Wilder vs. Fury II: The Rematch is On

[bbc.reporter]

The career of Wilder is definitely not over but he is 34 years old and even so he still has time to try to get a shot at the title again but it would be better for him to take some time out and fix those issues that he had in his personal life before he went in to the Fury fight. After that he should have two or three warm up fights before trying to set up a title shot against whoever holds the bests and anyway by then he might be the no1 mandatory fighter which would allow him to get another chance at being heavyweight world champion again.

What personal issues? Wilder was at the top of his game and held the belt, so he's not going to vacate it or have a few warm up fights with nobodies. Fighting a few bums is pointless when you can fight the best of the rest and make the big bucks doing so. I'm sure we'll see a different Wilder in the rematch and I doubt he'll make the same mistakes again.

Well, according to some news outlets Wilder has said there's going to be a third fight. He's also fired the guy who threw in the towel/saved his bacon. It's talking about a July date. The cause of his wobbly legs was his unusual ring entry costume according to him. Fair enough.

Well that's his excuse. Not sure I buy it, but if true then he doesn't have anyone else to blame. These costumes they come out in are getting a bit silly, especially if they're effecting their game.

Why was Wilder not standing steadily after the 1st round? Was it the punch to the ear? The skeptical me reckons that someone put something in his water hehehe. Tyson Fury was also shown very relaxed before the fight and appeared to already know something hehehehee.

Why don't you track down Tyson Fury and ask him to punch you in the face and head repeatedly and see how your legs are after it. Or maybe it will be something in your water when you struggle to stand? 

Hehehehe. That would be funny, yes. It was the skeptical me that was thinking about it. However, I am very happy he won because he was my bet.

Watch the fight again and witness the strangeness of Deontay Wilder's unsteadiness after the 1st round.

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[NavI_027]

I can't get over with Wilder's loss. Now we realized how overhyped he was (I admit that I also predict that Wilder can pull this off lol). *sigh Fury deserve it, it was a clean win so there's nothing to talk about it. Even how hard Wilder make excuses, it will never sell to the fans because he was obviously wasted.

Check this meme LMFAO!


The tables have turned, He is no longer the baddest man on the planet .

[mich]

Welp not as many subscription buys as many predicted

Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury estimated at 800K to 850K PPV buys

Wilder-Fury 2 PPV totals below Arum’s 2 million buy projection

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/02/deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-estimated-at-800k-to-850k-ppv-buys-sources/

[Kasabus]

Welp not as many subscription buys as many predicted

Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury estimated at 800K to 850K PPV buys

Wilder-Fury 2 PPV totals below Arum’s 2 million buy projection

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/02/deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-estimated-at-800k-to-850k-ppv-buys-sources/

The estimate of Arum was 2 million PPV buys, he overestimated it, lol.

per https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-2-ppv-price-cost/yrcn6qcqctb91ea24k4mm25jv

The PPV price is  $79.99 so if we go to the maximum estimated of 850K, that's almost $68 million,.. that's still a lot of money.
Well, if there is a trilogy, I think the PPV buys would be lower than the recent one.

[TopTort777]

Check this meme LMFAO!

If they make a trilogy, it will be a nice trolling move from Fury to also walk out in some funny suit. But Wilder should walk out in wheel chair, to that will save him from being tired.

Or they both can take lessons from Akihiro Gono ufc 94 walk out 



Or:


Boxing walk out's are so boring nowadays. Wish old dream/pride walk out's get back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxaNj3UaM

[Kemarit]

Welp not as many subscription buys as many predicted

Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury estimated at 800K to 850K PPV buys

Wilder-Fury 2 PPV totals below Arum’s 2 million buy projection

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/02/deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-estimated-at-800k-to-850k-ppv-buys-sources/

Arum usually made exorbitant predictions as far as PPV goes, of course he is going to do it because he is the promoter of Tyson Fury. As far as the ear goes, it was just a cut, that's why the ring physician allowed the fight to continue. I was also the impression that he has rapture his ear drum or something that's why his balance is not there.

@NavI_027 - I wouldn't call Wilder over-hype though, not just his night and he face the better man that night. He held the belt for many years, if he is over-hype, he should have lost it and his name wouldn't be in the discussions for the best heavyweight of today.

[JollyGood]

 

What excuse would he have next time?

He will not be able use the "my costume weight 40 pounds so I was tired before the fight started" excuse again...

If they make a trilogy, it will be a nice trolling move from Fury to also walk out in some funny suit. But Wilder should walk out in wheel chair, to that will save him from being tired.

[South Park]

I can't get over with Wilder's loss. Now we realized how overhyped he was (I admit that I also predict that Wilder can pull this off lol). *sigh Fury deserve it, it was a clean win so there's nothing to talk about it. Even how hard Wilder make excuses, it will never sell to the fans because he was obviously wasted.

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The tables have turned, He is no longer the baddest man on the planet .

There was obviously some level of hype surrounding Wilder but that was to be expected since before that fight he was undefeated and the way he defeated his opponents was really impressive with all of those knockouts, to me this was simply about Fury not only being the best boxer but also about being smarter than Wilder, Fury realized that if he gave space to Wilder he could unleash that brutal right hand on him, so instead of playing it safe he went for Wilder, this not only surprised Wilder but put him in a position he was not expecting and without the required space and the additional weight he was carrying unleashing the full potential of his right hand became something impossible for him.

[Welsh]

Well if the costume really did weigh 20kg like he said then I can see that it really would have had an effect on his performance. That said though, it's his own fault and he should not be complaining about it.

I can't imagine that it would have had such an effect on his performance, considering Fury dominated him from the first second of round 1.

As far as I'm aware Fury said he still has three fights on his contract with ESPN, that's after the recent Wilder fight. So that means we will probably get another Wilder rematch, then Anthony Joshua, and then hopefully Dillian Whyte. There's absolutely no point him fighting Chisora who has already been beaten by both Whyte and Fury, so I don't want to see an old Chisora get sparked out once again.

I think the last fight should be with somebody who really deserves the title shot at the time. Maybe Usyk, Kownacki or maybe even Daniel Dubois.

Although, I'd agree that there are better fights for the fans than Chisora. Fury, and Chisora are personal friends, and Fury has always hinted giving him another fight whether that was sarcastic was hard to be determined considering the context that it was said. I'm not sure about you, but having a trilogy almost 3 fights in a row just takes everything out of the last two fights. Usually, trilogy fights are over a period of time, but we'll be having 3 fights within 4 fights for each fighter which in my opinion is too soon. Personally, I believe the better option would be to have a break, and allow Fury vs Joshua. Then whoever wins that can vs Wilder again. I'll be routing for Fury, but lets just say that Joshua wins it. It would still be worthwhile for Wilder to fight Fury after Joshua just because he still has something to prove.

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Watch the fight again and witness the strangeness of Deontay Wilder's unsteadiness after the 1st round.

From the opening bell Tyson Fury was aggressive and taking the fight to Wilder and he was rocked badly and eating punches from the start and in the third round he was floored with a great over hand right and then he was wobbly throughout the fight and he was floored again with a body shot and he was completely humiliated and the biggest humiliation is the excuse he comes up for the defeat rather than giving props to Fury for been the better fighter.

[NavI_027]

@NavI_027 - I wouldn't call Wilder over-hype though, not just his night and he face the better man that night. He held the belt for many years, if he is over-hype, he should have lost it and his name wouldn't be in the discussions for the best heavyweight of today.

Hmm, fair enough. So much better if we say he is overrated ?

There was obviously some level of hype surrounding Wilder but that was to be expected since before that fight he was undefeated and the way he defeated his opponents was really impressive with all of those knockouts, to me this was simply about Fury not only being the best boxer but also about being smarter than Wilder

Indeed, plus his strong determination to beat Wilder down. We can see it on his eyes and statements . We knew he came from a loss due to the same opponent beforea and for sure he don't want things repeat again, that's the best fuel he can use to for reaching his goal and fortunately he made it. How entertaining to watch a fight where the underdog wins.

[JollyGood]

It seems like a good take on things, I agree with you.

- Wilder should not invoke the clause for a re-match, instead should take time out and recuperate

- Fury and Joshua should fight to be undisputed heavyweight champion (I also go for Fury to win)

- Wilder should have at least two warm-up fights or become number one contender before he should fight the then heavyweight champion of the world

Fury is 29 now, he is absolutely loaded as far as cash is concerned. Just one more fight would be enough to fill the coffers further and if he beats Joshua then he could easily retire but there are problems. He signed a 5 fight deal with BT Sport/ESPN for around £80 million. Joshua has a fight deal with DAZN/Sky Sports and Wilder has a Showtime contract.

Let us see what happens with Wilder and his team, will they invoke the re-match clause or not?

Although, I'd agree that there are better fights for the fans than Chisora. Fury, and Chisora are personal friends, and Fury has always hinted giving him another fight whether that was sarcastic was hard to be determined considering the context that it was said. I'm not sure about you, but having a trilogy almost 3 fights in a row just takes everything out of the last two fights. Usually, trilogy fights are over a period of time, but we'll be having 3 fights within 4 fights for each fighter which in my opinion is too soon. Personally, I believe the better option would be to have a break, and allow Fury vs Joshua. Then whoever wins that can vs Wilder again. I'll be routing for Fury, but lets just say that Joshua wins it. It would still be worthwhile for Wilder to fight Fury after Joshua just because he still has something to prove.

[bbc.reporter]

What excuse would he have next time?

He will not be able use the "my costume weight 40 pounds so I was tired before the fight started" excuse again...

If they make a trilogy, it will be a nice trolling move from Fury to also walk out in some funny suit. But Wilder should walk out in wheel chair, to that will save him from being tired.

I reckon that there might be a serious head injury that Wilder does not want everyone to know. His ear was bleeding from the hole after a punch on the 1st round and he was never standing steadily after that.

The fluids in his ear that is responsible for balance might have been shaken very hard and it might have caused a form of vertigo.

In any case, agreed! Wilder should not invoke the rematch clause. His boxing career will be destroyed if he loses versus Gypsy King again.

[smyslov]

Have you all read the so many excuses Wilder is putting in his defeat to Fury, he is blaming everybody but himself, blaming the trainer, blaming the suit, blaming the referee, I will not be surprised if the next one that he is going to blame is Fury by not following the script and beat him to the pulp.

[Jating]

What excuse would he have next time?

He will not be able use the "my costume weight 40 pounds so I was tired before the fight started" excuse again...

If they make a trilogy, it will be a nice trolling move from Fury to also walk out in some funny suit. But Wilder should walk out in wheel chair, to that will save him from being tired.

I reckon that there might be a serious head injury that Wilder does not want everyone to know. His ear was bleeding from the hole after a punch on the 1st round and he was never standing steadily after that.

The fluids in his ear that is responsible for balance might have been shaken very hard and it might have caused a form of vertigo.

In any case, agreed! Wilder should not invoke the rematch clause. His boxing career will be destroyed if he loses versus Gypsy King again.

Wilder himself says that the injury he suffered from his ear didn't affect him. And it was a cut, the blood comes from the cut and not some ear drum.

That small cut required seven stitches when Wilder went to a Las Vegas hospital following his first professional defeat. Doctors told him, though, that he didn’t sustain eardrum damage, nor did he suffer a concussion.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-bleeding-from-ear-affect-me-all-no-eardrum-damage--147112

However, what makes it somewhat not 'classy' for him is blaming the custome he wore for his performance.

Deontay Wilder says he was adversely affected by the 40-plus-pound costume he wore into the ring Saturday night, Tyson Fury’s fouls and referee Kenny Bayless’ unwillingness to enforce the rules. (photo by Ryan Hafey)

[Finestream]

Have you all read the so many excuses Wilder is putting in his defeat to Fury, he is blaming everybody but himself, blaming the trainer, blaming the suit, blaming the referee, I will not be surprised if the next one that he is going to blame is Fury by not following the script and beat him to the pulp.

He does not accept defeat, he is not a real champion.
I don't think he will be champion again with that kind of attitude, if he likes to improve and be back on the top, he needs to accept his mistake and correct it, that's the real attitude he needs for him to evaluate the game and to see what he did wrong. Never blame the costume as its his will to wear it.

[suzanne5223]

Have you all read the so many excuses Wilder is putting in his defeat to Fury, he is blaming everybody but himself, blaming the trainer, blaming the suit, blaming the referee, I will not be surprised if the next one that he is going to blame is Fury by not following the script and beat him to the pulp.

He does not accept defeat, he is not a real champion.
I don't think he will be champion again with that kind of attitude, if he likes to improve and be back on the top, he needs to accept his mistake and correct it, that's the real attitude he needs for him to evaluate the game and to see what he did wrong. Never blame the costume as its his will to wear it.

You guys simply said that because you dont understand but I'm still surprised where Smyslov read what he said about Wilder because i never heard or read anything like that and the last time i checked this was what Wilder said.

Deontay Wilder: “He didn’t hurt me at all, but the simple fact is my uniform was way too heavy for me. I didn’t have no legs from the beginning of the fight… I didn’t think it was going to be that heavy. It weighed 40lbs with the helmet and all the batteries.
Wilder also confirmed that he will trigger the rematch clause for a trilogy fight with Tyson Fury

[Welsh]

Well if the costume really did weigh 20kg like he said then I can see that it really would have had an effect on his performance. That said though, it's his own fault and he should not be complaining about it.

I can't imagine that it would have had such an effect on his performance, considering Fury dominated him from the first second of round 1.

As far as I'm aware Fury said he still has three fights on his contract with ESPN, that's after the recent Wilder fight. So that means we will probably get another Wilder rematch, then Anthony Joshua, and then hopefully Dillian Whyte. There's absolutely no point him fighting Chisora who has already been beaten by both Whyte and Fury, so I don't want to see an old Chisora get sparked out once again.

I think the last fight should be with somebody who really deserves the title shot at the time. Maybe Usyk, Kownacki or maybe even Daniel Dubois.

Missed some of your points in my last reply so here it goes;

Potentially could have an effect. However, he's an elite athlete, has discussed on Joe Rogan's podcast that he routinely uses a weighted jacket close to 40lbs, and the fact that a non athlete like myself uses a 50lbs weighted jacket to supplement my work outs, and feel absolutely amazing when I take it off I'd like to think a professional athlete would be able to last 2 rounds without showing signs of fatigue like he did. Well, to be honest from my observations he didn't show fatigue until getting hit in the head several times. Before, the first knock down he actually tagged Fury with some big hits as Fury was leaving himself open due to his aggressive nature of that fight.

Also, the promoters will not risk Dubois. Dubois is an up and coming fighter who will be protected just like Anthony Joshua, and most other big names are protected at first. Think Wilder, and how he hasn't really fought anyone noteworthy except for Ortiz, and Fury. Dubois will have a few years of "tune up" fights before setting foot in the ring with anyone big. Fury would be a big risk at this early stage of his career, and considering Fury is considered to be in his prime I can't see that being good for Dubois who still needs a little work.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Have you all read the so many excuses Wilder is putting in his defeat to Fury, he is blaming everybody but himself, blaming the trainer, blaming the suit, blaming the referee, I will not be surprised if the next one that he is going to blame is Fury by not following the script and beat him to the pulp.

It is obvious that the big ego of Wilder was dented by this defeat as he cannot accept the loss and he is trying to find reasons for having his first loss in his career and i am not expecting any major changes in the fight game of Wilder as he never tried to change for over ten years and he was successful with his one dimensional approach and intimidation and Fury just fought the perfect game plan.

[DarkDays]

Have you all read the so many excuses Wilder is putting in his defeat to Fury, he is blaming everybody but himself, blaming the trainer, blaming the suit, blaming the referee, I will not be surprised if the next one that he is going to blame is Fury by not following the script and beat him to the pulp.

Lmao, what did he say about the referee?

Honestly, if his corner stopped the fight because he thought he busted his ear drum, then I can understand why Wilder would be angry... He didn't have a busted eardrum.

But they should have been able to communicate that during the breaks with a simple back and forth...Trainer: "Hey, your eardrum is bleeding, do you feel like your equilibrium is rekt?", Wilder: "No, it's just a cut".

I did see one of his corner saying your eardrum is burst etc after the fight, so that might be actually why they called off the fight. His corner was listening to the commentators who kept saying his eardrum was burst and equilbrium was knocked off.

Realistically that would make anybody mad and it would deserve firing the trainer for listening to the crowd and random commentators rather than his own fighter.