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The gambling industry is changing at a very fast rate in both promoting the business and also adding more fun into it. I am not sure but definitely it is crypto space that has given more wings to it. First there were a lot of restrictions while using the gambling sites. You were not able to pay with the cards, had border payment restrictions, paypal always sucked, other payment processors were not up to the market and more chances of scams were there.As soon as crypto bloomed, so as to crypto based casinos. Roobet obviously did an amazing job putting it as a two way business approach. There is a large community who even love the Roobet name in a positive way now. Everyone has favorite casino's, I guess Roobet is one of them for me
Yeah, I would agree with that. The introduction of cryptocurrency and decentralization to online gambling really gave people a bit more breathing space. Gambling had way too many regulations and silly rules which made gambling not very fun at all. But with crypto as a payment system and a smart contract underneath, casinos can automate their business and throw many annoying, outdated regulations out of the window by force. Hope they would really be able to impose such stuffs and trying out to get rid out of these regulation and other similar stuffs. Come to mind off wayback on previous years where gambling in crypto space isnt really that totally stressful or something you do mind about regulation since you could totally play with ease without having minding about possible kyc just because you had done something which leaving you no choice but to comply with it or else your funds would be locked up. So far we are still on a situation where it isnt really that too strict where verifications are compulsory. You could still have the option or choices whether you would comply it or not.
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Hope they would really be able to impose such stuffs and trying out to get rid out of these regulation and other similar stuffs. Come to mind off wayback on previous years where gambling in crypto space isnt really -snip-
That's not going to happen anymore, no. The regulations for crypto are getting stricter and stricter all over the world, and this not only affects casinos but also exchanges. Exchanges must, for example, demand proof of origin for the deposited coins, if, for example, larger quantities come from unregulated casinos, they must not allow them to be deposited (and exchanged for USD, for example), otherwise they make themselves liable to prosecution. In my opinion, the rather relaxed times of online crypto casinos are over and will not come back.
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December 28, 2022, 07:04:17 AM |
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That's not going to happen anymore, no. The regulations for crypto are getting stricter and stricter all over the world, and this not only affects casinos but also exchanges. Exchanges must, for example, demand proof of origin for the deposited coins, if, for example, larger quantities come from unregulated casinos, they must not allow them to be deposited (and exchanged for USD, for example), otherwise they make themselves liable to prosecution.
In my opinion, the rather relaxed times of online crypto casinos are over and will not come back.
That's true. Recent debacles like the FTX crash and the Terra-LUNA crash made things worse for the cryptocurrency market on the whole and these are just a couple of reasons as to why regulations will keep increasing over time. Despite these issues, it's good to see more and more new, legit crypto gambling sites emerging.
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December 28, 2022, 09:39:06 AM |
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That's true. Recent debacles like the FTX crash and the Terra-LUNA crash made things worse for the cryptocurrency market on the whole and these are just a couple of reasons as to why regulations will keep increasing over time.
Despite these issues, it's good to see more and more new, legit crypto gambling sites emerging.
To be fair FTX is regulated, but the regulation isn't really strict, so when it goes wrong FTX doesn't have any way to recover their losses and become bankrupt. So it's really depends on where the regulation is and what are the rules need to comply. Roobet is regulated but it doesn't really strict, a fully regulated casino will ask to submit complete KYC verification during registration. So it's really depends on Roobet's team if Roobet become very huge casino that could compete with popular fiat casino.
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December 28, 2022, 10:30:04 AM |
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That's true. Recent debacles like the FTX crash and the Terra-LUNA crash made things worse for the cryptocurrency market on the whole and these are just a couple of reasons as to why regulations will keep increasing over time.
Despite these issues, it's good to see more and more new, legit crypto gambling sites emerging.
To be fair FTX is regulated, but the regulation isn't really strict, so when it goes wrong FTX doesn't have any way to recover their losses and become bankrupt. So it's really depends on where the regulation is and what are the rules need to comply. Roobet is regulated but it doesn't really strict, a fully regulated casino will ask to submit complete KYC verification during registration. So it's really depends on Roobet's team if Roobet become very huge casino that could compete with popular fiat casino. There's no strong law regarding on cryptocurrency so anyone can get away with the crimes they do so what happen to FTX might also happen here and to any other reputable platform. But for now I don't believe this will happen here since they are huge and can earn huge money for continuously running this business. What happen to FTX might not happen to other since it will all depend if the owner is so greedy or not.
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Yes, it was really funny. I used to watch those live streams and participated on the contests, although I didn't win much back then but I enjoyed it. I don't think we will see any gambling content on twitch anymore. That sucks because it's one of the best platforms when it comes to streaming and interaction between the streamer and the viewers.
Never used twitch much which is why I have no idea about any of these contests, but I feel that YouTube is a way better platform for streamers and viewers in comparison for obvious reasons despite all their restrictions. AFAIK, Twitch is the choice of many game streamers compared to Youtube. They use Youtube only for reposing their content on it, while for live streaming they go on Twitch. Though, do YOutube does even allow gambling content? If so, how does the monetization for the creators? it seems Youtube is not favouring gambling content. There's many promotions by Roobet for streamers to gain a lot traffic, as we know those live streaming site isn't big like Twitch.
After the twitch gambling ban there are other alternatives which streamers and other sites have to look for and this is why Roobet is encouraging it with such big rewards and attract people as well as streamers to this platform.They will gain users with their marketing strategy and exciting rewarding scheme so hope it goes well for them and us players also. Both Trovo and Dlive seem the current platform choices for many gambling streamers. As far as I can see, Dlive did not have any strict gambling content restrictions, as on their Service Guidelines: Whether you may stream gambling games online (eg: Online Poker, Online Blackjack) depends on the laws and regulations of the country you are streaming from or where the stream is received, accessed, or viewed. But for Trovo, there is a restriction about gambling but it's not quite clear of what it meant since there is some gambling content on the platforms. Prohibited Conduct: You agree not to use the Trovo Service (or attempt to use the Trovo Service) in a way that harms any other User, Trovo or any third party or in a manner that violates any applicable laws. In particular, you agree not to (and not to attempt to) do any of the following: Use the Trovo Service for gambling (even if gambling is legal in your jurisdiction);
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December 28, 2022, 08:18:08 PM |
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That's true. Recent debacles like the FTX crash and the Terra-LUNA crash made things worse for the cryptocurrency market on the whole and these are just a couple of reasons as to why regulations will keep increasing over time.
Despite these issues, it's good to see more and more new, legit crypto gambling sites emerging.
To be fair FTX is regulated, but the regulation isn't really strict, so when it goes wrong FTX doesn't have any way to recover their losses and become bankrupt. So it's really depends on where the regulation is and what are the rules need to comply. Roobet is regulated but it doesn't really strict, a fully regulated casino will ask to submit complete KYC verification during registration. So it's really depends on Roobet's team if Roobet become very huge casino that could compete with popular fiat casino. I wonder what is the difference in bankroll management for exchanges and casinos, of course the casinos also need to keep money and shouldn't use costumers funds for investment (like what Sam did on FTX), do you think the idea of proof of reserves, getting popular right now with exchanges, will happen with casinos too in the future?
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That's not going to happen anymore, no. The regulations for crypto are getting stricter and stricter all over the world, and this not only affects casinos but also exchanges. Exchanges must, for example, demand proof of origin for the deposited coins, if, for example, larger quantities come from unregulated casinos, they must not allow them to be deposited (and exchanged for USD, for example), otherwise they make themselves liable to prosecution.
In my opinion, the rather relaxed times of online crypto casinos are over and will not come back.
That's true. Recent debacles like the FTX crash and the Terra-LUNA crash made things worse for the cryptocurrency market on the whole and these are just a couple of reasons as to why regulations will keep increasing over time. Despite these issues, it's good to see more and more new, legit crypto gambling sites emerging. Even with these new sites or platforms emergence but it wont really make out such change yet they would really be that subjective with regulation if ever they would tend to operate.I do agree with those points above that with all the bad things happening involving huge funds been stolen or been used up or some issues then its not really surprising that government would really make out some involvement which it isnt really that totally surprising if one day that majority of these platforms would really be asking out for some verification first before you could make out an account and make out deposits. Its true that gone are the days on which we could gamble out freely or without having that much restriction for whatever the amount would it be.
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December 28, 2022, 09:18:41 PM |
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That is definitely a way some other places do as well, I do not want to name roobets competition here, but having a higher house edge but bigger returns do work, it has worked for so many other companies as well.
Even the biggest names in the crypto casino world is now doing it, the old way was just having a regular old boring dice game where you would have 1% house edge, and some even dropped that, and did like 0.5% or lower and people got bored of that quickly because you only had gambling and nothing else. Nowadays, I can gamble at roobet on a 5% house edge game for example, and lose some chunks back to back, but then get a huge amount all at once if I win something.
I think the bigger returns and rewards to people is a great deal that helps too many people as well. I guess people saw that they can't win any other way on regular 1% house edge boring casinos, and said might as well lose bigger here with a chance to make it back a lot bigger as well. Art competition is irrelevant in that regard because no matter how much you gamble, that's not coming to gamblers, it's going to artists. But, aside from that there are so many promotions that makes people win so much money that it's going to be fine in the long run for people to just enjoy gambling and the possibility of making tens of thousands as a reward if they are lucky.
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December 28, 2022, 11:07:54 PM |
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That's not going to happen anymore, no. The regulations for crypto are getting stricter and stricter all over the world, and this not only affects casinos but also exchanges. Exchanges must, for example, demand proof of origin for the deposited coins, if, for example, larger quantities come from unregulated casinos, they must not allow them to be deposited (and exchanged for USD, for example), otherwise they make themselves liable to prosecution.
In my opinion, the rather relaxed times of online crypto casinos are over and will not come back.
That's true. Recent debacles like the FTX crash and the Terra-LUNA crash made things worse for the cryptocurrency market on the whole and these are just a couple of reasons as to why regulations will keep increasing over time. Despite these issues, it's good to see more and more new, legit crypto gambling sites emerging. Even with these new sites or platforms emergence but it wont really make out such change yet they would really be that subjective with regulation if ever they would tend to operate.I do agree with those points above that with all the bad things happening involving huge funds been stolen or been used up or some issues then its not really surprising that government would really make out some involvement which it isnt really that totally surprising if one day that majority of these platforms would really be asking out for some verification first before you could make out an account and make out deposits. Its true that gone are the days on which we could gamble out freely or without having that much restriction for whatever the amount would it be. This is the reason why somehow I like the government will get involvement in crypto since since there presence is really helpful if they regulate all the platform which involve money or investment because from this we can lessen up those scams and those people who do crimes will get caught up. Its just we need a heavy penalties like forever those scammers will get in jail for lifetime if they do such crime so that they get afraid to stole millions of dollars to any people online.
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December 29, 2022, 04:49:47 AM |
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I wonder what is the difference in bankroll management for exchanges and casinos, of course the casinos also need to keep money and shouldn't use costumers funds for investment (like what Sam did on FTX), do you think the idea of proof of reserves, getting popular right now with exchanges, will happen with casinos too in the future?
For big and regulated casino, it will happen in the future. While the small and unregulated casino, they're easy to avoid to get regulated until they make huge cash flow and get a radar from governments, so in the end they can't hide it anymore. Honestly I think a developed casino should try to expand their casino even though they need to tightening their rules, because people wouldn't really care with KYC as long as the site is really trusted.
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December 29, 2022, 06:00:14 AM |
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I wonder what is the difference in bankroll management for exchanges and casinos, of course the casinos also need to keep money and shouldn't use costumers funds for investment (like what Sam did on FTX), do you think the idea of proof of reserves, getting popular right now with exchanges, will happen with casinos too in the future?
It is always complicated to manage funds especially funds from customers. A good management must be transparently in regular reports to customers and such reports must be given publicly to everyone. BitDice Robbed Investors? CSNO lost 80% value. Like that one, lack of transparency and people called it as scam. For big and regulated casino, it will happen in the future. While the small and unregulated casino, they're easy to avoid to get regulated until they make huge cash flow and get a radar from governments, so in the end they can't hide it anymore. Honestly I think a developed casino should try to expand their casino even though they need to tightening their rules, because people wouldn't really care with KYC as long as the site is really trusted.
Every platform works with fund-raising, capital from customers must be regulated one way or another. Because casinos must have licenses to operate legally, more regulations on how they use customer funds will be approved and applied in future. Casinos with good CVs about that will get high Trust scores in gambler communities and I am so sure that it is good for their business.
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December 29, 2022, 06:39:53 AM |
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For big and regulated casino, it will happen in the future. While the small and unregulated casino, they're easy to avoid to get regulated until they make huge cash flow and get a radar from governments, so in the end they can't hide it anymore.
I think the starting point here will be quite different: regulated exchanges with FIAT gateways must be able to prove the (legal) origin of coins. For example, if you win 1 Bitcoin on an unregulated gambling site and want to exchange this Bitcoin for USD later, the Exchanges will refuse to deposit the coin in the future because the origin does not come from a "secure source". European Exchanges such as Bitpanda are already doing this, where the origin of a Bitcoin must be traceable (e.g. not from a mixing-service) and from 100% legal sources, otherwise the deposit will not be allowed.
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December 29, 2022, 10:16:50 AM |
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For big and regulated casino, it will happen in the future. While the small and unregulated casino, they're easy to avoid to get regulated until they make huge cash flow and get a radar from governments, so in the end they can't hide it anymore.
I think the starting point here will be quite different: regulated exchanges with FIAT gateways must be able to prove the (legal) origin of coins. For example, if you win 1 Bitcoin on an unregulated gambling site and want to exchange this Bitcoin for USD later, the Exchanges will refuse to deposit the coin in the future because the origin does not come from a "secure source". European Exchanges such as Bitpanda are already doing this, where the origin of a Bitcoin must be traceable (e.g. not from a mixing-service) and from 100% legal sources, otherwise the deposit will not be allowed. But why would it matter if the winner is going to sell the bitcoin for USD and then going to pay the taxes for it? It’s big amount you know, one full bitcoin is going to be around 15k at the bottom after fees and all. That is fairly recognisable amount for the tax authorities so the user will declare it on the balance sheet no matter what. About casino, I’m not sure how they collect the funds in the first place apart from the users depositing in them but they definitely have accountant working for them, I highly doubt they will have any issues with it.
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December 29, 2022, 11:58:31 AM |
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This is the reason why somehow I like the government will get involvement in crypto since since there presence is really helpful if they regulate all the platform which involve money or investment because from this we can lessen up those scams and those people who do crimes will get caught up. Its just we need a heavy penalties like forever those scammers will get in jail for lifetime if they do such crime so that they get afraid to stole millions of dollars to any people online.
This is a bad idea. The government themselves are filled with a plethora of scammers. Also, why do you think they can somehow stop crypto related scams when they cannot even stop FIAT related scams? For big and regulated casino, it will happen in the future. While the small and unregulated casino, they're easy to avoid to get regulated until they make huge cash flow and get a radar from governments, so in the end they can't hide it anymore. Honestly I think a developed casino should try to expand their casino even though they need to tightening their rules, because people wouldn't really care with KYC as long as the site is really trusted.
I disagree. KYC is hated by most crypto investors who are willing to provide it only if absolutely necessary regardless of whether the site in question is popular or not.
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December 29, 2022, 12:11:49 PM |
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For big and regulated casino, it will happen in the future. While the small and unregulated casino, they're easy to avoid to get regulated until they make huge cash flow and get a radar from governments, so in the end they can't hide it anymore. Honestly I think a developed casino should try to expand their casino even though they need to tightening their rules, because people wouldn't really care with KYC as long as the site is really trusted.
I disagree. KYC is hated by most crypto investors who are willing to provide it only if absolutely necessary regardless of whether the site in question is popular or not. Agreed with this. One of the main reasons that people play on crypto casinos is to stay anonymous and to not provide KYC. Unfortunately, I think there really is a trend towards KYC from a lot of crypto casinos. As long if the site is reputable, online since a couple of years, than I don't really mind in providing the KYC.
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December 29, 2022, 12:16:03 PM |
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I wonder what is the difference in bankroll management for exchanges and casinos, of course the casinos also need to keep money and shouldn't use costumers funds for investment (like what Sam did on FTX), do you think the idea of proof of reserves, getting popular right now with exchanges, will happen with casinos too in the future?
For big and regulated casino, it will happen in the future. While the small and unregulated casino, they're easy to avoid to get regulated until they make huge cash flow and get a radar from governments, so in the end they can't hide it anymore. Honestly I think a developed casino should try to expand their casino even though they need to tightening their rules, because people wouldn't really care with KYC as long as the site is really trusted. Of course, KYC is important in this casino to gain everyone's trust. If there is no security through deregulation then no one will believe it so easily. And to build a quality casino, they first need to gain trust from everyone. So that no one is deceived from here.
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December 29, 2022, 02:26:29 PM |
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This is the reason why somehow I like the government will get involvement in crypto since since there presence is really helpful if they regulate all the platform which involve money or investment because from this we can lessen up those scams and those people who do crimes will get caught up. Its just we need a heavy penalties like forever those scammers will get in jail for lifetime if they do such crime so that they get afraid to stole millions of dollars to any people online.
sorry but it makes no sense the FTX case is the proof that regulation can "protect" users only to some extent and in many cases will do exactly nothing FTX was regulated Sam is out of jail even after stealing 8 billion dollars from costumers Ross is in jail for 2 lifetimes plus some years the system is not fair ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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December 29, 2022, 08:11:06 PM |
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That's not going to happen anymore, no. The regulations for crypto are getting stricter and stricter all over the world, and this not only affects casinos but also exchanges. Exchanges must, for example, demand proof of origin for the deposited coins, if, for example, larger quantities come from unregulated casinos, they must not allow them to be deposited (and exchanged for USD, for example), otherwise they make themselves liable to prosecution.
In my opinion, the rather relaxed times of online crypto casinos are over and will not come back.
That's true. Recent debacles like the FTX crash and the Terra-LUNA crash made things worse for the cryptocurrency market on the whole and these are just a couple of reasons as to why regulations will keep increasing over time. Despite these issues, it's good to see more and more new, legit crypto gambling sites emerging. I am not entirely sure if we are only looking at just a bear market, we are looking at a crashed market that is crumbled right now and even injured if you like to call it that. We didn't just sell and the price went down, we are talking about a market that got hit by a lot of stuff and that causes it to be this low. Regulations are there to prevent these things, like if you invest your money into an exchange and trade there, regulations are there to prevent it from stealing your money. Places that are accepted by governments, such as coinbase, would not be able to steal your money and that is the important thing to see in this situation, regulations do matter, and they are there to protect you.
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December 29, 2022, 08:16:27 PM |
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~ This is the reason why somehow I like the government will get involvement in crypto since since there presence is really helpful if they regulate all the platform which involve money or investment because from this we can lessen up those scams and those people who do crimes will get caught up. Its just we need a heavy penalties like forever those scammers will get in jail for lifetime if they do such crime so that they get afraid to stole millions of dollars to any people online.
That is absurd, too much and strict regulation will limit ecosystem development, after all, in specifically what part of the cryptocurrency platform ecosystem do they need to regulate? entities that have centralized aspects surely will be subject to the applicable regulation. But do in mind, due to the true nature of cryptocurrencies, they can't simply touch cryptocurrencies. In fact, too much regulation intervention will harm instead of save it.
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