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[FanEagle]

Yeah that's what I was also explaining above that you can use same things in your artwork but there's no possibility that the two artwork would be identical unless you try to copy someone's else artwork to present your entry.This is just a competition and try to be creative and submit whatever you have in mind and no need to be high profile artist to participate in these contest.

There could be "similar" stuff, like the same exact image, painted by two different people for example, we have that with fruit bowls all over the world, people draw that to learn about light and many other stuff basically to cut it short. That means there are probably a million fruit bowls, doesn't mean that people copied each other, they just wanted to paint the same thing, but each has different style and talent level, if I draw it, or paint it, it will certainly be the ugliest thing ever, but if some great painter did, it would look like so real that you want to take a bite. So, if it's like that, I think it's fine, but if it's literally same, then it's a no no.

That’s not the case here though, we just have a topic and that’s about it, and this is why we wouldn't be getting the same stuff, how could you get the same stuff from a topic. It’s not like "paint a fruit bowl" type of situation here, it’s like "paint something regarding fruits" for example, would everyone paint a bowl of it in that case? Maybe one or two but I doubt it would be too many.

Hence, why I believe that if there is an "exact" or close thing, then it's going to raise some suspicion. This of course results with people coming in with their OG art work, and that usually ends up with something much better for the team, because they have plenty of OG art under their files to use whenever they want to.

[Betwrong]

I had only 1 ticket, and I knew my chances were slim.

Slim huh? Thats close to impossible . I had 12 from sportsbook wager but I dont even bother to check the winner list because I know for sure that my name is definitely not going to be on the list. If one day I hit one of these huge prize with less than 100 tickets, I would be scared that I would jinx something bad right after that LOL

This made me laugh.
But seriously even we only have few tickets, the fact that you have an entry is still a chance that you might be lucky and win. So I believe nothing is impossible if you're destined to be lucky.
~

...  and have at least one ticket, right? Because destined or not, you'll get f**k all with no tickets in any case. If you think Lady Luck favours you, earn a ticket, give Lady a chance to prove herself.

[aysg76]

That’s not the case here though, we just have a topic and that’s about it, and this is why we wouldn't be getting the same stuff, how could you get the same stuff from a topic. It’s not like "paint a fruit bowl" type of situation here, it’s like "paint something regarding fruits" for example, would everyone paint a bowl of it in that case? Maybe one or two but I doubt it would be too many.

Have never seen the identical artwork submissions in these contest and why should we worry about the same if we are not copying someone else's work? You have something in mind and that cannot be same as in other's mind and you are right these are not classes where you have same object to paint on the paper.So be original and rest you don't need to worry at all.

[arwin100]

That’s not the case here though, we just have a topic and that’s about it, and this is why we wouldn't be getting the same stuff, how could you get the same stuff from a topic. It’s not like "paint a fruit bowl" type of situation here, it’s like "paint something regarding fruits" for example, would everyone paint a bowl of it in that case? Maybe one or two but I doubt it would be too many.

Have never seen the identical artwork submissions in these contest and why should we worry about the same if we are not copying someone else's work? You have something in mind and that cannot be same as in other's mind and you are right these are not classes where you have same object to paint on the paper.So be original and rest you don't need to worry at all.

For sure there will be a lot of difference in the submission even though some creators make the old winners work as inspiration for their art created. And the battle will always be on who will give more detailed artwork which fit on the criteria given by Roobet management.

Also I'm sure there will be no almost the same submission since for sure the artist will not waste their time to risk submitting a plagiarize artwork since its easy to spot as the artworks can be seen easily on the thread.

[Peanutswar]

I agree, people think that you need to show proof of your birth certificate or something to play, it is a simple verification that you pass and its fine. I guess it is the fear that one day yo ucould be asked and this could have some governmental backing that will put you in trouble that makes them stay away from the place. I am fine with it because for me it is not illegal, I mean it technically could be, but I am not playing with "real" money based on our laws, hence it is not technically gambling. Laws here see this place, same as playing those slot games on your phone with game tokens, hence I am not worried about KYC anymore, I disliked even hated the decision to ask it, but I got used to it.

there are many minors who are playing and for this reason they do not like KYC, there are many people who do not have their own home and who are still at their parents' house even though they are minors and for this reason there is no way to deliver proof of residence because the water, electricity and internet bill is not in their name, there are many people who are afraid to hand over their passport on a strange website. That's why KYC is a big headache for most people, especially when we know that many casinos have anonymous owners so it wouldn't be fair for an anonymous casino to ask their customers for KYC.

The good thing about asking for a birth certificate or proof of service is to make sure of that, that it is not children who are in front of the PC, lately the world has been in a very digital axis, children have more access to internet tools, perhaps the pandemic has brought you to this world, although this means that we are in a process of protecting children, it is something that we all must sometimes accept for the common good, in my personal opinion, I have seen many programs where they deceive children, they end up being extorted, raped and sometimes killed, I prefer to give a KYC if this helps to avoid all this type of events, if we see it from that point of view, I know that many could make the exception.

Proof of service or birth certificate still cannot ensure that the person sitting behind the PC and playing gambling is an adult. For instance, if parents want they can provide all this kyc stuff and then give their children access to their screen/PC to gamble. In this case, you can still not avoid minors from playing gambling.
The only way to stop them is to force them to turn on their camera while playing, but why casinos take this hassle when parents themselves allow kids to play gambling.

For verification of the player if it is children or not i guess the most convenient way is to make another layer of security but this i guess i don't have idea for now, gambling platform will not make a new feature for their player a camera because it is more hassle to them to have this kind of features and also most of the player would like to keep themselves anonymous in playing having a verified KYC is enough. For now KYC is one of the most effective but to prevent play it like let their parents it is all about their concern not for the gambling casino itself.

[Hamphser]

I agree, people think that you need to show proof of your birth certificate or something to play, it is a simple verification that you pass and its fine. I guess it is the fear that one day yo ucould be asked and this could have some governmental backing that will put you in trouble that makes them stay away from the place. I am fine with it because for me it is not illegal, I mean it technically could be, but I am not playing with "real" money based on our laws, hence it is not technically gambling. Laws here see this place, same as playing those slot games on your phone with game tokens, hence I am not worried about KYC anymore, I disliked even hated the decision to ask it, but I got used to it.

there are many minors who are playing and for this reason they do not like KYC, there are many people who do not have their own home and who are still at their parents' house even though they are minors and for this reason there is no way to deliver proof of residence because the water, electricity and internet bill is not in their name, there are many people who are afraid to hand over their passport on a strange website. That's why KYC is a big headache for most people, especially when we know that many casinos have anonymous owners so it wouldn't be fair for an anonymous casino to ask their customers for KYC.

The good thing about asking for a birth certificate or proof of service is to make sure of that, that it is not children who are in front of the PC, lately the world has been in a very digital axis, children have more access to internet tools, perhaps the pandemic has brought you to this world, although this means that we are in a process of protecting children, it is something that we all must sometimes accept for the common good, in my personal opinion, I have seen many programs where they deceive children, they end up being extorted, raped and sometimes killed, I prefer to give a KYC if this helps to avoid all this type of events, if we see it from that point of view, I know that many could make the exception.

Proof of service or birth certificate still cannot ensure that the person sitting behind the PC and playing gambling is an adult. For instance, if parents want they can provide all this kyc stuff and then give their children access to their screen/PC to gamble. In this case, you can still not avoid minors from playing gambling.
The only way to stop them is to force them to turn on their camera while playing, but why casinos take this hassle when parents themselves allow kids to play gambling.

For verification of the player if it is children or not i guess the most convenient way is to make another layer of security but this i guess i don't have idea for now, gambling platform will not make a new feature for their player a camera because it is more hassle to them to have this kind of features and also most of the player would like to keep themselves anonymous in playing having a verified KYC is enough. For now KYC is one of the most effective but to prevent play it like let their parents it is all about their concern not for the gambling casino itself.

Anonymity does really have its con's which it cant really be avoided for minors to take advantage of that and able to deal or engage with gambling since it cant really be needing those verification and could easily

be accessed with just few clicks and make out registration thats why its really important about proper guidance and monitoring with our children because it cant really be avoided on some point.
For crypto casinos then we do really understand on why they do really emphasis anonymity because this is where the community do much prefer but there are instances where these
centralized platforms would really be needing on following up certain regulations which ended up on having these changes even though its against their will and preference but there's
nothing they could do.

[FanEagle]

Proof of service or birth certificate still cannot ensure that the person sitting behind the PC and playing gambling is an adult. For instance, if parents want they can provide all this kyc stuff and then give their children access to their screen/PC to gamble. In this case, you can still not avoid minors from playing gambling.
The only way to stop them is to force them to turn on their camera while playing, but why casinos take this hassle when parents themselves allow kids to play gambling.

Everything can be faked out if you wants to do it and bypassing these KYC norms is not much difficult but the thing is they have set a rule at their end to avoid minors falling into this gambling addiction trap but it's the guardian moral responsibility to have look on activities of their children and guide them to avoid gambling at this age instead of helping them in faking out things.

Honestly, would it worth it though? Like I could find KYC information of someone online, buy it from hackers or something and do something illegal there. Then I can use that to sign up here and give that information, which would be illegal as well. And then I could do something legal or illegal here as well and get caught, then all of the money would be stuck inside, what's the point?

This is why I disagree with the situation, getting fake KYC is of course possible, but the possible outcome is so dangerous that you wouldn't want to do it yourself. Not only you could get sued, but you would also lose all of your money at the same time as well.

[Apocollapse]

Honestly, would it worth it though? Like I could find KYC information of someone online, buy it from hackers or something and do something illegal there. Then I can use that to sign up here and give that information, which would be illegal as well. And then I could do something legal or illegal here as well and get caught, then all of the money would be stuck inside, what's the point?

What do you mean of get caught? most of casino only ask KYC for the last step of verification, so the casino will trust you with the personal information you did filled. It will be different with few casinos who ask a videos or live record about their verification, but it's just in rare case. If your name is match with the KYC you've send, I don't think you will have a trouble except the casino identified it's a fake KYC.

However fake KYC isn't only use for a services, you could make a new coin and submit someone KYC, so anyone will know the project is created by that's person, not you.

[aysg76]

Honestly, would it worth it though? Like I could find KYC information of someone online, buy it from hackers or something and do something illegal there. Then I can use that to sign up here and give that information, which would be illegal as well. And then I could do something legal or illegal here as well and get caught, then all of the money would be stuck inside, what's the point?

What do you mean of get caught? most of casino only ask KYC for the last step of verification, so the casino will trust you with the personal information you did filled. It will be different with few casinos who ask a videos or live record about their verification, but it's just in rare case. If your name is match with the KYC you've send, I don't think you will have a trouble except the casino identified it's a fake KYC.

However fake KYC isn't only use for a services, you could make a new coin and submit someone KYC, so anyone will know the project is created by that's person, not you.

Depends on the level of KYC you are into like level 1 is very normal and this can be faked out by members but if you are playing on the casino then avoid these things and play genuinely as if caught your account could be freezed and funds will be locked so try to be original and follow the rules while gambling.

[Cookdata]

The good thing about asking for a birth certificate or proof of service is to make sure of that, that it is not children who are in front of the PC, lately the world has been in a very digital axis, children have more access to internet tools, perhaps the pandemic has brought you to this world, although this means that we are in a process of protecting children, it is something that we all must sometimes accept for the common good, in my personal opinion, I have seen many programs where they deceive children, they end up being extorted, raped and sometimes killed, I prefer to give a KYC if this helps to avoid all this type of events, if we see it from that point of view, I know that many could make the exception.

There is nothing good about giving out your information, I know it is paramount to your money on casino but your privacy should be preserved to the barest minimum, the reason is that you aren't sure how safe is your documents and details when they are submitted into the hands of this organization, they could protect it very well in their custody and may sell it out if they wish because the people's information is big business, especially from reputable people.
Again, presenting a birth certificate will not solve anything, these things can be bought online, just like the hacker who bid to sell Chinese documents worth 23 terabytes of data for bitcoin, he knows people will want to buy because they will use it to bypass all this restriction like this one we are discussing.

[Eureka_07]

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Well if the user do not want to present any personal information to the casino that requires KYC, then I think the user should try other casino that is not regulated by any government. I doubt that there are many of these unregulated casino which has a good reputation from the gambling community.
Moreover, I think it is dangerous to give any KYC documents to casino which are not regulated.

[shasan]

Depends on the level of KYC you are into like level 1 is very normal and this can be faked out by members but if you are playing on the casino then avoid these things and play genuinely as if caught your account could be freezed and funds will be locked so try to be original and follow the rules while gambling.

I prefer to use original document both on gambling site (sportsbook as well as casino) as well as crypto exchange site. Casue if I use any fake info that might be used by someone else too. If that happens then the account of mine can be locked due to the use of fake document. And I not only use the real document but also I suggest everyone to use real document.

[Haunebu]

I prefer to use original document both on gambling site (sportsbook as well as casino) as well as crypto exchange site. Casue if I use any fake info that might be used by someone else too. If that happens then the account of mine can be locked due to the use of fake document. And I not only use the real document but also I suggest everyone to use real document.

This is the right approach obviously since it's quite easy to get screwed if you provide fake documents by gambling sites(FIAT and Crypto), but I can also understand why many gamblers choose to submit fake documents.

They do this because they are aware of all the information leaking incidents which happen on a regular basis which is why they prefer gambling anonymously.

[lienfaye]

I prefer to use original document both on gambling site (sportsbook as well as casino) as well as crypto exchange site. Casue if I use any fake info that might be used by someone else too. If that happens then the account of mine can be locked due to the use of fake document. And I not only use the real document but also I suggest everyone to use real document.

This is the right approach obviously since it's quite easy to get screwed if you provide fake documents by gambling sites(FIAT and Crypto), but I can also understand why many gamblers choose to submit fake documents.

They do this because they are aware of all the information leaking incidents which happen on a regular basis which is why they prefer gambling anonymously.

Thats true. But there's also risk of using fake documents just because we are worried that our personal details might get compromise. If we happen to win huge and KYC verification is needed, its a problem if we cant present the documents.

Thus its still best to provide our real information. However we have to be careful and be certain that the particular site can be trusted.

[Haunebu]

Thus its still best to provide our real information. However we have to be careful and be certain that the particular site can be trusted.

You misunderstood what I was trying to say here. I clearly mentioned that it's never a good idea to submit fake documents for the reasons that you specified, but I can understand why they submit them despite all the risks involved.

Also, it's common sense to only provide your KYC to trustworthy sites like Roobet, Stake etc.

[aysg76]

Thus its still best to provide our real information. However we have to be careful and be certain that the particular site can be trusted.

You misunderstood what I was trying to say here. I clearly mentioned that it's never a good idea to submit fake documents for the reasons that you specified, but I can understand why they submit them despite all the risks involved.

Also, it's common sense to only provide your KYC to trustworthy sites like Roobet, Stake etc.

Submitting your KYC documents is really risky and I would never do that as your privacy is in your hands and I am not comfortable with it but if you are submitting for playing then go through legit manners as these casinos have strict policies to freeze your account if they found something suspicious in your documents.

[FanEagle]

the point is KYC don't help any of these bad things to stop happening since people can just buy fake documents and find a way to fake KYC (even paying someone else to do it for them)
what it does is create a parallel market that incentives fraud

I do not think that having "minors" here is the responsibility of Roobet at all. Of course they should make it go away, and they would prefer if there are zero minors here, that would be great. But they could fill the form in a fake manner and continue, not like they are not capable of doing it.

Another thing in the world where it is illegal for people under 18 to watch, but we all know people who are under 18 watches those things online right? They even get asked if they are above 18 or not before they watch those things and they lie and say they are above 18 and still watch them. Same logic, say it's not allowed and you should be fine to be fair, if they lie, then it's their problem.

[Captain Corporate]

I agree, having minors is something you have to accept when you are building an online business, no matter what kind of business it is, minors will always have a way to get in. I remember myself at 18 and under and I was going around in darknet let alone lie about my age, and I have seen things there I will never forget and never got in there ever again in my life, and never will again. ToR browser is done for me, and will never install it on my computer in my entire life. Some things scar you for life, gambling is not one of them. If you are a kid, you shouldn't gamble, but Roobet can't stop them even if they tried, impossible, even with KYC.

[crzy]

I agree, having minors is something you have to accept when you are building an online business, no matter what kind of business it is, minors will always have a way to get in. I remember myself at 18 and under and I was going around in darknet let alone lie about my age, and I have seen things there I will never forget and never got in there ever again in my life, and never will again. ToR browser is done for me, and will never install it on my computer in my entire life. Some things scar you for life, gambling is not one of them. If you are a kid, you shouldn't gamble, but Roobet can't stop them even if they tried, impossible, even with KYC.

They can’t stop them but at least prevented those who are trying to cheat on the site, Roobet might not be able to catch all those minors, with this KYC they can at least lessen them. Well, there’s a lot of minors already exposed to gambling, its really bad that the site forces KYC just to help those minors getting away from gambling. KYC with Roobet has been running for years already, I believe we cannot change this anymore.

[peter0425]

I agree, having minors is something you have to accept when you are building an online business, no matter what kind of business it is, minors will always have a way to get in. I remember myself at 18 and under and I was going around in darknet let alone lie about my age, and I have seen things there I will never forget and never got in there ever again in my life, and never will again. ToR browser is done for me, and will never install it on my computer in my entire life. Some things scar you for life, gambling is not one of them. If you are a kid, you shouldn't gamble, but Roobet can't stop them even if they tried, impossible, even with KYC.

They can’t stop them but at least prevented those who are trying to cheat on the site, Roobet might not be able to catch all those minors, with this KYC they can at least lessen them. Well, there’s a lot of minors already exposed to gambling, its really bad that the site forces KYC just to help those minors getting away from gambling. KYC with Roobet has been running for years already, I believe we cannot change this anymore.

and also it is Parents obligation to watch over their Minors and Gambling sites will do their part also, because no matter how strict the security and rules of gambling sites? lets accept the fact that internet offers ways on how minor can do their gambling activities without being notices and we also knew that KYC isn't the answer for this case.