[UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Merge Mine w/BTC! - Update NOW to qt 0.11.5

[cryptapus]

I just created a 10-word brainwallet at cryptap.us! It's short, but they are obscure, unrelated words, think it's secure? I'm going to test out its security with some tiny funds, but I don't know if I fully trust any address generated from a website. Is cryptap.us proven safe? I guess I could search that myself to find out. That site is really cool though!

I'm looking into the copay feature right now, exciting stuff!

10 words is probably close, depending on the words. If the words are a phrase in any literature of any kind you will almost certainly have problems. If they are a meaningless un-ordered phrase you're probably in good shape. Both the paperwallet and brainwallet javascript is altered from the bitcoin version so definitely take advantage of any security questions you google from those.

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[BitcoinNational]

"If the words are a phrase in any literature of any kind you will almost certainly have problems."

Are there really machines out there trying to brute force with any any string of words ever put into print?

Wow!

[siameze]

"If the words are a phrase in any literature of any kind you will almost certainly have problems."

Are there really machines out there trying to brute force with any any string of words ever put into print?

Wow!

Yes there are lots of things like this. A simple example is phuctor located here: http://nosuchlabs.com/  It is the only public computer I know of currently being used to factor rsa keys (It also allows you to test key intergrity). Similar things exist for passwords and even bitcoin keys. Remember the blockchain.info debacle? Reusing k and R values is bad, as discussed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.0.

For those wanting to know more about ECDSA exploits, this is an excellent paper: http://bit.ly/1DpEBac

[IMZ]

@ Cryptapus, gonna look at co-pay, then ask more questions.

m

[cryptapus]

"If the words are a phrase in any literature of any kind you will almost certainly have problems."

Are there really machines out there trying to brute force with any any string of words ever put into print?

Wow!

Yes there are lots of things like this. A simple example is phuctor located here: http://nosuchlabs.com/  It is the only public computer I know of currently being used to factor rsa keys (It also allows you to test key intergrity). Similar things exist for passwords and even bitcoin keys. Remember the blockchain.info debacle? Reusing k and R values is bad, as discussed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.0.

For those wanting to know more about ECDSA exploits, this is an excellent paper: http://bit.ly/1DpEBac

High quality links, thanks.

It's a very serious problem in some implementations. An attacker doesn't even need the network for these attacks, just a local copy of the blockchain and a phrase source. The attack can be performed off-line on fast machines, clusters, etc... Most guidance is to never use a brainwallet unless the characters or phase is generated with proper entropy. The general paperwallet method (mouse movement) is considered safe by most. jswallet I consider safe because of the way the brainwallet is generated (via mouse movement as well). You could take a large numerated word list and use dice to calculate a brainwallet phrase... I believe that's similar to how an Electrum seed is generated (minus the dice, plus /dev/urandom)

[siameze]

"If the words are a phrase in any literature of any kind you will almost certainly have problems."

Are there really machines out there trying to brute force with any any string of words ever put into print?

Wow!

Yes there are lots of things like this. A simple example is phuctor located here: http://nosuchlabs.com/  It is the only public computer I know of currently being used to factor rsa keys (It also allows you to test key intergrity). Similar things exist for passwords and even bitcoin keys. Remember the blockchain.info debacle? Reusing k and R values is bad, as discussed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.0.

For those wanting to know more about ECDSA exploits, this is an excellent paper: http://bit.ly/1DpEBac

High quality links, thanks.

It's a very serious problem in some implementations. An attacker doesn't even need the network for these attacks, just a local copy of the blockchain and a phrase source. The attack can be performed off-line on fast machines, clusters, etc... Most guidance is to never use a brainwallet unless the characters or phase is generated with proper entropy. The general paperwallet method (mouse movement) is considered safe by most. jswallet I consider safe because of the way the brainwallet is generated (via mouse movement as well). You could take a large numerated word list and use dice to calculate a brainwallet phrase... I believe that's similar to how an Electrum seed is generated (minus the dice, plus /dev/urandom)

Yes, it produces entropy randomly via mouse movements. I think I recall discussing how to use the jswallet offline with IMZ ( if you are really nuts about security).

This: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-to-make-a-bitcoin-address-with-a-ti-89-calculator
and
This: http://www.swansontec.com/bitcoin-dice.html

[IMZ]

" I think I recall discussing how to use the jswallet offline with IMZ ( if you are really nuts about security)."

It wasn't actually me, S.; and I am embarrassingly far behind you guys; but I have come a long long way, and am keen to keep making progress.

And 'being nuts about security' is gonna be a saleable product.

m

[BitcoinNational]

re: case use of UNO

This is always a constant question raised by newb investors / investigators.

First, once you have a deeper understanding of what is UNO, then you get a sense of the case use but it does not translate well for a 30 sec pitch.  You have to capture nano-attention spans.  So the nuts and bolts stuff is on another level.  Those investors are already here or circling in on UNO already.

So what's the case use?

I say stick with PMs.  Many here already like PMs and hold.  We have a beta tested program.  Also there was also a rare gemstone mentioned in a thread.  Perhaps something like that.  We offer a specific rare an expensive product as the case use.

Hold your horses

I am not suggesting it is the one and only product in the inventor.  Once your lured into the uno-verse, then you start to crack open the value of being attached to the hash rate power and tech support of btcNET, the rarity, the fair distro, the mature core community, and other things.  

But what would be the one product people can instantly associate UNO with?
Like Amber coin is associated with amber.  
Nucoin is associated with one u$d.  
Archcoin is associated with some boat thing.
etc.

We've toyed with this idea for awhile, but I am putting on the table that we need to be marketing a simple tag line by Feb 2016 ...

"Uno = XXX"

*It has to be something real and tangible.

here's my idea: mini-sized gold coins in sacks

[IMZ]

"Association" as marketing tactic? Yup!

Not peg.

Peg? No.

'a s s o c i a t i o n'

[NextTroll]

Hi everyone!

I have a problem syncing the wallet. It gives a "No block sources available" error message.

The client I downloaded few times from unobtanium.uno is not writing anything to %appdata%/roaming, so I tried to create a folder and a unobtanium.conf file as following:

rpcuser=ddd
rpcpassword=ddd
rpcport=65535
port=65534
server=1
listen=1
daemon=1
rpcallow=192.168.0.*

addnode=104.131.25.221
addnode=108.236.74.83
addnode=137.135.57.119
addnode=144.76.239.66
addnode=144.76.64.123
addnode=158.255.89.244
addnode=162.216.4.199
addnode=162.243.47.14
addnode=167.114.156.87
addnode=178.33.209.208
addnode=178.62.145.250
addnode=185.50.213.123
addnode=188.138.33.239
addnode=188.138.94.6
addnode=192.95.29.153
addnode=192.99.245.21
addnode=192.99.35.133
addnode=198.15.127.242
addnode=199.192.77.162
addnode=199.192.78.194
addnode=24.253.79.233
addnode=31.210.169.150
addnode=46.166.186.239
addnode=50.35.57.246
addnode=63.247.147.166
addnode=64.156.193.100
addnode=68.232.186.171
addnode=69.197.61.58
addnode=70.40.55.248
addnode=71.231.13.60
addnode=71.244.110.93
addnode=71.9.173.160
addnode=79.198.76.26
addnode=82.221.108.28
addnode=85.24.142.191
addnode=86.133.32.62
addnode=94.23.213.47
addnode=94.23.32.109
addnode=98.164.3.167
addnode=98.198.26.41
addnode=71.7.130.11
addnode=p2pool.org:65534
addnode=69.85.86.195


Still i cannot upgrade my wallet.

Firewall is OFF.

Other wallets are syncing.


Any idea?

I works fine with these settings

[HagbardCeline]

Try deleting peers.dat and re-opening the wallet, should synch at that point.

[Krypto Superdog]

Mac wallets are currently nowhere to be found:

http://unobtanium.uno/download/Unobtanium-Bluechist.dmg

404's out.

10.0 not synching anymore.

Try  again, http://unobtanium.uno/download/Unobtanium-Bluechist.dmg

Sorry I accidentally broke the link during an update. Will try to do better testing going forward.

FYI that version still won't open on my mac.  probably not compatible with current versions of OSX.

pnoch's "Unobtanium Core version v0.10.0.0-gf8e2039-preMM (64-bit)" works great though

[BitcoinNational]

yes not talking peg a product to UNO
word association linking a product to UNO

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bitcoin breaking?
took 2 hours to mint 1 block?
https://insight.bitpay.com/block/00000000000000000b960bb9ef694c8df73e0565a73f3282c6c71a0e353d99f2

blockchain.info way off, not sure what is going on.

[cryptapus]

yes not talking peg a product to UNO
word association linking a product to UNO

-------------
bitcoin breaking?
took 2 hours to mint 1 block?
https://insight.bitpay.com/block/00000000000000000b960bb9ef694c8df73e0565a73f3282c6c71a0e353d99f2

blockchain.info way off, not sure what is going on.

blockchain.info has been hacked (probably).... It was showing Satoshi's block 1 coins move but all other explorers say it's not true...

[siameze]

yes not talking peg a product to UNO
word association linking a product to UNO

-------------
bitcoin breaking?
took 2 hours to mint 1 block?
https://insight.bitpay.com/block/00000000000000000b960bb9ef694c8df73e0565a73f3282c6c71a0e353d99f2

blockchain.info way off, not sure what is going on.

blockchain.info has been hacked (probably).... It was showing Satoshi's block 1 coins move but all other explorers say it's not true...

https://www.bitgo.com/api/v1/tx/26d80a02ebdd9886b5a859c69c3470b2150488324e31f309d7981f575662a726   <<< confirmed it is blockchain.info derping about again. satoshi's coins haven't moved.

[lin0sspice]

Blueman. you need to read back what are you talking about, as respect, i don't think you understand testnet or mainnet coin.

Proto is just another altcoin dude testnet or mainnet as we look at it.

You still can trade mine and do whatever mainnet coin can do.
If there will be more seednode, syncing up permanently, dev can't reset the chain. It still move up from permanent node.
As i do right now, I did set up a little seed node for PROTO to testing it, however, It can be permanant later on, whether or not dev will reset it.

You don't like it, move on. Know one tell you to buy or mine it, dev already said twice or more, it is experiment.

EDITED: I as write it out, difficulty just hit 100,000
3 TH/s on testnet.

[natmccoy]

FYI:

Subscribing, posting and commenting on the Unobtanium subreddit, or following Unobtanium on Twitter, will increase Unobtanium's community score on CoinGecko. Unobtanium is currently ranked 51st with a community score of 26. For reference: Bitcoin has a community score of 98, Dogecoin: 70, Diamond: 23, Paycoin: 6.9.

We also have a low liquidity score, but that's just due to low volume and shouldn't necessarily be something we want to increase. If UNO is considered a commodity worthy of holding, low volume relative to the market cap is just fine.

Use reddit.com/r/unobtanium

[tertius993]

Blueman. you need to read back what are you talking about, as respect, i don't think you understand testnet or mainnet coin.

Proto is just another altcoin dude testnet or mainnet as we look at it.

You still can trade mine and do whatever mainnet coin can do.
If there will be more seednode, syncing up permanently, dev can't reset the chain. It still move up from permanent node.
As i do right now, I did set up a little seed node for PROTO to testing it, however, It can be permanant later on, whether or not dev will reset it.

You don't like it, move on. Know one tell you to buy or mine it, dev already said twice or more, it is experiment.

EDITED: I as write it out, difficulty just hit 100,000
3 TH/s on testnet.

I do not agree.  It is not just another altcoin, it is the testnet for UNO. If the UNO testnet becomes heavily mined or traded in its own right its value as a test environment is compromised.

If what was wanted was an altcoin that looked like UNO then one should have been created - uno2 or whatever and that could have had exactly the same characteristics as UNO.

Further, I would argue that the only people mining Proto are those that would have been mining UNO so it is siy cannibalising UNO hashrate. However, given that merge mining is in  place that probably won't have a serious impact.

[sirsmokesalot]

Blueman. you need to read back what are you talking about, as respect, i don't think you understand testnet or mainnet coin.

Proto is just another altcoin dude testnet or mainnet as we look at it.

You still can trade mine and do whatever mainnet coin can do.
If there will be more seednode, syncing up permanently, dev can't reset the chain. It still move up from permanent node.
As i do right now, I did set up a little seed node for PROTO to testing it, however, It can be permanant later on, whether or not dev will reset it.

You don't like it, move on. Know one tell you to buy or mine it, dev already said twice or more, it is experiment.

EDITED: I as write it out, difficulty just hit 100,000
3 TH/s on testnet.

I do not agree.  It is not just another altcoin, it is the testnet for UNO. If the UNO testnet becomes heavily mined or traded in its own right its value as a test environment is compromised.

If what was wanted was an altcoin that looked like UNO then one should have been created - uno2 or whatever and that could have had exactly the same characteristics as UNO.

Further, I would argue that the only people mining Proto are those that would have been mining UNO so it is siy cannibalising UNO hashrate. However, given that merge mining is in  place that probably won't have a serious impact.

Well wtf else is supposed to happen when you brand it? Of course it is going to compromise the test environment by welcoming new people whose objective it is to monetize over innovate.

Can you have a testnet on a testnet? Get some inception type shit going on? It would seem possible, like the number of testnets would have no limit? Is the testnet just an environment where you can have numerous instances running?

[siameze]

Blueman. you need to read back what are you talking about, as respect, i don't think you understand testnet or mainnet coin.

Proto is just another altcoin dude testnet or mainnet as we look at it.

You still can trade mine and do whatever mainnet coin can do.
If there will be more seednode, syncing up permanently, dev can't reset the chain. It still move up from permanent node.
As i do right now, I did set up a little seed node for PROTO to testing it, however, It can be permanant later on, whether or not dev will reset it.

You don't like it, move on. Know one tell you to buy or mine it, dev already said twice or more, it is experiment.

EDITED: I as write it out, difficulty just hit 100,000
3 TH/s on testnet.

I do not agree.  It is not just another altcoin, it is the testnet for UNO. If the UNO testnet becomes heavily mined or traded in its own right its value as a test environment is compromised.

If what was wanted was an altcoin that looked like UNO then one should have been created - uno2 or whatever and that could have had exactly the same characteristics as UNO.

Further, I would argue that the only people mining Proto are those that would have been mining UNO so it is siy cannibalising UNO hashrate. However, given that merge mining is in  place that probably won't have a serious impact.

Well wtf else is supposed to happen when you brand it? Of course it is going to compromise the test environment by welcoming new people whose objective it is to monetize over innovate.

Can you have a testnet on a testnet? Get some inception type shit going on? It would seem possible, like the number of testnets would have no limit? Is the testnet just an environment where you can have numerous instances running?

You summed it up rather succintly, I have heard absolutely zero in regards to the testnet being used to try or develop new innovative features. No, the resounding cry is the same as if it were any other coin: Let's point all the hash we can find at it, drive the diff up, and see if we can make a few satoshi off of it: thereby leaving none in the hands of developers it was intended for. You all have fun with that strategy.