[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 - September 17

[Fredomago]

F***ing Bob Arum made a deal already for lineal champion Artur Beterbiev to defend his 3 belts in England against Anthony Yarde. Right after the fight, Beterbiev clearly said he wanted to unify the 4 belts in order to become undisputed. Beterbiev is already 37, time is his enemy. He needs to fight the last remaining belt holder Dmity Bivol. Canelo Alvarez a guy who always wanted to challenge himself will surely try again if that fight is for the undisputed belts. In this 4 belt era, there was never been a 2 division undisputed champion. Canelo might become the first one.       

That's why some boxers leave the Top Rank promotion because they cannot do everything they want. Bob would make sure that he will not lose his cash cow, but as a fighter who wants to build some legacy before he retires, he wants to be an undisputed champion. It would be nice to see an undisputed fight, but it's always the promoter that will be followed.

Promoters still have the last decision when in terms of every fighters fate, they can't do anything under the contract that they've sign if they wanted to make their own ways the only chance in doing it is to leave the camp and explore to any available opportunities, Arum is a good example that fighters needs to leave Top Rank after gaining the hypes, if they want more legacy and bigger amount of money they need to leave, Arum will not let his cash cows not being abused he will suck everything until the fighter realized that they can stand on their own and find the way to continue their legacy inside this sport.

[serjent05]

F***ing Bob Arum made a deal already for lineal champion Artur Beterbiev to defend his 3 belts in England against Anthony Yarde. Right after the fight, Beterbiev clearly said he wanted to unify the 4 belts in order to become undisputed. Beterbiev is already 37, time is his enemy. He needs to fight the last remaining belt holder Dmity Bivol. Canelo Alvarez a guy who always wanted to challenge himself will surely try again if that fight is for the undisputed belts. In this 4 belt era, there was never been a 2 division undisputed champion. Canelo might become the first one.       

As a promoter, all he can do is bring more cash to the table.  Probably the fight against Yarde will yield them more income.  The promoter is all business, they don't care about a boxer's legacy but the money to make when dealing and closing a contract.  But well, they can fulfill that wished fight later and I think another year of waiting won't affect Beterbiev's fighting statistics. 

[Botnake]

F***ing Bob Arum made a deal already for lineal champion Artur Beterbiev to defend his 3 belts in England against Anthony Yarde. Right after the fight, Beterbiev clearly said he wanted to unify the 4 belts in order to become undisputed. Beterbiev is already 37, time is his enemy. He needs to fight the last remaining belt holder Dmity Bivol. Canelo Alvarez a guy who always wanted to challenge himself will surely try again if that fight is for the undisputed belts. In this 4 belt era, there was never been a 2 division undisputed champion. Canelo might become the first one.      

That's literally unfortunate for Artur Beterbiev because he might have no chance to fight for an undisputed fight against Dmitrii Bivol as his voice is nothing when it comes to his promoter, Bob Arum. Every boxer's dream is to have a legacy and Artur Beterbiev is definitely capable on being an undisputed fighter if Arum gives him a chance earlier because now he's turning 38 years old while the other title holder is still 31 years old. I won't be shocked if there's no one gets interested anymore in signing the Top Rank.

[harizen]

F***ing Bob Arum made a deal already for lineal champion Artur Beterbiev to defend his 3 belts in England against Anthony Yarde. Right after the fight, Beterbiev clearly said he wanted to unify the 4 belts in order to become undisputed. Beterbiev is already 37, time is his enemy. He needs to fight the last remaining belt holder Dmity Bivol. Canelo Alvarez a guy who always wanted to challenge himself will surely try again if that fight is for the undisputed belts. In this 4 belt era, there was never been a 2 division undisputed champion. Canelo might become the first one.      

That's literally unfortunate for Artur Beterbiev because he might have no chance to fight for an undisputed fight against Dmitrii Bivol as his voice is nothing when it comes to his promoter, Bob Arum. Every boxer's dream is to have a legacy and Artur Beterbiev is definitely capable on being an undisputed fighter if Arum gives him a chance earlier because now he's turning 38 years old while the other title holder is still 31 years old. I won't be shocked if there's no one gets interested anymore in signing the Top Rank.

That was really unfortunate. Father time is catching up for Beterbiev and Bivol is still in his prime. They need to get this done.

However, if it's about money, Beterbiev will surely enjoy what he will receive. Bob Arum is maybe a fuc*ing bastard but without his influence, a fight might not generate a good income. Bob Arum knows well how to make big money in every fight he is organizing.

I'm speculating 2 scenarios here:

a) stay away from Arum's shadow after the fight with Yarde so he can demand a unification against Bivol

Or maybe,

b) Arum told Beterbiev that Bivol fight will be next if he beats Yarde

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

^ Probably Arthur and his team are offered by the second option by Arum himself. And reason out that belts are not that important, he has cemented his legacy already with a 3 belt that he is holding right now. So obviously, this tactic is milking his cash cow. Sure win for Yarde fight and it it goes into England, more money for them are British is know to be a very sport loving country and they love their home grown talent.

[Fredomago]

^ Probably Arthur and his team are offered by the second option by Arum himself. And reason out that belts are not that important, he has cemented his legacy already with a 3 belt that he is holding right now. So obviously, this tactic is milking his cash cow. Sure win for Yarde fight and it it goes into England, more money for them are British is know to be a very sport loving country and they love their home grown talent.

2nd option will generate more money, he just need to wait for that moment where he can fight Bivol but at this moment he just need to keep winning to collect more money, it's not just sport but a money milking place for promoters like Bob Arum, he understand how to manage every single fight of his fighter.

He knows well when to orchestrate a fight and how to bring more audiences and interest, Boxing industry knows the man and his way
 
of handling legends, no problem as long as he and the fighter collect big paychecks, the show will move on.

[Yamifoud]

^ Probably Arthur and his team are offered by the second option by Arum himself. And reason out that belts are not that important, he has cemented his legacy already with a 3 belt that he is holding right now. So obviously, this tactic is milking his cash cow. Sure win for Yarde fight and it it goes into England, more money for them are British is know to be a very sport loving country and they love their home grown talent.

Arum is not new to the business, in fact, he is the oldest promoter if I'm not mistaken, so he really knows how to play the game, he will milk his cow and will continue to do the same strategy so he will become richer and richer. That's why we have other promoters, but Top Rank is such a big promoter, it gives their fighers a chance to be popular but they have to follow the rules as the promoter will always have the last say.

[YuginKadoya]

That's literally unfortunate for Artur Beterbiev because he might have no chance to fight for an undisputed fight against Dmitrii Bivol as his voice is nothing when it comes to his promoter, Bob Arum. Every boxer's dream is to have a legacy and Artur Beterbiev is definitely capable on being an undisputed fighter if Arum gives him a chance earlier because now he's turning 38 years old while the other title holder is still 31 years old. I won't be shocked if there's no one gets interested anymore in signing the Top Rank.

There is no stopping his Artur Beterbiev age, and yes he needs to keep on fighting until he turns on the age he can not have his devastating punches again, after this Joe Smith Jr. fight fans would love to see an Artur Beterbiev VS Dmitrii Bivol, until they are out of their prime, I don't really know what stopping Arum from giving that fight, but I think it is a good fight that many will surely wash,


WOW! I never thought there is a thread about the Canelo VS Golovkin fight, I am surprised about Gennady Golovkin being 40 years old and still kicking fights I'd say Canelo Alvarez is still at his 31st of age while Golovkin is readying for his retirement, from what I see from both fighters 1st 2 fights a draw and a win for Canelo Alvarez, in my opinion, this could be a repeat of the past but in my opinion, Alvarez still can not underestimate Golovkin for his age this is a fighting trilogy for me I think Canelo Alvarez has a lot of advantage from age, experience, and the technicality, so my pick will be Canelo Alvarez

[Botnake]

F***ing Bob Arum made a deal already for lineal champion Artur Beterbiev to defend his 3 belts in England against Anthony Yarde. Right after the fight, Beterbiev clearly said he wanted to unify the 4 belts in order to become undisputed. Beterbiev is already 37, time is his enemy. He needs to fight the last remaining belt holder Dmity Bivol. Canelo Alvarez a guy who always wanted to challenge himself will surely try again if that fight is for the undisputed belts. In this 4 belt era, there was never been a 2 division undisputed champion. Canelo might become the first one.      

That's literally unfortunate for Artur Beterbiev because he might have no chance to fight for an undisputed fight against Dmitrii Bivol as his voice is nothing when it comes to his promoter, Bob Arum. Every boxer's dream is to have a legacy and Artur Beterbiev is definitely capable on being an undisputed fighter if Arum gives him a chance earlier because now he's turning 38 years old while the other title holder is still 31 years old. I won't be shocked if there's no one gets interested anymore in signing the Top Rank.

That was really unfortunate. Father time is catching up for Beterbiev and Bivol is still in his prime. They need to get this done.

However, if it's about money, Beterbiev will surely enjoy what he will receive. Bob Arum is maybe a fuc*ing bastard but without his influence, a fight might not generate a good income. Bob Arum knows well how to make big money in every fight he is organizing.

I'm speculating 2 scenarios here:

a) stay away from Arum's shadow after the fight with Yarde so he can demand a unification against Bivol

Or maybe,

b) Arum told Beterbiev that Bivol fight will be next if he beats Yarde

I hope there's a negotiation like that so Beterbiev could have a chance to unify with Bivol and prove to the world that he is the better figher. Retiring undefeated but you still have a lot to prove would result to non satisfaction as a boxer, you only retire undefeated but you are not an accomplished boxer.

[Russlenat]

We love this two fighters, but after the second fight, it seems that Canelo head and ego grow big as he doesn't want to give GGG his trilogy. But finally, it was set already so again, emotions are going to run high between the two fighters as GGG said that he won both fights and then chase Canelo for many years.

Who will resist expected big money in return just to accept the call of everybody to do a trilogy with GGG?

Before the fight with Bivol, it was reported that Canelo reached an agreement to fight Bivol plus two more fights in 2022 in exchange for $160 million.

That was just for 1-year fighting and that was an insane amount already that Canelo will surely bag this year, I think regardless of the result. We just don't how much specifically he will earn with the trilogy. That money figure that Canelo expectedly to receive this year alone, contributes to his status as one of having the highest net worth in sports.

That amount is already huge, more than enough for his retirement.
But he has a long way to go to his retirement phase.
Canelo is favored on this match, so the pressure is real.
He should show us a different Canelo here and have a very worthwhile match.

Yes, that amount is already huge enough to cover his expenses for his along with his beloved family but that money is still not enough and he will still get more because we know that Canelo can still dance will in the ring and he is still at the peak of his prime, that said, $160 Million is just a small amount compared to what he could bag in the coming years.

I'm just curious though, @goinmerry said, that said figure was paid to him in-exchange to fight Bivol and other 2 fights. Who's the 3rd boxer? As we all know, Bivol and GGG were the ones who established the fight this year, so there could be a 3rd fight for Canelo this year after September? I'm curious about that.

Names like David Benavidez, one of the Charlo twins or even Arthur Beterviev's name has been popping up as potential fight for Canelo in the future.

David Benavidez is good for Canelo because he's at supper middle weight and I bet that will be a nice match, but Artur Beterviev? I don't think so. Artur is such a heavy hitter one Canelo would struggle for sure, I'm not seeing Canelo making Artur struggle and surely Canelo wouldn't survive full 12 rounds, IMO. Canelo should give up facing boxers in light-heavyweight as Bivol surely taught him some lessons that Canelo is way beyond his line.

[Baofeng]

^^ He is young and very ambitious, tall and has the advantage on Canelo (reach and height). And he has a good power too, so it's a perfect match for Canelo. But so far he is not on the radar of his team, after GGG maybe they will have to think if they will go for rematch with Bivol. Beterviev is out of the equation for him. There could still be some boxers in 168 lbs that could be safe fight for Canelo. Maybe one try at light heavy weight with Bivol and that's it, regardless of the outcome.

[Sithara007]

^^ He is young and very ambitious, tall and has the advantage on Canelo (reach and height). And he has a good power too, so it's a perfect match for Canelo. But so far he is not on the radar of his team, after GGG maybe they will have to think if they will go for rematch with Bivol. Beterviev is out of the equation for him. There could still be some boxers in 168 lbs that could be safe fight for Canelo. Maybe one try at light heavy weight with Bivol and that's it, regardless of the outcome.

This discussion is a bit premature. First of all, Canelo need to defeat Golovkin during the trilogy fight. Although I believe Canelo has the upper hand as of now, nothing is certain. Golovkin won his last match, while Canelo lost his. And in case he gets defeated once more, then he may not get the opportunity to chose his next opponent. Bivol may get a fight against Joshua Buatsi later this year. I have also heard the names of Gilberto Ramirez and Artur Beterbiev. Canelo turned down the option to fight against Bivol, but he may consider that option sometime next year.

[bisdak40]

^^ He is young and very ambitious, tall and has the advantage on Canelo (reach and height). And he has a good power too, so it's a perfect match for Canelo. But so far he is not on the radar of his team, after GGG maybe they will have to think if they will go for rematch with Bivol. Beterviev is out of the equation for him. There could still be some boxers in 168 lbs that could be safe fight for Canelo. Maybe one try at light heavy weight with Bivol and that's it, regardless of the outcome.

For sure David Benavidez will be considered in the future as a Canelo opponent, maybe after the Bivol rematch because there is not much option out there for Canelo when he beat GGG in September lol.

As early as now, Canelo is already talking of a rematch with Bivol but if the unification fight between Bivol and Beterbiev pushes through then that rematch will take some time to materialize as that fight is what people wanted to see.

[Natalim]

^^ He is young and very ambitious, tall and has the advantage on Canelo (reach and height). And he has a good power too, so it's a perfect match for Canelo. But so far he is not on the radar of his team, after GGG maybe they will have to think if they will go for rematch with Bivol. Beterviev is out of the equation for him. There could still be some boxers in 168 lbs that could be safe fight for Canelo. Maybe one try at light heavy weight with Bivol and that's it, regardless of the outcome.

For sure David Benavidez will be considered in the future as a Canelo opponent, maybe after the Bivol rematch because there is not much option out there for Canelo when he beat GGG in September lol.

As early as now, Canelo is already talking of a rematch with Bivol but if the unification fight between Bivol and Beterbiev pushes through then that rematch will take some time to materialize as that fight is what people wanted to see.

Canelo will only make himself suffer again, he cannot beat Bivol, his style will not work on Bivol as we have seen in their first match. Bivol is willing to give a rematch, but for sure the negotiotion in terms of money will be different in the rematch.

[Kelvinid]

<snip>....but for sure the negotiation in terms of money will be different in the rematch.

Of course, Bivol beat Canelo already in their first fight, and he clearly won the fight, so I don't think he will still accept to be underpaid in the rematch, that would be a big insult on his part. Canelo is a PPV attraction but let's respect the better fighter by not giving him a very low cut.

[bitzizzix]

^^ He is young and very ambitious, tall and has the advantage on Canelo (reach and height). And he has a good power too, so it's a perfect match for Canelo. But so far he is not on the radar of his team, after GGG maybe they will have to think if they will go for rematch with Bivol. Beterviev is out of the equation for him. There could still be some boxers in 168 lbs that could be safe fight for Canelo. Maybe one try at light heavy weight with Bivol and that's it, regardless of the outcome.

For sure David Benavidez will be considered in the future as a Canelo opponent, maybe after the Bivol rematch because there is not much option out there for Canelo when he beat GGG in September lol.

As early as now, Canelo is already talking of a rematch with Bivol but if the unification fight between Bivol and Beterbiev pushes through then that rematch will take some time to materialize as that fight is what people wanted to see.

Canelo will only make himself suffer again, he cannot beat Bivol, his style will not work on Bivol as we have seen in their first match. Bivol is willing to give a rematch, but for sure the negotiotion in terms of money will be different in the rematch.

Of course he would suffer again if a rematch were to happen, Bivol was better than Canelo and he applied his textbook boxing skills, his defense, especially using his elbows to parry and block Canelo's body punches in the first match, and it was amazing.
He reminded me of the great Michael Watson who was the perfect boxer in terms of movement and punch.

[inthelongrun]

Different sources estimates Canelo-Bivol ppv buys at around 500k to 550k. This is very low considering Canelo is the biggest name in boxing. Expectations was around 1 million ppv buys. Maybe because Bivol is a silent type of a fighter, not a knockout artist and he is also not a westerner nor a Latino. So Bivol should be happy with that $5 million purse. Maybe he can ask a little bit more in a rematch.

This is probably the reason why Bob Arum now has the guts to trash talk DAZN and called it 'Dead zone' because it's a dead zone. He already closed his doors on a possible joint ESPN-DAZN telecast for Beterbiev-Smith. Although he might consider the undisputed fight with ESPN as its sole telecast.

Canelo's two fights with GGG both surpassed over a million ppv buys which means a combined income of over two hundred million dollars.



   

[virasisog]

^^ He is young and very ambitious, tall and has the advantage on Canelo (reach and height). And he has a good power too, so it's a perfect match for Canelo. But so far he is not on the radar of his team, after GGG maybe they will have to think if they will go for rematch with Bivol. Beterviev is out of the equation for him. There could still be some boxers in 168 lbs that could be safe fight for Canelo. Maybe one try at light heavy weight with Bivol and that's it, regardless of the outcome.

For sure David Benavidez will be considered in the future as a Canelo opponent, maybe after the Bivol rematch because there is not much option out there for Canelo when he beat GGG in September lol.

As early as now, Canelo is already talking of a rematch with Bivol but if the unification fight between Bivol and Beterbiev pushes through then that rematch will take some time to materialize as that fight is what people wanted to see.

Canelo will only make himself suffer again, he cannot beat Bivol, his style will not work on Bivol as we have seen in their first match. Bivol is willing to give a rematch, but for sure the negotiotion in terms of money will be different in the rematch.

Of course he would suffer again if a rematch were to happen, Bivol was better than Canelo and he applied his textbook boxing skills, his defense, especially using his elbows to parry and block Canelo's body punches in the first match, and it was amazing.
He reminded me of the great Michael Watson who was the perfect boxer in terms of movement and punch.

Canelo will only be victorious against Bivol if he would study the strategies on how to counter Bivol's aggressiveness. Bivol seems too prepared every time he enters the ring and I guess Canelo has to adopt the same spirit. It will be hard for him to will if he will still use his old moves. He has to be more prepared if ever he'll face Bivol again.

[Sithara007]

^^^ Bivol never said that he was unhappy about the $5 million he was allotted from the fight against Canelo (although the loser received 8 times that much money). Bivol was complaining that because of the sanctions he was unable to receive the funds in his bank account. Now there is no quick fix solution to this and I am not sure whether Bivol will ever receive this amount (unless he gives up his Russian passport). Now coming to GGG vs Canelo 3, I am sure that the PPV buys will exceed 1 million this time as well. We can expect another $25 million to $30 million from the ticket sales as well.

[TopT3ns]

<snip>....but for sure the negotiation in terms of money will be different in the rematch.

Of course, Bivol beat Canelo already in their first fight, and he clearly won the fight, so I don't think he will still accept to be underpaid in the rematch, that would be a big insult on his part. Canelo is a PPV attraction but let's respect the better fighter by not giving him a very low cut.

when a boxing match rematches then this makes a lot of people disappointed and it's not very interesting anymore because the result will still be the same but after all bivol gives an opportunity for canelo to try to rematch whether the result is different or the same no one knows. it is likely that the two will negotiate a contract if there is a rematch.