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Wet fantasies about lend-lease and about a million recruits in the tenth wave of mobilization? Freshly. Why are you still not on the eastern front? LoL Nice try, troll. I'm too valuable on another kind of front. Better keep doing what i ecxel at, unlinke drunk RA mobilized civilians of the "eastern front". I quoted and highlighted this, because with that wording you are admitting, once again, that the "special military operation" is in fact war. While Putin wanted to fight, UA has to fight. He wants to fight so much, that he's coordinating bataillions himself with his failing general of choice (what was his name already?). He should let the army professionals do their job, but no... This reveals overburdening. Putin is losing not only his mind, but also (t)his war. He should fight on the "political front" to not get Russia completely isolated. Instead he shows his emperor-complex. He went insane. Do you think two years of fear-of-covid self-isolation contributed to his sanity? If so, you're delusional. EDIT: Just look at him. He's almost finished. Just wait for it.
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May 17, 2022, 07:24:59 AM Last edit: May 17, 2022, 07:38:18 AM by TwitchySeal |
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Igor Girkin: Russian army veteran and former Federal Security Service (FSB) officer who played a key role in the Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, and later the War in Donbas as an organizer of militant groups of the Donetsk People's Republic's. Girkin led a group of militants into Ukraine where he participated in the Siege of Sloviansk. During the battle he increased his influence and ultimately became the de-facto military commander of all separatist forces in the Donbas region, which was confirmed by the "prime minister" Alexander Borodai of the Donetsk People's Republic who appointed him as official Defense Minister.From a recent post in his TG Channel : https://t.me/strelkovii/2557General conclusion: I must state with regret that the operation to defeat the enemy's Donetsk grouping, widely publicized in late April-early May, FAIL. For more than two weeks of fierce fighting (which cost both sides very heavy losses), only tactical successes were achieved. Not a single large settlement was liberated (the exception is the city of Rubezhnoye, but the battles for it began before the offensive began). Probably, certain tactical successes will still be achieved before the moment when the enemy goes over to the counteroffensive. But it is already clear that Donbass will not be fully liberated before the beginning of summer. Probably, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not even be thrown back from the suburbs of Donetsk. And I cannot say that this result is unexpected for me. Vice versa. The art of war requires its adherents to strike where the enemy least expects them. In our case, the intention of the Russian command was so obvious, the terrain was so beneficial for the defending side, and the balance of forces was almost equal on both sides, that only ... our General Staff could count on decisive success. At the moment, our troops are drawn into exhausting offensive battles, continuing (as I have already noted) "to play by the rules proposed by the enemy." And the point is not only and not so much in individual examples of "outstanding bungling" (such as forcing S. Donets), but in the fact that losses incurred in daily offensive battles (not ending in the defeat of the enemy) cannot be quickly compensated by trained replacements. While the enemy continues to frantically prepare its strategic reserves. And where he will deliver his blows, when our troops finally "run out of steam" - no one knows (although this can also be predicted, but I will not do this publicly ... until I do).
What should be done in the current situation, when it became CLEAR THAT OUR TROOPS CANNOT DEAL EVEN LIMITED DAMAGE TO THE ENEMY IN A FIELD BATTLE, and when it is NECESSARY TO PREPARE FOR A PROTRACTED HEAVY LARGE-SCALE WAR - I have written and said more than once. So far, only "a good friend of all Urgants" has responded and stated that nothing of this will be done ... Well, well ... Anyone that doesn't see what a disaster this has been for Russia is delusional. The Russian Military and Putins puppets are so unorganized and corrupt that even the pro Russia Seperatists are getting fed up: Frictions between Russian occupation administrations and pro-Russian collaborators is growing in occupied areas of Ukraine. The Zaporizhia Oblast Military Administration reported that Russian forces are having serious conflicts with collaborators due to interpersonal power conflicts.[4] A well-known collaborator in Zaporizhia accused the Russian-installed governor of the area of stealing his 10,000 ruble compensation. Advisor to the Mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryshchenko additionally claimed that relatives of those mobilized into the forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) are holding a mass protest against mobilization in Donetsk City. While ISW cannot independently verify these claims, such discontent amongst occupation elements suggests a general lack of planning by Russian authorities in occupied areas, now compounded by increasingly evident Russian losses. ISW RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MAY 16How embarrassing.
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May 17, 2022, 09:28:55 AM |
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LoL Nice try, troll. I'm too valuable on another kind of front. Better keep doing what i ecxel at, unlinke drunk RA mobilized civilians of the "eastern front". I quoted and highlighted this, because with that wording you are admitting, once again, that the "special military operation" is in fact war.
While Putin wanted to fight, UA has to fight. He wants to fight so much, that he's coordinating bataillions himself with his failing general of choice (what was his name already?). He should let the army professionals do their job, but no... This reveals overburdening. Putin is losing not only his mind, but also (t)his war. He should fight on the "political front" to not get Russia completely isolated. Instead he shows his emperor-complex. He went insane. Do you think two years of fear-of-covid self-isolation contributed to his sanity? If so, you're delusional.
EDIT: Just look at him. He's almost finished. Just wait for it.
I think big part of this war IS to actually isolate Russia from West...they were not wise enough, or had enough manpower to do what China did with Great Firewall of China, and now doing it this, much more primitive way, and using war as excuse, among other things
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May 17, 2022, 12:24:41 PM |
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... Source?
The original source was Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok battalion of the People's Militia of the DPR. The information seems to be confirmed, although not in full in terms of numbers. Ahhhh... "that type of source".
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General conclusion: ... At the moment, our troops are drawn into exhausting offensive battles, continuing (as I have already noted) "to play by the rules proposed by the enemy." And the point is not only and not so much in individual examples of "outstanding bungling" (such as forcing S. Donets), but in the fact that losses incurred in daily offensive battles (not ending in the defeat of the enemy) cannot be quickly compensated by trained replacements. While the enemy continues to frantically prepare its strategic reserves. And where he will deliver his blows, when our troops finally "run out of steam" - no one knows (although this can also be predicted, but I will not do this publicly ... until I do). ...
I am going to allow myself to quote some WW I notes here: During the war, the liberal nationalist Progressists’ Utro Rossii (Russia’s Morning), published by Moscow industrialists, acquired considerable influence (circulation in 1916: 40,000-45,000; in 1917: up to 150,000). They actively pushed the subject of “German atrocities” on the military front and “German domination” in the Russian rear, while also advocating Slavophile ideas about Russia’s war aims. Most newspapers, highbrow and lowbrow, came under the influence of such ideas in the beginning of the war. Does this sound familiar? Tsarist censorship strictly limited the information about military operations that could appear in the press. However, it could not stem the increasing criticism of the government. One of the main features of the Russian press during the First World War was the search for an internal enemy. The press understood the aim of the war to be the transformation of the world in accordance with, depending on the publication’s politics, Slavophile, liberal-democratic, or socialist ideals. So, next step will be the search for the "internal enemy", this explains the purging of high ranking officers, but soon "internal nazi's" and "gayrope collaborators" will be "found gloriously" by the Russian Intelligence(less) Service. And lastly... The fate of Russia and its tsarist government was bound up in the tragedy of World War I. Like other European powers, Russia entered the conflict with a haughty overestimation of its own military capacity and a critical underestimation of how long and costly the war would be. More than two years of total war would place enormous strain on Russia’s underdeveloped infrastructure and social conditions, contributing directly to the collapse of the tsarist regime. I am starting to see a pattern here. The only issue is that a revolt on a nuclear power is not indifferent to the rest of the world.
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May 17, 2022, 01:52:51 PM |
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... Source?
The original source was Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok battalion of the People's Militia of the DPR. The information seems to be confirmed, although not in full in terms of numbers. Ahhhh... "that type of source". Here, in more detail, footage of the surrender of the militants of the Azov nationalist unit and Ukrainian servicemen blocked at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.
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May 17, 2022, 01:58:03 PM |
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So, once Putin dies or get overthrown, and some hardliner replaces him, what will happen next? Would it be good if Chechens get their republic and 30-40 nukes?
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May 17, 2022, 04:19:46 PM |
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... Source?
The original source was Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok battalion of the People's Militia of the DPR. The information seems to be confirmed, although not in full in terms of numbers. Ahhhh... "that type of source". Here, in more detail, footage of the surrender of the militants of the Azov nationalist unit and Ukrainian servicemen blocked at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol. Congrats. You've finally scored a point. You've got negative 13 points now.
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May 17, 2022, 05:46:31 PM |
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... Source?
The original source was Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok battalion of the People's Militia of the DPR. The information seems to be confirmed, although not in full in terms of numbers. Ahhhh... "that type of source". Here, in more detail, footage of the surrender of the militants of the Azov nationalist unit and Ukrainian servicemen blocked at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol. Congrats. You've finally scored a point. You've got negative 13 points now. The numbers though... I have read 51 wounded, 256 total, from the MoD Russia. So, four soldiers carrying one wounded, totals 255. Seems they just kept... uhm saved... the carrying azov soldiers. Russia has a very negative trust rating, judged by the "say/do" balances of the past. I would not rely on their announcement to swap PoW at some "later" point.
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May 17, 2022, 05:50:30 PM |
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... Source?
The original source was Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok battalion of the People's Militia of the DPR. The information seems to be confirmed, although not in full in terms of numbers. Ahhhh... "that type of source". Here, in more detail, footage of the surrender of the militants of the Azov nationalist unit and Ukrainian servicemen blocked at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol. Congrats. You've finally scored a point. You've got negative 13 points now. The numbers though... I have read 51 wounded, 256 total, from the MoD Russia. So, four soldiers carrying one wounded, totals 255. Seems they just kept... uhm saved... the carrying azov soldiers. Russia has a very negative trust rating, judged by the "say/do" balances of the past. I would not rely on their announcement to swap PoW at some "later" point. Maybe they want to first settle "shoot knee, stick knife through eye" score?
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May 17, 2022, 05:59:11 PM |
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Maybe they want to first settle "shoot knee, stick knife through eye" score?
Hmm, IDK. Sorry, but i don't get the irony in your statement.
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May 17, 2022, 08:39:02 PM |
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All the Nazi members in Bitcointalk. They don't want to talk this stuff:
The Sweet Sound of Surrendering Nazified Ukrainian Thugs in MariupolThey were not "evacuated" from Mariupol's Azovstal steel plant as MSM falsely reported.
The US-installed and controlled Kiev regime let them surrender "to save (their) lives."
The alternative was death.
According to Russia's Defense Ministry on Monday:
"(A)fter negotiations with Ukrainian military personnel (holed up) in (Mariupol's) Azovstal plant, an agreement was reached to pull out wounded" Nazified thugs through a Russian-established humanitarian corridor.
On Tuesday, over 200 likeminded Ukrainian fighters inside the plant surrendered.
It's unclear if others remain inside the facility.
Ukraine's greatly degraded military confirmed the surrender.
What it called their "completed…combat mission" included Nuremberg-level high crimes — ones convicted Nazi Germany war criminals were imprisoned or hanged for.
Reading pre-scripted remarks prepared for him to recite, puppet Zelensky confirmed the above, adding:
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All the Nazi members in Bitcointalk. They don't want to talk this stuff propaganda bullshit: ... FTFY You know, two governments bringing opposite presentations of these happenings via mass media (more or less)... We can't both be sure, but there are things we just don't know (yet?). But, at the core, Russia is invading Ukraine, killing civilians in civil places, drawing others in to send them against their own citizens, doing the opposite of the government's proposed plans ("nobody is going to invade UA, it's just maneuvers", remember?), and this just stinks like hell, nazis or not. Nazis are international, but they don't "rule" no population. Well, definitely not sure about Russia, as of now, though.
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All the Nazi members in Bitcointalk. They don't want to talk this stuff propaganda bullshit: ... FTFY You know, two governments bringing opposite presentations of these happenings via mass media (more or less)... We can't both be sure, but there are things we just don't know (yet?). But, at the core, Russia is invading Ukraine, killing civilians in civil places, drawing others in to send them against their own citizens, doing the opposite of the government's proposed plans ("nobody is going to invade UA, it's just maneuvers", remember?), and this just stinks like hell, nazis or not. Nazis are international, but they don't "rule" no population, well, definitely not sure about Russia, as of now. At the core, Russia is fighting for her autonomy. Sweeden and Finland want to join NATO. The Ukraine is almost there, and other nations on Russia's border have already joined. Russia has been warning the US to back off, just as the US would warn Russia to back off if Russia set up its military in Mexico and Canada. WW3, around the corner, because the US is pushing Russia into it.
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All the Nazi members in Bitcointalk. They don't want to talk this stuff propaganda bullshit: ... FTFY You know, two governments bringing opposite presentations of these happenings via mass media (more or less)... We can't both be sure, but there are things we just don't know (yet?). But, at the core, Russia is invading Ukraine, killing civilians in civil places, drawing others in to send them against their own citizens, doing the opposite of the government's proposed plans ("nobody is going to invade UA, it's just maneuvers", remember?), and this just stinks like hell, nazis or not. Nazis are international, but they don't "rule" no population, well, definitely not sure about Russia, as of now. At the core, Russia is fighting for her autonomy. Sweeden and Finland want to join NATO. The Ukraine is almost there, and other nations on Russia's border have already joined. Russia has been warning the US to back off, just as the US would warn Russia to back off if Russia set up its military in Mexico and Canada. WW3, around the corner, because the US is pushing Russia into it. Finland and Sweden want to join the NATO because Russia is fighting for autonomy in foreign countries! It's shit about what the US did, it's about how Russia was reacting to it. I don't deny that the US and some other "interested" involved parties played a role in escalation, but this war is unneccessary, rushed and inhuman. Russia indirectly gave the US more opportunities to interfere. WHERE IS THE RUSSIAN WIN IN THIS WAR? Russia can only lose, imo. Unbelievable stupid play by Putin. He may have lost his mind. EDIT: Alternative option: Maybe Putin always was just a moron, and it went OK for Russia in his past regency times by luck, until recently?
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At the core, Russia is fighting for her autonomy. Sweeden and Finland want to join NATO. The Ukraine is almost there, and other nations on Russia's border have already joined. Russia has been warning the US to back off, just as the US would warn Russia to back off if Russia set up its military in Mexico and Canada. WW3, around the corner, because the US is pushing Russia into it. Finland and Sweden want to join the NATO because Russia is fighting for autonomy in foreign countries! It's shit about what the US did, it's about how Russia was reacting to it. I don't deny that the US and some other "interested" involved parties played a role in escalation, but this war is unneccessary, rushed and inhuman. Russia indirectly gave the US more opportunities to interfere. WHERE IS THE RUSSIAN WIN IN THIS WAR? Russia can only lose, imo. Unbelievable stupid play by Putin. He may have lost his mind. I agree with you. War is stupid. Even if Russia started the war, it did so with Putin signing off on #51 in the UN charter, which states that he is doing it as a police action... the same thing that the US has been doing for decades around the world. Putin's actions might be stupid, but there is a large chunk of cleverness involved as well. As it stands, Russia might be the only strength that stands between one-worlders forcing all of the nations into a one-world government. No more independent US. Lots of freedoms gone at the same time.
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May 17, 2022, 09:37:35 PM Last edit: May 17, 2022, 09:52:19 PM by paxmao |
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So, once Putin dies or get overthrown, and some hardliner replaces him, what will happen next? Would it be good if Chechens get their republic and 30-40 nukes?
Yup that's mainly the problem, that is why Biden backed up from his statement that Putin should be removed from power and why I pointed in my previous post that we are no longer in 1914. ... Source?
The original source was Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok battalion of the People's Militia of the DPR. The information seems to be confirmed, although not in full in terms of numbers. Ahhhh... "that type of source". Here, in more detail, footage of the surrender of the militants of the Azov nationalist unit and Ukrainian servicemen blocked at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol. That's all right, I saw it today in CNN. Now, will your leader admit these are soldiers and exchange them or the desire for revenge and barbarism is too much to resist? I can figure out that he cares little for Russ prisoners, as little as he cared for these ones....
Congrats. You've finally scored a point. You've got negative 13 points now.
Lol... still pretending that we use "his sources" as credible is kind of fun. But yes, they surrendered, it had to happen. ... Russia has a very negative trust rating, judged by the "say/do" balances of the past. I would not rely on their announcement to swap PoW at some "later" point.
Translation: after torture and questioning, plus a few years in artic.
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May 18, 2022, 02:39:51 AM Last edit: May 18, 2022, 05:56:51 AM by be.open |
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Lol... still pretending that we use "his sources" as credible is kind of fun. But yes, they surrendered, it had to happen.
You are trying in vain to put on a good face on a bad game. No, they shouldn't have given up, it's a shame. The "cyborgs" from Azov were to die and become heroes - that would have been a military defeat, but a political victory for Kyiv. And now it's just an inglorious defeat of Kyiv, and a shameful defeat of the Nazi ideals of Azov, which, in fact, turned out to be not worthy of dying for them. There will be no exchange, military investigators are already working and Nazi criminals will be convicted. The surrender continues, last night another 200 Nazis of Azov came out of the bunker in addition to 265 from the first batch. Meanwhile, Russia has decided to test the new Terminator tank support fighting vehicle in combat conditions.
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Lol... still pretending that we use "his sources" as credible is kind of fun. But yes, they surrendered, it had to happen.
You are trying in vain to put on a good face on a bad game. No, they shouldn't have given up, it's a shame. The "cyborgs" from Azov were to die and become heroes - that would have been a military defeat, but a political victory for Kyiv. And now it's just an inglorious defeat of Kyiv, and a shameful defeat of the Nazi ideals of Azov, which, in fact, turned out to be not worthy of dying for them. There will be no exchange, military investigators are already working and Nazi criminals will be convicted. The surrender continues, last night another 200 Nazis of Azov came out of the bunker in addition to 265 from the first batch. Meanwhile, Russia has decided to test the new Terminator tank support fighting vehicle in combat conditions. Keep talking... 28,300 Russians dead so far, not counting the ones vaporized or blown up to pieces.
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And now it's just an inglorious defeat of Kyiv, and a shameful defeat of the Nazi ideals of Azov, which, in fact, turned out to be not worthy of dying for them. There will be no exchange, military investigators are already working and Nazi criminals will be convicted. The surrender continues, last night another 200 Nazis of Azov came out of the bunker in addition to 265 from the first batch. Meanwhile, Russia has decided to test the new Terminator tank support fighting vehicle in combat conditions. Do you think they'll get a fair trial?
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