcelona's appearance in the Champions League in 2019/2020 is arguably quite bad. But if you look at Koeman's
experience, Barcelona should be able to become Europa's best team again. Although it is not enough to just rely on purchasing
top players, because the adaptation of each player is different. Here it takes the role of a coach to implement the right strategy.

[kassex]

Many Barcelona players are not the same as they were before. They can still sometimes give perfect matches, but this will be rare. So I think their departure is even better for Barcelona. The most important thing is to give the coach at least three years. Then maybe we will see the result.

Klubs who have good financial will not wait 3 years to improve the condition of the team, especially for the Champions League title. They want to keep fighting for winning every matches, so it's impossible for them to keep a coach who has failed in one season. Anda sometimes unrealistic targets shown by the club owners or official make them hard to build up their team. They prioritize the power of money to recruit any coach they like than club development.

Financially rich clubs can win the Champions League once with money and that's it. Building a team that can dominate for several years requires not only finances, but also a smart coach and manager.You also need to pay attention to the philosophy of the club and select coaches and players for this philosophy.

[masulum]

Financially rich clubs can win the Champions League once with money and that's it. Building a team that can dominate for several years requires not only finances, but also a smart coach and manager.You also need to pay attention to the philosophy of the club and select coaches and players for this philosophy.

Yes, they need several years to build a good team with solid team work. But, see what happen with several clubs in EPL, Serie-A, La Liga most of richest clubs there mostly want to have a a solid team instantly. When the coach fail to bring a trophy, they are sacked. Or, after they are fail to bring another trophy, they are also very easy to get sacked by clubs owner. They must learn to Manchester United in Ferguson era, when he can't bring a trophy, MU still believe in his capability as their coach. When he found a good formula for their team, MU can be a EPL or UEFA Champions winner.

[babo]

I’ve been reading that Barcelona think they have a solid case that if Messi leaves his release cause of €700,000,000 must be paid. Messi thinks he can leave on a free transfer. Expect this saga to rumble on, it’s not looking pretty.

I would not speak of saga but of drama.. these disputes are childish and just make me laugh so much.
To me, as a fan, it doesn't matter if they fight, I want to see the show! This childish fight isnt good.
We hope they will free Messi rather, it makes no sense to keep him against will..