[ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source

[akula999]

why is my wallet locked and I dont have a password?

You were prompted to enter a seed and a password upon installing the client?

If I was, I dont remember. I have a set number of passwords which I rotate. I used them all and none of them work....

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[Mrrr]

why is my wallet locked and I dont have a password?

You were prompted to enter a seed and a password upon installing the client?

If I was, I dont remember. I have a set number of passwords which I rotate. I used them all and none of them work....

You have the seed though?

[akula999]

why is my wallet locked and I dont have a password?

You were prompted to enter a seed and a password upon installing the client?

If I was, I dont remember. I have a set number of passwords which I rotate. I used them all and none of them work....

You have the seed though?

Now following you, whats a seed

[megashira1]

So, anyone got an idea as to how the POS algo can be checked. Or the whole code.

Blindly trusting the dev is really an issue.

I am not saying that anything is wrong. What I am saying though is, that the current state of Qora leaves a lot of serious attack vectors open.

I am aware that showing the source will lead to a clonefest. But maybe there is another way to have the code checked without it excaping into the wild.

This is a valid and important question. Something can walk like a duck, and quack like a duck, and yet not be a duck. We all know that Qora can do the basics - send/receive funds, register/buy/sell an alias, etc - but as a community we have zero proof that it is a crypto currency in the normal sense. It's likely that some people have examined the obfuscated code, either to find attack vectors or to satisfy themselves that it is a sound investment, but if so the results aren't being shared.

It's fine to have faith in the dev to a certain point, and those who were involved in the IPO (myself included) have struck lucky in the sense that he appears to have delivered the goods. But outside investors putting in their hard earned money will be put off by this "black box" coin, as will the enterprising individuals who will need to build the surrounding services that are required if Qora is to be a success. If I had no Qora, I wouldn't buy 50 million at today's prices with today's information (although I would buy a lesser amount).

I also understand the concerns about open sourcing the code leading to it being cloned. Nxt (whose code was never obfuscated) managed a staged release of the code, an approach which worked well. Can we do the same?

I would ask the dev to release a white paper describing the Qora design, in particular the PoS algorithm, the crypto aspects, and P2P aspects, and any other aspects that are innovative or unique to Qora. Can be brief, nothing fancy. Can be written and edited by a trusted forum member after a short Q&A session with the dev, if he's short on time and busy with coding. This won't help those building clones in any way (it's only the design, not the implementation), but it would go some way towards getting Qora accepted in the wider community.

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[Mrrr]

The POS is a black box. We'll all sit and look at it for some weeks and see that it won't be frozen on Poloniex like any other (semi) POS coin. Qora must be doing something right.

Sorry, I don't understand your point

All other crypto currencies that I know of are open source. Anyone can inspect the source, understand for themselves how it works, and check for no nasties (like a hidden premine, or code that lets dev get away with printing money). Most people won't need to, as it will already have been inspected by people who know more about how the code should work; but still, the option is there.

We can't yet do that with Qora. We don't even know how it works - the design - never mind get to see the actual implementation in a readable/understandable form.

Sitting and looking is one option. But maybe we'll sit and look at it for some weeks, and wake up one day to find it is frozen on Poloniex, and our funds are worthless. At least one critical flaw was found in Nxt, fortunately by a good guy who didn't abuse it. People want to know their funds are backed up by code that is solid and watertight, and we need to start the process of proving that's the case.

EDIT: I have no reason to believe there are any technical problems with Qora design/code. I just want to base decisions on facts rather than faith.

I do understand, yet I also understand the reasons why the dev would like to sit on the code for a couple of months.

Qora's distinct disinterest in money and marketing makes that I trust him (or her) to not have hidden anything nasty in the code.

I cannot but support a third party review but it will have to be at the developers discretion. And since only our lord Theymos knows who we are behind our nicknames this is not so easy.

[akula999]

Can anyone help ? My wallet is locked. Ive tried Every password ive ever used and it's not taking any of them.

[Mrrr]

why is my wallet locked and I dont have a password?

You were prompted to enter a seed and a password upon installing the client?

If I was, I dont remember. I have a set number of passwords which I rotate. I used them all and none of them work....

You have the seed though?

Now following you, whats a seed

When you installed your client, you were given a 'seed'. This is a private key which is used to generate all your wallet addresses. With this seed you can recover your addresses/funds even if you lose your wallet.

the seed is a rather long string of letters and numbers, did you save that somewhere?

[akula999]

No I didnt and I dont remember this....
I have 1000 Qora in my wallet.
So What you're saying is that it's all gone since I dont have this key and none of my passwords work?

[akula999]

The wallet is locked and isn't syncing - do I have a busted wallet??

[dzarmush]

No I didnt and I dont remember this....
I have 1000 Qora in my wallet.
So What you're saying is that it's all gone since I dont have this key and none of my passwords work?

 

[Mrrr]

No I didnt and I dont remember this....
I have 1000 Qora in my wallet.
So What you're saying is that it's all gone since I dont have this key and none of my passwords work?

Yes. Shit happens.

Now, what you'll do is the following:

Delete your Qora folder, wallets, everything. Download the Qora client (link on front page). Install. Launch. WRITE DOWN THE SEED ON A PIECE OF PAPER. 3 TIMES (the seed is your private key,and you can recover your wallet/funds from anywhere using the seed). Choose a PW and save it somewhere safe or write it down/remember it.

After having done the above you may PM me your Qora address. I'll send you 2000 Qora.

[Djinou94]

seriously though i really am surprised how many people invested without the dev releasing any info on the pos algo (which i legitimately didn't know he hadn't until just now)

Personally...  I have the same attitude towards this as I do for TF...  we shall see...  


Edit:  My attitude is POSITIVE by the way!  

We trust the master
He has something special u know..
I'm sure we will have a big surprise

[dzarmush]

No I didnt and I dont remember this....
I have 1000 Qora in my wallet.
So What you're saying is that it's all gone since I dont have this key and none of my passwords work?

Yes. Shit happens.

Now, what you'll do is the following:

Delete your Qora folder, wallets, everything. Download the Qora client (link on front page). Install. Launch. WRITE DOWN THE SEED ON A PIECE OF PAPER. 3 TIMES (the seed is your private key,and you can recover your wallet/funds from anywhere using the seed). Choose a PW and save it somewhere safe or write it down/remember it.

After having done the above you may PM me your Qora address. I'll send you 2000 Qora.

Are you sure someone might be so stupid? Looks like somebody just wants 1000 coins.

[Mrrr]

Distribution dzarmush, distribution...

[KyLins]

QORA there is no long-term planning?

[dzarmush]

QORA there is no long-term planning?

How about reading OP?

[Mrrr]

QORA there is no long-term planning?

There is lots of long term planning. Do take the time to read through the thread. My posts are sponsored so it is more rewarding for me to reply to you rather than adding you to my ignore list.

[akula999]

New wallet up and running - here's the qora address  QjtkbA43R4Dpq12t4C5fbLtAkRm5WgXP7s
Thank you.

[TwinWinNerD]

New wallet up and running - here's the qora address  QjtkbA43R4Dpq12t4C5fbLtAkRm5WgXP7s
Thank you.

hahaha as expected

[ASIC-8Tile]

Hi KyLins,

Yes there is. Here is the high-level draft of the topics/tasks....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg6913319#msg6913319

QORA there is no long-term planning?

Regards,