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May 08, 2022, 01:09:09 PM
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Saw this video on YouTube trying to speculate WW3. Although this channel does not include any facts whatsoever in any of their videos.. but still it's interesting how Russia vs NATO and China vs US will unfold and could lead to ultimate nuclear war when Putin and Xi Jinping will be on the verge of defeat in conventional war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG0ROjzgEA0

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May 08, 2022, 01:11:07 PM
Last edit: May 08, 2022, 01:22:48 PM by Veleor
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Finally the glorious Russian Ministry of Bullshit has destroyed the last Ukrainian airplane:

MoD: Russian air defense systems shot down a Ukrainian Su-27 in the Platonovka area.
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In total, 152 aircraft have been destroyed since the beginning of the special military operation [...]

Further in the same article, the number of destroyed and remaining Ukrainian military equipment is given:
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"The Russian military destroyed [...] 112 out of 152 aircraft, 75 helicopters out of 149,
148 air defense systems S-300 and Buk M1 out of 180 [...]"

The quote about the 152 Ukrainian aircraft was on March 25, 2022.
After that, in April, Ukraine's Air Force received 20 more aircraft, according to CNN.



Do you seriously believe that "the Russian side" would say "yeah we dropped a bomb on it" even if they did?
AP is the closest we have to an independent investigation.

An investigation is not a matter of faith, it should be based on a qualitative examination and an objective assessment of the facts presented, regardless of which side points to them.
Have you wondered why the investigation in the theater is not carried out by independent UN experts, but by the US news agency?
Speaking about the AP, some statements cast doubt on its neutrality:
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In 2014, Washington-based website NK News alleged that top executives at AP had in 2011
"agreed to distribute state-produced North Korean propaganda through the AP name"
in order to gain access to the highly profitable market of distributing picture material out of the totalitarian state

There was an OSCE report about the Mariupol Drama Theatre. They write: "This incident constitutes most likely an egregious violation of IHL391 and those who ordered or executed it committed a war crime".
However, when accusing someone of such grave crimes, the phrase "most likely" is inappropriate. Indisputable evidence must be provided, confirmed by independent analysts.
Also, about the OSCE organization, which should be neutral to different sides of the conflict - Moscow has vetoed their observation mission in Ukraine, since, according to the Russian side, the OSCE acted in favor of Kyiv. Moreover, a Russian war correspondent stated in April that the OSCE was involved in transmitting data to the Ukrainian side and adjusting fire on DPR facilities and Russian Federation convoys.



This is what Russian Young and unready soldiers are going to be facing. Several batteries of this scary toys to be wiping out regiments in minutes.
https://youtu.be/pf76pAYyU8U?t=402

What you posted is propaganda, which is designed to raise the morale of Ukrainians so that they go to fight against Russia. But information from direct witnesses and Ukrainian sources speaks of a different truth.
- The Times war correspondent Anthony Loyd visited the front in the village of Peski and found out that two brigades of Ukrainian troops had been ravaged by Russian bombardment in the Donbas in the space of just over a week.
- A Canadian sniper who returned from Ukraine said in an interview that many Western mercenaries come to Ukraine with their chests puffed out and leave with their tails between their legs and Ukrainian soldiers suffer very heavy losses from shelling.
- At the end of April, Ukrainian telegram channels estimated the loss of Ukrainian armed forces between 13,000 and 25,000 people.
- Ukrainian soldiers were sent to fight with only machine guns, a couple of grenades and defective body armors, against Russian Grad, mortars, aviation, BTR's, tanks. From a company of 110 Ukrainian people, less than half remained.
- A post on a Ukrainian Telegram channel how so-called "rusty Russian missiles" destroyed Ukrainian air defense.

On this week Ukrainian parliamentarians "allowed" the Territorial Defense Forces, together with other groupings of troops, to carry out combat missions outside their territorial communities. Prior to this, in February 2022, the Parliament of Ukraine stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would be strengthened by territorial defense units only in case of emergency.
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May 08, 2022, 04:42:27 PM
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Have you wondered why the investigation in the theater is not carried out by independent UN experts, but by the US news agency?

There is nothing to wonder. Mariupol is under Russian occupation and they're picking the rubble apart themselves instead of allowing international investigation like e.g. Ukraine did in Bucha.
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May 08, 2022, 09:19:51 PM
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Do you seriously believe that "the Russian side" would say "yeah we dropped a bomb on it" even if they did?
AP is the closest we have to an independent investigation.

An investigation is not a matter of faith, it should be based on a qualitative examination and an objective assessment of the facts presented, regardless of which side points to them.


This is what Russian Young and unready soldiers are going to be facing. Several batteries of this scary toys to be wiping out regiments in minutes.
https://youtu.be/pf76pAYyU8U?t=402

What you posted is propaganda, which is designed to raise the morale of Ukrainians so that they go to fight against Russia.

[blah blah, Putin's psychos are killing a lot, Ukrainian soldiers are not having fun because this guys says so, Russian media is to be as trusted as others...]
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I could even believe you and ponder and consider... but the problem is that your propaganda does not match the evolution of the war and the movements in the fronts. And that is before the new aid, far more lethal and advanced than before, has arrived. What is arriving is not WW II artillery, it is something completely different.

If you read the military aid sent and the types of weapons sent, you will understand that I am not making anything up. Check the fire rate, number of units, types of munitions and range of what is being sent. It is very serious shit raining on Putin's soldiers starting now. There are some fire tactics and munitions designed to wipe out anything living in a 500 meter square, others than can kill several armoured vehicles on one shot and even guided shells for fine hit jobs.

And that would not be as terrible if it were not for the intel and satellite that is being passed to these units. From the "smile you are on TV" to "gone" in 30 seconds.

If you listen to interviews, Ukrainian soldiers say: I am not surrendering and I am not going anywhere because this is my country, my home and there is no other place for me to "retreat". Meanwhile Russ infantry have been known to break their own vehicles and sell the fuel to avoid going to the front. I do not blame them - there is no reason to die for Putin.

You said there are Ukrainian losses? Of course, this is a war. But they do have a reason to fight, Russian soldiers are there because they are ordered to be.

Today's update:

Now, the news. Putin's psychos are pressing in the Donbas and Mariupol. Putin claims control of Mariupol at the same time that 25 aerial sorties bomb over and over Azovstal.

Ukraine has lost one village (Popsana) & parts of Shandryholove - not much to show for the Russ for the very intensive and localised battle of the Donbas. Ukraine is managing to held the most important strategic parts of the territory and is making Putin's army pay a hefty price for minimal advances.

The south front near Zaphorizha is still active, with the Ukrainian army pushing rather than just resisting. Odessa's air defences have kept busy and some missiles have impacted in the area. As of now, it must be clear that Russia can send missiles, but nothing can get near Odessa by ground or sea. Some Ukrainian advances have been taking place near Kharkiv.


Roumorology...

Switchblade's footage has apparently appeared. These have been sent to troops that could try a break to Mariupol, although is a long shot for now. For example, as long as an artillery maximum range shot.

Pentagon's programme of testing of weapons on Putin's Soldiers update:

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A new US drone that acts as a “flying scout” before destroying tanks has been supplied to Ukraine for use on the battlefield against Russia. The Phoenix Ghost is a “loitering munition”, similar to the US Switchblade drone, and is lightweight and portable, according to a senior Pentagon official


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May 08, 2022, 11:39:42 PM
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Tomorrow is big day for Russia - 9th of May. But this year victory day parade will be significantly smaller than usual:
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-may-9-victory-day-military-parade-ukraine-losses-2022-5
Just guess why? And in many other Russian cities there won't be any military vehicles in parade at all. But no, there is no loses, everything goes according to plan.

I am not subscribed to Kadyrov's telegram channel and watch it occasionally. Definitely this is not a fake factory, I have no questions about the authenticity of its content, if you saw a fake there, please provide a specific link, otherwise it looks like slander.
Seems that post about liberated Svitlychne village already deleted from Kadyrov's telegram, but there article about it remaining on Russian media with link to Kadyrov's telegram:
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/62730da59a79474c6ba7d701
There is more fakes posted on regular basis, but I would need some time to make research and debunk it.

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Declaration of Remembrance and Solidarity, 2016. In 2015, the Restitution of Kresov was created.
Thanks for the link. So, Poland and Ukraine condemn Nazi and Soviet agression, what is understandable. But from what I understand that Restitution of Kresov is just some small movement which don't have big importance and probably majority of Poland people don't even know about it.

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Is this part of the parade?
The parade in Moscow took place yesterday as usual, except that they did not begin to disperse the clouds for the air show. Putin did not declare a general mobilization and the Crimean bridge was also not damaged, so I have nothing to please you with.

No, I meant the one in Kyiv.  The one that would be naive and foolish to think wouldn't happen.  Why didn't they have one there?



Ukrainians will be fighting Russian aggressors to death.
Well, that means they'll die.

Yes, Captain Obvious, aggressors will die. That's the whole point.
In Kyiv on May 9 2022, a traditional parade will be held in honor of the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. It is naive and foolish to doubt it.

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I am sure most of Putin's soldiers would rather go to the parade. Despite some spontaneous combustions all over Russia, seem far safer than getting near a 155mm howitzer.

Did someone mention Wali, the sniper: https://youtu.be/6uCLYAXuQPo?t=12 "I would be more afraid of a number of NATO soldiers than the equivalent Russian soldiers". Translation: Putin is sending Tactical Cannon Fodder to the front.

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I am sure most of Putin's soldiers would rather go to the parade. Despite some spontaneous combustions all over Russia, seem far safer than getting near a 155mm howitzer.

Did someone mention Wali, the sniper: https://youtu.be/6uCLYAXuQPo?t=12 "I would be more afraid of a number of NATO soldiers than the equivalent Russian soldiers". Translation: Putin is sending Tactical Cannon Fodder to the front.

This is more or less what captured Russian soldiers were reporting. They all have 1 experienced soldier in a group per 5-10 rookies. Many of these rookies had only basic training. One group of POWs consisted of teachers whose principal told them they have to enlist for military training or get fired, so they went for 2 week training course and ended up in Ukraine.
You can see how they are running like headless chickens under fire. Artillery hits so they run towards a bunker, the artillery hits near the bunker, they all run out towards nearby bushes. Nobody knows what to do, they leave the wounded behind, get drunk. There's even a video showing them try to run in a civilian Lada car and a drone drops a grenade on their heads.
https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1520080492992897024
Congratulations to whoever piloted this. You sir have a superb aim.

No wonder they can't defend themselves if they're drunk or high most of the time, and when they are not they're hungry and cold.
Eating military rations and drinking vodka for a month can burn a hole in your stomach.

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Eating military rations and drinking vodka for a month can burn a hole in your stomach.

Nah, many of us did it for 4 years and we're still fine
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May 09, 2022, 11:25:48 AM
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In Moscow, the air part of the Victory Parade was canceled. This was announced on Monday, May 9, by the press secretary of the President Dmitry Peskov, TASS reports.

According to him, aviation does not participate in the parade in Moscow due to bad weather.

"Fontanka" reported that St. Petersburg also canceled the air part of the parade. The reason was also the weather conditions at the take-off airfields, the publication specified.

Same in many other cities.

Weather in Moscow was cloudy but otherwise ok, not sure about St. Pete. I'm guessing the excuse is bullshit as usual.
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I am sure most of Putin's soldiers would rather go to the parade. Despite some spontaneous combustions all over Russia, seem far safer than getting near a 155mm howitzer.

Did someone mention Wali, the sniper: https://youtu.be/6uCLYAXuQPo?t=12 "I would be more afraid of a number of NATO soldiers than the equivalent Russian soldiers". Translation: Putin is sending Tactical Cannon Fodder to the front.

This is more or less what captured Russian soldiers were reporting. They all have 1 experienced soldier in a group per 5-10 rookies. Many of these rookies had only basic training. One group of POWs consisted of teachers whose principal told them they have to enlist for military training or get fired, so they went for 2 week training course and ended up in Ukraine.
You can see how they are running like headless chickens under fire. Artillery hits so they run towards a bunker, the artillery hits near the bunker, they all run out towards nearby bushes. Nobody knows what to do, they leave the wounded behind, get drunk. There's even a video showing them try to run in a civilian Lada car and a drone drops a grenade on their heads.
https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1520080492992897024
Congratulations to whoever piloted this. You sir have a superb aim.

No wonder they can't defend themselves if they're drunk or high most of the time, and when they are not they're hungry and cold.
Eating military rations and drinking vodka for a month can burn a hole in your stomach.

I think the lack of training is probably on both sides. But Russian side appears to be less experienced.

Despite all of that, Russians are making some critical advances in the Donbas, stalling and retreating in other areas.

Their strategy is 'v pieriod, blyat' ('forward bitch') no matter the consequences. Eventually, they will run out of resources.

This guy provides an objective view of the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP2QApi8G2TKc8NZmeDWSUg/videos

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Today's update:

- Odessa has taken several missile strikes. Putin's Psychos The Russian Army has gloriously destroyed a mall to de-nazify the people who where shopping inside and made the world a little more inhuman than before. Hypersonic missiles were used to avoid the air defences and alarms did not sound before impacts.
- Kalibr missiles are likely to be used, as the air defences in Odessa seem to take good care of anything cheaper.
- Apparently a cyberattack succeeded in changing the headlines of Russian digital TV to:
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Text headlines of Russian digital TV were changed to "The blood of thousands Ukrainians and hundreds of their killed children on your hands. Your authorities and TV lying to you" in apparent cyber attack
- Ukraine seems to have some success near Kharkiv, with a salient attack that has recovered a few villages. Seems like Putin's army is having trouble. Will this end in Belgorod?
- Another glorious attack by Putin's Psychos killed 60 in a school.
- Azovstal continues being pressed, and continues holding in Mariupol.

On the political front, the EU is trying to get Slovakia, Czechia and Hungary to agree on the Petroleum decoupling with Russia, to be progressive during the next six months. It will be a difficult negotiation but it is certainly worth it for the impact that will have on the war finances. As it usually happens with the EU, the response is always a bit slow and sometimes a bit weak, but it is a good start for the total future decoupling from Putin's Russia energy.

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A month into the invasion, Russia pulled back from Kyiv and declared its main goal was the "liberation of Donbas" - broadly referring to Ukraine's eastern regions of Luhansk and Donetsk. More than a third of this area was already seized by Russian proxy forces in a war that began in 2014, now Russia wanted to conquer all of it. What do you think about this???

Fuck off with your copy pasta is what I think.
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I am not subscribed to Kadyrov's telegram channel and watch it occasionally. Definitely this is not a fake factory, I have no questions about the authenticity of its content, if you saw a fake there, please provide a specific link, otherwise it looks like slander.
Seems that post about liberated Svitlychne village already deleted from Kadyrov's telegram, but there article about it remaining on Russian media with link to Kadyrov's telegram:
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/62730da59a79474c6ba7d701
There is more fakes posted on regular basis, but I would need some time to make research and debunk it.
A single remote message with information that has not been confirmed does not make the entire channel an unreliable source. With this approach, you will not have any sources at all.

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Thanks for the link. So, Poland and Ukraine condemn Nazi and Soviet agression, what is understandable. But from what I understand that Restitution of Kresov is just some small movement which don't have big importance and probably majority of Poland people don't even know about it.
This joint conviction has far-reaching legal implications. The Kresy Restitution organization managed to collect information about 100,000 (according to other sources, more than 160,000) Polish heirs and property owners in Western Ukraine.

Is this part of the parade?
The parade in Moscow took place yesterday as usual, except that they did not begin to disperse the clouds for the air show. Putin did not declare a general mobilization and the Crimean bridge was also not damaged, so I have nothing to please you with.

Their strategy is 'v pieriod, blyat' ('forward bitch') no matter the consequences. Eventually, they will run out of resources.
I appreciate your optimism! It seems that Russia should have run out of missiles in early March. Grin

Today's update:

- Odessa has taken several missile strikes. Putin's Psychos The Russian Army has gloriously destroyed a mall to de-nazify the people who where shopping inside and made the world a little more inhuman than before. Hypersonic missiles were used to avoid the air defences and alarms did not sound before impacts.
Rumor has it that a hypersonic missile flew into the hotel where the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were trained in firing from the American M777 howitzer, lived, but I cannot find an exact confirmation. Something strange is also happening around Snake Island, it seems there are losses on both sides.

Did someone mention Wali, the sniper: https://youtu.be/6uCLYAXuQPo?t=12 "I would be more afraid of a number of NATO soldiers than the equivalent Russian soldiers". Translation: Putin is sending Tactical Cannon Fodder to the front.
This is an old video, since then Wali's opinion has changed a lot. A sniper has little chance in a situation where the Russians use artillery instead of sniper rifles.

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Is this part of the parade?
The parade in Moscow took place yesterday as usual, except that they did not begin to disperse the clouds for the air show. Putin did not declare a general mobilization and the Crimean bridge was also not damaged, so I have nothing to please you with.

Don't have enough helicopters and jets to show at the air parade because half of the air force is being dismantled for scrap by Ukrainians and the other half is busy bombing cities. How are we going to hide it?
Say that it's too cloudy today! Nobody's going to ask any questions. They know where questions lead.

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Don't have enough helicopters and jets to show at the air parade because half of the air force is being dismantled for scrap by Ukrainians and the other half is busy bombing cities. How are we going to hide it?
Say that it's too cloudy today! Nobody's going to ask any questions. They know where questions lead.
Victory Day in Russia is a great national holiday, and you will not be able to spoil it with your impotent poisonous fantasies.

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Their strategy is 'v pieriod, blyat' ('forward bitch') no matter the consequences. Eventually, they will run out of resources.
I appreciate your optimism! It seems that Russia should have run out of missiles in early March. Grin


Did someone mention Wali, the sniper: https://youtu.be/6uCLYAXuQPo?t=12 "I would be more afraid of a number of NATO soldiers than the equivalent Russian soldiers". Translation: Putin is sending Tactical Cannon Fodder to the front.
This is an old video, since then Wali's opinion has changed a lot. A sniper has little chance in a situation where the Russians use artillery instead of sniper rifles.

Running out of missiles, that is unlikely. Being able to replace the ones used without access to any advanced microchips, that is more than unlikely. Sanctions are slow, but persistent.

The use of missiles depicts a situation in which that is the only option and certainly an inadequate one. These are very expensive and are a weapon of choice for a certain range of targets that are high value, strategically important and are clearly located and researched (for example, sinking the Moskva is a perfect use for missiles).

Using a missile to hit a civilian building actually reveals that Putin's Psychos cannot use anything more "appropriate" near Odessa. To put it plainly: a couple of artillery shells do nearly the same effect at a tenth of the cost and the effects can be better predicted and evaluated. Putin's army has not run out of missile, it has run out of steam.

Mobilisation would be a solution, but Putin knows the political cost of doing so: Recognising before his own that Russia is a belligerent nation in an ongoing war and getting bodybags / plenty of human ashes delivered to the door of Russian mothers and widows.

Options are very limited for Putin and none of them are good - just no worse than others.

RE Wali, I take it as a personal experience and for what he says, Ukraine needs to make better use of this type of experts. The good thing is that at least they are sober, not like the unmotivated and homesick youngsters that Putin is sending to the front.

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Rumor has it that a hypersonic missile flew into the hotel where the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were trained in firing from the American M777 howitzer, lived, but I cannot find an exact confirmation. Something strange is also happening around Snake Island, it seems there are losses on both sides.
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Sure... they were training at a shopping centre. While people also did their shopping before being massacred.

I agree, there are looses on both sides in Snake Island. Ukraine seems to be loosing grenades and drone bombs while Putin's Army seems to be loosing cannon fodder young Russian soldiers and equipment.

As of now, this Island is probably the most photographed spot on earth along with the Eiffel Tower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hF8ZNkLLLY

You can run but you cannot hide...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJV40LM-4TA


The glorious Russian military again doing what it does best - i.e. lying.

Family of one of the sailors who died on Moskva can't find out what happened to their son and the fleet command is covering up his death with blatant lies:

  • The flagship was not in Ukrainian territory.
  • The flagship was not participating in the "special operation".
  • Your son went missing in the "accident" and his location has not been determined.

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1522458616913145857

Yeah I mean just tell us you what you do best. I suggest you go fight them.

My take is that these are not lies, from their point of view. Russia does not recognise these waters as Ukrainian, the ship is permanently in the Black Sea and the unfortunate young sailor may have the victim of an accident (e.g. burned by the flames) and his location has not been determined because either there is not enough of him left or because nobody really cared where the guy ended.

Do not die for Putin - there is no reason to kill yourself going to Ukraine.


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May 10, 2022, 09:31:12 AM
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I didn't follow closely, who kept Snake Island before special operation started, and who is
keeping it now?
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I didn't follow closely, who kept Snake Island before special operation started, and who is
keeping it now?

It was one of those amusing fabrications that the Western media got involved in early on.  Like the 'Ghost of Kiev' lady who took out a whole Roosian air wing in her modified Pitts Special fighter plane (with graphics supplied by a video game.)

In the Western press, the Ukrainian 'defenders' told the Rooskies to F-off, mounted bayonets, grabed their entrenching tools, and fought to the last man.  In reality, they surrendered and were returned to Ukraine with a promise to not participate in the struggle any more.  Probably most of the neglected the pledge (at gunpoint from the swastika guys) I would guess, and was chalked up as an example of the early false hopes that the Russians had about the disposition of the Jewish funded CIA-run enemy.

Answer, the Russians or their proxies did not have it prior to the war.  From what I can tell they had it but don't have it now.  The (rather questionable) story from the Russian side is that the fought off an attack recently, but then abandoned the island anyway.  Add this to the list of things which make me wonder how much of this whole conflict is made up out of whole cloth on BOTH sides of the info war.


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I didn't follow closely, who kept Snake Island before special operation started, and who is
keeping it now?
This is the same island whose Ukrainian defenders sent the Russian ship to hell and then died heroically. Then it turned out that they were captured and were exchanged. Then the island was controlled by Russia, but a few days ago Ukraine launched an operation to liberate it. It seems that Ukraine has already lost several missile boats, planes, helicopters and bayraktars there, Russia also has losses, at least one helicopter. Now the island is gray on the maps, its status is uncertain. Why Ukraine had to spend so much effort to capture this island is beyond me. Theoretically, the island can be fired upon by the new M777 howitzers with some types of long-range ammunition, it is located 40 km from the nearest coast and about 56 km from Odessa.

Perhaps Ukraine is tritely trying to divert attention from the painful defeat in the Donbass, after losing control over Popasna.

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