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January 22, 2025, 09:50:30 PM
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I never understood the PSG situation. I mean look at Premier league, yeah sure City is owned by rich people, but so does most other teams, City isn't the only one. Why is PSG owned by super rich people and no other team can compete with them? Why does no other rich person just wants to buy a club at France and make them compete with PSG?

If PSG can be owned by wealthy people and spend bunch of money, that means legally other teams can do the same thing, but for some reason other teams are not getting that. I get that France isn't really lovely in football sense, its the famous "farmers" league, but if any wealthy person ended up buying a team and make them champions over PSG, that clubs worth would go up too, so its not just a fun thing to own a club, but it would be financially great idea too.

It is because the French League is not as lucrative for investors as the Premier League and if you are a rich guy and could decide in which stadiums you would like to be sitting and watch your team play, would it be the Premier League or Ligue 1? I think I would prefer a club in the Premier League. But the clubs in the Premier League are all richer than other clubs because they generate more action and more action leads to more revenue in professional football and any other sports.

Most high quality players would choose the Premier League and La Liga over Ligue 1. If you buy a club in Ligue 1, what's next? How much do you want to pay Haaland to come to Olympique Marseille? It's not as easy. Mbappe was an exception because he received ridiculous salaries, but he was one guy and PSG was already the best club.
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January 22, 2025, 10:32:35 PM
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Monaco just won in the 7th match of the Champions League when facing Aston Villa, they won with a narrow score, yes that was the only goal they could create. They still have a chance to qualify directly to the last 16, as long as they can win and hope that the club above them achieves something negative so they lose points. Their problem is consistency, in Ligue 1 alone they have not been consistent, we can see from their last 5 matches in Ligue 1 which only managed to achieve 1 win. Actually they can still be more consistent, as long as they can find the main problem that can make them inconsistent like now.
Monaco can't be consistent when they have problems in the defense line and this is a problem that has not been resolved by the coach. I admit that Monaco has a better attack line at this time but if the defense line doesn't have good performance, it will not be able to create a balanced performance. So if Monaco really wants to get higher consistency, the coach must fix all of that.

And in my opinion, no matter how good Monaco is at this time, they actually won't be able to catch up to the top of the standings. Because PSG has locked the league 1 title. Unless Monaco is chasing the runner-up position.

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January 22, 2025, 10:44:50 PM
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I never understood the PSG situation. I mean look at Premier league, yeah sure City is owned by rich people, but so does most other teams, City isn't the only one. Why is PSG owned by super rich people and no other team can compete with them? Why does no other rich person just wants to buy a club at France and make them compete with PSG?

If PSG can be owned by wealthy people and spend bunch of money, that means legally other teams can do the same thing, but for some reason other teams are not getting that. I get that France isn't really lovely in football sense, its the famous "farmers" league, but if any wealthy person ended up buying a team and make them champions over PSG, that clubs worth would go up too, so its not just a fun thing to own a club, but it would be financially great idea too.

The answer to your question is clear and easy. In the Premier League, a team like Mamcshter City is owned by rich people but still, the other teams are also owned by rich people and that's how they can race in the of the table even after they see the owner of this team invest too much in Manchester City.

But in the French League other than PSG, the other team won't have a good financial situation and this is because of they do not have rich owners like PSG while this team can hire good coaches and players but the other team can't do the same thing and that's why they can't rave with PSG.

People in France also like to invest money in football but don't forget Arabs, not French people, own PSG.
 
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January 22, 2025, 11:10:04 PM
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The top 3 in the points table are PSG, Marseille and Lille. However, I don't think any team can compete with PSG for the title. Marseille's performance was very good at the beginning of the season. Marseille and Monaco played well at the beginning of the season. But gradually both of these teams have fallen behind. And now the performance of both of these teams is irregular. It is very difficult for Marseille to occupy the top position of the table.

Marseille is 9 points behind PSG. And Lille is 14 points behind. The performance of both of these teams is quite irregular. On the other hand, PSG is a very strong team in Ligue 1. And PSG has continued to perform well consistently. So this season too, PSG is almost certain to be the champions of Ligue 1.
How Lille got to the top three is actually baffling me because before now, they weren't in the such good form, I mean last season they didn't get to this point so it's almost like a privilege they are there at the moment. I'm hoping that they are able to maintain it at least next season they get to secure a firm UCL spot but it's funny how even in their supposed good form, they are still very much far behind PSG, that is to say if they were doing poorly maybe they could be at the red zone. Marseille is the only team I have some confidence in that they may be able to probably contented PSG.

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January 23, 2025, 06:32:08 AM
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Monaco just won in the 7th match of the Champions League when facing Aston Villa, they won with a narrow score, yes that was the only goal they could create. They still have a chance to qualify directly to the last 16, as long as they can win and hope that the club above them achieves something negative so they lose points. Their problem is consistency, in Ligue 1 alone they have not been consistent, we can see from their last 5 matches in Ligue 1 which only managed to achieve 1 win. Actually they can still be more consistent, as long as they can find the main problem that can make them inconsistent like now.
Monaco can't be consistent when they have problems in the defense line and this is a problem that has not been resolved by the coach. I admit that Monaco has a better attack line at this time but if the defense line doesn't have good performance, it will not be able to create a balanced performance. So if Monaco really wants to get higher consistency, the coach must fix all of that.

And in my opinion, no matter how good Monaco is at this time, they actually won't be able to catch up to the top of the standings. Because PSG has locked the league 1 title. Unless Monaco is chasing the runner-up position.
True, it is mistake that has not been overcome even though Adi Hutter often tries to rotate the midfield players to focus on helping the defense, moreover we must often see Monaco playing formation by placing 4 players for the defender position and the game remains chaotic because each player cannot really close all the gaps that exist and results in making it easy for the opponent to penetrate.

Regarding the effort to pursue the runner-up, it will also be difficult, let alone surpassing PSG because I am not sure Monaco can do it even to surpass Marseille, I predict the runner-up this season will belong to Marseille.
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January 23, 2025, 07:45:51 AM
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I never understood the PSG situation. I mean look at Premier league, yeah sure City is owned by rich people, but so does most other teams, City isn't the only one. Why is PSG owned by super rich people and no other team can compete with them? Why does no other rich person just wants to buy a club at France and make them compete with PSG?

If PSG can be owned by wealthy people and spend bunch of money, that means legally other teams can do the same thing, but for some reason other teams are not getting that. I get that France isn't really lovely in football sense, its the famous "farmers" league, but if any wealthy person ended up buying a team and make them champions over PSG, that clubs worth would go up too, so its not just a fun thing to own a club, but it would be financially great idea too.
The France influential men are taking stakes and heights to own a club because this is one different source of earning massively in the universe. A club generates vastly huge figures especially when they're winning matches and lifting titles, PSG falls in this sector. They win matches and usually win Ligue One trophy comfortably. The farmer's league is categorically positioned in front of Paris Saint-Germain. They're dominating every piece and having sliding oppositions that doesn't pull any string. PSG can be continued to be winners in next decades because no oppositions can suit their standards, but when they compete in Everyone had an opinion when it comes to owning a club.

Paris Saint-Germain are only gigantic and competitive when it comes to Ligue One, thereby ruling out all oppositions because they're the best team. Who's willing to take that risk to buy a club and reinforce its financial structure with good bidding? This is investment and its either skyrocketing or liquidating because football doesn't always gives one what he or she decides, however applying such idea is welcomeable.

 
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January 23, 2025, 08:29:00 AM
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How Lille got to the top three is actually baffling me because before now, they weren't in the such good form, I mean last season they didn't get to this point so it's almost like a privilege they are there at the moment. I'm hoping that they are able to maintain it at least next season they get to secure a firm UCL spot but it's funny how even in their supposed good form, they are still very much far behind PSG, that is to say if they were doing poorly maybe they could be at the red zone. Marseille is the only team I have some confidence in that they may be able to probably contented PSG.
That's what is called development in a team where in the new season a team is no longer in a bad condition and is in a much better position than before. Because the goal of every team in any league is to be able to develop and be in a much better position than last season if they don't have the potential to be a title contender in a competition like Ligue 1. And regarding Marseille, I think that team will also not be able to catch up with PSG in the Ligue 1 standings this season because being nine points behind is not an easy thing for Marseille to reduce in Ligue 1, even though in terms of opportunity and time, they still have quite a lot.

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January 23, 2025, 11:19:57 AM
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Monaco just won in the 7th match of the Champions League when facing Aston Villa, they won with a narrow score, yes that was the only goal they could create. They still have a chance to qualify directly to the last 16, as long as they can win and hope that the club above them achieves something negative so they lose points. Their problem is consistency, in Ligue 1 alone they have not been consistent, we can see from their last 5 matches in Ligue 1 which only managed to achieve 1 win. Actually they can still be more consistent, as long as they can find the main problem that can make them inconsistent like now.

Although Monaco managed to beat Aston Villa and make their current points equal to 13 points, but for the last match later in this phase, in reality Monaco must play away against Inter. Of course, the match will be difficult, because currently Inter also has the same points as Monaco with 13 points, but Inter has a better goal aggressiveness than Monaco. Thus, it is not surprising that currently Monaco is still in ninth position and of course, Inter will also force their last match later to beat Monaco. Because they both need a win to be able to ensure a top eight finish, with unstable performance for Monaco, then I think it seems difficult for Monaco to beat Inter in San Siro for the last match later.
Monaco last match in the Champions League was not easy because they had to face Intermilan, but I think they still have the potential to beat Intermilan if you look at Intermilan performance when beating Sparta in the yesterday match, but even so I think the victory over Aston Villa has at least guaranteed their place in the playoffs, Monaco has been very inconsistent when playing in Ligue 1 this season.  But actually their performance looks impressive when playing in the Champions League, so we can't say they are difficult to beat Intermilan when they can conquer Aston Villa and Barcelona this season, although it may be difficult still they will aim for 3 points in the next match, especially their chances of entering the top 8 are still wide open, because some of the teams above them will also actually face a difficult match in the last match of the semi-league phase.
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January 23, 2025, 01:22:05 PM
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That's what is called development in a team where in the new season a team is no longer in a bad condition and is in a much better position than before. Because the goal of every team in any league is to be able to develop and be in a much better position than last season if they don't have the potential to be a title contender in a competition like Ligue 1. And regarding Marseille, I think that team will also not be able to catch up with PSG in the Ligue 1 standings this season because being nine points behind is not an easy thing for Marseille to reduce in Ligue 1, even though in terms of opportunity and time, they still have quite a lot.
Especially in Ligue 1 I see the difference in nine points is a big and difficult number for Marseille to catch up with points from PSG because they are much more consistent. The most likely to do to survive for second place so that Marseille has the opportunity to qualify for the Champions League because it competes without having the same player as PSG it feels difficult. The power of PSG is much better than any club in Ligue 1 so that competing for the title will be far more difficult to achieve.

The achievements compacted by Marseille this season were quite good because the previous season they were unable to qualify for the Champions League or the European League so that this season was a great opportunity for Marseille to play in the Champions League when they were able to play more consistently until the end of the season.


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Especially in Ligue 1 I see the difference in nine points is a big and difficult number for Marseille to catch up with points from PSG because they are much more consistent. The most likely to do to survive for second place so that Marseille has the opportunity to qualify for the Champions League because it competes without having the same player as PSG it feels difficult. The power of PSG is much better than any club in Ligue 1 so that competing for the title will be far more difficult to achieve.
PSG with their win against Manchester City after an amazing comeback in Champions League, will return to Ligue 1 with very positive mood. With 9 points more than Marseille, PSG have very good gap against the main competitor for Ligue 1 title. They won't let Marseille easily reduce this point difference because they need to prepare for Champions League likely playoff matches and knock out matches later. PSG will focus on Ligue 1 and try to create and maintain big difference that can help them having better plans for Champions League in late of season.

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The achievements compacted by Marseille this season were quite good because the previous season they were unable to qualify for the Champions League or the European League so that this season was a great opportunity for Marseille to play in the Champions League when they were able to play more consistently until the end of the season.
Marseille are growing but they are still not strong and stable enough to challenge PSG for Ligue 1 title. They will try to do it in this season but I see they don't have too good opportunity to do that with domination of PSG in the French domestic league. They can use this season as a trial and come back to challenge PSG again next season more seriously.

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PSG was lucky to have that win yesterday against Lens, a 1-2 victory, still at the top with 10pt clear until Marseille play their game against Strasbourg which I think won't be an easy one for the second position team. Marseille need this game to reduce the point gap to 7pt at least for now till PSG meet any of the big teams even Marseille for the second leg, that would be another block buster and we know is not going to be easy too. I'd really like Marseille to not only win this game against Strasbourg but also the League title at least let PSG try again next season. It shouldn't be PSG that's always crowned as champions, another team should step up and become Champions but this can only happen if Marseille get a positive results in all their games, starting with this very game against Strasbourg tonight.
Paris Saint-Germain football team played very well in last match and that team won the match by doing 2 goals in this match and opponent team could do only 1 goal in this match. Nzola did first goal of the match and he was player of Lens football team but after this goal , players of Paris Saint-Germain team did effort for the goal and they did back to back goals in this match.  Ruiz was the person who did second goal of the match and he did goal at 59 minutes of the match and after this goal , goals of both teams were equal and after this goal we were thinking that match could go towards draw but after few minutes we saw from another player who was Barcola and he did goal at 86 minutes of the match.
Yes they performed very well in that match and managed to win that match. In fact, Paris Saint-Germain team has proven time and again that they are very strong in this league. In the match they played against Lens, they managed to win 2-1. But we saw another amazing performance from them today as they managed to defeat Manchester City in the UEFA Champions League match. We thought they can only perform well in League One but that was wrong they are capable of performing well in all leagues now. PSG had a very attacking performance after halftime against Manchester City, they scored four goals in that time. Perhaps this great victory will boost the confidence of all the PSG club players even more.

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That's what is called development in a team where in the new season a team is no longer in a bad condition and is in a much better position than before. Because the goal of every team in any league is to be able to develop and be in a much better position than last season if they don't have the potential to be a title contender in a competition like Ligue 1. And regarding Marseille, I think that team will also not be able to catch up with PSG in the Ligue 1 standings this season because being nine points behind is not an easy thing for Marseille to reduce in Ligue 1, even though in terms of opportunity and time, they still have quite a lot.
Especially in Ligue 1 I see the difference in nine points is a big and difficult number for Marseille to catch up with points from PSG because they are much more consistent. The most likely to do to survive for second place so that Marseille has the opportunity to qualify for the Champions League because it competes without having the same player as PSG it feels difficult. The power of PSG is much better than any club in Ligue 1 so that competing for the title will be far more difficult to achieve.

The achievements compacted by Marseille this season were quite good because the previous season they were unable to qualify for the Champions League or the European League so that this season was a great opportunity for Marseille to play in the Champions League when they were able to play more consistently until the end of the season.
The victory over Manchester City yesterday has opened up PSG chances of staying in the UCL this season, although they will most likely only qualify through the playoffs and that is still better than what Manchester City are achieving at the moment Grin, if we talk about competition in Ligue 1 it is clear this season they will still continue to dominate it even maybe for the next seasons, because so far we have not seen a better champion mentality than PSG in Ligue 1, actually currently we have Marseille and Monaco who have a squad that may be on par with PSG but in fact they are still not able to break PSG dominance, so indeed the only thing they can achieve at the moment is a ticket to playing in UCL next season because trophy will certainly belong to PSG at the end of the season.  
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Paris Saint-Germain are only gigantic and competitive when it comes to Ligue One, thereby ruling out all oppositions because they're the best team. Who's willing to take that risk to buy a club and reinforce its financial structure with good bidding? This is investment and its either skyrocketing or liquidating because football doesn't always gives one what he or she decides, however applying such idea is welcomeable.

For me things are much improved for PSG, PSG have not only done a good job in Ligue 1 but also in the UCL, yesterday they beat City who are doing things very well, however this is giving them a great oxygenation, in fact Luis Enrique's celebration was epic, I think they really did very well, 4-2 was really good, I didn't see it in full, just in pieces, I only saw for a moment that it was 2-2, after that the totris 2 goals was something great. Pep is very bad, poor man.




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But the simple truth is that a lot of Pep Guardiola’s men appear to consider their efforts and achievements of previous seasons grand enough to warrant a year off. It is as if they reckon all those titles have been such a tough slog that they have earned a sabbatical. Or, more pertinently, that they need a sabbatical. Few were busting a gut in Paris, that is for sure.

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Yes they performed very well in that match and managed to win that match. In fact, Paris Saint-Germain team has proven time and again that they are very strong in this league. In the match they played against Lens, they managed to win 2-1. But we saw another amazing performance from them today as they managed to defeat Manchester City in the UEFA Champions League match. We thought they can only perform well in League One but that was wrong they are capable of performing well in all leagues now. PSG had a very attacking performance after halftime against Manchester City, they scored four goals in that time. Perhaps this great victory will boost the confidence of all the PSG club players even more.
In as much as I recognise the brilliance in the performance they had that got them all of the wins and even had them looking like a better side, I don't still want to be swade  by that because I believe  they aren't just so good yet, they probably  just got lucky against city because even city did played so well, I will fall on the side of PSG if they show consistency in the Champions League here after,  otherwise they are still like an average in the Champions league but a domestic champion in the ligue 1.

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January 23, 2025, 07:13:24 PM
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Monaco just won in the 7th match of the Champions League when facing Aston Villa, they won with a narrow score, yes that was the only goal they could create. They still have a chance to qualify directly to the last 16, as long as they can win and hope that the club above them achieves something negative so they lose points. Their problem is consistency, in Ligue 1 alone they have not been consistent, we can see from their last 5 matches in Ligue 1 which only managed to achieve 1 win. Actually they can still be more consistent, as long as they can find the main problem that can make them inconsistent like now.
Monaco's performance this season is quite commendable both in the domestic league and in the champions league, they made it their 7th win against Aston villa who also have been competing favourably in this competition and has also won some important games too but against Monaco they couldn't fly as Monaco proved very difficult for the English side.

Monaco are currently in 10th position at the moment and are already through to the next round which it would be a great achievement for the French side because it has been a long time since they got to this stage of the competition and the best they done in recent times is playing in the finals against Porto in 2004.

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January 23, 2025, 07:34:05 PM
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Yes they performed very well in that match and managed to win that match. In fact, Paris Saint-Germain team has proven time and again that they are very strong in this league. In the match they played against Lens, they managed to win 2-1. But we saw another amazing performance from them today as they managed to defeat Manchester City in the UEFA Champions League match. We thought they can only perform well in League One but that was wrong they are capable of performing well in all leagues now. PSG had a very attacking performance after halftime against Manchester City, they scored four goals in that time. Perhaps this great victory will boost the confidence of all the PSG club players even more.
In as much as I recognise the brilliance in the performance they had that got them all of the wins and even had them looking like a better side, I don't still want to be swade  by that because I believe  they aren't just so good yet, they probably  just got lucky against city because even city did played so well, I will fall on the side of PSG if they show consistency in the Champions League here after,  otherwise they are still like an average in the Champions league but a domestic champion in the ligue 1.

We saw another PSG in yesterday's game against Manchester City. It was just a splendid performance, coming from two goals down to win such an important game. Saying they won the game because of luck is underrating them and underrating thier hard work. I wouldn't also say that the Ligue One side are now favourites to win the UEFA Champions League because of this win because the club they won is having a bad time in the English Premier League.

PSG's next game will be a big test. VfB Stuttgart is a strong side and the German side with be at home in MHP Arena. They have won three straight matches in the Bundesliga showing that they are in form. Both teams are struggling to qualify for the playoffs.

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January 23, 2025, 07:37:34 PM
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Monaco just won in the 7th match of the Champions League when facing Aston Villa, they won with a narrow score, yes that was the only goal they could create. They still have a chance to qualify directly to the last 16, as long as they can win and hope that the club above them achieves something negative so they lose points. Their problem is consistency, in Ligue 1 alone they have not been consistent, we can see from their last 5 matches in Ligue 1 which only managed to achieve 1 win. Actually they can still be more consistent, as long as they can find the main problem that can make them inconsistent like now.
Monaco's performance this season is quite commendable both in the domestic league and in the champions league, they made it their 7th win against Aston villa who also have been competing favourably in this competition and has also won some important games too but against Monaco they couldn't fly as Monaco proved very difficult for the English side.

Monaco are currently in 10th position at the moment and are already through to the next round which it would be a great achievement for the French side because it has been a long time since they got to this stage of the competition and the best they done in recent times is playing in the finals against Porto in 2004.

They have indeed performed quite well this season, but it is very unfortunate that in their last few matches they have lost consistency which has caused their position in the standings to start to decline. At least in their last 5 matches in the French League 1, AS Monaco have only been able to collect 5 points, with 1 win, 2 draws and 2 losses.

Meanwhile, regarding their performance in the UCL, they have indeed performed quite well compared to the other 3 teams, namely LOSC Lille, Brest, and PSG. But AS Monaco still need one more win to allow them to qualify for the last 16 without having to go through to the playoffs first.

It is likely that of the 4 clubs representing the French league in the UCL, they will all advance to the playoffs, and so will PSG who were previously almost eliminated early in the preliminary round.

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January 23, 2025, 07:40:50 PM
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In as much as I recognise the brilliance in the performance they had that got them all of the wins and even had them looking like a better side, I don't still want to be swade  by that because I believe  they aren't just so good yet, they probably  just got lucky against city because even city did played so well, I will fall on the side of PSG if they show consistency in the Champions League here after,  otherwise they are still like an average in the Champions league but a domestic champion in the ligue 1.

We agree, the fact is that Manchester City is indeed in a very messy transition phase of declining performance. let's discuss Manchester City first, since some of their players were injured, whether defenders or other players, City has conceded more often. as for PSG, they usually have difficulty scoring many goals in their matches. but at least by winning the match against City, the motivation of PSG players is getting bigger to qualify even though they have to go through the playoffs. besides, PSG actually often dominates the course of the match when competing in the Champions League. like the match against City for example, they controlled more possession of the ball and also tried a lot of shots and in this match PSG performed quite well by scoring many goals. well, let's just see one remaining match against Stuttgart. the match will be held at Stuttgart's home ground, will PSG be able to continue to show good performance in the away game, it's interesting for us to wait.

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January 23, 2025, 07:45:19 PM
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I never understood the PSG situation. I mean look at Premier league, yeah sure City is owned by rich people, but so does most other teams, City isn't the only one. Why is PSG owned by super rich people and no other team can compete with them? Why does no other rich person just wants to buy a club at France and make them compete with PSG?

If PSG can be owned by wealthy people and spend bunch of money, that means legally other teams can do the same thing, but for some reason other teams are not getting that. I get that France isn't really lovely in football sense, its the famous "farmers" league, but if any wealthy person ended up buying a team and make them champions over PSG, that clubs worth would go up too, so its not just a fun thing to own a club, but it would be financially great idea too.

In my opinion, the French Ligue 1 clubs, with the exception of PSG, do not want to be bought. When you have greedy managers who do not want to give up power, they would not accept selling the club and losing their jobs. There are many cases of people, mainly football players, who have bought third division clubs, but there are few cases, I would venture to say rare cases in which a first division club has been sold. This does not happen very often because the members of these first division clubs live based on the money they earn thanks to the club, that is their biggest source of income, which is why they will not sell.

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January 23, 2025, 08:09:24 PM
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We saw another PSG in yesterday's game against Manchester City. It was just a splendid performance, coming from two goals down to win such an important game. Saying they won the game because of luck is underrating them and underrating thier hard work. I wouldn't also say that the Ligue One side are now favourites to win the UEFA Champions League because of this win because the club they won is having a bad time in the English Premier League.

PSG's next game will be a big test. VfB Stuttgart is a strong side and the German side with be at home in MHP Arena. They have won three straight matches in the Bundesliga showing that they are in form. Both teams are struggling to qualify for the playoffs.
PSG managed to make many people speechless, they managed to break many predictions, and they showed everyone that they also deserved to win. We knew before the match started that Man City was more favored, and surprisingly Enrique squad managed to secure full points. Of course, the additional three points were achieved thanks to hard work, not just luck. Therefore, to be fair, I think we should also appreciate their success. PSG next match against Stuttgart will be the final decider for the next step, and it will clearly be difficult for both teams. However, on paper, beating Stuttgart is a little easier than beating Man City, and I predict that PSG will be able to maintain their consistency.
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