⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

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The lack of chemistry I think is because they haven't had that much serious games to play at,in the Ligue 1 they are the absolute winners and in Champions League things start to heat up right this February where I think we will see the true PSG,can't wait for that to happen and I am going to bet little money on them to win the Champions at near 10 of an odd.

PSG will face a strong and experienced team in the round sixteen of ucl. Of course I want Madrid to win because I'm a fan of them. But if I look objectively I keep betting for Madrid's victory. Maybe I could be wrong but my instincts say that. PSG are a great team they have a lot of good players, but they haven't come together yet. They're trying to make history that's still hard to do. They've just become a big team and they still lack experience as a team. I think they still need a long process.

It's difficult when there are many good players in a team, sometimes they are not solid, it means that there is still a lot of selfishness among those who want to play alone, but if PSG can do this solidly, then of course they will become a formidable European team more than Real Madrid before.
Imagine if PSG didn't make it to the last 16, would the plan in the champions league fail with lots of buying good players like Messi and other players?
So this is a fixed price for PSG to conquer Madrid who are on fire.

[bering]

In order to win the CL trophy, two things need to happen.
Firstly, every player in the team has to perform in every game.
Secondly, they will also need a bit of luck
as the trophy can be lost within a matter of 90 minutes and only that team wins whoever plays well in that specific 90 minutes. Also PSG this season have been an unstable team with injuries, off-forms, and whatnot. In fact, the front trio still haven't figured out their chemistry.

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

[Jackl87]

These two teams are regular, very strong. But the Manchester United and PSG teams are strong enough though irregular. The PSG team has a lot of star players. Although their performance is irregular, they are not weak. Their main weakness is their match-strategy. If Zidane takes over as PSG coach, the PSG team will become stronger.

Really Zidane would be a great asset for PSG. But I have some doubts that he will accept to join the project in the middle of the season.

What makes Man City and Bayern, is the consistency they have. They have almost the same players for 2 or 3 years, with no major changes in the squad. This helps players get to know each other well, and in turn have incredible regularity.

It's definitely true that Zidane would probably be a good option for Paris as he is a frenchman and already won some big titles. That being said, i am still not so sure yet if Zidane is really that great of a coach. Yes he was extremely successful with Real Madrid but at that time Real still had Cristiano Ronaldo at his best age and i would guess that back then Zidane did not have much coaching to do in terms of tactics and stuff but he only needed to keep his stars happy. I think other coaches like Pep Guardiola or Thomas Tuchel for example have already proven that they can make any team better by introducing new tactics and formations and stuff. Zidane still has to prove that.

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I would say it did shake them up a bit. They are not suddenly a bad team, they still have the offense very well and they are doing fine but I would not say that they weren't shaken even a slight bit. In the end they are such a great offensive team that most teams do not end up attacking all that much, if you play offensive against them then you would be getting scored a lot and that is a risk most teams do not take against them.

Sevilla for example has like 5 goals less scored on them, even Barcelona which we have seen as a "bad" team this year got only 5 goals more scored on them. So I am assuming that they are not doing as well as they hoped for. Champions league however is a different area and Real Madrid is a team that knows this all too well. They won it more than any other team and they are just a great tournament team that ends up winning when it's elimination game.

If it was at the end of the season, It would be much easier to put up the defensive stats in games the Varane and Ramos played vs this season when they were away to get a clear picture.

The positive things that I recall Ramos brought in were team leadership and being a record goal scoring defender. But he would also often get booked, sent off sometimes. Real Madrid would also rarely get clean sheets.

Sergio Ramos is more than just a defender. I can say that he is a legend for Real Madrid. Even after He retires football, I can say for sure that the legend card will appear in the fifa ultimate team. Every team would like to have such a defender. A huge advantage for psg is to have it.

[hahay]

In order to win the CL trophy, two things need to happen.
Firstly, every player in the team has to perform in every game.
Secondly, they will also need a bit of luck
as the trophy can be lost within a matter of 90 minutes and only that team wins whoever plays well in that specific 90 minutes. Also PSG this season have been an unstable team with injuries, off-forms, and whatnot. In fact, the front trio still haven't figured out their chemistry.

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

Maybe relying too much on individuals keeps them from developing further, it's like competition between players that makes the game less solid. Although indeed, individual skills are needed but it will be better when they can play with teamwork, because football is not only about a few players but about the whole including a coach who can increase the morale of players. At least it's proven when Tuchel was still PSG coach, a great coach can take his team to the final even though they lose but at least a great coach can give the best for the team even though their squad is not all star players.

[KTChampions]

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

At the moment, three of the most expensive players in the world are playing in PSG - Neymar, Mbappe + Messi (in the past, but nonetheless). Thank god money isn't everything in football and PSG still haven't been able to win the Champions League, I always cheer against them in this competition (plus against City)  That's why I love football - you can't buy the most expensive players and win everything you want. Very often there will be more simple but evil and motivated clubs that will be stronger.

[babo]

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

At the moment, three of the most expensive players in the world are playing in PSG - Neymar, Mbappe + Messi (in the past, but nonetheless). Thank god money isn't everything in football and PSG still haven't been able to win the Champions League, I always cheer against them in this competition (plus against City)  That's why I love football - you can't buy the most expensive players and win everything you want. Very often there will be more simple but evil and motivated clubs that will be stronger.

all this money
I'm a little bit against all this money
such high expenses caused the teams to collapse, one of the reasons they tried to create the super league
we should go back to more humane and not so high salaries

[Oneandpure]

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

At the moment, three of the most expensive players in the world are playing in PSG - Neymar, Mbappe + Messi (in the past, but nonetheless). Thank god money isn't everything in football and PSG still haven't been able to win the Champions League, I always cheer against them in this competition (plus against City)  That's why I love football - you can't buy the most expensive players and win everything you want. Very often there will be more simple but evil and motivated clubs that will be stronger.

Event have much money you can buy what player do you want almost have crazy value, first when PSG success got Neymar from Barcelona with fantastic record transfer and later get Mbappe from Monaco have crazy value transfer. Now they have get Lionel Messi as many collector Ballon D'or and success get Ramos from Real Madrid as free transfer beside PSG get Donnarumma as best goal keeper on EURO 2020. I think its still not enough how to make PSG can get first champion league trophy because the crazy why get many star player only try how to be champion league winner.

[babo]

Event have much money you can buy what player do you want almost have crazy value, first when PSG success got Neymar from Barcelona with fantastic record transfer and later get Mbappe from Monaco have crazy value transfer. Now they have get Lionel Messi as many collector Ballon D'or and success get Ramos from Real Madrid as free transfer beside PSG get Donnarumma as best goal keeper on EURO 2020. I think its still not enough how to make PSG can get first champion league trophy because the crazy why get many star player only try how to be champion league winner.

yes, but to win you don't need a team of champions
I'll explain
if you have a lot of champions, well, but you also have to be able to make them play together, and this is not easy
moreover, all this money is an insult to the world
it is no coincidence that most of the teams are heavily indebted
I don't like the way PSG is doing

it is the complete opposite of Atalanta's philosophy for example
without spending these crazy figures, she arrived STRONG in the Champions League

[tulusikhlas]

From season to season actually PSG have good players to be the winner of this competition so before Messi and Ramos arrived they have good players to compete with other big teams and it showing to their latest achievement that they can able go to final match on 2020 and last season went to semifinal but for me the problem why PSG didn't get champion trophy until this season not because the players and it more likely they don't have good mentality to be the winner

At the moment, three of the most expensive players in the world are playing in PSG - Neymar, Mbappe + Messi (in the past, but nonetheless). Thank god money isn't everything in football and PSG still haven't been able to win the Champions League, I always cheer against them in this competition (plus against City)  That's why I love football - you can't buy the most expensive players and win everything you want. Very often there will be more simple but evil and motivated clubs that will be stronger.

Having money does not mean you will have many titles. PSG from season to season have never been absent from the names of the stars, in fact they almost never had trouble signing top players, for example Lionel Messi and Sergio Ramos. But to be able to compete for the title, they are a little difficult for it.
In my opinion, when a team has a lot of big names, it becomes a problem for the team. Because usually, they will also compete with each other (selfish).

[joker_josue]

if you have a lot of champions, well, but you also have to be able to make them play together, and this is not easy

This is perhaps the most important aspect. Getting all the great players on the squad to play well as a group.

Doing this is not always easy, it takes a coach (who most of the time has a much lower salary than the players) to be able to unite the group, in order to obtain a good performance from these excellent players.

Finding such a trainer is not always easy. There are few, and usually the best are already in big clubs.

[Jasad]

Paris saint Germans Haven't been more of a consistent team this season, we have seen that several occasions in the Ligue.
How did the arrival of Messi and Ramos improve the team ? I find the incorrect,null and invalid.
They haven't done much, likewise the arrival of Pochetino, Thomas Tuchel seems to be much of a better coach than he's been for the Ligue 1 champions.

psg has become king in their own league, by having great star players and having expensive players, but all of that is not affected at all in the european league, even though psg is surrounded by star players, but they are very difficult to play in the champions league, if this year psg can't get the champion title, maybe they will sell messi to another club.

[poldanmig]

Paris saint Germans Haven't been more of a consistent team this season, we have seen that several occasions in the Ligue.
How did the arrival of Messi and Ramos improve the team ? I find the incorrect,null and invalid.
They haven't done much, likewise the arrival of Pochetino, Thomas Tuchel seems to be much of a better coach than he's been for the Ligue 1 champions.

psg has become king in their own league, by having great star players and having expensive players, but all of that is not affected at all in the european league, even though psg is surrounded by star players, but they are very difficult to play in the champions league, if this year psg can't get the champion title, maybe they will sell messi to another club.

To only dominate ligue 1 of course PSG don't need Messi all this time, because even before messi arrival PSG had become a dominating club in the League, PSG desire to win their first champions league trophy this season, made PSG collect many star players in their squad and I think the experience of these players will certainly provide many advantages for PSG to try to become champions, I think if this season PSG also failed to win the champions trophy, it would be very painful in my opinion.

[KTChampions]

At the moment, three of the most expensive players in the world are playing in PSG - Neymar, Mbappe + Messi (in the past, but nonetheless). Thank god money isn't everything in football and PSG still haven't been able to win the Champions League, I always cheer against them in this competition (plus against City)  That's why I love football - you can't buy the most expensive players and win everything you want. Very often there will be more simple but evil and motivated clubs that will be stronger.

all this money
I'm a little bit against all this money
such high expenses caused the teams to collapse, one of the reasons they tried to create the super league
we should go back to more humane and not so high salaries

What leads to the collapse of the teams is that the clubs earn money, and the corrupt officials of FIFA and UEFA distribute it. The creation of the Superleague would solve this problem. Football has long needed to be a normal business like the NHL, by the way, wage caps and other principles that help clubs remain profitable work great there.

[mamesso]

To only dominate ligue 1 of course PSG don't need Messi all this time, because even before messi arrival PSG had become a dominating club in the League, PSG desire to win their first champions league trophy this season, made PSG collect many star players in their squad and I think the experience of these players will certainly provide many advantages for PSG to try to become champions, I think if this season PSG also failed to win the champions trophy, it would be very painful in my opinion.

Winning the Champions League is PSG big mission. Buying a champion subscription player and having experience playing at the highest level, it is clear that PSG is very ambitious to make new history in the Champions League. Donnarumma, Achraf Hakimi, Georginio Wijnaldum, Ramos and Messi were successfully brought in by PSG to strengthen their team.
PSG has opened a new chapter of becoming one of the best teams of all time, now they have the trio of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe and are backed by another star player in midfield, defender and goalkeeper. Having star players on all fronts, Winning the Champions League is no longer a dream that PSG can't get.

[joker_josue]

Winning the Champions League is PSG big mission. Buying a champion subscription player and having experience playing at the highest level, it is clear that PSG is very ambitious to make new history in the Champions League. Donnarumma, Achraf Hakimi, Georginio Wijnaldum, Ramos and Messi were successfully brought in by PSG to strengthen their team.
PSG has opened a new chapter of becoming one of the best teams of all time, now they have the trio of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe and are backed by another star player in midfield, defender and goalkeeper. Having star players on all fronts, Winning the Champions League is no longer a dream that PSG can't get.

The only problem for the PSG team is to get these players to perform at their best, to play together. I think that's what they haven't been able to do yet.

This season, they are a little better in that sense, in terms of group bonding. But even so, I think this year they won't be able to win.

[Minor Miner]

To only dominate ligue 1 of course PSG don't need Messi all this time, because even before messi arrival PSG had become a dominating club in the League, PSG desire to win their first champions league trophy this season, made PSG collect many star players in their squad and I think the experience of these players will certainly provide many advantages for PSG to try to become champions, I think if this season PSG also failed to win the champions trophy, it would be very painful in my opinion.

Winning the Champions League is PSG big mission. Buying a champion subscription player and having experience playing at the highest level, it is clear that PSG is very ambitious to make new history in the Champions League. Donnarumma, Achraf Hakimi, Georginio Wijnaldum, Ramos and Messi were successfully brought in by PSG to strengthen their team.
PSG has opened a new chapter of becoming one of the best teams of all time, now they have the trio of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe and are backed by another star player in midfield, defender and goalkeeper. Having star players on all fronts, Winning the Champions League is no longer a dream that PSG can't get.

PSG were always the best team in France. What they were lacking was the recognition of being the best in Europe - which comes by winning the Champions League. We can say by their transfers that they want to win the Champions League so bad. Buying Messi, Ramos, Wijnaldum or Donarumma. Specially buying Messi.
But it will be quite hard for them as their front trio are still does not having the chemistry needed in order for them to win.

[Jackl87]

PSG were always the best team in France. What they were lacking was the recognition of being the best in Europe - which comes by winning the Champions League. We can say by their transfers that they want to win the Champions League so bad. Buying Messi, Ramos, Wijnaldum or Donarumma. Specially buying Messi.
But it will be quite hard for them as their front trio are still does not having the chemistry needed in order for them to win.

I don't follow the french league 1 that closely but i am pretty sure that PSG was not always the best team in France. I remember quite well in the early 2000's that Olympique Lyon was the strongest team in France and they even managed to reach the quarterfinals and i think even once the semi-finals of the champions league. That were the times where they still had Juninho in their squad. Paris became strong once the sheikh decided to aquire PSG and pump a lot of money into it. They are just another toy-club of a super rich guy. Since then they won the french league almost every year, but before that there were by far not the strongest team of the league.

[joker_josue]

I don't follow the french league 1 that closely but i am pretty sure that PSG was not always the best team in France. I remember quite well in the early 2000's that Olympique Lyon was the strongest team in France and they even managed to reach the quarterfinals and i think even once the semi-finals of the champions league. That were the times where they still had Juninho in their squad.

And I remember in the 2010s Monaco had excellent results, in France and in Europe.

Now, if they say that PSG has always been the richest club in France, there is no doubt about that. In fact, they are big today, because of the money, and not because of the training they have or in the hiring of young people who become great players. It's just about the money.

[Distraction]

PSG were always the best team in France. What they were lacking was the recognition of being the best in Europe - which comes by winning the Champions League. We can say by their transfers that they want to win the Champions League so bad. Buying Messi, Ramos, Wijnaldum or Donarumma. Specially buying Messi.
But it will be quite hard for them as their front trio are still does not having the chemistry needed in order for them to win.

I can't agree with you on this. PSG weren't always the best in the Ligue 1. For example, PSG didn't become the champions in the league from the 1994-95 season to the 2011-12 season. We all know how PSG reached this level in the end. They were bought by rich people and we saw a revolution in the team. They strengthened their squad a lot already in their first season. And they continued like that until now. Now, we see them among the biggest clubs in the world.