Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[LTU_btc]

If I were a Russian living in Crimea or other occupied territories I would start packing NOW.

Crimean Bridge is out of service, AGAIN. LOL.

Russians are planning to re-open bridge in 2 weeks, but I think that it will take few months because damage is very significant. It's only bad that railway part wasn't affected. Now it's possible to reach Crimea through occupied Southern Ukraine, but it doesn't looks like safest road.
BTW, it's nice that attack was made exactly on the same day when Medvedev promised instant judgement day if someone will try to attack Crimea bridge:
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/judgement-day-will-come-for-ukraine-if-crimea-is-attacked-they-cant-escape-russia-articleshow.html

I am sorry for the little girl who was injured there and that her parents died but Russia does not learn in any other way.There were a lot of people in the Crimean bridge right now from the traffic jam which is in kilometers because Russians were going on holiday there on Crimea,normally only crazy people go on holiday in a war zone like Crimea is.If I were those people in the Kerch bridge I would go back to Russia as who knows,some other underwater drones may be used again and this would be a catastrophic tragedy for all the people who still insist on staying there.Russia should start asking their citizens back from the bridge if they care about them at all.

Somehow I don't feel sorry after looking at their photos on social media, it looks that they were Rashists who support what Russia is doing in Ukraine:
https://vk.com/wall-49684148_4592988
It's not that Ukraine should start killing civilians, but people should undertand that illegal bridge isn't safest place and it's legitimate target.

Meanwhile Russian jets continue to fall without even reaching front, this time Su-25 fall into Azov sea in Krasnodar region:
https://t.me/pdmnews/61287 Pilot died.

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[DaRude]

If I were a Russian living in Crimea or other occupied territories I would start packing NOW.

Crimean Bridge is out of service, AGAIN. LOL.

Instead, crazy Russians seem pissed and volunteer for frontline in even bigger numbers

Story about wounded girl that lost mother and father in attack is as good as FSB could
ask for

Of course Branko, everyone is useful for the mission right?

I don't think the Russia-Ukraine conflict will end easily. Russia maintains war with Ukraine. On the other hand, Russia wants to take some parts of Ukraine for which they are continuing this war. Because if Russia can occupy some part of Ukraine then it is their own gain.

It has become a long term conflict, or at least it seems to becoming one, sadly.
The only thing about it which I would call positive is the fact that Russia alone cannot hold a long term battle against Ukraine alone, for now the Klemlin depends on the support of their biggest ally: The popular Republic of China.

If someone USA convinced or pressured Chine to stop their military and economical aid to Putin, then Russia would have it very difficult to continue their attacks, they already are getting in trouble economically being their cheap offer of energy a sample of it, in my opinion.

Id wish this non-sense stopped right now, if possible...

This caught my eye, think you have fundamental misunderstanding of the conflict, which puts you in a constant state of bewilderment as to why something is (or is not) happening. Your curios mind led you here for answers, but all the local clown "experts" (propagandists) can do, is to overwhelm you with irrelevant micro level information to sway you their way. Any macro questions are discouraged and just covered by "crazy orcs" or nazis, to dissuade any further questions.

Look at US/NATO military bases around China, looks where major military build up is happening outside of Ukraine theater, look at blockade of Cuba that's still going on for 30yrs+ any if anyone really cares for the right of sovereign nations or its people, and current justifications for it. Then ask yourself how long would the commie regime last after the fall of Russia and the sudden onset of democracy cookies (soft power) onto Kazakhstan. Then the question whether the nation that coined such phrases as "death by a thousand cuts" and "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by" can be convinced or pressured into stopping aid to Russia, should becomes irrelevant. As well as shed some light on why this counteroffensive was so drummed up, how it's really going, what will happen in about 8 weeks, mid September, once weather changes and any maneuvering becomes impossible and we revert back to positional arty scorched earth advances. Might also look into who historically benefits from the winter season.

https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-open-japan-office-enable-indo-pacific-consultation-report-2023-05-03

Nah, CCP government has no more resilience than the USSR did - do you remember or were you busy when it collapsed?

China as any nation has interests and can be pressured and convinced (I think more convinced than pressured) if it is in their interest. China does not have any more attachment to the RF that it would to any other instrument, party, country or organisation.

What I think is that China needs a strong Russia, to balance the US, and a balanced Russia that does threat with Nukes as a system of living (e.g. North Korea). Russia is not helping at all in any of these.

China is relatively organised and is using the opportunity to look like a mediator and a country of peace.

Glad we both agree that China needs a strong Russia, but I never claimed that China has some special attachment to the RF, but instead saying that they're behaving strictly in the interest of their own self-preservation, which is logical. Just not sure how you then do a 180 flip and try to argue that China can be convinced against that?

How many cookies do you think it'd take to turn Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan against China if Russia falls? A half or they'll do it for free that same day? Willing to speculate how long you think Chinese commie regime would last after Russia falls, and it would be left with North Korea as their only ally?

A party that operates on 30yr+ horizons disregards human life and easily willing to sacrifice decades/generations for some ideology/long term goal, I mean sure, i guess with quantum uncertainty and multiverse technically anything is possible, just good luck convincing people that it's probable.

And you also contradicted yourself by bringing up North Korea, or do you really not know who's backing and allowing them to develop and threaten other with nukes?? But they wouldn't back Russia because of that   umm ok guess it is a position to take

Edit:
"...as any nation has interests and can be pressured and convinced..." you are correct here. So lets try it with other nations.

ChinaUSA as any nation has interests and can be pressured and convinced (I think more convinced than pressured) if it is in their interest. ChinaUSA does not have any more attachment to the RFUkraine that it would to any other instrument, party, country or organisation.

Now the million dollar question is what do you think is more likely to happen, Russia (and inevitable China) collapse thus leaving us with a one world government, or things reverting to their status quo circa 2013? And the biggest question is which would you really prefer.

[coolcoinz]

I guess now Ukrainians are going to wait until Russians fix the bridge and blow it up again to troll the enemy and show them the futility of their actions.

Meanwhile Russian jets continue to fall without even reaching front, this time Su-25 fall into Azov sea in Krasnodar region:
https://t.me/pdmnews/61287 Pilot died.

It's another instance where Russian pilot ejects and drowns. They should improve the systems in these jets, but then, Russians never had much regard for human life.

[BADecker]

^^^ Now Ukraine is dealing in cigarettes. That was a Lucky Strike.


It Is America First, Not Ukraine


https://discernreport.com/it-is-america-first-not-ukraine/
To prepare for the "spring offensive," President Joe Biden authorized another $675 million to help the Ukrainian military. After the military progress was halted by the Russians, Biden decided to send controversial cluster munitions to the Ukrainian military.

These munitions are banned by more than 100 nations because of the "large numbers of smaller bomblets that can kill indiscriminately over a wide area." In many cases, the victims are innocent civilians.

This decision will inevitably lead to an escalation as Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed his country has a "stockpile of different kinds of cluster bombs." He vowed, "if they are used against us, we reserve the right to take reciprocal action."

As the war intensifies, there seems to be zero progress on the diplomatic front. However, we need to pursue peace talks immediately before a nuclear war starts.

President Donald Trump has been sounding the alarm about the irresponsible actions of the Biden administration in Ukraine. He posted on Truth Social, "Joe Biden should not be dragging us further toward World War III by sending cluster munitions to Ukraine—he should be trying to END the war and stop the horrific death and destruction being caused by an incompetent administration."
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[JackMazzoni]

Russia deploys over 100,000 personnel, 900 tanks, 555 artillery, on Kupiansk-Lyman front.

[be.open]

Well, as I suggested earlier, Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal. This will deprive Ukraine of revenues to the budget for the sale of Ukrainian grain in the amount of at least 500 million dollars a month. Tonight, combined missile and drone strikes were carried out on military targets in the ports of Nikolaev and Odessa.

[BADecker]

And here I thought there weren't any grain deals with Russia because of the sanctions. Looks like the media has been full of BS for a long time, now.


Russia Terminates Black Sea Grain Deal, Wheat Prices Spike, As Extent Of Crimea Bridge Terrorist Attack Revealed


https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-terminates-black-sea-grain-deal-wheat-prices-spike-extent-crimea-bridge
Wheat prices jumped as news broke Monday that Russia let the UN-brokered grain deal lapse at midnight, Istanbul time, marking the end of the Turkey-administered humanitarian corridor which let Ukrainian grains get exported to global markets. Russia since confirmed the deal has been "terminated". According to the latest from Moscow, as well as the US reaction:

Russian U.N. Mission: No more talks planned on black sea grain deal, Russia's decision to withdraw is final — RIA

RUSSIA TELLS UN SHIPPING AGENCY IMO THAT END OF BLACK SEA GRAIN DEAL MEANS 'GUARANTEES FOR SAFETY OF NAVIGATION ISSUED BY RUSSIAN SIDE WILL BE REVOKED' - LETTER EXCERPT SEEN BY REUTERS

RUSSIA ALSO TELLS IMO THAT 'PROACTIVE NECESSARY ACTIONS AND RESPONSE MEASURES TO NEUTRALIZE THREATS POSED BY THE KIEV REGIME IN THE AREA WILL BE TAKEN' - LETTER EXCERPT SEEN BY REUTERS

U.S. ENVOY TO U.N. SAYS RUSSIA ENDING BLACK SEA GRAIN DEAL AN 'ACT OF CRUELTY'

What was formally called the Black Sea Grain Initiative had already been extended for multiple short increments since its implementation in July 2022. The Kremlin confirmed in a statement by Dmitry Peskov: "The Black Sea agreements ceased to be valid today. As the President of the Russian Federation said earlier, the deadline is July 17."
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[o48o]

Parents decide to travel through a war zone with their child and everybody is amazed that they got killed? These people showed a total lack of responsibility for their child.
If this was the beginning of the war and they were trying to escape the conflict and died, like so many Ukrainians in 2020, I'd be more struck by their deaths, but they were careless and thought all these horrible things they were reading in the papers for a year could not happen to them.

This was the first thing that came to my mind. Who the hell goes to holiday into war zone and take their kids with them? I am putting the blame on Russian media and the fact that Moscow says that there's no war on that area, and anyone who doesn't read any other sources for information stays ignorant about the situation.

But like you said, it doesn't manage to take focus from war crimes that Russia is actively doing.

[BADecker]

Parents decide to travel through a war zone with their child and everybody is amazed that they got killed? These people showed a total lack of responsibility for their child.
If this was the beginning of the war and they were trying to escape the conflict and died, like so many Ukrainians in 2020, I'd be more struck by their deaths, but they were careless and thought all these horrible things they were reading in the papers for a year could not happen to them.

This was the first thing that came to my mind. Who the hell goes to holiday into war zone and take their kids with them? I am putting the blame on Russian media and the fact that Moscow says that there's no war on that area, and anyone who doesn't read any other sources for information stays ignorant about the situation.

But like you said, it doesn't manage to take focus from war crimes that Russia is actively doing.

But it attempts to take the focus off the far greater war crimes the US, Nato, and Ukraine are doing.

[LTU_btc]

Parents decide to travel through a war zone with their child and everybody is amazed that they got killed? These people showed a total lack of responsibility for their child.
If this was the beginning of the war and they were trying to escape the conflict and died, like so many Ukrainians in 2020, I'd be more struck by their deaths, but they were careless and thought all these horrible things they were reading in the papers for a year could not happen to them.

This was the first thing that came to my mind. Who the hell goes to holiday into war zone and take their kids with them? I am putting the blame on Russian media and the fact that Moscow says that there's no war on that area, and anyone who doesn't read any other sources for information stays ignorant about the situation.

But like you said, it doesn't manage to take focus from war crimes that Russia is actively doing.

Russians pretend to act like Crimea isn't war zone and it's safe place. And now they call this as terrorist attack. Oh really. Illegal bridge which is one of main roads to supply army is legitimate target and everyone should understand it. This is terrorist attack according to Russia, but when they attack schools, supermarkets or apartment buildings in Ukraine it's military objects.
And after all crimes they did in Ukraine I supposed to be sorry about deaths of these two russians - sorry, but no.

[ry474k3]

I supposed to be sorry about deaths of these two russians - sorry, but no.

Only a lowlife scumbag wouldn't feel sorry for the death of an innocent child hit by cowards while they cross a bridge in their car with their parents

[ry474k3]

Parents decide to travel through a war zone with their child and everybody is amazed that they got killed? These people showed a total lack of responsibility for their child.
If this was the beginning of the war and they were trying to escape the conflict and died, like so many Ukrainians in 2020, I'd be more struck by their deaths, but they were careless and thought all these horrible things they were reading in the papers for a year could not happen to them.

This was the first thing that came to my mind. Who the hell goes to holiday into war zone and take their kids with them? I am putting the blame on Russian media and the fact that Moscow says that there's no war on that area, and anyone who doesn't read any other sources for information stays ignorant about the situation.

But like you said, it doesn't manage to take focus from war crimes that Russia is actively doing.

Another dope here justifying the death of an innocent child folks ^^^ Luckily the evil russians are only staying down in a small part of ukraine and not rolling tanks all over it in response.Ukraine wouldn't last 1 day if the russians decided to go all out on it. Ukraine is literally bankrupting us in the west and trying to get us all killed in a nuclear war with russia. Let politican scumbags send their own children over to fight. How come the ukrainian capital is still standing if the russians are so evil? Even the dopiest animal with a debased IQ knows the russians could level ukraine without setting foot in it. Why do they stay down in the east part only if they are so intent in destroying ukraine. Fucking liars think we are all stupid in the west and tell us Ukraine is fighting for its existence looking for more money and weapons while they eat ice cream in its capital and kidnap men off the streets to send them out to be slaughtered in the east of it to get back those mineral deposits for the vulture funds.

[BADecker]

^^^ Nice to see somebody who knows what the score really is.

I'm thinking that Big World Money wants to destroy the US economy for some reason, and is using both Ukraine and Russia to do it.

[tvbcof]

^^^ Nice to see somebody who knows what the score really is.

I'm thinking that Big World Money wants to destroy the US economy for some reason, and is using both Ukraine and Russia to do it.

There was a supply/demand issue for instructional faculty in the GI-bill inspired post WW-II period, and many people who filled the gap were people who were associated with or influenced by the 'Frankfurt School.'  One of the popular theories shared broadly among the group was that the greatest future risk to 'The Jews' came from the United States which was the most likely to rise up as the next Nazi Germany.  (Given the recent history of the support construction of Ukraine I cannot say that they were wrong although I would note that it took some doing; the trajectory of the U.S. was molded heavily by the neocons and their intellectual for-bearers who were one of the main branches off the Frankfurt School academics and who have the means and motivation to force theoretical (and theatrical) prophecy into existence.)

Anyway, the 'solution' to the 'America problem' was to ultimately collapse the nation.  No reason not to milk it dry as a happy side-effect of the implementation of the collapse though.  I see this as being the strongest hypothesis for what misfortunes and failures have befallen the nation, and it's not reversible without a LOT of tears.  Probably not practical at all as I see it which is the main reason I bailed.

[coolcoinz]

Another dope here justifying the death of an innocent child folks ^^^ Luckily the evil russians are only staying down in a small part of ukraine and not rolling tanks all over it in response.Ukraine wouldn't last 1 day if the russians decided to go all out on it.

What tanks? Check out what they threw at Ukrainians, how many tanks they lost, how many and what type of tanks they have left. They have a lot of tanks left, but they've been neglected. Putin was cutting military budget for years and neglecting old equipment. If Russia gathered every modern tank they have from the whole country and sent it to Ukraine, they wouldn't be able to break through, partially thanks to  their own minefields.

Even the dopiest animal with a debased IQ knows the russians could level ukraine without setting foot in it.

Sure, with nuclear weapons, but that would mean genocide and a nuclear fallout going to Belarus and Poland. Even Russians aren't that dumb.

[be.open]

Meanwhile, Ukraine seems to have lost access to the Black Sea. Physically, it is, but it is impossible or extremely difficult to use it. The naval blockade of Ukraine begins at 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, while nothing is known about the timing of the end of the blockade.

[coolcoinz]

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I will be interesting to watch if the blockade is able to defend itself because missiles and drones are flying everywhere these days and some of the ships that patrol the Black Sea might end up like Moskva.

The grain transported from Ukraine don't meet the EU standards anyway. I've read they're sending us a bunch of moldy, rotten shit and we keep buying it to show support. They need money after all.

[LTU_btc]

Only a lowlife scumbag wouldn't feel sorry for the death of an innocent child hit by cowards while they cross a bridge in their car with their parents

After everything what Russia already did in Ukraine I should be sorry about death of Russians. Hmmmm, no. But unlike some lowlife Russian scumbags I don't celebrate death of people when they hit apartment buildings, hospital or shop.

Another dope here justifying the death of an innocent child folks ^^^ Luckily the evil russians are only staying down in a small part of ukraine and not rolling tanks all over it in response.Ukraine wouldn't last 1 day if the russians decided to go all out on it. Ukraine is literally bankrupting us in the west and trying to get us all killed in a nuclear war with russia. Let politican scumbags send their own children over to fight. How come the ukrainian capital is still standing if the russians are so evil? Even the dopiest animal with a debased IQ knows the russians could level ukraine without setting foot in it. Why do they stay down in the east part only if they are so intent in destroying ukraine. Fucking liars think we are all stupid in the west and tell us Ukraine is fighting for its existence looking for more money and weapons while they eat ice cream in its capital and kidnap men off the streets to send them out to be slaughtered in the east of it to get back those mineral deposits for the vulture funds.

Oh really, Russia didn't even started seriously and they haven't took Kyiv in 3 days just because they don't want.

[paxmao]

Meanwhile, Ukraine seems to have lost access to the Black Sea. Physically, it is, but it is impossible or extremely difficult to use it. The naval blockade of Ukraine begins at 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, while nothing is known about the timing of the end of the blockade.

Oh, I see. So if an US ship and a Turquiyan ship decide to go to Odessa, the RF fleet in the Black Sea will go there and stop them / sink them? And then nothing will happen and no retaliation will take place because "the RF has decided to blockade". Is that what you mean? Is that how this plays out in your mind? So no more "smoking in the wrong place" accidents as a result?

Anyway, this is more a marketing campaign more than anything else, possibly to distract from the situation in Bakhmut.

[BADecker]

Most of the world wants peace in Ukraine. But Russia is saving much of the world by bombing Odessa. How's that? It's keeping Ukraine from shipping poison grain to unsuspecting parts of the world, by taking out the Black Sea ports.

Poison grain? Yes! Monsanto poison is sprayed on the grain to protect it from pests, and as a herbicide, and to make it more easily turned into flower. But the poison is harming whichever people eat it. So, these nations should really be looking at Russia as their savior.


"Most Of The World Is Tired Of War" – PM Orbán Touts Hungary And Latin America's Pro-Peace Stance At EU-CELAC Summit


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/most-world-tired-war-pm-orban-touts-hungary-and-latin-americas-pro-peace-stance-eu
Although Orbán's pro-peace stance is a minority position in Europe, he has found broad support from nations with a similar outlook toward the war elsewhere in the world, including India, China, and countries in Latin America.

China, for example, has put forward a peace plan that Hungary has backed.

Within Latin America, there are a number of nations directly aligned with Russia, including Venezuela and Cuba, but more broadly speaking, there are many more nations skeptical of the Western war effort in Ukraine that have called for an immediate ceasefire.

Countries like Brazil and Mexico have also refused to back sanctions against Russia, arguing it is not in their economic interest.

Last year, Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador criticized the European Parliament's nomination of Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky for the Nobel Peace Prize.

"Regardless of whether we support one or the other (contender), how come one of the participants in a military conflict may receive the Nobel Peace Prize?" said the Mexican leader.

"Are there no others who are fighting for peace? Why not Pope Francis, the head of the UN?"

This year, Brazilian leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva said: "It's necessary that the U.S. stops encouraging the war and talks about peace. It's necessary that the European Union talks about peace so we can convince Putin and Zelensky that peace is in the interests of everybody and war only serves their two countries."
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