Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

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Australian management also feel that way since they brought in Labuschagne for Khwaja to play at his position and that went better.

Australia tried Bancroft with Warner to open....Marcus Harris and Warner and both didn't went quite well. I think Finch with Warner as opener would be good. They both have a good chemistry while opening in ODI's and I think wouldn't be a problem if the format is changed.

Australia was struggling to find a good opening pair and they were experimenting throughout the series and Warner was really struggling in form, he was performing well in the limited overs and Board has taken his wicket in almost all of the innings during the Ashes which is funny in a sense and he has not rectified his issue while facing him and until Australia fix their issue in finding a good bench strength like they had in the past it is a shame on their selection panel.

[bryant.coleman]

Australian management also feel that way since they brought in Labuschagne for Khwaja to play at his position and that went better.

Australia tried Bancroft with Warner to open....Marcus Harris and Warner and both didn't went quite well. I think Finch with Warner as opener would be good. They both have a good chemistry while opening in ODI's and I think wouldn't be a problem if the format is changed.

Australia was struggling to find a good opening pair and they were experimenting throughout the series and Warner was really struggling in form, he was performing well in the limited overs and Board has taken his wicket in almost all of the innings during the Ashes which is funny in a sense and he has not rectified his issue while facing him and until Australia fix their issue in finding a good bench strength like they had in the past it is a shame on their selection panel.

They tried several combinations, and all of them failed. Warner, Harris, Khawaja, Bancroft.etc were unable to perform on a consistent basis. IMO, they should drop all these four players and give chance to some young player. I don't remember the last time a teenager made international debut for Australia. Even Ricky Ponting was 20-years old when he made his test debut back in 1995. Their first class cricket is also aging, and the senior sides usually don't field any teenagers (on the other hand in India and England, you can find so many teenagers representing the domestic sides).

Warner is 32 years old and Khawaja is also of the same age. I don't see a point in offering them a slot in the playing XI, at the cost of some younger player. Warner is essentially a T20/ODI player and including him in the test side can be justified only when there is no other option. Usman Khawaja has failed consistently during the last few years and his bating average is not what you may expect from someone who has played 44 tests for Australia. There are talented players available in Australia such as Matt Renshaw, Will Pucovski and Ben McDermott and the selectors should give them a chance.

[JSRAW]

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They tried several combinations, and all of them failed. Warner, Harris, Khawaja, Bancroft.etc were unable to perform on a consistent basis. IMO, they should drop all these four players and give chance to some young player.  

They (Harris-27- and Bancroft-26-) looks pretty young to me, according to their Test career or if we go by the logic of age, Both are the product of Domestic cricket and performed well in the First Class. Age shouldn't matter much when selecting a team, but Merits Only and I agree that Cricket Boards should back the Young Guns if there are any. (Similar to Pritvi, Shubman, S.Curran,Matt Renshaw)

I don't remember the last time a teenager made international debut for Australia. Even Ricky Ponting was 20-years old when he made his test debut back in 1995. Their first class cricket is also aging, and the senior sides usually don't field any teenagers (on the other hand in India and England, you can find so many teenagers representing the domestic sides).

Guess you forgot Matt Renshaw. he was 20ish when he played his first Test Match for Australia.

Warner is 32 years old and Khawaja is also of the same age. I don't see a point in offering them a slot in the playing XI, at the cost of some younger player. Warner is essentially a T20/ODI player and including him in the test side can be justified only when there is no other option. Usman Khawaja has failed consistently during the last few years and his bating average is not what you may expect from someone who has played 44 tests for Australia.

With all due respect but you are half wrong and half right (Yes they are performing bad)

1. Warner average is 45ish in the test with 21 tons, even after performing bad. how many Test opener comes to your mind in recent time with this number?
2. Usman Khawaja average is 40ish in test and guess you forgot he made 750ish run in the last calendar year.

There are talented players available in Australia such as Matt Renshaw, Will Pucovski and Ben McDermott and the selectors should give them a chance.

Matt Renshaw is leading the list, but his recent performance in First Class is not good as Bancroft that's why Bancroft was the first choice for the Ashes.

Will Pucovski is very talented and promising young talent but still he doesn't have experience as an Opener even in the First Class Cricket and we are talking about International Games and Opening slot. CA can try him in Middle-order though but Wade's Century, M.Marsh's fifer deserve some chances too, Correct? And Paine is Test Captain.( that's pretty much Oz's Middle-order not even including no 3, 4 slot which is a fix for Smith /Marnus L)

Ben McDermott Same as above, plus not talented as Will Pucovski.

[Haunebu]

1. Warner average is 45ish in the test with 21 tons, even after performing bad. how many Test opener comes to your mind in recent time with this number?
2. Usman Khawaja average is 40ish in test and guess you forgot he made 750ish run in the last calendar year.

These are the exact reasons why I feel that retaining Warner was a smart choice despite his bad form lately. Whenever a player performs badly, the first thought that comes to anyone's mind is dropping him which is not a smart move.

Warner will be back, but Khawaja is a great 2nd choice. I don't think they need to experiment with anyone else currently. These 2 are great openers and they have proven that time and time again.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I don't remember the last time a teenager made international debut for Australia. Even Ricky Ponting was 20-years old when he made his test debut back in 1995. Their first class cricket is also aging, and the senior sides usually don't field any teenagers (on the other hand in India and England, you can find so many teenagers representing the domestic sides).

Guess you forgot Matt Renshaw. he was 20ish when he played his first Test Match for Australia.

It is very surprising that none of you remember Pat Cummins. He was 18 years and 193 days, when he made his debut against South Africa at Johannesburg in 2011. He made his first class debut for Tasmania at the age of 17. Normally Australian first class sides doesn't regularly feature teenagers, but Tasmania with its limited player pool sometimes give chances to younger players.

[Indymoney]

1. Warner average is 45ish in the test with 21 tons, even after performing bad. how many Test opener comes to your mind in recent time with this number?
2. Usman Khawaja average is 40ish in test and guess you forgot he made 750ish run in the last calendar year.

These are the exact reasons why I feel that retaining Warner was a smart choice despite his bad form lately. Whenever a player performs badly, the first thought that comes to anyone's mind is dropping him which is not a smart move.

Warner will be back, but Khawaja is a great 2nd choice. I don't think they need to experiment with anyone else currently. These 2 are great openers and they have proven that time and time again.

Warner is going to play against Pakistan its good decision by Australian Selectors because overall his record is very good against Pakistan and he can bring back his form as Pakistan is suffering some serious troubles in bowling after Aamir and Wahab and this is very good time for Warner to set his all averages.

[eaLiTy]

Warner is going to play against Pakistan its good decision by Australian Selectors because overall his record is very good against Pakistan and he can bring back his form as Pakistan is suffering some serious troubles in bowling after Aamir and Wahab and this is very good time for Warner to set his all averages.

When is that series starting and where it is hosted, if it is in Australia then Warner might regain his confidence and play a better game but if the series is scheduled in UAE then it will be really dry pitch which helps spinners a lot and if Warner is not able to perform in the next series then he will be playing his farewell innings in the longer format of the game. Who are the front line bowlers for Pakistan in Test matches.

[Indymoney]

Warner is going to play against Pakistan its good decision by Australian Selectors because overall his record is very good against Pakistan and he can bring back his form as Pakistan is suffering some serious troubles in bowling after Aamir and Wahab and this is very good time for Warner to set his all averages.

When is that series starting and where it is hosted, if it is in Australia then Warner might regain his confidence and play a better game but if the series is scheduled in UAE then it will be really dry pitch which helps spinners a lot and if Warner is not able to perform in the next series then he will be playing his farewell innings in the longer format of the game. Who are the front line bowlers for Pakistan in Test matches.

First test is going to played at Brisbane Nov 21-25 2019 before this Australia is going to play 3 twenty/20 series with Sri Lanka and Pakistan is also going to play against Sri Lanka in UAE.

[romero121]

1. Warner average is 45ish in the test with 21 tons, even after performing bad. how many Test opener comes to your mind in recent time with this number?
2. Usman Khawaja average is 40ish in test and guess you forgot he made 750ish run in the last calendar year.

These are the exact reasons why I feel that retaining Warner was a smart choice despite his bad form lately. Whenever a player performs badly, the first thought that comes to anyone's mind is dropping him which is not a smart move.

Warner will be back, but Khawaja is a great 2nd choice. I don't think they need to experiment with anyone else currently. These 2 are great openers and they have proven that time and time again.

Warner is going to play against Pakistan its good decision by Australian Selectors because overall his record is very good against Pakistan and he can bring back his form as Pakistan is suffering some serious troubles in bowling after Aamir and Wahab and this is very good time for Warner to set his all averages.

When Australia plays against any of the Asian country, surely Warner will be in the team. This is all because of the average he maintains and he gets to play good on this atmosphere better than other players. In Asian countries the support will be high for the home team and this will be disturbing the opponents much, but Warner will easily tackle such instances playing good cricket.

[bryant.coleman]

Warner is going to play against Pakistan its good decision by Australian Selectors because overall his record is very good against Pakistan and he can bring back his form as Pakistan is suffering some serious troubles in bowling after Aamir and Wahab and this is very good time for Warner to set his all averages.

Once again the selectors are moving in the wrong direction by selecting Warner. Pakistan is not a very tough opponent, and they could have rested Warner and give that extra slot to some younger player. It is surprising to see the selectors sticking with a batsman after failing consecutively for 10 innings. I don't know whether any other batsman has ever received this much largesse.

Warner showed a lot of weakness during the Ashes. He was dismissed by the same bowler 7 times and he is going to be vulnerable against the quick bowlers of Pakistan. The official statement regarding selection hasn't come yet, but Ricky Ponting has said that Warner's selection is "certain". One bright spot is that they have decided to include Will Pucovski in the squad.

[JSRAW]

Guess you forgot Matt Renshaw. he was 20ish when he played his first Test Match for Australia.

It is very surprising that none of you remember Pat Cummins. He was 18 years and 193 days, when he made his debut against South Africa at Johannesburg in 2011. He made his first class debut for Tasmania at the age of 17. Normally Australian first class sides doesn't regularly feature teenagers, but Tasmania with its limited player pool sometimes give chances to younger players.

You are right bro, but don't need to be surprise 

My comment was counter argument to @bryant.coleman. i left out Aston Agar too because both him and Cummins debuted at 2013 and 2011 respectively and presenting recent example make much more sense to me.

[akhjob]

The main reason for Ricky Ponting suggesting Warner for the Pak tour is that he has better stats against pak in Tests. While his overall test average is 45.48, his average against Pak is 66.11 scoring 3 100s and 2 50s in 9 innings.

[AB de Royse777]

Sun probably ran out of the Page 3 business. I mean seriously these journalist has no respect for people's private life. All they want is their name to be sold out and money from advertising.


Ref: https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1173893834377441280

Sorry Stokesi, you are going through this. My support is with you.

[FIFA worldcup]

Sun probably ran out of the Page 3 business. I mean seriously these journalist has no respect for people's private life. All they want is their name to be sold out and money from advertising.


Ref: https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1173893834377441280

Sorry Stokesi, you are going through this. My support is with you.

I do know that media will not spare any news and will try to sell their stories to get the fame and publicity.
Can you let me know what exactly they are pointing out for the strokes in this particular case ? I am unable to understand the whole story here.

[Vishnu.Reang]

^^^ If this story was published without the permission from Ben Stokes, then I would sympathize with him. But it looks like the Sun had sought prior permission from Stokes and at no point of time he objected to the story being published in the tabloid. I don't know who is saying the truth and who is lying. But in case the tabloid had his prior approval, then Ben has no reason to complain.

He was contacted prior to publication and at no stage did he or his representatives ask us not to publish the story.

[Raja_MBZ]

^^^ If this story was published without the permission from Ben Stokes, then I would sympathize with him. But it looks like the Sun had sought prior permission from Stokes and at no point of time he objected to the story being published in the tabloid. I don't know who is saying the truth and who is lying. But in case the tabloid had his prior approval, then Ben has no reason to complain.

He was contacted prior to publication and at no stage did he or his representatives ask us not to publish the story.

From where did you get that quote?

[bryant.coleman]

^^^^ I guess that was from the explanation published by the Sun, after Ben Stokes expressed his outrage. I don't want to criticize him at this point, especially in such a sensitive subject. But you can't expect a media giant like The Sun to publish some personal information, without getting prior permission from the individuals who are involved. They are claiming that they had informed Stokes, and he raised no objection at that point. If Stokes think that this is a lie, then let him go ahead with legal action.

I would advice these guys to stop fooling people. The same thing he tried during the world cup finals. He was happy when he got 6 runs from the overthrow. When the fans reacted negatively to that, he claimed that he had asked the umpires to reverse their decision (a claim which was rubbished by the same umpires later).

Here is the explanation from The Sun (at the very bottom):

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[Haunebu]

Sorry Stokesi, you are going through this. My support is with you.

Don't believe everything you read. No one can be completely sure about who is at fault here(Stokes is the same controversial dude who engaged in bar fights and almost ruined his Cricket career earlier).

Sad that this has transpired, but I cannot say with 100% certainty that Sun is to be blamed for this. His professional life has taken off into the stratosphere while his personal life is still controversial. Wish something like this could have been avoided.

[ene1980]

Don't believe everything you read. No one can be completely sure about who is at fault here(Stokes is the same controversial dude who engaged in bar fights and almost ruined his Cricket career earlier).

Bar fights are not an uncommon thing but if a celebrity is involved in any fights then the media will go after them and will not even look what caused the tension so that the fight was initiated. These athletes are super fit and if some drunk dick starts picking on them they will respond and it might end up in a brawl.
I am not sure what the situation here regarding who authorized the media to publishing a tragedy which is occurred well before his birth, it will have an traumatic effect on the person involved who suffered these incidents and that is his mom.

[AB de Royse777]

But in case the tabloid had his prior approval, then Ben has no reason to complain.

He was contacted prior to publication and at no stage did he or his representatives ask us not to publish the story.

I certainly do not believe the media, they can do or tell anything to keep them look fair. They knew it will be a great story.

What I learnt is that they when they approached to Ben and his wife for interview then he and his family did not respond to it which means they were not okay with it, no rocket science.

Can you let me know what exactly they are pointing out for the strokes in this particular case ? I am unable to understand the whole story here.

I do not want to publicly post it here. This news is better not to share in public (The media actually want it).  I will PM you.

^^^^ I guess that was from the explanation published by the Sun, after Ben Stokes expressed his outrage. I don't want to criticize him at this point, especially in such a sensitive subject. But you can't expect a media giant like The Sun to publish some personal information, without getting prior permission from the individuals who are involved. They are claiming that they had informed Stokes, and he raised no objection at that point. If Stokes think that this is a lie, then let him go ahead with legal action.

I would advice these guys to stop fooling people. The same thing he tried during the world cup finals. He was happy when he got 6 runs from the overthrow. When the fans reacted negatively to that, he claimed that he had asked the umpires to reverse their decision (a claim which was rubbished by the same umpires later).

Here is the explanation from The Sun (at the very bottom):

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If I was you then I would not post the link publicly. I think that's a kind of win for The Sun.