Wilder vs. Fury II: The Rematch is On

[South Park]

Dude... Wilder lost his title, and the closest opportunity to getting it back is via this rematch. No sane boxer would miss this kind of opportunity, no matter how outclassed they were.

If Wilder loses again in the 3rd fight, I don't think he would wear the "champ" belt for quite some time since Fury would move to the next opponent.

I have the same perspective, if Wilder has any desire to be a champion again then he will need to take the rematch fight immediately, even if he losses the next fight as well he has something to prove, he was completely dominated during this fight, he only put up mild resistance during the first two rounds and from there everything was about Fury, he at least needs to show he can present opposition to Fury or whatever legacy he wanted to create will go down the drain, and if he avoids the fight then the natural fight that will follow will be Fury vs Joshua and he will probably have to wait for years for another shot.

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I disagree on both points. Are we forgetting about the first fight where Wilder almost KO-d fury twice?

But that's all he's got. He's would need to start from scratch to put together more skills than simply waiting to unleash one huge punch. Most of his matches were a waiting game until that moment can happen. Since he didn't get started until 20 and is now 34 it would be pretty miraculous for him to be reborn as a fully rounded boxer.

I don't think that's all he's got and I think you're being a bit harsh. Fury was lucky to get up in the first fight and it's a miracle he did. I think the third fight will see a lot more of Wilder and regardless of when Wilder started he's clearly earned his place in the world of boxing. I'd much rather see this fight again than them both fight some bums because that's what will happen unless they can make the AJ fight happen but that will be off the cards soon, both with Wilder taking the rematch and AJ's next fight against Pulev is almost a done deal.

If he retains his main trainer then it's clear he's not very interested in changing or learning and the talk of going out on his shield is daffy. I would've had a corner clear out just like Fury.

I've no doubt he'll be sharper next time. That may not make him any better a boxer.

He's already sacked him apparently (which isn't surprising): https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/deontay-wilder-trainer-mark-breland-sacked-tyson-fury-rematch-jay-deas-a9356326.html

Why was Wilder not standing steadily after the 1st round? Was it the punch to the ear? The skeptical me reckons that someone put something in his water hehehe. Tyson Fury was also shown very relaxed before the fight and appeared to already know something hehehehee.

The excuse Wilder is claiming right now is that the walk out dress he was wearing was weighing 40 pounds and that tired his leg and so is the reason he was not able to perform  . After a defeat a fighter will come up with a thousand excuses to feed his ego and if they fight ten times again Fury is going to win all the time.

The maker of Fury's costume has come out and said the costume wouldn't have made a difference to his performance  :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/boxing/51634231

The designer of Tyson Fury’s boxing outfits has told BBC Radio 5 Live that Deontay Wilder’s ring-walk costume wouldn’t have impacted the result of the fight.

Melissa Anglesea is the creative director of Lancashire-based Suzi Wong. The company has made Tyson Fury's shorts and robes since the start of his boxing career.

Wilder told US media that Fury didn't actually hurt him, but he lost because his costume was too heavy meaning his legs were "shot" from the beginning of the fight.

Anglesea dismissed Wilder’s claim and said the costume worn by the American made “absolutely no ounce of difference".

Hopefully he won't have any excuses for the next fight.

I am not seeing him winning in the 3rd fight, not even split decision if it goes to 12 rounds.

If Wilder is smart he will fight others and then build up his resume once again and then call out Fury again, but i am also not expecting anything different if Fury and Wilder are to fight again.

If he was smart he'll take the Fury fight. He'd be stupid to throw away a chance to get his belt back and fight a fighter like Fury again, because if he doesn't take it now that he won't get another chance as Fury will move onto bigger things. This is the biggest money making fight he can take right now, win or lose, and the only person that has something to lose now is Fury. It would be a huge step back for him if he actually lost as AJ will likely then go for Wilder unless Fury has a rematch clause then here we go again  .

Are we sure we are all talking about the same guy? I mean Deontay Wilder literally went 42 matches without a loss, he had only one draw which was a lot of controversy but even if we consider that a loss, he would be 42 wins and 2 losses right now, he only has one loss which just happened in all of his career. Dude is also just 34 years old in a sport where even 40 years old people are fighting today, maybe not in his weight class but it certainly happens, with the advancement of technology and medicine sports players are playing well into their 40's now and he could very well do that as well.

I am not saying he will be a great boxer from now out, he had his best years behind him, but he could very well challenge for a new fight one day, which he might win or lose I don't know.

Yeah, I think people are being very harsh. One loss and they're making it out like he's done. Sure, he got shook in that fight but it can happen to the best of boxers. Nobody expected Fury to almost get KOd in the previous fight and he almost lost that one but one loss or draw doesn't take away from all their other achievements.

[JollyGood]

I did not say Wilder does not deserve another shot at Fury via the contract clause, all I said was that he should not invoke the re-match and instead take a break then come back fresh. He might be better off fighting a few lesser known opponents to build up confidence then arrange a fight for the heavyweight title.

Maybe you are right, Wilder might believe he will not get destroyed - let us see what happens because he still has around 27 days to force the re-match or tell the Fury camp he will not take it.

I honestly cannot see Wilder asking for a re-match - he knows Fury will destroy him again. If Wilder manages to unleash a powerful right hand and catches Fury off-guard he might win but he cannot out box and he cannot outclass Fury therefore another defeat for Wilder is the only result. If Wilder has a few warm-up fights beforehand then tries to get a fight with either Fury then he stands a better chance but inevitably Fury will destroy Wilder again regardless.

Wilder does not believe he will be destroyed again, he was a champion with only one defeat it's just good to give him another chance.. other reason is the money he will get in the 3rd match, and if Conor challenge Pacman to a fight even knowing he has no chance, why not give a chance to a real fighter like Wilder.

[DarkDays]

Are we sure we are all talking about the same guy? I mean Deontay Wilder literally went 42 matches without a loss, he had only one draw which was a lot of controversy but even if we consider that a loss, he would be 42 wins and 2 losses right now, he only has one loss which just happened in all of his career. Dude is also just 34 years old in a sport where even 40 years old people are fighting today, maybe not in his weight class but it certainly happens, with the advancement of technology and medicine sports players are playing well into their 40's now and he could very well do that as well.

I am not saying he will be a great boxer from now out, he had his best years behind him, but he could very well challenge for a new fight one day, which he might win or lose I don't know.

Who is he going to challenge?

Tyson Fury is likely going to fight AJ and grab all of the belts once he wins.

We can only assume that Deontay Wilder will execute his rematch with Fury and they'll fight next. Based on their previous performances, Fury will smash Wilder once again.

Then Fury will go and grab all the belts and become undisputed.

Do you really think that Wilder will get a title shot before he retires, given the fact that he would probably also get beaten by Oleksander Usyk and get knocked down the rankings?

Realistically I don't see him getting another title shot after he loses to Fury again in a few months.

[Natalim]

Realistically I don't see him getting another title shot after he loses to Fury again in a few months.

Well, he needs to win the 3rd fight so he will have a chance to retire being a champion and could potentially make more money in the possible 4th fight.
Though Wilder lose badly, but we can't deny the fact that this guy makes history having the most KO wins in all his fights and there still a lot of people who believes in him they'll want him fight again against Fury, believe me, this would be an epic fights for these two biggy in boxing sports.

[Welsh]

You know what. This whole excuse about the costume thing has left a sour taste in my mouth. I've never really supported Wilder, and I'm definitely a Fury fan, however I left that fight having a little bit of respect for Wilder for the way he refused to give in. I've seem boxers take dives before, and from a much less of a beating than Wilder was given. However, waking up to the news of Wilder's excuses regarding the costume, and his statements of "Fury didn't hurt me" has made me lose all respect for him. He had a better response inside that ring when he was still concussed, yet a few days later when hes had time to absorb the loss, and the embarrassment he comes out with these absurd claims. The fact that he would have had to try on that costume, and he still decided to take about 5 minutes to walk to the ring. I knew Wilder was a one dimensional fighter, but I didn't expect him to be so blind to the fact that a heavy costume doesn't make you bleed, and not be able to throw your arms.

Its just annoying. Fury was hoping to retire after 3 fights, and we now have to wait for the "big" fight against Joshua. I'm a Fury fan, so I want him to beat Joshua, rematch with his old pal Chisora, and then retire undefeated. I don't want him to not go out with a bang, because I think Fury is the type of person that needs to do things his own way or he could have issues mentally, and not feeling fulfilled. Unless, its a loss I actually think Fury would deal with a loss very well, because he absolutely knows he would have been bested, but if he doesn't get this fight with Joshua at all I fear for his mental health. I want him to have the chance to prove himself to the world as the best of the division. Plus, us fans are going to be in for a hell of a show. I will say, the rematch with Wilder isn't going to be a boring fight. Wilder still has that potential to catch him early, and change the fight completely. Although, what I will say. He would need to knock Fury clean out, because whenever Fury has been knocked down he gets back up, and tends to win the rest of the fight. I've never seen him completely rocked. Even, when he got tagged hard by Wilder last time he got back up without his legs betraying him or anything. It was a bit of a miracle that he woke up in time as he appeared completely out for a second or two, but once he was up he was completely there, and went on to win the round.

[Zicadis]

You know what. This whole excuse about the costume thing has left a sour taste in my mouth. I've never really supported Wilder, and I'm definitely a Fury fan, however I left that fight having a little bit of respect for Wilder for the way he refused to give in. I've seem boxers take dives before, and from a much less of a beating than Wilder was given. However, waking up to the news of Wilder's excuses regarding the costume, and his statements of "Fury didn't hurt me" has made me lose all respect for him. He had a better response inside that ring when he was still concussed, yet a few days later when hes had time to absorb the loss, and the embarrassment he comes out with these absurd claims. The fact that he would have had to try on that costume, and he still decided to take about 5 minutes to walk to the ring. I knew Wilder was a one dimensional fighter, but I didn't expect him to be so blind to the fact that a heavy costume doesn't make you bleed, and not be able to throw your arms.

Its just annoying. Fury was hoping to retire after 3 fights, and we now have to wait for the "big" fight against Joshua. I'm a Fury fan, so I want him to beat Joshua, rematch with his old pal Chisora, and then retire undefeated. I don't want him to not go out with a bang, because I think Fury is the type of person that needs to do things his own way or he could have issues mentally, and not feeling fulfilled. Unless, its a loss I actually think Fury would deal with a loss very well, because he absolutely knows he would have been bested, but if he doesn't get this fight with Joshua at all I fear for his mental health. I want him to have the chance to prove himself to the world as the best of the division. Plus, us fans are going to be in for a hell of a show. I will say, the rematch with Wilder isn't going to be a boring fight. Wilder still has that potential to catch him early, and change the fight completely. Although, what I will say. He would need to knock Fury clean out, because whenever Fury has been knocked down he gets back up, and tends to win the rest of the fight. I've never seen him completely rocked. Even, when he got tagged hard by Wilder last time he got back up without his legs betraying him or anything. It was a bit of a miracle that he woke up in time as he appeared completely out for a second or two, but once he was up he was completely there, and went on to win the round.

Well if the costume really did weigh 20kg like he said then I can see that it really would have had an effect on his performance. That said though, it's his own fault and he should not be complaining about it.

I can't imagine that it would have had such an effect on his performance, considering Fury dominated him from the first second of round 1.

As far as I'm aware Fury said he still has three fights on his contract with ESPN, that's after the recent Wilder fight. So that means we will probably get another Wilder rematch, then Anthony Joshua, and then hopefully Dillian Whyte. There's absolutely no point him fighting Chisora who has already been beaten by both Whyte and Fury, so I don't want to see an old Chisora get sparked out once again.

I think the last fight should be with somebody who really deserves the title shot at the time. Maybe Usyk, Kownacki or maybe even Daniel Dubois.

[TopTort777]

Just laughed out loud !

Deontay Wilder has blamed his loss to Tyson Fury on a heavy walk-in suit. This is the lamest excuse I've ever heard. If the suit was so heavy and this 5min walk make you tired - why would you even wear it ? And how could this 5 min walk with 18+ kg suit make a professional athlete tired ? He is a heavyweight, he didn't have to cut weight to fit in and lose strength.

18kg - what is it like? 1 dumbbell? I'm sure Wilder done some lunges with barbell or dumbbell, or walked with them during his camp.

5min walk with 18kg killed his legs. Tell this bs to Andy Ruiz and his 12 rounds vs AJ...

[TravelMug]

^^ LMAO, why did he not complain when he is not comfortable wearing them?

So many excuses from Wilder, it was really a different Wilder that night, maybe it's more of a mental issues that has been plaguing him going on to the fight, but blaming the suit itself?

And with that said, I don't think he will be ready for a rematch.

[mirakal]

I just believe that it's the mentality of the champion not to easily accept defeat so he would want another opportunity to fight Fury.
I think I am loving this match again, if he loses then he should not long for another match as fans would surely not gonna buy the fight and of course no promoter would promote a fight that would not sell.

I did not say Wilder does not deserve another shot at Fury via the contract clause, all I said was that he should not invoke the re-match and instead take a break then come back fresh. He might be better off fighting a few lesser known opponents to build up confidence then arrange a fight for the heavyweight title.

Maybe you are right, Wilder might believe he will not get destroyed - let us see what happens because he still has around 27 days to force the re-match or tell the Fury camp he will not take it.

I honestly cannot see Wilder asking for a re-match - he knows Fury will destroy him again. If Wilder manages to unleash a powerful right hand and catches Fury off-guard he might win but he cannot out box and he cannot outclass Fury therefore another defeat for Wilder is the only result. If Wilder has a few warm-up fights beforehand then tries to get a fight with either Fury then he stands a better chance but inevitably Fury will destroy Wilder again regardless.

Wilder does not believe he will be destroyed again, he was a champion with only one defeat it's just good to give him another chance.. other reason is the money he will get in the 3rd match, and if Conor challenge Pacman to a fight even knowing he has no chance, why not give a chance to a real fighter like Wilder.

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I did not say Wilder does not deserve another shot at Fury via the contract clause, all I said was that he should not invoke the re-match and instead take a break then come back fresh. He might be better off fighting a few lesser known opponents to build up confidence then arrange a fight for the heavyweight title.

Maybe you are right, Wilder might believe he will not get destroyed - let us see what happens because he still has around 27 days to force the re-match or tell the Fury camp he will not take it.

If he doesn't invoke it then he'll likely never get the opportunity to fight Fury ever again. If he didn't have a rematch clause Fury would have no reason to fight him and would move on to bigger and better things. The onyl reason Fury will fight him is because he's contractually obligated to if Wilder requests it.

Apparently Fury can possibly pay Wilder off to avoid the fight: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/11043664/tyson-fury-pay-off-wilder-joshua/

I think that would be silly though. Losing money compared to making boatloads on the rematch then fighting AJ after when they're both available. I'm not sure Wilder would take it either. He's set to make 40% of the purse from a rematch and then of course there's the huge perk of potentially winning the belt back.

Well if the costume really did weigh 20kg like he said then I can see that it really would have had an effect on his performance. That said though, it's his own fault and he should not be complaining about it.

I can't imagine that it would have had such an effect on his performance, considering Fury dominated him from the first second of round 1.

You seem to contradict yourself here. I don't really believe his excuse but if it did effect him then it would have effected him from the start since he was carrying all that weight in.

Just laughed out loud !

Deontay Wilder has blamed his loss to Tyson Fury on a heavy walk-in suit. This is the lamest excuse I've ever heard. If the suit was so heavy and this 5min walk make you tired - why would you even wear it ? And how could this 5 min walk with 18+ kg suit make a professional athlete tired ? He is a heavyweight, he didn't have to cut weight to fit in and lose strength.

18kg - what is it like? 1 dumbbell? I'm sure Wilder done some lunges with barbell or dumbbell, or walked with them during his camp.

5min walk with 18kg killed his legs. Tell this bs to Andy Ruiz and his 12 rounds vs AJ...

Well it would be 1 18kg dumbell. To be fair, that is pretty heavy, but the weight would have been spread out all over his torso so it would be easier to carry than say a mere dumbell or kettlebell, but it would give you some strain on your legs, but Wilder is a big guy and a professional athlete. He wasn't just wearing it for the 5 minute ringwalk either as he said he had it on for quite a while before the fight (could be bullshit though)

[btc_angela]

^^ LMAO, why did he not complain when he is not comfortable wearing them?

So many excuses from Wilder, it was really a different Wilder that night, maybe it's more of a mental issues that has been plaguing him going on to the fight, but blaming the suit itself?

And with that said, I don't think he will be ready for a rematch.

Maybe he was still in disbelief as to what happened that's why he most likely to found excuses after excuses. Until he settles down and accept that fact that he totally lost the fight fair and square, then he can't get over it. He needs to think hard, it might take a bit longer for him to be a champion again if he won't exercise that rematch clause. But at the same time, will he be ready mentality to face Tyson Fury after the two knock downs?

[Zicadis]

You seem to contradict yourself here. I don't really believe his excuse but if it did effect him then it would have effected him from the start since he was carrying all that weight in.

What I mean is it surely had an affect on his performance overall, but the difference wouldn't be so great as to cause him to get dominated from the first round.

Deontay Wilder is a world class athlete, carrying around 20kg isnt a huge amount of weight especially when distributed over your entire body, even if he was wearing it for 15 mins.

As such, I can see how he would be slightly tired in the first round, but not to the degree that he should get completely smashed by FUry from the first 10 seconds of round 1.

[JollyGood]

40% of the re-match purse still will many millions of USD$ but will it be enough to entice Wilder to trigger the re-match? He has well over 3 weeks to make up his mind, I am sure Wilder and his team will go over everything. Even if he triggers the clause for the re-match he might not be able to fight in the stipluated time-frame because it will take time after the operation on his ear to heal.

On the other side I cannot see Fury ever paying Wilder to not fight him even if it is part of the contract but it puts Wilder in an awkward position. As you said, if he does not fight Fury immediately via the contract clause then he might not get another opportunity to either fight Fury or fight for any of the heavyweight belts again.

I will be keeping a look out with interest for any news about this as soon as it breaks.

If he doesn't invoke it then he'll likely never get the opportunity to fight Fury ever again. If he didn't have a rematch clause Fury would have no reason to fight him and would move on to bigger and better things. The onyl reason Fury will fight him is because he's contractually obligated to if Wilder requests it.

Apparently Fury can possibly pay Wilder off to avoid the fight: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/11043664/tyson-fury-pay-off-wilder-joshua/

I think that would be silly though. Losing money compared to making boatloads on the rematch then fighting AJ after when they're both available. I'm not sure Wilder would take it either. He's set to make 40% of the purse from a rematch and then of course there's the huge perk of potentially winning the belt back.

[TopTort777]

I would never believe that Wilder didn't know how heavy this suit is and found it only when it was time to walk to the ring. Or that he was forced to wear it. The suit suits him so perfectly, so there 100% were some try on. Simply can't understand why he simply can not admit that Fury was and is stronger.

Telling such stupid excuses are simply disrespectful to his fans and other athletes.

[Sadlife]

Honestly didn't expect the way i want it to be i thought it would go just as the first fight but it seems fury didn't take chances in this one. Wilder got totally destroyed in that fight, it seems that the gypsy king figured him all out. Luckily i didn't bet on that.

The upcoming fight between ryan garcia and gervonta davis should be a hype match.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C2iqUgNJF/

 

You seem to contradict yourself here. I don't really believe his excuse but if it did effect him then it would have effected him from the start since he was carrying all that weight in.

What I mean is it surely had an affect on his performance overall, but the difference wouldn't be so great as to cause him to get dominated from the first round.

Deontay Wilder is a world class athlete, carrying around 20kg isnt a huge amount of weight especially when distributed over your entire body, even if he was wearing it for 15 mins.

As such, I can see how he would be slightly tired in the first round, but not to the degree that he should get completely smashed by FUry from the first 10 seconds of round 1.

Apparently he's self-outed himself on this. On the Joe Rogan podcast a few months ago he stated he trains with a weighted vest that is far heavier than his ringwalk outfit:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/footage-emerges-casts-doubt-deontay-21584457

Deontay Wilder's bewildering excuse for his defeat by Tyson Fury has been exposed - by the fighter's own interview.

The dethroned heavyweight champion claimed the extravagant outfit which he wore for his ring walk weakened his legs as he fell to a seventh-round stoppage defeat.

But footage has re-emerged of the American revealing he trains in a vest which is even heavier than his costume on Saturday night.

In the interview with Joe Rogan in 2018, Wilder says: "We do everything at rapid speed, if we do anything which consists of me moving my feet, it's a sprint.

"I wear a 45lb vest on me as well for all my exercises and everything I do to have the extra weight on."

I guess he could have been lying or exaggerating the first time but my money is on the excuse for his performance being the lie/exaggeration. 

40% of the re-match purse still will many millions of USD$ but will it be enough to entice Wilder to trigger the re-match? He has well over 3 weeks to make up his mind, I am sure Wilder and his team will go over everything. Even if he triggers the clause for the re-match he might not be able to fight in the stipluated time-frame because it will take time after the operation on his ear to heal.

What operation? Source? Apparently he just needed some stitches which will be long-healed by the time a rematch happens which will be in the summer if it goes ahead.

[Zicadis]

Honestly didn't expect the way i want it to be i thought it would go just as the first fight but it seems fury didn't take chances in this one. Wilder got totally destroyed in that fight, it seems that the gypsy king figured him all out. Luckily i didn't bet on that.

The upcoming fight between ryan garcia and gervonta davis should be a hype match.

Was this even announced? I really don't think these two are going to fight eachother any time soon.

Both want to maintain their perfect record so that they can keep climbing the rankings and become mandatory for a title shot.

It would be dangerous to fight this early. If they did though, Garcia would either win on points, or get sparked out. I guess this fight would be like a miniature version of Fury vs Wilder lol.

[JollyGood]

I thought an operation was required. Thank you for correcting me.

40% of the re-match purse still will many millions of USD$ but will it be enough to entice Wilder to trigger the re-match? He has well over 3 weeks to make up his mind, I am sure Wilder and his team will go over everything. Even if he triggers the clause for the re-match he might not be able to fight in the stipluated time-frame because it will take time after the operation on his ear to heal.

What operation? Source? Apparently he just needed some stitches which will be long-healed by the time a rematch happens which will be in the summer if it goes ahead.

[Natalim]

There was no operation required to Wilder, he was just severely injured so he is advise to rest 6 weeks of no sparring in boxing.
He will be back fighting again and we will a trilogy but I'm sure you guys still root for the same guy and for sure Fury would be a heavy favorite here.

I thought an operation was required. Thank you for correcting me.

40% of the re-match purse still will many millions of USD$ but will it be enough to entice Wilder to trigger the re-match? He has well over 3 weeks to make up his mind, I am sure Wilder and his team will go over everything. Even if he triggers the clause for the re-match he might not be able to fight in the stipluated time-frame because it will take time after the operation on his ear to heal.

What operation? Source? Apparently he just needed some stitches which will be long-healed by the time a rematch happens which will be in the summer if it goes ahead.