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January 19, 2020, 04:08:17 AM
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And now that this fight is already set in stone, we will be seeing a nice showdown of great fighters this early in the year. I will not be predicting at this stage. I am torn 50:50 on both fighters. Both are obviously capable enough to defeat each other. Wilder is a strong one-puncher, as proven in their last battle, but we also saw how Fury proved that he is man enough to withstand it and make a draw.
This will be as good as the fight one, or even better, if the fight out turns out a draw, probably we will see a winner here as for sure Fury will adjust and he will make sure he will not be rob again, while Wilder is looking for a one time kO.

My idea is that this is going to be much better than the previous one. There is already increasing bad blood between the two in this match compared to their first match. Words are getting sharper and harsher. This will probably end up in a KO. There is more excitement and the anticipation is higher in this second fight.

It is indeed higher but if anyone of them will be more careful is Fury he was down twice in the fight, Wilder can score a big knock out here if he can land big punches in the early round, the big problem is Fury is such a good technical boxer, his hands are very fast and can always land, anyone who wins the match will have a megabuck fight against Joshua.

Either of both fighters deserve a win after this match. It seems Fury can win this fight if he is not caught with a straight that would put him to sleep on the canvas. Wilder has the punch but if that punch won't put an end to the fight, Fury can still earn point after point and make winning rounds. I just wish Fury would leave away the nonsense taunting and showboating inside the ring. They are unnecessary.
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January 19, 2020, 06:28:18 AM
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Either of both fighters deserve a win after this match. It seems Fury can win this fight if he is not caught with a straight that would put him to sleep on the canvas.
Well, Fury was down 2 times in the last fight if I count it correctly but he was able to get up and fight as nothing happens,, therefore I would say that he can take the punch of Fury, but it that knock down happens in the early round, it could be different.

Wilder has the punch but if that punch won't put an end to the fight, Fury can still earn point after point and make winning rounds. I just wish Fury would leave away the nonsense taunting and showboating inside the ring. They are unnecessary.
That's his style, and that's what makes him gain the support of the fans, though he is taunting but his action speaks as well.

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January 19, 2020, 05:35:34 PM
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Well, Fury was down 2 times in the last fight if I count it correctly but he was able to get up and fight as nothing happens,, therefore I would say that he can take the punch of Fury, but it that knock down happens in the early round, it could be different.
Wilder was not even able to connect the punch for most of the entire fight until he connected one in the final bouts and Fury went down and he is the first fighter that got up from a Wilder punch and then went on to win the rest of the rounds. Tyson Fury now predicts that he is going to knock out Wilder but i am sure Fury knows that it is impossible for him to win a decision in the US.
 
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January 19, 2020, 07:28:48 PM
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Find out recently, that Fury had changed his coach. As I understood, he expects, that new coach will teach him how to KO Wilder (as he said, he could have done it in first fight, but don't have enough strength to do it)
The knockout power is something that cannot be coached, either you got the power or you do not and Wilder is the scariest knockout fighter i have seen considering the size and weight in the heavyweight division in a long time and Tyson Fury is all about technical. I saw the press conference but it was a bit boring.

Well if you have a great coach + God given talents then that is one potent combination.

And if everything is presents itself to you, even a non knock out puncher can literally smash someone and knock them cold. But I would agree that Fury shouldn't look for the knock out here, I mean he is a technical boxer, he should use it because it was really effective against Fury in their first fight. But as I have said, he was caught in the last round, but miraculously was able to get up finished the fight. He had tasted Fury's power, he just need to adjust again in order to win in their rematch.

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January 19, 2020, 07:34:04 PM
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Wilder was not even able to connect the punch for most of the entire fight until he connected one in the final bouts and Fury went down and he is the first fighter that got up from a Wilder punch
Deontay Wilder does not need to connect every punch and throughout his career his fighting strategy is simple all he needs is to have the patience and wait for the opportunity to land his knockout punch and once it is connected they are going down and Tyson Fury is the only fighter that got up after getting connected with a Deontay Wilder knockout punch and so is the reason the rematch is interesting.
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January 20, 2020, 03:09:49 AM
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Either of both fighters deserve a win after this match. It seems Fury can win this fight if he is not caught with a straight that would put him to sleep on the canvas.
Well, Fury was down 2 times in the last fight if I count it correctly but he was able to get up and fight as nothing happens,, therefore I would say that he can take the punch of Fury, but it that knock down happens in the early round, it could be different.

Fury could take the punch of Wilder you mean? Yes, I agree. Wilder is a strong puncher but not a volume puncher. He lacks the follow up to put Fury down once again very quickly right after the previous one. Because of that, Fury could have enough time to recover.

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Wilder has the punch but if that punch won't put an end to the fight, Fury can still earn point after point and make winning rounds. I just wish Fury would leave away the nonsense taunting and showboating inside the ring. They are unnecessary.
That's his style, and that's what makes him gain the support of the fans, though he is taunting but his action speaks as well.

I guess this second match is going to be a little different. He cannot be as relaxed as before.
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January 20, 2020, 06:37:41 PM
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Either of both fighters deserve a win after this match. It seems Fury can win this fight if he is not caught with a straight that would put him to sleep on the canvas.
Well, Fury was down 2 times in the last fight if I count it correctly but he was able to get up and fight as nothing happens,, therefore I would say that he can take the punch of Fury, but it that knock down happens in the early round, it could be different.

Fury could take the punch of Wilder you mean? Yes, I agree. Wilder is a strong puncher but not a volume puncher. He lacks the follow up to put Fury down once again very quickly right after the previous one. Because of that, Fury could have enough time to recover.
I will agree with you on this one if their last fight dont end in a controversial way and with all the statement made by Fury on Instagram challenging Wilder calling him a room trainer, i dont think the previous fight should be use to judge Wilder action in the upcoming fight.



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Wilder has the punch but if that punch won't put an end to the fight, Fury can still earn point after point and make winning rounds. I just wish Fury would leave away the nonsense taunting and showboating inside the ring. They are unnecessary.
That's his style, and that's what makes him gain the support of the fans, though he is taunting but his action speaks as well.

I guess this second match is going to be a little different. He cannot be as relaxed as before.
I Fundamental Fury need to keep his taunting cause there's no need for that cause he need to focus most on the fight and hos opponet strategy which is also what Anthony did to regain his belt.

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January 20, 2020, 07:18:04 PM
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I will agree with you on this one if their last fight dont end in a controversial way and with all the statement made by Fury on Instagram challenging Wilder calling him a room trainer,
Tyson Fury is known to crack jokes and that is the way he is normally and there is no doubt that the first fight was controversial because if you take the rounds then it is clear that Tyson Fury won majority of the rounds but Wilder had a few good moments in the entire fight and even after getting knocked out Fury was landing punches till the final bell.

i dont think the previous fight should be use to judge Wilder action in the upcoming fight.
Both the fighters now have a clear understanding about the opponent and so it is really interesting on how they are going to game plan this fight, will Wilder wait till the last moment to land the knockout punch or Fury will avoid that.
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January 21, 2020, 08:26:53 PM
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I will agree with you on this one if their last fight don't end in a controversial way and with all the statement made by Fury on Instagram challenging Wilder calling him a room trainer,
Tyson Fury is known to crack jokes and that is the way he is normally and there is no doubt that the first fight was controversial because if you make the rounds then it is clear that Tyson Fury won majority of the rounds but Wilder had a few good moments in the entire fight and even after getting knocked out Fury was landing punches till the final bell.
This is one of the reasons why their previous fight was controversial because Wilder worth to be winning the fight due to the punches he landed on Fury's body but the upcoming fight will clear all the doubt though.




i dont think the previous fight should be use to judge Wilder action in the upcoming fight.
Both the fighters now have a clear understanding about the opponent and so it is really interesting on how they are going to game plan this fight, will Wilder wait till the last moment to land the knockout punch or Fury will avoid that.
You're right cause i also believe both fighters have somehow understand each either but i dont think Wilder will wait till the last moment before he unleash his knockout punch.

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January 21, 2020, 10:46:06 PM
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Well, Fury was down 2 times in the last fight if I count it correctly but he was able to get up and fight as nothing happens,, therefore I would say that he can take the punch of Fury, but it that knock down happens in the early round, it could be different.
Wilder was not even able to connect the punch for most of the entire fight until he connected one in the final bouts and Fury went down and he is the first fighter that got up from a Wilder punch and then went on to win the rest of the rounds. Tyson Fury now predicts that he is going to knock out Wilder but i am sure Fury knows that it is impossible for him to win a decision in the US.
 
Fury is strong, but he got careless because he got knock down in the fight, he should avoid that in order for him to win.
He has the advantage on the height and the reach I guess, so he needs to just calm down, stick around and just continue to the scoring, without a knock down by Wilder in fight number 1, Fury could have won the fight easily, probably a UD.

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January 21, 2020, 11:51:13 PM
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Well, Fury was down 2 times in the last fight if I count it correctly but he was able to get up and fight as nothing happens,, therefore I would say that he can take the punch of Fury, but it that knock down happens in the early round, it could be different.
Wilder was not even able to connect the punch for most of the entire fight until he connected one in the final bouts and Fury went down and he is the first fighter that got up from a Wilder punch and then went on to win the rest of the rounds. Tyson Fury now predicts that he is going to knock out Wilder but i am sure Fury knows that it is impossible for him to win a decision in the US.
 
Fury is strong, but he got careless because he got knock down in the fight, he should avoid that in order for him to win.
He has the advantage on the height and the reach I guess, so he needs to just calm down, stick around and just continue to the scoring, without a knock down by Wilder
If that be the issue, then Fury have to left aside all his fighting entertainment skills (taunting and showboating) and focus more on his opponent just like the Clash of the dunes which some people criticized not be fascinating or else Wilder will knock him down more than he expect.


in fight number 1, Fury could have won the fight easily, probably a UD.
Dont have a clue of what you mean by UD.

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in fight number 1, Fury could have won the fight easily, probably a UD.
Dont have a clue of what you mean by UD.

UD means Unanimous decision.. well, he could have won that as he dominated most of the rounds, but that knock down were able to gave Wilder a chance to make it a close fight and it was announce as DRAW in the end.

in this rematch, anyone thinking of taking the DRAW again? in my book the odds is x16

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January 22, 2020, 08:56:03 AM
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in fight number 1, Fury could have won the fight easily, probably a UD.
Dont have a clue of what you mean by UD.

UD means Unanimous decision.. well, he could have won that as he dominated most of the rounds, but that knock down were able to gave Wilder a chance to make it a close fight and it was announce as DRAW in the end.

in this rematch, anyone thinking of taking the DRAW again? in my book the odds is x16

Damn, what are the odds that it will ended up in a draw? Anyways, I don't think it will ended the same, both fighters have seen the strength and weaknesses and I'm sure that they will try to negate it. Fury is shouting that he is looking for a KO (knock-out), and not let everything go on the hands of the judges because the first fight was very controversial. Him dominating Wilder in the early rounds is enough for him to win in my scorecard.

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January 22, 2020, 11:49:03 AM
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Fury is shouting that he is looking for a KO (knock-out), and not let everything go on the hands of the judges because the first fight was very controversial.
If he can do that, if I am not mistake, Wilder was never been knock down because this guy is strong and can easily recover.

Him dominating Wilder in the early rounds is enough for him to win in my scorecard.

Fury's style is not the problem, in the eyes of the many, he won the fight, maybe this time, they need to have a more credible judges and avoid getting knock down again, that's the only thing he has to do and he'll win.
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January 22, 2020, 11:50:28 AM
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Fury is shouting that he is looking for a KO (knock-out), and not let everything go on the hands of the judges because the first fight was very controversial.
If he can do that, if I am not mistake, Wilder was never been knock down because this guy is strong and can easily recover.

Him dominating Wilder in the early rounds is enough for him to win in my scorecard.

Fury's style is not the problem, in the eyes of the many, he won the fight, maybe this time, they need to have a more credible judges and avoid getting knock down again, that's the only thing he has to do and he'll win.

Fury's style can be his biggest advantage. Intelligent defensive for the whole night might be the one and only thing to stop Bronze Bomber.
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January 22, 2020, 02:34:00 PM
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he could have won that as he dominated most of the rounds, but that knock down were able to gave Wilder a chance to make it a close fight and it was announce as DRAW in the end.

in this rematch, anyone thinking of taking the DRAW again? in my book the odds is x16
The reason we have rounds is to score the fights according to the rounds won and anyone who saw the fight know who won the rounds and if someone lands a good punch in two rounds in a 12 round fight and because Wilder landed the heaviest punch does not mean that it was a close fight, in all of the fights Wilder is involved he just want to land a punch to win the fight as he looses most of the rounds in the scorecard and in the fight against Fury he landed the punch in the late rounds but that was not enough to win the fight and the decision should have gone to Fury for winning most of the rounds.
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January 22, 2020, 02:51:42 PM
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The reason we have rounds is to score the fights according to the rounds won and anyone who saw the fight know who won the rounds and if someone lands a good punch in two rounds in a 12 round fight and because Wilder landed the heaviest punch does not mean that it was a close fight, in all of the fights Wilder is involved he just want to land a punch to win the fight as he looses most of the rounds in the scorecard and in the fight against Fury he landed the punch in the late rounds but that was not enough to win the fight and the decision should have gone to Fury for winning most of the rounds.
I know that score per round is very important on determining the winner if and only both fighters never get down to canvass. But if someone get even a single knockdown, the scoring will be greatly affected and everything will shift in favor of the opposing fighter. And what I think of it is fair, because iny opinion the impact and damage you've done is still the main basis of this game after all Grin. Once your back touch the ground at the 12th round, all of your consistency on the last 11 rounds will suddenly washed out. But well it still depends on how you struggle on getting up (that's why I think they end up to draw. Fury doesn't get hurt too much on that knockdown).
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January 22, 2020, 10:25:18 PM
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Ok, I've been hearing this news as of late, the Klitschko knock out Wilder during one of their sparring. I would understand the situation then, because that time Wilder is still green and just a young prospect. But Whyte is the one that spread this rumour, so Klitschko's training denied the Wilder was knock out cold, but he did say that he was knock down.

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"I've seen him getting knocked out," Whyte told Sky Sports. "Wladimir knocked him out. It wasn't no knockdown, he was knocked cold. Properly twitching as well. That's why they probably didn't want him to fight Wlad, because Wlad was going to fight him as a pro and Wilder never fancied it the whole time."

From Johnathon Banks, who took over the training duties of former heavyweight king Wladimir Klitschko after Emanuel Steward passed away in 2012

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"Did Wilder get knocked out cold in sparring by Wladimir? No, that's the truth it didn't happen. Did he get dropped? Yes he did."

https://www.boxingscene.com/klitschkos-trainer-wilder-not-get-knocked-out-he-get-dropped--146101

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January 22, 2020, 10:50:41 PM
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Don't know why people even bring up sparring, and why even mention it when Wilder was just a youngblood against the unified heavyweight champion... Seems pointless.

Practically everybody has been dropped at some point either in sparring or in the amateurs, most of the time nobody is around to talk about it, and especially in the higher ranks it all gets hushed up.

However, I really don't think there's much to draw from it, since no man is impervious to getting dropped by the right punch.

And with a guy like Wladimir who hits like a truck, this is doubly true.
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January 22, 2020, 11:11:27 PM
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in fight number 1, Fury could have won the fight easily, probably a UD.
Dont have a clue of what you mean by UD.

UD means Unanimous decision.. well, he could have won that as he dominated most of the rounds, but that knock down were able to gave Wilder a chance to make it a close fight and it was announce as DRAW in the end.

in this rematch, anyone thinking of taking the DRAW again? in my book the odds is x16


Anyways, I don't think it will ended the same, both fighters have seen the strength and weaknesses and I'm sure that they will try to negate it. Fury is shouting that he is looking for a KO (knock-out), and not let everything go on the hands of the judges because the first fight was very controversial. Him dominating Wilder in the early rounds is enough for him to win in my scorecard.
You guys are both right about Fury performances but nothing is impossible buddy. However, I'm sure the two fighters will want to settle the scores for real this time and I'm pretty sure Wilder won't take it easy on Fury because he has said too much on Instagram.


Damn, what are the odds that it will ended up in a draw?
x16 as he has mentioned before.

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