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Well the race was a great one even if he had a bit of a show only in the last laps when punctures appeared everywhere. Funny how only Mercedes teams had punctures right ? For me it's obvious that FIA wants to make Max champions and they will do what they can to make Mercedes races uncomfortable. In the end , I hope that Lewis will win and take his 8th title.
Now ,a serious question for F1 fans. What would've happen if Prime Lewis would fight Prime Max ? I think Lewis would beat him 9 out of 10. What this means ? It means that Max is fighting and old Lewis already and he barely can move a finger on him. Lewis is the goat , even if we like it or not.
Yeah, that was a bad wheel grinding the track causing damage enough to have the virtual safety car to be assigned with only a few laps left to go in the race. It was a Hamilton win at the podium taking it Qatar with Verstappen and Alonzo alongside him and Bottas taking the constructor trophy. Which was a nice touch since he will be retiring as buwaytress had mentioned in his post. The next race in Saudi Arabia (Jeddah Corniche Circuit) should be a good one with Lewis making a show of it with the final tracks to go before this year's season is done and dusted.
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Now ,a serious question for F1 fans. What would've happen if Prime Lewis would fight Prime Max ? I think Lewis would beat him 9 out of 10. What this means ? It means that Max is fighting and old Lewis already and he barely can move a finger on him. Lewis is the goat , even if we like it or not.
It is just so crazy to see that Lewis still manages to snag majority of the victories despite some heavy setbacks this season. Even if he is considered old, if Max were to race against a prime Lewis, I do agree that the latter would win 9 out of 10 times. I am just happy to see Alonso back on the podium. As far as I can remember, the last time Alonso went on the podium was like 8-9 years ago around 2013? He managed to defend his position very well despite some pressure coming from Checo. With all the punctures happening, this was definitely a good race to witness! I would also give preference to Hamilton in this matter, given what he has already achieved and continues to achieve. With all due respect to Max, but he still has a lot to grow and an arrogant character is not always a guarantee of success. However, I seem to have seen progress for the better in this matter with Verstappen lately, but some of his words and actions still make me think about the previous Max. However, given the current situation, there are certain reasons to behave nervously. I am also happy for Fernando Alonso that he finally managed to get on the podium after taking second place at the stage in Hungary in 2014 as part of Ferrari.
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We really have a lot of combinations as a possible outcome for the title to be decided in the last race.
On the other hand, there are few combinations for which Verstappen can become champion already in the next GP.
Max will win the title in the next race only if one of this 4 outcomes will happen
-He wins and Hamilton 6 -He wins + fast lap and Hamilton 5 -2nd and fast lap and Hamilton 10 -2nd and Hamilton no points
I must note that these options are quite likely, plus if the race ends with any other advantage of Verstappen, then Hamilton's chances will drop to almost zero (since not everything will depend on him and even taking first place in last race he will lose the championship). At the same time, the bookmakers' odds now look like this: Hamilton 1,64 Verstappen 2,25 ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif)
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if the race ends with any other advantage of Verstappen, then Hamilton's chances will drop to almost zero (since not everything will depend on him and even taking first place in last race he will lose the championship). At the same time, the bookmakers' odds now look like this:
Hamilton 1,64 Verstappen 2,25
Hamilton's car is now much faster than the Red Bull, Hamilton will not go down easy, so yeah, I find the odds pretty much as expected. For the next race I've seen 3.00 offered for betting on Max... Somehow everything has changed greatly with the new engine...
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It was a great race weekend I think. Hamilton was extremely fast and it was obvious that he was going to win the race in Qatar. It was an unfortunate race for Bottas and the Mercedes side as a result. He made a simple mistake and had a blowout. And a little time after it, the team had no choice rather than retiring the car. After this incident, Hamilton was left alone there. And as a result, the fastest lap belonged to a Red Bull driver who was Max Verstappen. It was an important extra point for Verstappen. And aside from all of this, it was a special day for Fernando Alonso as he ended at the 3rd place being on the podium. What a great race he had really!
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I think Verstappen does take the championship so long as he does nothing stupid and is not especially punished for past stupidity perhaps. If he can take it by being 2nd, I think he has to be rated as most probable to take the entire thing because obviously he is well capable of 1st also. Lewis might deserve it for our recent memory of his performance but the its a long season and I've seen this photo finish effect before, so I'd guess Verstappen at this point.
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I think Verstappen does take the championship so long as he does nothing stupid and is not especially punished for past stupidity perhaps. If he can take it by being 2nd, I think he has to be rated as most probable to take the entire thing because obviously he is well capable of 1st also. Lewis might deserve it for our recent memory of his performance but the its a long season and I've seen this photo finish effect before, so I'd guess Verstappen at this point.
Obviously, Mercedes has better cars than Red Bull and the most important task is to make this advantage manifest itself with a winning double in one of the last two races. I'm not sure that Max will continue to behave like this when Bottas manages to stay behind Max on a clearly faster car. Therefore, yes, the advantage in points is still on Verstappen's side and, accordingly, there seems to be more chances to win the title, but Mercedes solved the problems with their car by the end of the season and in this regard they have all the cards up their sleeve. However, there is too little time left before the end of the championship and everything can be solved by small nuances and elementary luck.
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if the race ends with any other advantage of Verstappen, then Hamilton's chances will drop to almost zero (since not everything will depend on him and even taking first place in last race he will lose the championship). At the same time, the bookmakers' odds now look like this:
Hamilton 1,64 Verstappen 2,25
Hamilton's car is now much faster than the Red Bull, Hamilton will not go down easy, so yeah, I find the odds pretty much as expected. For the next race I've seen 3.00 offered for betting on Max... Somehow everything has changed greatly with the new engine... Yes, I know that now Mercedes is ahead in this regard, but it is often difficult to convert a technical advantage into a point advantage. There are many other factors that can prevent you from successfully completing the race, so such chances seem too skewed to me. Still, Verstappen's point advantage is very high considering the remaining two races.
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The last race in Qatar brought even more intrigue this season. Hamilton has closed the gap with Verstappen and still has the opportunity to be first this season. I also really like the victory of Alonso. I haven't seen him on the podium for a long time. Ahead is a completely new track in Saudi Arabia. But I must say, in general, such dry races in the heat and in these eastern countries I do not particularly like. Somehow there is no such severity and intrigue.
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Rather than predicting the winner, it makes more sense to start betting on who will be second, as Hamilton seems to have a huge grip on the tournament and the car does not seem to have any flaw. Carlos and Fernando do not seem like serious competitors in the general clasification, despite being clearly able to do more with a lesser car and a lesser budget. I think that Ferrari is not willing to put into the game what is required to win and that means that betting is becoming a bit boring this season.
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Rather than predicting the winner, it makes more sense to start betting on who will be second, as Hamilton seems to have a huge grip on the tournament and the car does not seem to have any flaw. Carlos and Fernando do not seem like serious competitors in the general clasification, despite being clearly able to do more with a lesser car and a lesser budget. I think that Ferrari is not willing to put into the game what is required to win and that means that betting is becoming a bit boring this season.
In my opinion, even if Hamilton would have participated in the race alone, it would be unreasonable to bet on his victory (on the fact that he will reach the finish line) with odds of, for example, 1.01. There is always a place for accidents, technical failures, human factors and more. Therefore, no matter how good the car and Hamilton himself are, giving him the first place in advance is a big risk and an erroneous assumption.
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The last race in Qatar brought even more intrigue this season. Hamilton has closed the gap with Verstappen and still has the opportunity to be first this season. I also really like the victory of Alonso. I haven't seen him on the podium for a long time. Ahead is a completely new track in Saudi Arabia. But I must say, in general, such dry races in the heat and in these eastern countries I do not particularly like. Somehow there is no such severity and intrigue.
Hamilton and Verstappen's relationship has not been good since the incident, but whatever the story behind it. I'm sure Hamilton will stay focused on this match. How Hamilton got a penalty earlier but still won. I still believe that their team will be won by Hamilton. Hopefully in the next match intrigue as you say won't repeat. For the sake of a fair match for all teams.
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I think Verstappen does take the championship so long as he does nothing stupid and is not especially punished for past stupidity perhaps. If he can take it by being 2nd, I think he has to be rated as most probable to take the entire thing because obviously he is well capable of 1st also. Lewis might deserve it for our recent memory of his performance but the its a long season and I've seen this photo finish effect before, so I'd guess Verstappen at this point.
Obviously, Mercedes has better cars than Red Bull and the most important task is to make this advantage manifest itself with a winning double in one of the last two races. I'm not sure that Max will continue to behave like this when Bottas manages to stay behind Max on a clearly faster car. Therefore, yes, the advantage in points is still on Verstappen's side and, accordingly, there seems to be more chances to win the title, but Mercedes solved the problems with their car by the end of the season and in this regard they have all the cards up their sleeve. However, there is too little time left before the end of the championship and everything can be solved by small nuances and elementary luck. According to some reports, Mercedes has exploited a gray area in the laws. The fixed rear wing moves during the straight line, which makes the downforce less and therefore greater speed... I mean, we say that a fake mini DRS system works outside the areas allowed by the laws, any fixed dynamic part should not be It moves by more than 2 mm and it seems that Mercedes found the loophole and exploited it. Helmut Marko was honest when he said it was impossible that the engine alone gave the advantage to Mercedes
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According to some reports, Mercedes has exploited a gray area in the laws. The fixed rear wing moves during the straight line, which makes the downforce less and therefore greater speed... I mean, we say that a fake mini DRS system works outside the areas allowed by the laws, any fixed dynamic part should not be It moves by more than 2 mm and it seems that Mercedes found the loophole and exploited it. Helmut Marko was honest when he said it was impossible that the engine alone gave the advantage to Mercedes
I wonder how substantiated this information is and what consequences it will lead to. In my opinion, the regulators will not interfere here and inflate some kind of problem from this for one simple reason: the current championship is competitive and nothing needs to be changed. But I remember how, in the days of Hakkinen, Michelin tires, due to a loophole in the rules, gained a huge advantage over Bridgestone tires and because of this, the championship ceased to be competitive (Mercedes on Michelin dominated Ferrari on Bridgestone), the regulators quickly intervened and closed the loophole.
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According to some reports, Mercedes has exploited a gray area in the laws. The fixed rear wing moves during the straight line, which makes the downforce less and therefore greater speed... I mean, we say that a fake mini DRS system works outside the areas allowed by the laws, any fixed dynamic part should not be It moves by more than 2 mm and it seems that Mercedes found the loophole and exploited it. Helmut Marko was honest when he said it was impossible that the engine alone gave the advantage to Mercedes
I would not be surprised. It's probably not the first time and it may also be one of the reasons Eric Blandin is leaving. No matter how good pilot Lewis is, the performance from Brazil wouldn't be possible without a car much better than everybody's. And the difference (in performance) from the car from just one week before was... big.
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I think Verstappen does take the championship so long as he does nothing stupid and is not especially punished for past stupidity perhaps. If he can take it by being 2nd, I think he has to be rated as most probable to take the entire thing because obviously he is well capable of 1st also. Lewis might deserve it for our recent memory of his performance but the its a long season and I've seen this photo finish effect before, so I'd guess Verstappen at this point.
Obviously, Mercedes has better cars than Red Bull and the most important task is to make this advantage manifest itself with a winning double in one of the last two races. I'm not sure that Max will continue to behave like this when Bottas manages to stay behind Max on a clearly faster car. Therefore, yes, the advantage in points is still on Verstappen's side and, accordingly, there seems to be more chances to win the title, but Mercedes solved the problems with their car by the end of the season and in this regard they have all the cards up their sleeve. However, there is too little time left before the end of the championship and everything can be solved by small nuances and elementary luck. According to some reports, Mercedes has exploited a gray area in the laws. The fixed rear wing moves during the straight line, which makes the downforce less and therefore greater speed... I mean, we say that a fake mini DRS system works outside the areas allowed by the laws, any fixed dynamic part should not be It moves by more than 2 mm and it seems that Mercedes found the loophole and exploited it. Helmut Marko was honest when he said it was impossible that the engine alone gave the advantage to Mercedes In my opinion, humble might it be when it comes to F1 racing, Mercedes will do everything in their power to gain the advantage even if they get penalized for it. If it means shaving a tenth of a second off, which means a hell of alot in this sport, then so be it. They more than certainly would rather take the chance in doing it and getting a suspension than rightly know their crews are capable of these modifications and doing nothing.
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In my opinion, humble might it be when it comes to F1 racing, Mercedes will do everything in their power to gain the advantage even if they get penalized for it. If it means shaving a tenth of a second off, which means a hell of alot in this sport, then so be it. They more than certainly would rather take the chance in doing it and getting a suspension than rightly know their crews are capable of these modifications and doing nothing.
If the potential profit is higher than the risk of a penalty, then this is a perfectly reasonable strategy. Plus, as I wrote above, Formula 1 is no less corrupt sport than any other, so if Mercedes is involved in some murky schemes, they know what they are doing. By the way, judging by the fact that this information does not go beyond mere rumors, in this case everything is Ok.
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In my opinion, humble might it be when it comes to F1 racing, Mercedes will do everything in their power to gain the advantage even if they get penalized for it. If it means shaving a tenth of a second off, which means a hell of alot in this sport, then so be it. They more than certainly would rather take the chance in doing it and getting a suspension than rightly know their crews are capable of these modifications and doing nothing.
If the potential profit is higher than the risk of a penalty, then this is a perfectly reasonable strategy. Plus, as I wrote above, Formula 1 is no less corrupt sport than any other, so if Mercedes is involved in some murky schemes, they know what they are doing. By the way, judging by the fact that this information does not go beyond mere rumors, in this case everything is Ok. For many years now, the main objective of sport isnt longer fun, but the money involved. F1 is one of the sports that involves the most money, and it's to be expected that there is corruption in the middle of it, as in any other professional sport, unfortunately. In F1 we've seen many cases where teams deliberately chose to break the rules, knowing that a punishment would have less of an impact than the benefit of getting a few more ranking positions. And that's why penalties have evolved... today it's much harder for a team to lose 5 seconds in boxers than it's to pay a 1 million fine.
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