[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[Guy Corem]

Congratulations to LTC for what appears to be an agreed upon resolution to the conflict: https://medium.com/@Litecoinchina/litecoin-global-roundtable-resolution-001-2017-c67b729bc06d

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Congratulations to LTC for what appears to be an agreed upon resolution to the conflict: https://medium.com/@Litecoinchina/litecoin-global-roundtable-resolution-001-2017-c67b729bc06d

Well this is 'offtopic' for this thread but since it's your thread you can take it whichever direction you want.

Bitmain's on that list? Did Jihan pull his head out of his arse and realise he was one person against the rest of the world at last? Now if only he'd do the same thing for bitcoin - but then he'll argue the only reason he agreed on the ltc roundtable was because they agreed to a block size increase when they need it which is laughable since ltc has almost completely empty blocks and may never need it. Oh well, I'll reserve further discussion for bitcoin/

[Searing]

Congratulations to LTC for what appears to be an agreed upon resolution to the conflict: https://medium.com/@Litecoinchina/litecoin-global-roundtable-resolution-001-2017-c67b729bc06d

Well this is 'offtopic' for this thread but since it's your thread you can take it whichever direction you want.

Bitmain's on that list? Did Jihan pull his head out of his arse and realise he was one person against the rest of the world at last? Now if only he'd do the same thing for bitcoin - but then he'll argue the only reason he agreed on the ltc roundtable was because they agreed to a block size increase when they need it which is laughable since ltc has almost completely empty blocks and may never need it. Oh well, I'll reserve further discussion for bitcoin/

Bitcoin related on the above. With the scaling solution for LTC will there be MORE pressure to do the same on BTC network? Especially if on LTC it goes off w/o a hitch?

I mean alot of these folks on the LTC seg witness agreement are the same folks into BTC

Just wondering. Perhaps the BTC option is much more messed up then I'm aware of ..and that an't gonna happen any time soon

[jborkl]

They were, I really enjoyed it a lot more than I realized. Replacing fans and thermal paste seems more fun now that I don't get to do it as a hobby

[Guy Corem]

http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/exclusive-bitcoin-mining-giant-bitmain-open-ai-rd-center-israel/
Congratulations to Gadi and the Israeli BitmainTech team!
 

[Guy Corem]

Saw the AntBleed pseudo-drama and BitmainTech reply makes total sense to me: https://blog.bitmain.com/en/antminer-firmware-update-april-2017/
We had reporting capabilities with myminer.io infrastructure as well. We didn't implement a kill switch. I believe their version. They started to develop it and didn't finish.
They shouldn't have the left over code remaining in the git repo.
On a side note, $0.5M worth of SP20s gear were stolen from us as well, so I understand the motivation.

I think all those attacks (ASICBoost, leaked chats, AntBleed) are harmful to Bitcoin and the ecosystem.
They are not productive towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

Guy

[HagssFIN]

Pretty much everything that Bitmain wants today with Bitcoin is related to the company's personal profit, so it is not easy to believe in things in a good sense.

[s1gs3gv]

They are not productive towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

Guy

What conflict ?

~LOL~

[Guy Corem]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/great-north-data-bitmain-technologies-lawsuit-1.4084925

[freedomno1]

Saw the AntBleed pseudo-drama and BitmainTech reply makes total sense to me: https://blog.bitmain.com/en/antminer-firmware-update-april-2017/
We had reporting capabilities with myminer.io infrastructure as well. We didn't implement a kill switch. I believe their version. They started to develop it and didn't finish.
They shouldn't have the left over code remaining in the git repo.
On a side note, $0.5M worth of SP20s gear were stolen from us as well, so I understand the motivation.

I think all those attacks (ASICBoost, leaked chats, AntBleed) are harmful to Bitcoin and the ecosystem.
They are not productive towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

Guy

Others see Pseudo-Drama I see the dark humor but honestly if I put in as much money as Bitmain into a company in Newfoundland and Labrador sent the mining equipment abroad, basically was told to pay the electricity in advance and then sell the units before seeing any income I would be pissed to hell and high water.

They needed to find a better partner to run their mines and take advantage of the electricity, but right now the exploit is more an analysis of vulnerabilities in mining code which are showing themselves due to economic incentive behind the two main factions.  

At the end of the day we have less buggy code and one less exploit vulnerability thanks to peer review. We have moved pretty far though since the old days BFL and the wonderful dramas, Friedcat and Asicminer's glory days before it snuffed out, your rise and spondoolies tech, and Dogie and his miner comparison and setup threads.
At some point someone we do need to look around and check for bugs better found now than exploited later for Antbleed.  

It's just that now the ecosystem is bigger and we have more eyes watching us so mistakes are amplified as is drama but in the end Bitcoin shall prevail!!!

[edgar]

Saw the AntBleed pseudo-drama and BitmainTech reply makes total sense to me: https://blog.bitmain.com/en/antminer-firmware-update-april-2017/
We had reporting capabilities with myminer.io infrastructure as well. We didn't implement a kill switch. I believe their version. They started to develop it and didn't finish.
They shouldn't have the left over code remaining in the git repo.
On a side note, $0.5M worth of SP20s gear were stolen from us as well, so I understand the motivation.

I think all those attacks (ASICBoost, leaked chats, AntBleed) are harmful to Bitcoin and the ecosystem.
They are not productive towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

Guy

who are you trying to convince?

[RoadStress]

I think all those attacks (ASICBoost, leaked chats, AntBleed) are harmful to Bitcoin and the ecosystem.
They are not productive towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict.
Guy

Also trying to change the rules of a system as a miner (aka no technical skills and pretending to control stuff when in fact you are just providing a service) for own well-being is bad for the ecosystem, but that is more subtle than the ones you have mentioned and they are easily ignored.

[Guy Corem]

I think all those attacks (ASICBoost, leaked chats, AntBleed) are harmful to Bitcoin and the ecosystem.
They are not productive towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict.
Guy

Also trying to change the rules of a system as a miner (aka no technical skills and pretending to control stuff when in fact you are just providing a service) for own well-being is bad for the ecosystem, but that is more subtle than the ones you have mentioned and they are easily ignored.

I think this is an over simplified presentation of the current situation.
Another simplified(!) presentation will be: Bitmain and other big blockers in the eco-system are opposing the consensus change that SegWit is bringing, without additional measures to ensure future growth of layer 1. Bitmain is being attacked into submission.

We need to find a path forward. Those attacks don't help.

[Unacceptable]

I think all those attacks (ASICBoost, leaked chats, AntBleed) are harmful to Bitcoin and the ecosystem.
They are not productive towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict.
Guy

Also trying to change the rules of a system as a miner (aka no technical skills and pretending to control stuff when in fact you are just providing a service) for own well-being is bad for the ecosystem, but that is more subtle than the ones you have mentioned and they are easily ignored.

I think this is an over simplified presentation of the current situation.
Another simplified(!) presentation will be: Bitmain and other big blockers in the eco-system are opposing the consensus change that SegWit is bringing, without additional measures to ensure future growth of layer 1. Bitmain is being attacked into submission.

We need to find a path forward. Those attacks don't help.

Get rid of ALL ASICs....done 

Let GPU's mine Bitcoin again & we ALL can have a say in where Bitcoin goes,otherwise only the BIG FARMS (Corp miners) can vote,so STFU & go buy moar Bitcoin   

[jborkl]

I enjoyed the days of trying to fit 4 7970's on a board! Also, trying to keep them from overheating and crashing was an entire artform of its own

Walking into a spare room and it sounded like a jet was taking off (and it could have doubled for a sauna in a pinch)

[RoadStress]

I think this is an over simplified presentation of the current situation.
Another simplified(!) presentation will be: Bitmain and other big blockers in the eco-system are opposing the consensus change that SegWit is bringing, without additional measures to ensure future growth of layer 1. Bitmain is being attacked into submission.

We need to find a path forward. Those attacks don't help.

As a regular user I oppose big-blocks without additional measures that fees aren't artificially raised like mining empty blocks because of subjective reasons. And we can go on like this forever.

Also there is no logical reason to believe that there are no additional measures to ensure future growth of layer 1. From what I saw most of the Core developers agree that we will need to raise the block size eventually and I think that most of the services in the ecosystem believe the same thing. It's only a matter of time and to believe that after SegWit the layer 1 will be completely ignored is either bad intended with a purpose or simply illogical. A different approach is definitely possible, but I don't see then trying too much. All I see is anger and greed from BITMAIN side while from Core side I see voluntarily work, openness and a usable system for new features which isn't used by most of the SegWit blockers. So yes, I will stick to Core until the others learn how to treat those that don't directly benefit them and that consensus will benefit all of us much more than greed can ever do in the long term.

[coinits]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/great-north-data-bitmain-technologies-lawsuit-1.4084925

The governments of Canada and Newfoundland used taxpayer money to help subsidize a company to set up a data center to host bitmaintech equipment and the data center ripped them off?

Labrador is remote and does have cold weather and abundant renewable power supply but it pisses me off the government helped finance this debacle.

BTW I am not too far away from this place.

[coinits]

I think all those attacks (ASICBoost, leaked chats, AntBleed) are harmful to Bitcoin and the ecosystem.
They are not productive towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict.
Guy

Also trying to change the rules of a system as a miner (aka no technical skills and pretending to control stuff when in fact you are just providing a service) for own well-being is bad for the ecosystem, but that is more subtle than the ones you have mentioned and they are easily ignored.

I think this is an over simplified presentation of the current situation.
Another simplified(!) presentation will be: Bitmain and other big blockers in the eco-system are opposing the consensus change that SegWit is bringing, without additional measures to ensure future growth of layer 1. Bitmain is being attacked into submission.

We need to find a path forward. Those attacks don't help.

Get rid of ALL ASICs....done 

Let GPU's mine Bitcoin again & we ALL can have a say in where Bitcoin goes,otherwise only the BIG FARMS (Corp miners) can vote,so STFU & go buy moar Bitcoin   

Bitcoin is on a collision course with reality. Until transactions can be confirmed in seconds just like a debit or credit card transaction from a financial institution bitcoin will never become a replacement or on par to the current paradigm. Not even close. End of story,

[jborkl]

Debit and credit transactions can be reversed for months, with the merchant losing almost every time. After 3 confirms your golden, so waiting 30 minutes is not a bad deal. (Even after 1 confirm it is still a million times more secure than any credit or debit transaction imo)

Not sure where this went with regards to mining or mining hardware, but w/e

[leowonderful]

Debit and credit transactions can be reversed for months, with the merchant losing almost every time. After 3 confirms your golden, so waiting 30 minutes is not a bad deal. (Even after 1 confirm it is still a million times more secure than any credit or debit transaction imo)

Not sure where this went with regards to mining or mining hardware, but w/e

I'm not even sure why it's three confirmations- I've virtually never seen a double spend with more than one, and it's also very difficult to pull off. The point is that it's incredibly secure, the main reason why I use Bitcoin for most of my digital transactions.