Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[coolcoinz]

Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named

I didn't know he was still alive.

Yes he was a nationalist and responsible for many murders, especially on Poles, but last time I checked nations did not invade one another because there were streets named after someone.
Some time ago there were news about a Stalin monument installed in one of Russian cities and Rosatom wanted to put a bust of Beria on display, yet nobody dropped bombs on you over that.

You take one argument out of context, ignoring all the others, and then try to twist it as if it were a thing of the past. Looks pretty ridiculous, I had a better opinion of your ability to debate.

Are you trying to blame me for your own mistakes? It's not like I used present tense when talking about someone who died decades ago.
It's hard to convey sarcasm through written text, but I did my best by adding the wink. No sense of humor in Russia?

The surge of neo-Nazism in Ukraine is a phenomenon of the recent history of the 21st century. Moskovsky Prospekt in Kyiv was renamed Bandera Avenue in 2016, not 70 years ago.

I guess that's because there was no independent Ukraine 70 years ago. Also, it's important to mention that 70 years ago Bandera was still alive. Don't they teach math in Russia?

Vatutin Avenue in Kyiv became Shukhevych Avenue in 2017, not in Stalin's time. Ukraine needed national heroes, and in its history it did not find anyone better for this role than the most notorious Nazis. Wrong choice, now Ukraine will have to pay for it. It is to pay, not to answer - because no one will ask. Russia, only for decency, demonstrates its readiness for negotiations, while putting forward conditions that are obviously unacceptable for Ukraine as not being discussed.

Hard for a country that was a part of the Soviet Union to have its own heroes. Soviet heroes could be also Ukrainian heroes, if they were heroes at all in the general sense, because communist butchers like Kalinin, who have cities named after them, aren't the best national heroes, yet nobody invades Russia over that.

Nice Russians want to negotiate, but it's the Ukrainians that are making it hard. They bombed their cities, tried to murder their president, tortured and murdered prisoners of war, but now they're extending a handshake. Would you shake the hand of someone who killed your parents or siblings? I wouldn't.

If you happen to be looking at the wording that Biden is using, it seems like he is one of the denazifiers... and he is attempting to remove all the things that make life easier for Americans... like the power grid, and fuel, and vehicles, and right religion, and freedom of speech, etc., etc., ... especially through spending American money on Ukraine and the war.

Of course, the Biden administration sucks. It's pretty much shares the ideals with the WEF and its henchmen like Trudeau and Macron.
Stop cash, force people to use CBDC, control crypto, cameras and digital IDs everywhere, force people to use electric cars... All this while Hunter avoids taxes, snorts coke and bangs his sister-in-law.

[paxmao]

First things first: A meeting, led by Saudi Arabia and other oil exporters - whithout Ruzzia - is going to take place.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-seeks-global-support-peace-blueprint-saudi-talks-2023-08-03/

China said on Friday it would send a senior official to Saudi Arabia for weekend talks on finding a peaceful settlement to the war in Ukraine, a forum that excludes Russia, in a diplomatic coup for Kyiv, the West and the Saudi hosts.

Ukrainian and Western diplomats hope the meeting in Jeddah of national security advisers and other senior officials from some 40 countries will agree on key principles for a future peace settlement to end Russia's war in Ukraine.

Well be.open, is this a great victory as usual?

Nazism is an internal affair of any state, only as long as this state is actively and effectively fighting Nazism. In Ukraine, Nazism spread metastases to the broad masses and even to state authorities, so this ceased to be an internal affair of Ukraine. Do not worry, this problem is already being solved during the special operation, Russia has a very rich experience in the successful fight against Nazism.

So you don't have to prove that the country is or is not fighting it. I thought we had international law and all that, but it looks that if Russians claim something is true, it is true. If Russians say that a country is threatening them, it is, there's no discussing it, right? Sounds like someone here is never wrong, knows everything and does what he wants, like a bully.

Lol dude. The Azov battalion is recognized by the US Congress as neo-Nazi, extremist and anti-Semitic, parliamentarians called it a "disgusting Nazi formation", while it is quite officially part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The main national hero of Ukraine, Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named. The universal password-greeting of Ukrainians "Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes" - is rooted in the far-right nationalist organization OUN and this is only a slightly modified password-greeting of the Third Reich "Heil Hitler, Sieg Heil". What more proof do you need?

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Haven't you noticed the decline in support for Ukraine in the West since the counter-offensive didn't go according to plan? Or has the taste of disappointment already washed off Zelensky’s lips at the results of the NATO summit in Vilnius, which left Ukraine in limbo by canceling the NATO membership plan and offering no clear entry algorithm in return?

I have not noticed (I have noticed the opposite).

- "Ukrainian F-16 training delayed" - CNN.
- "CNN spoke about the problems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the capture of Staromayorsky."
- "U.S. annoyed by Zelensky's statements and Ukraine's military decisions" - CNBC.
- "There is no breakthrough yet in Ukraine's counter-offensive" - Politico.
- "Ukraine is waiting for the Korean scenario and the freezing of the conflict, since the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not give the desired results" - Die Welt
- "The New York Times writes about the "high losses" of Ukrainian troops during the offensive in the south.".
- "Biden wants to send part of the money provided for assistance to Ukraine, to armaments for Taiwan" - Financial Times.

Western press headlines in just a few days. Assess the scale of zrada and welcome to reality. The second stage of the Ukrainian counter-offensive with redoubled efforts to break through the defenses also ended in a crushing fiasco. At least according to the leading Western media that shape public opinion.
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- F16 - Yes, delayed and that is unfortunate. But not cancelled - see, very different. Perhaps they are testing if Ukraine can do without them - a contested air space with plenty of defences is likely to end up with a few f16 down (bad for US business).
- The CNN and all other media speak of whatever they want, but the gains on the terrain are happening. Obviously, not to the pace that would end the war as soon as possible, but adequate for the purpose of demilitarising Ruzzia.
- Politico: No breaktrough - Yes, that is correct, just advancing, not breaking. Telling the truth is ok in the West, it is not related to loosing support. In fact you can interpret it as a call for stronger support to make that "breakthrough" effective.
- die welt has the same ability to predict the future as my uncle or your uncle Vania.
- High losses - Yes, telling the truth is ok in the West. When you attack, you get losses. Again, a call for more support rather than the opposite.

On the Financial Times - Ask yourself: Why does the US fuck with China right now? Could it be that they are tired of China selling weapons and overriding sanctions? From the US perspective, it is time to put some pressure on their own backyard - particularly before the talks.

[BADecker]

Poor Ukrainian soldiers. Now they will have to live with lost limbs, and try to take care of themselves without funds... funds that are going to fight the war. Anybody have statistics like this for Russia?


WSJ: 20,000-50,000 Ukrainians Have Lost Limbs Since Russia Invaded


https://news.antiwar.com/2023/08/02/wsj-20-50000-ukrainians-have-lost-limbs-since-russia-invaded/
Between 20,000 and 50,000 Ukrainians have lost one or more limbs since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday.

The figure is based on estimates made by prosthetics firms, doctors, and charities. The number could be higher as it takes time to register amputees after they undergo surgery, and fighting has intensified since Ukraine launched its counteroffensive in June.

The higher-end estimate of 50,000 came from the German prosthetics manufacturer Ottobock, which cited data from the government and medical partners. The estimate of 20,000 was based on data from the Kyiv-based charity Health of the Ukrainian People ICF. The charity estimates the number of serious injuries in the war is at 200,000 and says about 10% of serious injuries typically require amputations.
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[swogerino]

And why no one talks here about sea drones,man how I love them,hitting that big big ship of Russian Black Sea fleet,videos are all over the place for that,even on Linkedin who is a professional social media  .Funny how the Russians or should I call them fascists deny that by telling that the big navy responded and destroyed the sea drones when videos,lots of them showing it badly damaged and near drowning completely.That is the way to go,move out the ships who keep hitting civilian infrastructure as they are doing the most damage,drown every single one of them,liberate Crimea and make the Russian fascists there,the civilian invaders to pack their bag and move back to Russia.

[BADecker]

Russia flexing their naval strength... practicing in the Baltic Sea. Drone hits on Russian ships are inconsequential.


Russia Launches Large Baltic Sea Naval Drills As EU Officials Push "NATO's Lake" Rhetoric


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-launches-large-baltic-sea-naval-drills-eu-officials-push-natos-lake-rhetoric
Russia's somewhat regular drills in these waters are often in response to NATO exercises in the region, in tit-for-tat muscle flexing. Some EU policy wonks have of late begun to call the Baltic "NATO's lake" in a direct challenge to Moscow.

"The Ocean Shield-2023 naval exercises have begun in the Baltic Sea," Russia's Defense Ministry (MoD) confirmed in a statement, detailing that in total some 6,000 personnel are taking part, operating 30 warships and boats, along with 20 support vessels.

"During the drill, measures will be worked out to protect sea lanes, transport troops and military cargo, as well as to defend the sea coast, the statement added. "In total, it is planned to perform more than 200 combat exercises, including with the practical use of weapons."

The Baltic Sea coastline is also very important to Russia as its strategic Kaliningrad exclave sits on it, sandwiched between two NATO members, Poland and Lithuania.

The timing of the new drills is additionally important lest Brussels begins to see the Baltic as "NATO's lake"—as Politico recently referred to it, echoing policy thinkers in Europe:

A resurgent NATO is set to tighten its grip on the Baltic Sea, complicating a vital transit route for Vladimir Putin's navy in Russia's backyard...

"[Sweden and Finland] make NATO much more geographically coherent. The Baltic Sea becomes a NATO lake, which is generally useful, also because of the Arctic's increased importance," said Ulrike Franke, a senior fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.
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[DaRude]

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

[DaRude]

What some Germans think

https://youtu.be/YZTz7UwmPiE

It's good that you wrote word ''some''.

Exactly that. As someone from Germany I can confirm that the video is classic Russian propaganda and trying to undermine support for Ukraine in Germany by making up false claims and parroting lies. Presented are the usual Kremlin talking points, targeting a German audience but luckily, most Germans are educated and don't believe Russia's propaganda.  

According to description of video, it was made by AfD - far-right opposition party. If it would resemble majority opinion, probably they would have much more seat in Bundestage than they have now.

As far as I know, some German researchers have identified Russian actors in the video and some scenes in Germany are animated from stock photos. Likely, it's from Russia Today or some affiliated criminals, German journalists have reported.
AfD has denied to be behind the video but AfD denying something does not mean anything.  
At least, AfD is really happy to have that video and AfD is actively spreading it on social media and their fake news network.

(Video creator exposed here (German))

AfD is our braindead fascist party, where all the idiots are gathering their fascist ideas and it's always surprising how uneducated and corrupt these right-wing politicians are.
Very likely AfD is financed by Russia (some close ties are already proven, where AfD idiots met with Russians in Russia and Eastern Ukraine to celebrate Russia).  
AfD is always trying to play down Russia's war crimes and spread hate against Ukraine.

AfD is only in Bundestag (German parliament) because some people are outright fascists or just braindead (they want to be governed by braindead people, too).
Some people don't even agree with AfD's Russia fetish but vote AfD as a protest vote.  

We have a new joke in Germany because AfD's EU candidate (Maximilian Krah) has a similar name like a cartoon character (Kra) and the cartoon character symbolizes Hitler.  

 
They are talking the same fascist bullshit, too.  
And their look is similar as well.

So, @Branko, you've disqualified yourself once again for supporting Nazis.
Maybe, Putin supporters are the fascists, not Ukrainians...  

Do not worry, this problem is already being solved during the special operation, Russia has a very rich experience in the successful fight against Nazism.

You are confused, obviously.  
Your braindead war criminal dictator, Putler, is actively financing fascists all over Europe, like he's financing Germany's AfD as well.  
Get your facts right, you Russian war crimes apologist.
 

Wait, déjà vu it's as if you already said the same thing before only one little nuance changed.

Just replace the subject to something from the other side and see if such claim can still be applied to the other side.

We've seen all kinds of whataboutism in this thread and none of it has made any sense so far. Neither does this.

Nor does it make sense for you to be trying so hard to prove that Russia has blackmail potential. I mean of all things... this is important?

As far-right parties score election victories across the EU, the nationalist Alternative for Germany party is looking to translate economic anxiety into similar gains. The polls suggest that the strategy is working.
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The AfD was founded in 2013 as a euroskeptic party. And still, their position is that Germany should leave the EU
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"They are saying that corrupt lawmakers are ignoring the needs of the people. They're arguing that elites in Moscow aren't the victims of these sanctions policies, but the German people are."
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The message that the AfD is trying to send to the governing coalition of the center-left Social Democrats (SPD), the Green Party and the neoliberal Free Democrats (FDP) is clear: "You are not in charge of Russia — you're in charge of this country."
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ˈThe worse things are for Germany, the better things are for the AfDˈ Indeed, AfD co-chair Tino Chrupalla has repeatedly accused Chancellor Olaf Scholz's government of fighting an "economic war" against Germans as inflation has risen to over 8%. The sanctions "are not in Germany's interest," Chrupalla has insisted, predicting that "throughout the fall, support for the government's policies will continue to sink."
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According to figures published by research firm INSA, national support for Scholz's party has fallen from 25.7% in last year's federal election to 18% on Monday, the FDP has been reduced by half to 7% and even the Green Party is now experiencing a backlash against their plans to mitigate the gas shortage.
The AfD, in the same time frame, has risen in the national polls from 10% to 15%, one of its highest levels ever.
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As households across Germany are shocked to receive their heating bills, the right-wing populists see golden opportunities ahead.
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Under the slogan "a hot autumn against cold feet," the AfD has announced plans to hold weekly anti-government marches in the coming months
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The AfD leader announced a concerted protest movement against the government's energy and Russia policies. From October, the AfD wants to take to the streets with the rallying cry "Our country first!" Chrupalla declined to confirm that this was modeled on Donald Trump's "America first" campaign.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-far-right-afd-hopes-for-a-boost-in-times-of-crisis/a-63252759

Just them is 15% of Germans. Right, of course Putin totally blew up his own gas pipeline to Germany, why would he want to appeal to people that side with him and build up Germans political will, he totally didn't want any news coverage of them protesting for Germany to start deliveries over NS so he blew it up 3 months before Germany's toughest months begin next you'll tell us that unicorns are real?

As a German I can tell you that you are indeed the sort of guy where 1 random article from the internet is enough to make up your opinion.  
Things are very easy in the world of Putin apologists like you - no surprise.  

The AfD from 2022 has (almost) nothing to do with AfD from 2013 (only the name). AfD started as a party criticizing many "poorer" EU countries (Italy, Greece) which got a lot of money from Germany via EU and because Germany paid that, AfD wanted to stop money transfers to them because in AfD 2013's opinion these countries were "lazy".
The AfD from 2013 didn't want to leave EU - never! They wanted to bring reforms to EU and some advocated for a revival of Deutsche Mark - Germans currency before Euro was launched.
Their main topic were economics. Most of their leaders were educated and sane back in 2013.

In 2015, AfD selected a new leader while during 2015, the right wing of AfD gained massive traction and the right wing achieved a coup against the founder of AfD - he was ousted and in a hot battle, he left the party. He was replaced by Frauke Petry, a moderate right wing politician and when the immigration crisis 2015 came up, AfD shifted their agenda from their former topic (economics) to immigration - advocating to deny most immigrants and throw them out of Germany.
Some years later, in 2017, Frauke Petry also faced a coup from the right wing of the right wing (nationalists) and the nationalists won - the party shiftet further right.
There was a third shift even further right in 2019 / 2020, when the fascist right took over the important lead over the Eastern-German parts of the party, where Bernd Höcke, a fascist, is so strong.

In its history, the party has only become more radical every few years.

Almost all people who founded AfD in 2013 have now left the party or were thrown out by the fascist right, whose leader Bernd Höcke is.
There are almost no sane people left in this party...


And no, I have to disappoint you, neither Germany nor USA/Poland nor Ukraine blow up NordStream 2, but Putin has clear motives to blow it up.

Let's look at it:

Germany doesn't need to blow up this pipeline since it has been sure since Putin's illegal war, that NordStream 2 will never be activated and purchase of russian gas by NordStream 1 to Germany will stop as soon as possible. Germany has pushed very hard to get rid of russian gas and the pipeline has become basically irrelevant.
Why should they blow up the pipeline? Makes no sense at all.  

After USA tried to lobby against NordStream 2 for years with massive efforts but has been unsuccesful so far because surprisingly, Putin has been the one who made their mission succesful on February 24, when Putin invaded Ukraine and isolated Russia succesfully from the West.
Surely, the USA would blow up a useless pipeline which will never get activated because Putin finished this Job already on February 24.
Surely, the USA would risk the alliance by blowing up a useless pipeline from an allied state (Germany) while there's no need at all to take such a risky adventure (will never get activated).
Surely, the USA would only blow up 3 streams and 1 of them, especially from NordStream 2, will stay intact, so that Putin can still potentially send gas to Germany.  

According to some Kremlin trolls it can also be Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine rent a dolphin, a brave guy (Klitschko) with some dynamite swam on the back of the dolphin through Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, half of the Atlantic, through the English Channel, past Denmark and Sweden just to the Baltic Sea to blow up the useless pipeline.
Surely, Ukraine would risk the support from the west for blowing up a useless pipeline...  

While Russia has a useless pipeline since German politicians have learned their lesson to abandon Putin and his gas. Since Putin invaded Ukraine, it was very clear that NordStream 2 would not be activated. While Putin continued his war crimes and now annexed 4 parts of Ukraine, it was very clear that Germany will stop purchasing Russian gas as soon as possible. Therefore, Putin run out of options what to do with his failed pipeling because Germany doesn't played his game and he looked bad.  
Surprinsingly, one Stream of NordStream 2 is still intact, leaving it open for Putin demanding Germany to open it.
Let me guess which stories are plausible and which not.  

But sure, the guy from Kremlin, who has lied basically every day, is not the one to blow up his useless pipeline and blame the west (as usual).
Idiots like you are his best asset - completely brainwashed...  

I don't even like ultra rights but any attempts at denying them sweeping EU is delusional, just as Putin destroying his own pipes to remove even a chance for the debates over turning on NS

You are delusional, same as Putin.  
Your dumb takes are embarassing.  

Besides all the childish name-calling let's see how they're doing now the populist party would win 21% support, putting it firmly in second place behind the center-right bloc of Christian Democratic Union and Christian Social Union (CDU/CSU), which remain the strongest force at 27%, despite taking some small losses.
So you're saying the system is set up in such a way that to voice your disapproval will cause an automatic association with "braindead fascist party, where all the idiots are gathering"? That's a pretty high bar to clear. And despite such consequences, from October 6% more decided that it's worth to be associated with a fascist party, putting them in second place only 6% behind the current leader center-right bloc? And this is Germany we're talking about? I guess the only logical solution is to continue oppressing them more, call them names, and don't consider any of their arguments or the root cause of such grievances, after all history taught us that it worked so well right before before WW1 and WW2.

Ah yes and your take on NordStream sure must've aged just as well. Surely it was evil Russia let's get UN to investigate and get to the bottom of this:

The U.S. deputy ambassador, Robert Wood, said there was no need for a U.N. probe when investigations by Sweden, Denmark and Germany “are proceeding in a comprehensive, transparent and impartial manner.”

Right, who needs objective investigation by a neutral body, lets block it is so a NATO country could investigate whether a NATO country sabotaged the pipeline.



Oops, if not for those pesky leaks

U.S. had intelligence of detailed Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream pipeline
Three months before saboteurs bombed the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline, the Biden administration learned from a close ally that the Ukrainian military had planned a covert attack on the undersea network...
Details about the plan, which have not been previously reported, were collected by a European intelligence service and shared with the CIA in June 2022. They provide some of the most specific evidence to date linking the government of Ukraine to the eventual attack in the Baltic Sea, which U.S. and Western officials have called a brazen and dangerous act of sabotage on Europe’s energy infrastructure.
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The European intelligence made clear that the would-be attackers were not rogue operatives. All those involved reported directly to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s highest-ranking military officer
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Keeping Zelensky out of the loop would have given the Ukrainian leader a plausible way to deny involvement in an audacious attack on civilian infrastructure that could ignite public outrage and jeopardize Western support for Ukraine — particularly in Germany
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Ukraine had long complained that Nord Stream would allow Russia to bypass Ukrainian pipes, depriving Kyiv of huge transit revenue.
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Investigators have matched explosive residue found on the pipeline to traces found inside the cabin of the yacht, called Andromeda. And they have linked Ukrainian individuals to the rental of the boat via an apparent front company in Poland. Investigators also suspect that at least one individual who serves in the Ukrainian military was involved in the sabotage operation.

It's a mystery why those idiot AfD supporters don't like their critical infrastructure sabotaged by US/Ukraine. But don't let your destroyed credibility stop you, after all you consider your targeted audience to be complete idiots with a memory retention of a gold fish, so just keep posting some new stuff.

[paxmao]

Poor Ukrainian soldiers. Now they will have to live with lost limbs, and try to take care of themselves without funds... funds that are going to fight the war. Anybody have statistics like this for Russia?


WSJ: 20,000-50,000 Ukrainians Have Lost Limbs Since Russia Invaded
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The figure is [...]

Of course, there are official statistics for Ruzzia. No soldier has been killed, nobody in Ruzzia has lost any limbs in the war and not only that, the soldiers that went to the front without limbs have managed to grow replacement ones thanks to their great morale in the front. This is the official statistic coming from the same official Ruzzian sources that claim to have destroyed more planes that Ukraine ever had.

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

Oh, yes, let's not tiptoe... do you condemn Ruzzian attacks in schools, restaurants, civilian buildings including churches, hospitals, entertainment and shopping places?

[Pidgeon]

Russia flexing their naval strength... practicing in the Baltic Sea.

Shouldn't they flex their muscles in the Black Sea? Just my 2 cents (two rubles right now).
Oh but wait, their flag ship is flexing but we can't see it since it's 2000 meters on the bottom on the sea playing strip poker with Ariel!

And why no one talks here about sea drones,man how I love them,hitting that big big ship of Russian Black Sea fleet,videos are all over the place for that,even on Linkedin who is a professional social media  .Funny how the Russians or should I call them fascists deny that by telling that the big navy responded and destroyed the sea drones when videos,lots of them showing it badly damaged and near drowning completely.

Has any of the drones survived after colliding with the warship?
U see, they are right, they've destroyed all of them!

First things first: A meeting, led by Saudi Arabia and other oil exporters - whithout Ruzzia - is going to take place.

Saudi Arabia is starting to get pissed
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Saudi-Arabia-Suckered-Again-By-Russia-In-OPEC-s-Output-Cut.html

And this is rightwing shit on par with zerohedge BADsucker likes

[BADecker]

Poor Ukrainian soldiers. Now they will have to live with lost limbs, and try to take care of themselves without funds... funds that are going to fight the war. Anybody have statistics like this for Russia?


WSJ: 20,000-50,000 Ukrainians Have Lost Limbs Since Russia Invaded
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The figure is [...]

Of course, there are official statistics for Ruzzia. No soldier has been killed, nobody in Ruzzia has lost any limbs in the war and not only that, the soldiers that went to the front without limbs have managed to grow replacement ones thanks to their great morale in the front. This is the official statistic coming from the same official Ruzzian sources that claim to have destroyed more planes that Ukraine ever had.

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So, what evidence do you have for your statements that Russia essentially hasn't been harmed by the war?

Russia flexing their naval strength... practicing in the Baltic Sea.

Shouldn't they flex their muscles in the Black Sea? Just my 2 cents (two rubles right now).
Oh but wait, their flag ship is flexing but we can't see it since it's 2000 meters on the bottom on the sea playing strip poker with Ariel!

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Russia could exercise all around the Black Sea, over and over again, and not once run into any American coastal cities. Baltic Sea exercise gives them the practice they need to cross the Atlantic and attack America.

[DaRude]

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

Oh, yes, let's not tiptoe... do you condemn Ruzzian attacks in schools, restaurants, civilian buildings including churches, hospitals, entertainment and shopping places?

I absolutely deplore any targeted attack on civilians without military justification, and fully condemn any idiot even hinting or joking about committing such atrocities. Furthermore, I think any civilian casualty is a tragedy be they Afghans, Iraqis, Yugoslavs, Libyans, Ukrainians, Yemenis or whatever, and only a deplorable waste of a human life would gloat or encourage such heinous crimes, no ifs and buts about this. There, super easy answer. Now to the big question, why such basic statement that is self evident to overwhelming majority of humans is so hard for UA supporters on this forum to say?

   There are millions of Ukrainians living/working in Russia as well as millions of mixed marriages/families. Despite all of the danger Russians are still gladly travel to Crimea with their families for summer vacation where majority of population was born in Ukraine/Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Tens of thousands born in Ukrain/UASSR are currently fighting on the side of Russia (old DRP/LRP) against current Ukrainian regime, and since the start of the war more Ukrainians refugees went to Russia than to any other country. As of 31July2023 2086 civilians were killed on the RU controlled territory and 7283 on UA controlled. So attacking force resulted in 249% more civilian losses on the UA side, from what i have gathered RU launched over 5000 missiles and 2000 drones (as well as significantly more artillery shells, and MLRS rockets) for every incoming missile/shahed you want to intercept on average of more than 1.0 air defense missile needs to be launched (defense in depth). with some air defense missiles deciding to go as far as Poland. Now seeing these numbers compare it to other conflicts, and then tell us if data shows any systematic targeting of civilian population (hint it shows exact opposite, civilian looses are much lower than expected for conflict of this scale)

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Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

So how about for some accountability of claims, knowing what we know now that there is irrefutable evidence of explosive residue leading directly to UA soldiers with information from EU that Gen. Zaluzhny was involved, are you going to stand by your words and still think that this was an act of war from Ukraine on Germany? Or going to backpedal on this? If you were mislead yourself, and thus inadvertently mislead other readers on this forum, what lead you to come to such wrong conclusion, or were you the one intentionally doing misleading? Guess in that case you'll just ignore everything and just jump on whatever is in the headlines this hour.

[montaga]

Eritrean President: transition to a new world order
https://youtu.be/5cqRMSuXLZk

Burkina Faso President: 'Russia Is Family for Africa'
https://youtu.be/O8J5mK7JKMY

[suchmoon]

Eritrean President
Burkina Faso President

LOL that's just great, two nutjob dictators support a nutjob dictator. I'm sure North Korean "president" and a bunch of other dic's do too.

You putinists are truly fucked in the head, irreversibly it seems.

[1miau]

//pyramid quotes

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Besides all the childish name-calling let's see how they're doing now the populist party would win 21% support, putting it firmly in second place behind the center-right bloc of Christian Democratic Union and Christian Social Union (CDU/CSU), which remain the strongest force at 27%, despite taking some small losses.
So you're saying the system is set up in such a way that to voice your disapproval will cause an automatic association with "braindead fascist party, where all the idiots are gathering"?

Yes, people voting for that AfD party in 2023 are well aware that it's a fascist party.
In January 2022, their last "moderate" voice in a leading position (Jörg Meuthen, AfD) left AfD because according to Meuthen, AfD is unable to get rid of their fascists and he argued that these fascists have basically taken over the party. Someone from AfD should know their internal idiots.  
And AfD has not just only turned a fascist party, it's has also turned into a Putin asslicker party. So, it's not even a German patriotic party, it's a Russia loving bunch of traitors.  

You just have zero clue about German politics, German history and obviously Ukrainian history as well.
It's always amazing to have dimwits like you talking about German politics.
So, keep embarassing yourself as a clueless Putin troll and fascist friend.  

And this is Germany we're talking about? I guess the only logical solution is to continue oppressing them more, call them names, and don't consider any of their arguments or the root cause of such grievances, after all history taught us that it worked so well right before before WW1 and WW2.

LOL, you are really clueless how Hitler achieved to destroy the democratic system. He achieved it due to people like you in powerful positions underestimating Hitler and his fascist friends.  
You are so embarassing but let me give you some basic links to educate you about it:
You can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Papen (Binging Hitler into power):

On 9 January 1933, Papen and Hindenburg agreed to form a new government that would bring in Hitler. On the evening of 22 January in a meeting at the villa of Joachim von Ribbentrop in Berlin, Papen made the concession of abandoning his claim to the chancellorship and committed to support Hitler as chancellor in a proposed "Government of National Concentration", in which Papen would serve as vice-chancellor and Minister-President of Prussia. On 23 January, Papen presented to Hindenburg his idea for Hitler to be made chancellor, while keeping him "boxed" in.

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Papen naively believed that his conservative friends' majority in the cabinet and his closeness to Hindenburg would keep Hitler in check.

So, it's 1933 again and let's just pretend, AfD is a well-behaving party and let's make a center-right coalition with them, like Franz von Papen did, when he was too naive and helped Hitler to seize power.  
You are so clueless, it really hurts.  

Ah yes and your take on NordStream sure must've aged just as well. Surely it was evil Russia let's get UN to investigate and get to the bottom of this:

Sure, let's quote again my text from earlier:

Let's look at it:

Germany doesn't need to blow up this pipeline since it has been sure since Putin's illegal war, that NordStream 2 will never be activated and purchase of russian gas by NordStream 1 to Germany will stop as soon as possible. Germany has pushed very hard to get rid of russian gas and the pipeline has become basically irrelevant.
Why should they blow up the pipeline? Makes no sense at all.  

After USA tried to lobby against NordStream 2 for years with massive efforts but has been unsuccesful so far because surprisingly, Putin has been the one who made their mission succesful on February 24, when Putin invaded Ukraine and isolated Russia succesfully from the West.
Surely, the USA would blow up a useless pipeline which will never get activated because Putin finished this Job already on February 24.
Surely, the USA would risk the alliance by blowing up a useless pipeline from an allied state (Germany) while there's no need at all to take such a risky adventure (will never get activated).
Surely, the USA would only blow up 3 streams and 1 of them, especially from NordStream 2, will stay intact, so that Putin can still potentially send gas to Germany.  

According to some Kremlin trolls it can also be Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine rent a dolphin, a brave guy (Klitschko) with some dynamite swam on the back of the dolphin through Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, half of the Atlantic, through the English Channel, past Denmark and Sweden just to the Baltic Sea to blow up the useless pipeline.
Surely, Ukraine would risk the support from the west for blowing up a useless pipeline...  

While Russia has a useless pipeline since German politicians have learned their lesson to abandon Putin and his gas. Since Putin invaded Ukraine, it was very clear that NordStream 2 would not be activated. While Putin continued his war crimes and now annexed 4 parts of Ukraine, it was very clear that Germany will stop purchasing Russian gas as soon as possible. Therefore, Putin run out of options what to do with his failed pipeling because Germany doesn't played his game and he looked bad.  
Surprinsingly, one Stream of NordStream 2 is still intact, leaving it open for Putin demanding Germany to open it.
Let me guess which stories are plausible and which not.  

But sure, the guy from Kremlin, who has lied basically every day, is not the one to blow up his useless pipeline and blame the west (as usual).
Idiots like you are his best asset - completely brainwashed...  

It's quite interesting that you are doubling down on your Putin asslicking even if it's making no sense at all.  
We all know it's either Poland, Germany, the US, the UK, France, Sweden or Ukraine but NOT Russia.  

Isn't it embarrassing to defend Russia again and again, while you have already well realized how Russia is a big terrorist state?
Because dude, you know nothing, not about Ukrainian history, not about German history...

It's a mystery why those idiot AfD supporters don't like their critical infrastructure sabotaged by US/Ukraine. But don't let your destroyed credibility stop you, after all you consider your targeted audience to be complete idiots with a memory retention of a gold fish, so just keep posting some new stuff.

It's a mystery why idiots like you are cheering both for
- AfD, a fascist party
- Putin and his criminal regime blowing up his pipeline after it got useless due to Germany not willing to fund Putin's war

[paxmao]

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

Oh, yes, let's not tiptoe... do you condemn Ruzzian attacks in schools, restaurants, civilian buildings including churches, hospitals, entertainment and shopping places?

I absolutely deplore any targeted attack on civilians without military justification, and fully condemn any idiot even hinting or joking about committing such atrocities. Furthermore, I think any civilian casualty is a tragedy be they Afghans, Iraqis, Yugoslavs, Libyans, Ukrainians, Yemenis or whatever, and only a deplorable waste of a human life would gloat or encourage such heinous crimes, no ifs and buts about this. There, super easy answer. Now to the big question, why such basic statement that is self evident to overwhelming majority of humans is so hard for UA supporters on this forum to say?

   There are millions of Ukrainians living/working in Russia as well as millions of mixed marriages/families. Despite all of the danger Russians are still gladly travel to Crimea with their families for summer vacation where majority of population was born in Ukraine/Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Tens of thousands born in Ukrain/UASSR are currently fighting on the side of Russia (old DRP/LRP) against current Ukrainian regime, and since the start of the war more Ukrainians refugees went to Russia than to any other country. As of 31July2023 2086 civilians were killed on the RU controlled territory and 7283 on UA controlled. So attacking force resulted in 249% more civilian losses on the UA side, from what i have gathered RU launched over 5000 missiles and 2000 drones (as well as significantly more artillery shells, and MLRS rockets) for every incoming missile/shahed you want to intercept on average of more than 1.0 air defense missile needs to be launched (defense in depth). with some air defense missiles deciding to go as far as Poland. Now seeing these numbers compare it to other conflicts, and then tell us if data shows any systematic targeting of civilian population (hint it shows exact opposite, civilian looses are much lower than expected for conflict of this scale)

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Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

So how about for some accountability of claims, knowing what we know now that there is irrefutable evidence of explosive residue leading directly to UA soldiers with information from EU that Gen. Zaluzhny was involved, are you going to stand by your words and still think that this was an act of war from Ukraine on Germany? Or going to backpedal on this? If you were mislead yourself, and thus inadvertently mislead other readers on this forum, what lead you to come to such wrong conclusion, or were you the one intentionally doing misleading? Guess in that case you'll just ignore everything and just jump on whatever is in the headlines this hour.

There is no irrefutable evidence. You are just stating non-facts without any evidence.

Please notice the "looks like" in my text before you try to accuse me of anything. You do not have any facts because there are no proven facts other than probably some archive somewhere that may be open in 50 years for now... if ever. The difference is that you do make firm statements with no base while I say "looks like".

I think still think there is a very high likelyhood of Ruzzia being behind this. Easy target, lots of damage, right time,...

RE attacks on Crimea, if you are Ruzzian or mixed or Mormon or a Caribbean rasta you probably known by now that Crimea is a territory of Ukraine that is currently occupied by Ruzzia, that there is a bridge (well more than one) that are critical for the war logistics, that Ruzzian depots and war infrastructure in the region are attacked daily, and that may include places of gathering of troops that may be close to your chosen vacation spot.

So, they can go and have fun while their government kills Ukrainians and does everything they can to annihilate them physically, economically and morally, yes of course, they are in their right to enjoy life. However, as much as I like exercising my liberty, this year I will not go to Niger, nor to Sebastopol, nor to Sudan,... For the same reason, I would suggest to Ruzzians and others to choose another place to go with the kids.

[LTU_btc]

Eritrean President: transition to a new world order
https://youtu.be/5cqRMSuXLZk

Burkina Faso President: 'Russia Is Family for Africa'
https://youtu.be/O8J5mK7JKMY

LOL, I'm not sure you're posting it seriously or Russia is desperate that much that they're looking for support from poorest African countries. Especially Eritrea - basically, it's Africa's North Korea, their dictator running country for 30 years - offcourse that their oponion on this topic really matters. What's next, Russia will look for support in North Korea? Oh, I forgot they already did it recently. Maybe next stop is Taliban?

[BADecker]

Eritrean President: transition to a new world order
https://youtu.be/5cqRMSuXLZk

Burkina Faso President: 'Russia Is Family for Africa'
https://youtu.be/O8J5mK7JKMY

The deeper consideration here is what the Eritrean President said at the end of the video. He referred to a new world order. Does this mean a one world government with Russia at its head?

The point is, as long as we have nations fighting throughout the world, we aren't being controlled by any one world government.

As soon a all nations stop fighting, and simply accept their land borders so that there is peace between all peoples, that will be when some trickster will step in and use all the nations to make a one world government.

Consider how tricky Zelensky is. He was a lewd comedian, with videos all over Youtube. Now he is a Stalin-like dictator.

[Branko]

Jens Stoltenberg backing Russia narrative

https://archive.is/0wj8w#selection-497.81-497.134

[DaRude]

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Besides all the childish name-calling let's see how they're doing now the populist party would win 21% support, putting it firmly in second place behind the center-right bloc of Christian Democratic Union and Christian Social Union (CDU/CSU), which remain the strongest force at 27%, despite taking some small losses.
So you're saying the system is set up in such a way that to voice your disapproval will cause an automatic association with "braindead fascist party, where all the idiots are gathering"?

Yes, people voting for that AfD party in 2023 are well aware that it's a fascist party.
In January 2022, their last "moderate" voice in a leading position (Jörg Meuthen, AfD) left AfD because according to Meuthen, AfD is unable to get rid of their fascists and he argued that these fascists have basically taken over the party. Someone from AfD should know their internal idiots.  
And AfD has not just only turned a fascist party, it's has also turned into a Putin asslicker party. So, it's not even a German patriotic party, it's a Russia loving bunch of traitors.  

You just have zero clue about German politics, German history and obviously Ukrainian history as well.
It's always amazing to have dimwits like you talking about German politics.
So, keep embarassing yourself as a clueless Putin troll and fascist friend.  

And this is Germany we're talking about? I guess the only logical solution is to continue oppressing them more, call them names, and don't consider any of their arguments or the root cause of such grievances, after all history taught us that it worked so well right before before WW1 and WW2.

LOL, you are really clueless how Hitler achieved to destroy the democratic system. He achieved it due to people like you in powerful positions underestimating Hitler and his fascist friends.  
You are so embarassing but let me give you some basic links to educate you about it:
You can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Papen (Binging Hitler into power):

On 9 January 1933, Papen and Hindenburg agreed to form a new government that would bring in Hitler. On the evening of 22 January in a meeting at the villa of Joachim von Ribbentrop in Berlin, Papen made the concession of abandoning his claim to the chancellorship and committed to support Hitler as chancellor in a proposed "Government of National Concentration", in which Papen would serve as vice-chancellor and Minister-President of Prussia. On 23 January, Papen presented to Hindenburg his idea for Hitler to be made chancellor, while keeping him "boxed" in.

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Papen naively believed that his conservative friends' majority in the cabinet and his closeness to Hindenburg would keep Hitler in check.

So, it's 1933 again and let's just pretend, AfD is a well-behaving party and let's make a center-right coalition with them, like Franz von Papen did, when he was too naive and helped Hitler to seize power.  
You are so clueless, it really hurts.  

Ah yes and your take on NordStream sure must've aged just as well. Surely it was evil Russia let's get UN to investigate and get to the bottom of this:

Sure, let's quote again my text from earlier:

Let's look at it:

Germany doesn't need to blow up this pipeline since it has been sure since Putin's illegal war, that NordStream 2 will never be activated and purchase of russian gas by NordStream 1 to Germany will stop as soon as possible. Germany has pushed very hard to get rid of russian gas and the pipeline has become basically irrelevant.
Why should they blow up the pipeline? Makes no sense at all.  

After USA tried to lobby against NordStream 2 for years with massive efforts but has been unsuccesful so far because surprisingly, Putin has been the one who made their mission succesful on February 24, when Putin invaded Ukraine and isolated Russia succesfully from the West.
Surely, the USA would blow up a useless pipeline which will never get activated because Putin finished this Job already on February 24.
Surely, the USA would risk the alliance by blowing up a useless pipeline from an allied state (Germany) while there's no need at all to take such a risky adventure (will never get activated).
Surely, the USA would only blow up 3 streams and 1 of them, especially from NordStream 2, will stay intact, so that Putin can still potentially send gas to Germany.  

According to some Kremlin trolls it can also be Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine rent a dolphin, a brave guy (Klitschko) with some dynamite swam on the back of the dolphin through Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, half of the Atlantic, through the English Channel, past Denmark and Sweden just to the Baltic Sea to blow up the useless pipeline.
Surely, Ukraine would risk the support from the west for blowing up a useless pipeline...  

While Russia has a useless pipeline since German politicians have learned their lesson to abandon Putin and his gas. Since Putin invaded Ukraine, it was very clear that NordStream 2 would not be activated. While Putin continued his war crimes and now annexed 4 parts of Ukraine, it was very clear that Germany will stop purchasing Russian gas as soon as possible. Therefore, Putin run out of options what to do with his failed pipeling because Germany doesn't played his game and he looked bad.  
Surprinsingly, one Stream of NordStream 2 is still intact, leaving it open for Putin demanding Germany to open it.
Let me guess which stories are plausible and which not.  

But sure, the guy from Kremlin, who has lied basically every day, is not the one to blow up his useless pipeline and blame the west (as usual).
Idiots like you are his best asset - completely brainwashed...  

It's quite interesting that you are doubling down on your Putin asslicking even if it's making no sense at all.  
We all know it's either Poland, Germany, the US, the UK, France, Sweden or Ukraine but NOT Russia.  

Isn't it embarrassing to defend Russia again and again, while you have already well realized how Russia is a big terrorist state?
Because dude, you know nothing, not about Ukrainian history, not about German history...

It's a mystery why those idiot AfD supporters don't like their critical infrastructure sabotaged by US/Ukraine. But don't let your destroyed credibility stop you, after all you consider your targeted audience to be complete idiots with a memory retention of a gold fish, so just keep posting some new stuff.

It's a mystery why idiots like you are cheering both for
- AfD, a fascist party
- Putin and his criminal regime blowing up his pipeline after it got useless due to Germany not willing to fund Putin's war

Think you need more emojis and call me more names to convince the reader to the validity of the nonsense you spew. Are you a teenage girl by any chance  , because that would explain a lot, not that there's anything wrong with that it's great that you're involving yourself in politics at such young age, I'd just have to adjust my responses accordingly in a way that should be more comprehensible to you  


As you pointed out there a lot of negative stigma associated with AfD, this creates a huge barrier for Germans to voice their disapproval. Despite that, their support keep climbing this is what we adults call trends.

Party	26Sep21	15Sep22	03Aug23
CDU/CSU	24,1%	28%	27%
AfD	10,3%	14%	21%
SPD Scholz	25,7%	17%	17%
Greens	14,8%	21%	15%

Also, it's really mean to call 21% of your population idiots, even if you don't disagree with them. Now we adults also try to explain the trends, for that we either do our own research or look to the news, something like this

Ukraine has exposed the EU’s nationalism
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Joining the EU meant that the national and popular sovereignty of these countries was immediately constrained. In the medium term, this produced a backlash against the EU, the effects of which we now see in Hungary and Poland.
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urged Europeans to unite to become a “third force” in international politics and maintain their position of power in the world. Central to this thinking was the idea of Africa as Europe’s “plantation”.
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many imagined that European integration would overcome not just national sovereignty but sovereignty in general as the EU became a kind of blueprint for global governance
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The far-Right was rising and the centre-right began to converge with it, especially on questions of identity, immigration and Islam. The policy area where this convergence between the centre-right and the far-Right played out most clearly, and with the most horrific consequences, is immigration.
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As Human Rights Watch put it recently, the EU’s policy can be summed up in three words: “let them die.”
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Thus when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, it was inevitably seen as a civilisational Other against which Europe must defend itself.
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Even as it continued to brutally push back migrants in the Mediterranean, it opened its borders to those fleeing from Ukraine and provided them with extraordinary support.
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Perhaps the most peculiar feature of the European response, though, is the way that “pro-Europeans” have suddenly embraced a nationalist movement — as the ubiquitousness of Ukrainian flags illustrates. Traditionally, “pro-Europeans” did not distinguish between ethnic-cultural and civic versions of nationalism, but saw all nationalism as a dangerous force.
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What makes the sudden “pro-European” identification with Ukrainian nationalism even stranger, however, is that it is not just any nationalism. Rather, it has a long history of anti-Semitism which extends from its 16th-century Cossack leader Bohdan Khmelnytsky to Stepan Bandera during the Second World War — both of whom are still venerated in Ukraine. Moreover, after 2014, much of the fighting in the Donbas was done by the Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia that was integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard. Supporters of Ukraine claim that these neo-Nazi elements were later removed. But at least two of the five Azov commanders who Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky recently brought back to Ukraine as heroes are neo-Nazis who go back to the founding of Azov.
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much bigger questions, such as whether, once in the EU, Ukraine would become a larger version of Hungary and Poland.

You reap what you sow.

As far as other trends:

Ukraine and its supporters worry about losing control of the narrative
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government in Kyiv is waging a different kind of battle abroad, trying to shape how the world perceives its counteroffensive.
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Some U.S. officials privately expressed disappointment that the Ukrainians have appeared to hold back on deploying some of their most well-equipped and trained units, and that they have not necessarily applied the training principles they received. “There is a frustration that they have not used more of the combat power that they have,” one U.S. official said.
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Another senior administration official said the Biden administration and U.S. allies have given Ukraine everything it requested for the counteroffensive, including 500 tanks and hundreds of armored vehicles.
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“We are confident that they have significant combat capability available to them...” Pentagon press secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder told reporters Thursday.
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brigade commander had pursued direct assaults during the counteroffensive in hopes of a swift victory. The army sent infantry and armored units to attack the Russian lines across uncleared minefields and without suppressing enemy fire. The brigades were shredded by opposing forces, and the commanders were severely criticized internally for the unnecessary losses.
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy...said they waited “because, frankly, we had not enough munitions and armaments and not enough properly trained brigades.”
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Now, breaking through Russian lines across the dense minefields in the east and the south will almost certainly inflict high casualties on Ukrainian troops, U.S. officials and experts said.
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There is a danger that “there might be the narrative of stalemate or the narrative of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive,” he said.
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“We have launched a counteroffensive without any kind of air superiority — not in the air force, not in drones, not in helicopters. We have a little bit in terms of precision-guided artillery munitions,” said Polyakov, who works for a military think tank advising Zelenskyy. “But to talk about holding back without all these necessary components, it is ludicrous.”
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But there has been no significant change in the front lines in the war for the past nine months. Both Ukrainian and Russian forces have failed to achieve major advances, and Samuel Charap, a senior political scientist at the Rand Corp think tank, argues that neither side has a realistic chance of scoring a definitive victory. As a result, the U.S. should start preparing for an inconclusive outcome and explore options for an eventual diplomatic settlement, he said.
“It’s an indication of where things are going. There’s not going to be a decisive military outcome,” Charap said.

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia
Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia,
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Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. And 51% say that the US has already done enough to help Ukraine while 48% say it should do more. A poll conducted in the early days of the Russian invasion in late February 2022 found 62% who felt the US should have been doing more.
Partisan divisions have widened since that poll, too, with most Democrats and Republicans now on opposing sides of questions on the US role in Ukraine.
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When asked specifically about types of assistance the US could provide to Ukraine, there is broader support for help with intelligence gathering (63%) and military training (53%) than for providing weapons (43%), alongside very slim backing for US military forces to participate in combat operations (17%).
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Republicans broadly say that Congress should not authorize new funding (71%) and that the US has done enough to assist Ukraine (59%). Among Democrats, most say the opposite, 62% favor additional funding and 61% say that the US should do more.
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Independents mostly say the US has done enough to help Ukraine (56%) and that they oppose additional funding (55%).
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There’s an even larger partisan gap over providing weapons to Ukraine, with 61% of Democrats behind that compared with 39% of independents and just 30% of Republicans.

Americans Are Turning Against Ukraine Joining NATO
Support among U.S. voters for Ukraine joining NATO has gone down in the last three months
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in 2020 conducted on April 5 with a 2.53 percent margin of error, just over half of respondents (55 percent) said that Kyiv should join the alliance.
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a survey conducted on July 25 and 26 of the same size sample of voters, with the same margin of error, found that backing for Ukraine's membership of NATO had diminished. Support for Ukraine's membership had gone down by eight percentage points—to 47 percent, with 23 percent "strongly" supporting the move, and 29 percent neutral.
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The proportion of those opposing Ukrainian membership of NATO went up by six percent, to 16 percent

You can close your eyes and stump your feet really hard, but that's not going to change the trends, and you ignore trends at your own peril. In adult life facts don't always align with your wishful thinking regardless how unfair that makes you feel.

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Jens Stoltenberg backing Russia narrative

https://archive.is/0wj8w#selection-497.81-497.134

Defense spending without showing the actual results of the spending, is a very inaccurate way to show that military is getting stronger. Why? A loaf of bread used to cost a $buck. Now it costs $2 or more. With inflation, double the amount of defense spending might easily be buying a smaller defense.