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February 23, 2020, 11:39:06 PM
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He can still recover from this lost, just like AJ did.
Please don't compare this to AJ vs Ruiz fight as that was clearly an upset and in the 2nd fight AJ proven it, while this fight, both fighters have equal chance of winning based on the betting odds, so I don't agree with a trilogy here but since it's part of the contract, we have no choice but to watch it.

If Wilder exercise wanted to exercise his rematch clause then we can't do anything but to watch it.

There could be more $$$ in the table for a trilogy, so most likely it will happen in my opinion. So everything is on Wilders table, they have 30 days to think about it. So this is more of a psychological effect, for sure his body are more willing, but if his mind is not into it, we might see his getting knock out for good this time.

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February 23, 2020, 11:56:48 PM
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Officially, there is a rematch clause:

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Deontay Wilder Has 30 Days To Exercise Clause For Fury Trilogy

There is a contractual clause for a trilogy fight - and Wilder has 30 days to exercise that clause - with the contest taking place in June or July.

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-wilder-30-days-exercise-clause-fury-trilogy--147028

So Wilder has a month to decide whether he wanted another part of Fury or not.

Regarding the gate attendance of the fight, it broke heavyweight records in Las Vegas

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By the time they entered the ring Saturday night, MGM Grand Garden Arena was packed to capacity. Officials announced a sellout crowd of 15,816 and an MGM Resorts International official confirmed that the live gate for Wilder-Fury II broke the Nevada record for a heavyweight fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-fury-rematch-broke-heavyweight-gate-record-vegas--147020

So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.

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February 23, 2020, 11:59:27 PM
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So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.
They wont push a trilogy if they do saw that they can make enough money.They do saw the demand and hype so it will surely push through.

He can still recover from this lost, just like AJ did.
Please don't compare this to AJ vs Ruiz fight as that was clearly an upset and in the 2nd fight AJ proven it, while this fight, both fighters have equal chance of winning based on the betting odds, so I don't agree with a trilogy here but since it's part of the contract, we have no choice but to watch it.
Dont know why other people trying to compare AJ vs Ruiz fight than into this one.

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February 24, 2020, 12:00:16 AM
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So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.
So basically this is all about money, right?
Why not give us the best match up in the heavy weight division, yes Wilder lose and we've seen enough from him, he could still lose in another rematch, what about AJ vs  Fury? I think this fight is more interesting, isn't it?

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February 24, 2020, 12:59:25 AM
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He can still recover from this lost, just like AJ did.
Please don't compare this to AJ vs Ruiz fight as that was clearly an upset and in the 2nd fight AJ proven it, while this fight, both fighters have equal chance of winning based on the betting odds, so I don't agree with a trilogy here but since it's part of the contract, we have no choice but to watch it.

I'm comparing it in terms of the psychological trauma that both fighters is experiencing. AJ was clearly upset and many doubt that he can return and beat Ruiz but he did. So there's a possibility that Wilder is experiencing the same psychological trauma that AJ had prior to his rematch. But it takes a lot of mental toughness to overcome it, just saying.

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February 24, 2020, 01:39:00 AM
Last edit: February 24, 2020, 02:41:39 AM by JollyGood
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Well if there was any dispute about the first fight there cannot be any debate about the second. In my country all the odds were in favour of a Fury win and most boxing analysts and ex-boxers had Fury to win too.

I think the fight was over before Fury busted the Wilder eardrum, it reminded me of when Joshua lost to Ruiz because he clearly did not want to be in the ring that night and Wilder was almost the same as that. I got the feeling he was not ready for the fight and maybe had some domestic issues which he brought into the ring as they were not resolved before the fight and he lost focus. Only Wilder would know the truth.

As for a third fight, I hope Wilder does not trigger the clause and sign up for it. I think Fury should go ahead with a try to get Joshua in the ring so either one of them would become undisputed heavyweight champion. I am confident Fury will knock Joshua out.


There should not be a third match. Fury was robbed by crooked scorecard judges in the first match. Maybe Wilder and his pride might want a third match but the team know their man will lose and maybe get more heavily punished next time.

Fury and Joshua should be the next fight. I have no doubt whatsoever Fury will win within 5 or 6 rounds against Joshua and will go on to become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

It is all over for Wilder. He is 34 years old, if he wants to rebuild his career he should take a long break then return fighting 3 or 4 handpicked lower ranked opponents then try to get one last shot at the title again.

I don't think Fury was robbed. It was a fairly equal fight in my opinion but you're forgetting Fury was knocked down twice and he was lucky to get back up. Another round in the first fight and I doubt he would have got back up. People forget that anything can happen in boxing. Doesn't matter how tough you are or if you're unbeaten; one punch and it can all be over. Wilder was the favourite going into this  but it was obvious that punch to the ear that made it bleed threw him off for the rest of the right. I think a rematch would be right in this situation. First was a draw and this one was won by the coach throwing in the towel, although I'm sure Fury would have got a KO had it been allowed to continue. Fury should fight AJ and I'm sure he will at some point but not sure it would be before another Fury fight and likely the Wilder trilogy.

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February 24, 2020, 04:03:15 AM
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So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.
So basically this is all about money, right?
Why not give us the best match up in the heavy weight division, yes Wilder lose and we've seen enough from him, he could still lose in another rematch, what about AJ vs  Fury? I think this fight is more interesting, isn't it?

I guess every sports today, including boxing is business. That's why fighters are looking for money fight. And remember that Fury is being promoted by Bob Arum, the same manager that guide Pacquiao, and earn tons of money from him.

Of course as boxing fans we wanted to see them fighting each other, specially in the top 5 or even 10.

I also like AJ vs Fury, but it is still up to the boxing promoters and managers to give their fighters the most money. Wilder could fight Whyte next or Andy Ruiz if he doesn't want to sign and fight Fury again.

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February 24, 2020, 04:57:32 AM
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I also like AJ vs Fury, but it is still up to the boxing promoters and managers to give their fighters the most money. Wilder could fight Whyte next or Andy Ruiz if he doesn't want to sign and fight Fury again.
Please can we stop including Ruiz already, this guy just got lucky once and was already exposed.

If they like to bring big money, they should bring in a Fury vs AJ fight, at least both of them came from a real big win, or maybe AJ vs Wilder, I would still bet on the Wilder to demolished AJ though.
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February 24, 2020, 05:15:11 AM
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Officially, there is a rematch clause:

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Deontay Wilder Has 30 Days To Exercise Clause For Fury Trilogy

There is a contractual clause for a trilogy fight - and Wilder has 30 days to exercise that clause - with the contest taking place in June or July.

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-wilder-30-days-exercise-clause-fury-trilogy--147028

So Wilder has a month to decide whether he wanted another part of Fury or not.

Regarding the gate attendance of the fight, it broke heavyweight records in Las Vegas

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By the time they entered the ring Saturday night, MGM Grand Garden Arena was packed to capacity. Officials announced a sellout crowd of 15,816 and an MGM Resorts International official confirmed that the live gate for Wilder-Fury II broke the Nevada record for a heavyweight fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-fury-rematch-broke-heavyweight-gate-record-vegas--147020

So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.

So it look like wilder will agree to the third fight and/or he will be made to agree in the favor for the boxing association to get the revenue for this highly anticipated encounter.
If they agree to this fight, will it happen in Las Vegas or the venue will be changed ?
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February 24, 2020, 05:57:47 AM
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He wasn't out of shape. That's what getting punched in the head/ear can do to you. Same thing happened in the Joshua fight.
This is not my thing. What I know is that you get wobbled temporarily when you're hit in the ear/behind the ear but he wasn't punch hard there in rounds one and two.

@Theb mentioned that Wilder wasn't his confident self and I also saw that from the first round. He was really off. Maybe we weren't used to seeing him backpedaling.
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February 24, 2020, 06:29:55 AM
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WILL WAIT FOR ANOTHER REMATCH BECAUSE OF THIS DISAPPOINTING ENDING Cheesy.

Rematch after rematch, are we going to keep on the rematch until the wider will win.  
I think there should be no rematch and we should accept the Tyson fury victory. If they again decide to rematch, this will only to create a marketing technique to gain the hype and money from the event.

I told my pals after the match, if Wilder requests for a rematch then perhaps he doesn't wanna box again lol
Fury furiously sent him out of the ring straight to the hospital for treatment.

In boxing, it is bad to be a sore loser.
If Wilder gets a rematch, it will be the same results.

Let's look forward to Fury vs Anthony Joshua
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February 24, 2020, 06:49:01 AM
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WILL WAIT FOR ANOTHER REMATCH BECAUSE OF THIS DISAPPOINTING ENDING Cheesy.

Rematch after rematch, are we going to keep on the rematch until the wider will win.  
I think there should be no rematch and we should accept the Tyson fury victory. If they again decide to rematch, this will only to create a marketing technique to gain the hype and money from the event.

I told my pals after the match, if Wilder requests for a rematch then perhaps he doesn't wanna box again lol
Fury furiously sent him out of the ring straight to the hospital for treatment.

In boxing, it is bad to be a sore loser.
If Wilder gets a rematch, it will be the same results.

Let's look forward to Fury vs Anthony Joshua
That's much better, bringing new match and forget about another rematch from this two fighters. Wilder needs to forget about taking another chance to prove himself, fans will be much interested seeing Joshua to fight with Fury if organizers will make this things to materialized more and money to flow
with this market. Heavyweights bringing the light from this sports.
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February 24, 2020, 08:06:27 AM
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Damn, I missed this match! I've just come back from Youtube and shocked about how Fury outclassed Wilder that much. I've predicted Fury would win, but not dominating like this.

I think Fury got a bit lucky with the "AJ-like damage" received by Wilder with that right hook. Wilder just couldn't recover after that blow. However, I'll still bet Fury wins 9 out of 10 (1 draw) versus Wilder.

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February 24, 2020, 09:13:54 AM
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Damn, I missed this match! I've just come back from Youtube and shocked about how Fury outclassed Wilder that much. I've predicted Fury would win, but not dominating like this.

I think Fury got a bit lucky with the "AJ-like damage" received by Wilder with that right hook. Wilder just couldn't recover after that blow. However, I'll still bet Fury wins 9 out of 10 (1 draw) versus Wilder.

Wilder was lucky that he was still able to get up after being down in the 3rd round, Fury knows how to win and he didn't lie when he said he will knock out Wilder, and this guy just beat the guy who has the biggest knockout percentage in the history.

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February 24, 2020, 10:26:59 AM
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Wilder got pounded I don't know if his poor performance was after the ear shot it was rather concerning to see his corner fail to work on him round after round or even give him direction to cover up more and protect his head after the savage ear bleed shot from fury.

When you see blood coming out the ear of a fighter and they seem to be very unstable on there feet I am surprised the corner didn't pull there fighter over health concerns it was a good stoppage by the ref he obviously saw the Wilder was struggling to clear his head and needed some medical attention.

I would also credit fury for his performance in the fight he made good advances around the ring and kept Wilder on the back foot for the majority of the fight he landed some good punches both from distance and from inside the clinch all in all it was a good fight with a deserved outcome by fury.
The fight was good during the first till third rounds but as you have said everything changed after the ear bleed of Wilder which i believe will literally make Wilder feel dizziness and i thnk the referee didn't stop the fight early in other to clarify peoples doubt.

With that been said, i somehow believed Fury seek Mike Tyson advise before the fight because Mike Tyson was spotted supporting him through the fight.

I doubt they will have a re-match after this one unless it's in the contract somewhere.

Base on the message posted by sportbible there's chance for a third fight.
A third fight usually means they just do it for bringing in the money and not for the love of the competition. Roll Eyes
Just look at money Mayweather and his rematches.
Maybe not or maybe yes but we cant use Mayweather rematches to judge because Mayweather is knew for making money through his fights while Fury and Wilder are foes (they like each other but they always claim to be best than each other)


And yes, I heard Mike Tyson was going to be at the announcers table during the fight.
I just think he picked the fighter to win because they have the same name. Cheesy
That's what i also believed either.

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February 24, 2020, 10:30:08 AM
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Wilder got pounded I don't know if his poor performance was after the ear shot it was rather concerning to see his corner fail to work on him round after round or even give him direction to cover up more and protect his head after the savage ear bleed shot from fury.

When you see blood coming out the ear of a fighter and they seem to be very unstable on there feet I am surprised the corner didn't pull there fighter over health concerns it was a good stoppage by the ref he obviously saw the Wilder was struggling to clear his head and needed some medical attention.



The ref didn't stop it. Wilder's trainer threw the towel in. It did look like the ref stopped it during the fight but on the subsequent after fight replays it shows the towel coming in. I was confused at first as I didn't think the ref should have called it off.

When you see blood coming out the ear of a fighter and they seem to be very unstable on there feet I am surprised the corner didn't pull there fighter over health concerns it was a good stoppage by the ref he obviously saw the Wilder was struggling to clear his head and needed some medical attention.

Even if you knew nothing about nothing that's a pretty alarming signal. I've never seen that before. You'd think someone would have a root around in there before sending him back out.

It might turn out to be harmless enough but it makes you wonder about how diligent they are.


It could have just been a harmless cut on the ear or something much more serious - perforated ear drum or even bleeding on the brain. If they had concerns it was something serious they shouldn't have let him go back out, but most fighters are stubborn and have too much pride to call it off themselves and will continue on at all costs.


A third fight usually means they just do it for bringing in the money and not for the love of the competition. Roll Eyes
Just look at money mayweather and his rematches.
And yes, I heard Mike Tyson was going to be at the announcers table during the fight.
I just think he picked the fighter to win because they have the same name. Cheesy

Again, boxing is all about the money. They don't do these fights for fun and for the love of the sport. Besides, a trilogy makes sense. The first was a draw and this was one by Wilder's camp throwing in the towel. A third fight can determine the rightful winner if there's a clear KO. The AJ fight makes sense but I think he's said potentially 2021 so Fury will probably fight before then and Wilder will be his next best opponent, and he'll have to fight him if Wilder requests the trilogy anyway.



Yes, the second fight was convincing enough that there is no need for a trilogy here.


Not if it was all due to the ear injury. That would have explained his lack of balance and unsteadiness of his feet. I thought Wilder was the better fighter in the first fight. This one was obviously Fury's but that ear injury could explain why he was so off and that's why I'd like to see the third fight.

Officially, there is a rematch clause:

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Deontay Wilder Has 30 Days To Exercise Clause For Fury Trilogy

There is a contractual clause for a trilogy fight - and Wilder has 30 days to exercise that clause - with the contest taking place in June or July.

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-wilder-30-days-exercise-clause-fury-trilogy--147028

So Wilder has a month to decide whether he wanted another part of Fury or not.

By the time they entered the ring Saturday night, MGM Grand Garden Arena was packed to capacity. Officials announced a sellout crowd of 15,816 and an MGM Resorts International official confirmed that the live gate for Wilder-Fury II broke the Nevada record for a heavyweight fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-fury-rematch-broke-heavyweight-gate-record-vegas--147020

So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.

I'm almost certain he'll take the rematch. Not only will he want the belt back but each fight in a trilogy always make more money with each fight. There's just more buzz and interest.



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He wasn't out of shape. That's what getting punched in the head/ear can do to you. Same thing happened in the Joshua fight.
This is not my thing. What I know is that you get wobbled temporarily when you're hit in the ear/behind the ear but he wasn't punch hard there in rounds one and two.


It depends how hard you get punched and where. One good punch can turn your legs to jelly and some people can't even stand after that and getting hit in the ear can throw your balance off completely.

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February 24, 2020, 11:35:51 AM
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I'm almost certain he'll take the rematch. Not only will he want the belt back but each fight in a trilogy always make more money with each fight. There's just more buzz and interest.

I'm sure there'll be interest and no doubt a boatload of money to be made but I can't see the interest being at a similar level. A third fight pops when the previous two left the questions unanswered.

Both this and Ruiz answered the question in the second event. In terms of actual narrative a third one would be pretty redundant.
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February 24, 2020, 11:49:03 AM
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In terms of actual narrative a third one would be pretty redundant.
For us fans here maybe but for those promoters who like to make money, they can easily hype the rematch again so they can sell this fight.
As a boxing fan, I can compare this with a Mayweather vs Pacman possible rematch and fans like to see it although it's obvious that it was Mayweather who easily win against Pacman in the first fight, this is no different, big names fight big names will hype the fans.
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February 24, 2020, 12:44:45 PM
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Wilder has been reigning undefeated monster in the heavyweight division so this should be another day at office for him.
Although, last time they fought wilder was outclassed by experience but right now he has defended his title for quite some time now, the experience should already be there. Im expecting wilder has improved.
Are you aware that Wilder loss to Fury in the 2nd fight? Man, he is no undefeated anymore and he has not defended his title.

here's the highlight if you haven't seen it yet : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-GgRNrZFi8

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February 24, 2020, 12:47:24 PM
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I'm almost certain he'll take the rematch. Not only will he want the belt back but each fight in a trilogy always make more money with each fight. There's just more buzz and interest.

I'm sure there'll be interest and no doubt a boatload of money to be made but I can't see the interest being at a similar level. A third fight pops when the previous two left the questions unanswered.

Both this and Ruiz answered the question in the second event. In terms of actual narrative a third one would be pretty redundant.

Wilder has called for third rematch his team invoked it so we will have a third rematch coming, but this fight should have a hype because as you can see Wilder is badly beaten and totally outclassed, he will need to convinced the paying public that we will show a different stuff in their third meeting.

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