Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[onrise]

Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

Cricket would not suffer due to the board issue and people would be able to enjoy the match between Ban vs India . Also Bangladesh would have to play their best cricket in order to come close or India or beat them in coming matches .

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[ene1980]

Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

So the strike was regarding the pay structure and the cricket board accepted the players demands . What are these 11 demands by the players apart from increase in the payment, really Bangladesh is the 4 th richest cricket board  , first will be India i guess as they control most of the things for a long time and then England and Australia could be in the list if i am not wrong. 

[Haunebu]

Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

Good to hear. Anyway, I am expecting India to decimate Bangladesh and we might witness another whitewash since the current Bangladesh lineup are not in good form except for certain players like Shakib etc.

Also Bangladesh would have to play their best cricket in order to come close or India or beat them in coming matches .

Beat them? Seriously? What makes you think that Bangladesh stand a chance against a team like India who are rampaging at the moment? Its basically India vs the World at this point and I am expecting another whitewash here.

[JSRAW]

Those in favor would argue that if any venue in India is not able to attract the crowd for Test Match then " Rotation policy of venue" it sound illogical. Virat's concern was only regarding Test format and he's right when he make case for " Empty Stadium". All venue i mentioned attracts crowd in the Test Cricket, i might have missed couple of venues tho.

T-20 and ODI are not problem in India, historically shorter format always attracts crowd anywhere in India. So it should be same in Darjeeling, Gangtok, Imphal etc if any games are schedule there in future.

Test crowd numbers are going down, even in grounds such as Eden gardens, Wankhede and Kotla. The cricket fans are rapidly shifting to the T20 format at a rapid pace. And does it really makes a difference if the attendance is 10,000 instead of 40,000? Because nowadays, most of the revenue comes from the TV rights and not from the gate collection.

Numbers are going down but i have seen thousands of spectators in Kotla ground even for Domestic matches so its not rocket science to attract crowd for International games. Historically Eden gardens and Wankhede attracts crowd for Test Match (Hope we are going to witness good crowd for IND vs BAN). I believe attendance of 10k makes a big difference. if each day 10k people attending the game then total amount of spectators are 50K for 5 days game. BCCI should work on how to increase 10 k mark to 20K and so on.

I agree with you that most of the revenue comes from the TV right but we can't deny that Empty stadium looks bad during the international game.

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Maybe like promoting certain Test tour with status just like Ashes does the trick. You know how good the Ashes crowd looks, wished we had the same in here. I think choosing particular venue where decent crowd comes is ok but they should target to increase that figures as well.

Agree, In England and Australia they have fixed ground for Test Matches.

 

[Little Mouse]

Ban vs Ind series was at risk for a while but good news is that board has been agreed to fulfill all the 11 demands of the cricketers and have promised to ensure better environment for them. Now players are back. It's very unusual that they were being paid lower amount despite being 4th richest cricket board. Anyway, good to see the problem is solved.

So the strike was regarding the pay structure and the cricket board accepted the players demands . What are these 11 demands by the players apart from increase in the payment, really Bangladesh is the 4 th richest cricket board  , first will be India i guess as they control most of the things for a long time and then England and Australia could be in the list if i am not wrong.  

It's not only about pay structure, there are some more, which have been attached below. I have heard in a news that Bangladesh is the 4th richest cricket board although it's being shown as 5th here- https://sportycious.com/richest-cricket-boards-world-91423

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[7788bitcoin]

I think this would be more of a test for Pakistan as they are just coming after losing T20s against Sri Lanka at their home ground and now immediately they will be facing Australia who are considered a good team atleast at their own fortress.

T20 is a young mans game, you need to be athletic in the field and one over could change the match, Sri Lanka came with a young team and cleaned the T20 series but Pakistan dominated in the other formats but touring Australia is a hard battle even with an experienced Pakistan side and if they can put up some good performance no one will blame a young side even if they are defeated.

[Sithara007]

I agree with you that most of the revenue comes from the TV right but we can't deny that Empty stadium looks bad during the international game.

If I am not wrong, the cheapest tickets for one day of international test match is placed at around $10. This may look very insignificant to those living in the Western nations. But for the vast majority of the Indians, this amount is more than their daily wages. So if they reduce the ticket prices to somewhere around $2, then they'll be able to attract much larger crowds.

There is a lot of interest for cricket in India, and I have seen crowd numbering thousands even for Ranji Trophy matches. If we have empty stadiums during international matches, then the only reason is the high ticket prices. I have heard that in Pakistan and Sri Lanka, the lowest tier of the tickets are priced at $2-3. The BCCI can also follow their example.

[ene1980]

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It's not only about pay structure, there are some more, which have been attached below. I have heard in a news that Bangladesh is the 4th richest cricket board although it's being shown as 5th here- https://sportycious.com/richest-cricket-boards-world-91423

These are not small demands , striking for the welfare committee to resign is not a small demand and they accepted it  , not sure whether they were so corrupted to force them to resign. The restriction for players to play than two franchise league was unwarranted and those freedom should be in the hands of the player and then the rest are regarding pay structure and timely payment which are fair.

[Juggy777]

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It's not only about pay structure, there are some more, which have been attached below. I have heard in a news that Bangladesh is the 4th richest cricket board although it's being shown as 5th here- https://sportycious.com/richest-cricket-boards-world-91423

These are not small demands , striking for the welfare committee to resign is not a small demand and they accepted it  , not sure whether they were so corrupted to force them to resign. The restriction for players to play than two franchise league was unwarranted and those freedom should be in the hands of the player and then the rest are regarding pay structure and timely payment which are fair.

@ene1980 it’s obvious that the welfare committee is corrupted, otherwise the players wouldn’t have taken such a steep step against them. As for their other demands I feel those are reasonable, and I’m glad those are now approved as no cricketer should be forced to play against his will.

[bryant.coleman]

@ene1980 it’s obvious that the welfare committee is corrupted, otherwise the players wouldn’t have taken such a steep step against them. As for their other demands I feel those are reasonable, and I’m glad those are now approved as no cricketer should be forced to play against his will.

I don't have much information about the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB). Can someone tell me whether this board is run by former international cricketers, or by powerful people (such as businessmen and politicians, similar to what they have in India). In case it is being run by people having hardly any interest in cricket, then the ICC should step in here.

Whatever be the reasons, the players needs to make sure that the quality of their game doesn't deteriorate. This is what happened in Zimbabwe. The team was performing quite well until the first player strike. Some of the tours were cancelled and players got suspended. But then a deal was reached. But players continued to quit the national side and gradually the quality declined in an irreparable manner. And look at the state of Zimbabwe cricket team now. So the Bangladeshi players should be careful here.

[ene1980]

@ene1980 it’s obvious that the welfare committee is corrupted, otherwise the players wouldn’t have taken such a steep step against them. As for their other demands I feel those are reasonable, and I’m glad those are now approved as no cricketer should be forced to play against his will.

Even if the welfare committee is corrupted does the players have the authority to conduct a strike to move them, not heard any sports team conducting a strike like this to remove a committee in football, cricket or any other sport that i remember in recent history, if the Bangladesh players are able to change these concepts and make a change it is great.

[Little Mouse]

@ene1980 it’s obvious that the welfare committee is corrupted, otherwise the players wouldn’t have taken such a steep step against them. As for their other demands I feel those are reasonable, and I’m glad those are now approved as no cricketer should be forced to play against his will.

Even if the welfare committee is corrupted does the players have the authority to conduct a strike to move them, not heard any sports team conducting a strike like this to remove a committee in football, cricket or any other sport that i remember in recent history, if the Bangladesh players are able to change these concepts and make a change it is great.

For whom the welfare committee is? Of course for the player. CWAB used to disrespect a lot of things which we had heard back in the day. Our current players movement is for ensuring better environment for cricket, you can't ensure better environment with corrupted people, a change is certainly needed and probably all the former player will be controlling the CWAB, it would be good.

A lot of political shit is going on right now in our country, it was an extra pressure for the government since you know cricket is the most favorite for most Bangladeshi.

[7788bitcoin]

Beat them? Seriously? What makes you think that Bangladesh stand a chance against a team lie India who are rampaging at the moment? Its basically India vs the World at this point and I am expecting another whitewash here.

I agree with this statement and no one is able to defeat India in their home country, the only challenge i see is India touring England, Australia and New Zealand and then we will have a battle, Bangladesh have zero chance to win a match as Afghanistan recently defeated them and i lost some amount betting for Bangladesh and hence in the current form there is no way i am betting for Bangladesh to win, i am expecting a one sided trashing.

[Sithara007]

I agree with this statement and no is able to defeat India in their home country, the only challenge i see is India touring England, Australia and New Zealand and then we will have a battle, Bangladesh have zero chance to win a match as Afghanistan recently defeated them and i lost some amount betting for Bangladesh and hence in the current form there is no way i am betting for Bangladesh to win, i am expecting a one sided trashing.

Bangladesh is recently facing a lot of player dissent and their performance during the past few matches were substandard. They lost a test match against Afghanistan on a pitch that was doctored to aid their spinners. I don't think that a team that has lost to Afghanistan at home is capable of challenging India, either in India, or in any other location.

Unfortunately, the same can be said about many of the other test sides, such as Sri Lanka, South Africa, West Indies and Pakistan. Their standards have gone down during the past few years and the gap between them and the big three sides (India, England and Australia) have widened. Only New Zealand is performing well among the teams outside the big three.

[7788bitcoin]

Bangladesh is recently facing a lot of player dissent and their performance during the past few matches were substandard. They lost a test match against Afghanistan on a pitch that was doctored to aid their spinners. I don't think that a team that has lost to Afghanistan at home is capable of challenging India, either in India, or in any other location.

I seriously think that the plan by the Bangladesh cricket board backfired as the pitch was made to help the Bangladesh spinners but they forgot the fact that Afghanistan had a world class spinner in Rashid Khan and Afghanistan won the toss which was another factor for the defeat as Rahmat Shah as usual continued his form and scored runs while Rashid Khan paved the way to the way victory.

[bryant.coleman]

Bangladesh is recently facing a lot of player dissent and their performance during the past few matches were substandard. They lost a test match against Afghanistan on a pitch that was doctored to aid their spinners. I don't think that a team that has lost to Afghanistan at home is capable of challenging India, either in India, or in any other location.

I seriously think that the plan by the Bangladesh cricket board backfired as the pitch was made to help the Bangladesh spinners but they forgot the fact that Afghanistan had a world class spinner in Rashid Khan and Afghanistan won the toss which was another factor for the defeat as Rahmat Shah as usual continued his form and scored runs while Rashid Khan paved the way to the way victory.

I can understand if they are preparing such a pitch against India or Australia. But do they think that they need dust-bowls to defeat a team like Afghanistan, and that too at home? If they think like that, then I have a feeling that ICC should do a rethink about their test status. Bangladesh was awarded test status almost two decades back. And to this date, they don't have a big achievement in this format to boast.

For comparison, Afghanistan has fared much better when compared to Bangladesh. When Bangladesh got the test status, Afghanistan wasn't even an associate member of the ICC. But now they are ranked no.7 in the T20 format, and ranked higher than Bangladesh in the other two formats. That means that the Afghans have done something right.

[barbara44]

I just read in cricinfo that India is going to play against rest of world for the fantasy cricket. I'm not sure about it like how much true is this because I am reading like the team of the rest of world is being chosen by the editors of cricinfo. Usually that is not the case because those editors are not the selectors for an ICC event. Still, I just want to know opinions from this community so that I may get more info regarding this.

If that is a real news like India is going to play against the rest of world a test cricket match means the chances for winning out while the just players like Steven Smith, Kane Williams and Jofra Archer would be really low even India is a king on their own soil.

[Avirunes]

I just read in cricinfo that India is going to play against rest of world for the fantasy cricket. I'm not sure about it like how much true is this because I am reading like the team of the rest of world is being chosen by the editors of cricinfo. Usually that is not the case because those editors are not the selectors for an ICC event. Still, I just want to know opinions from this community so that I may get more info regarding this.

If that is a real news like India is going to play against the rest of world a test cricket match means the chances for winning out while the just players like Steven Smith, Kane Williams and Jofra Archer would be really low even India is a king on their own soil.

Seems interesting. I mean the current Indian team is on the good form with so much good consistent players. It will be a thrilling contest to watch the best from the rest of the world and Indian team in a match.

Its just for fun so no problem even if cricinfo editors select the players I guess. I would say somewhere other than Indian ground would be good. I am kinda getting bored watching India's dominance on Indian pitches.

[Sithara007]

I am kinda getting bored watching India's dominance on Indian pitches.

You are getting bored because India is playing against weak teams such as South Africa, Sri Lanka and West Indies. Do you really think that they will be able to repeat the same performance against stronger sides such as Australia and England? This is why I have always supported two divisions in test cricket. India should not be playing against teams such as South Africa very often.

But then, we need to look at the grass roots as well. The population of India is around 1.35 billion and cricket remains as the no.1 sport here. On the other hand, teams such as New Zealand have very small population (4 million in case of NZ), and cricket is not the most popular sport there. So obviously you can expect a huge gap in terms of the standards.

[Avirunes]

You are getting bored because India is playing against weak teams such as South Africa, Sri Lanka and West Indies. Do you really think that they will be able to repeat the same performance against stronger sides such as Australia and England? This is why I have always supported two divisions in test cricket. India should not be playing against teams such as South Africa very often.

You are looking at it from one aspect. It is also a good for weaker teams from time to time to test themselves against a tougher side. That builds up and develops a site a lot IMO.

But then, we need to look at the grass roots as well. The population of India is around 1.35 billion and cricket remains as the no.1 sport here. On the other hand, teams such as New Zealand have very small population (4 million in case of NZ), and cricket is not the most popular sport there. So obviously you can expect a huge gap in terms of the standards.

True. But I am not taking about that in actual. Playing at home turf and abroad are very different situations. In one you are familiar about your pitches and you don't have to adjust your strategy much. But on abroad you hardly know a stuff about their pitches, a team needs to analyze it properly. The quicker they analyze it ,better it is for them.

I am suggesting that India should play a lot more matches abroad to make them familiar with abroad conditions. Right now they are playing out decent in pitches abroad. But won't be cool to watch them dominant in both home and abroad turfs? Watching whitewash just like the recent series in abroad  instead of home?