[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 - September 17

[TopTort777]

Honestly, he should just forget about getting in LHW as it's frankly clear that he's nowhere near getting a win against Bivol and his not that heavy hitter in that weight class considering it's not his comfortable weight.

What do you suggest Canelo to do next? Who should he fight? He has clear his weight division in all organizations. He is feeling tight and bored in his middleweight. He could either fight everyone for the second time (most likely not) or go down to other division? That also could be a problem, as Canelo is rather huge, which means he would have to cut a lot to fit in. Cutting weight = low on stamina = no KO power.

[Yaunfitda]

Honestly, he should just forget about getting in LHW as it's frankly clear that he's nowhere near getting a win against Bivol and his not that heavy hitter in that weight class considering it's not his comfortable weight.

What do you suggest Canelo to do next? Who should he fight? He has clear his weight division in all organizations. He is feeling tight and bored in his middleweight. He could either fight everyone for the second time (most likely not) or go down to other division? That also could be a problem, as Canelo is rather huge, which means he would have to cut a lot to fit in. Cutting weight = low on stamina = no KO power.

We talked about Benavidez and maybe Charlo in 168 lbs. That might be a good fight for him, 2 young guys very hungry to get recognize. If only Canelo will give them the chance after fighting Golovkin. He once fought at LHW, an old Kovalev, tall but way past his prime. Canelo has problems with him but he was able to get a knock out. But against a young champion, we've seen his weakness, he has no power, and very slow at 175. And he is just hitting the arms of Bivol, taller than him. And if ever he will face the other champion in Beterviev, it might be another disaster for him.

[wxa7115]

F***ing Bob Arum made a deal already for lineal champion Artur Beterbiev to defend his 3 belts in England against Anthony Yarde. Right after the fight, Beterbiev clearly said he wanted to unify the 4 belts in order to become undisputed. Beterbiev is already 37, time is his enemy. He needs to fight the last remaining belt holder Dmity Bivol. Canelo Alvarez a guy who always wanted to challenge himself will surely try again if that fight is for the undisputed belts. In this 4 belt era, there was never been a 2 division undisputed champion. Canelo might become the first one.       

We will have to wait and see, Canelo may like to test himself again but truth to be told he did not looked right on his fight with Bivol, he seemed to be very heavy and he could not deal with the additional weight, he lost punching power and Bivol had no problem dealing with him.

However before we think about those things Canelo needs to beat GGG in a convincing way, otherwise the rumors about the previous fights being rigged will never disappear.

[Maslate]

F***ing Bob Arum made a deal already for lineal champion Artur Beterbiev to defend his 3 belts in England against Anthony Yarde. Right after the fight, Beterbiev clearly said he wanted to unify the 4 belts in order to become undisputed. Beterbiev is already 37, time is his enemy. He needs to fight the last remaining belt holder Dmity Bivol. Canelo Alvarez a guy who always wanted to challenge himself will surely try again if that fight is for the undisputed belts. In this 4 belt era, there was never been a 2 division undisputed champion. Canelo might become the first one.       

We will have to wait and see, Canelo may like to test himself again but truth to be told he did not looked right on his fight with Bivol, he seemed to be very heavy and he could not deal with the additional weight, he lost punching power and Bivol had no problem dealing with him.

However before we think about those things Canelo needs to beat GGG in a convincing way, otherwise the rumors about the previous fights being rigged will never disappear.

He already reached his limitation, he cannot challenge Bivol again, or other champions in a higher division, he just has to stay in a division where he reigns before he will retire, and winning this fight against GGG would be a good comeback from a bad defeat against Bivol.

[mirakal]

Honestly, he should just forget about getting in LHW as it's frankly clear that he's nowhere near getting a win against Bivol and his not that heavy hitter in that weight class considering it's not his comfortable weight.

What do you suggest Canelo to do next? Who should he fight? He has clear his weight division in all organizations. He is feeling tight and bored in his middleweight. He could either fight everyone for the second time (most likely not) or go down to other division? That also could be a problem, as Canelo is rather huge, which means he would have to cut a lot to fit in. Cutting weight = low on stamina = no KO power.

He might be bored enough because he has done some clean-up in his own division, so it's only natural for him to climb back and forth in-between divisions. But now that he has learned a lesson not to mess in the LHW so that might be his sign that LHW is not for him, well, he managed to defeat one boxer in that division so his record in that division is tied to 1-1 but he can't deny that his name was really scathed after he got defeated by Bivol.

After GGG, I think he should go against Jermall Charlo in the middleweight division.

[goinmerry]

He might be bored enough because he has done some clean-up in his own division, so it's only natural for him to climb back and forth in-between divisions. But now that he has learned a lesson not to mess in the LHW so that might be his sign that LHW is not for him, well, he managed to defeat one boxer in that division so his record in that division is tied to 1-1 but he can't deny that his name was really scathed after he got defeated by Bivol.

After GGG, I think he should go against Jermall Charlo in the middleweight division.

You might be right but taking another shot against Dmitry Bivol is a good option. If he fails again then stop pursuing dominance at much upper weight class. After taking GGG, he can do some preparations again to snatch a title first as Bivol won't just be interested in a rematch if it's not a title match.

Why Canelo should just give up? That failed first of him after dominating his comfort zone should not be a sign right away that he's nothing in the upper weight class. Let him realize if he really can't match those guys at the top by doing several attempts.

But before we discussed his future fight, settle the business first against GGG. If he loses here, even the likes of Charlo won't be interested in him.

[Baofeng]

F***ing Bob Arum made a deal already for lineal champion Artur Beterbiev to defend his 3 belts in England against Anthony Yarde. Right after the fight, Beterbiev clearly said he wanted to unify the 4 belts in order to become undisputed. Beterbiev is already 37, time is his enemy. He needs to fight the last remaining belt holder Dmity Bivol. Canelo Alvarez a guy who always wanted to challenge himself will surely try again if that fight is for the undisputed belts. In this 4 belt era, there was never been a 2 division undisputed champion. Canelo might become the first one.      

We will have to wait and see, Canelo may like to test himself again but truth to be told he did not looked right on his fight with Bivol, he seemed to be very heavy and he could not deal with the additional weight, he lost punching power and Bivol had no problem dealing with him.

Slow, sluggish, and no punching power. That's what we have seen in Canelo at 175 lbs. So obviously, he can't take that extra weight and at his height, maybe that is too much. while Bivol is a natural LHW and then tall and moves a lot.

However before we think about those things Canelo needs to beat GGG in a convincing way, otherwise the rumors about the previous fights being rigged will never disappear.

I don't know how convincing this fight will be in either of them. But still going to be close and it could still go on the judges scoring this fight.

Kick-off press conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxbth78RIw

[robelneo]

Wow have you seen their staredown there's no love lost between the two of them, I guess they missed each other, this staredown so they say is worth watching its four years in the making.

Go check it out here

Canelo - Golovkin Staredown

[agustina2]

He already reached his limitation, he cannot challenge Bivol again, or other champions in a higher division, he just has to stay in a division where he reigns before he will retire, and winning this fight against GGG would be a good comeback from a bad defeat against Bivol.

One loss and already reached his limitation? He can come back again. He just needs to be fully prepared physically and mentally. I think he is too confident that's why he was being surprised by Bivol. Now that he knows how fighting Bivol is, he can ask for a rematch later in the future. But it's not simple as Bivol is chasing titles. Canelo should bring a title of his own first before he can face Bivol again. Bivol is fighting for titles and not to destroy popular names.

Winning against GGG is not a considered comeback too. GGG is old enough. Not any impact if Canelo wins here.

[Kemarit]

Wow have you seen their staredown there's no love lost between the two of them, I guess they missed each other, this staredown so they say is worth watching its four years in the making.

Go check it out here

Canelo - Golovkin Staredown

Yeah, and Canelo try to charge but GGG is ready, but you can see thet Canelo blink on that staredown. But yeah, there is no love lost between the two, they both admitted that they are rivals so we will see.

I love for GGG to win this though, yeah I know he is old and this is Canelo's weight class. But giving Canelo his 2 straight lost? that will be devastating for Alvarez and his legacy and may request a fourth fight. 

[Dave1]

Wow have you seen their staredown there's no love lost between the two of them, I guess they missed each other, this staredown so they say is worth watching its four years in the making.

Go check it out here

Canelo - Golovkin Staredown

Yeah, and Canelo try to charge but GGG is ready, but you can see thet Canelo blink on that staredown. But yeah, there is no love lost between the two, they both admitted that they are rivals so we will see.

I love for GGG to win this though, yeah I know he is old and this is Canelo's weight class. But giving Canelo his 2 straight lost? that will be devastating for Alvarez and his legacy and may request a fourth fight. 

Of course, there are still fans of GGG here and want to see him get his revenge before we think that the first fight should be a W for him.

Hist light fight against Murata, he still have that output, I think in order for him to win, he needs to be a volume puncher, just like what Bivol did to Canelo in their fight. He didn't settle, he keeps Canelo at bay with his volume. So that is interesting numbers to see if ever Canelo win or lose, his output and the power punches he is gong to throw.

[Smack That Ace]

Wow have you seen their staredown there's no love lost between the two of them, I guess they missed each other, this staredown so they say is worth watching its four years in the making.
Go check it out here
Canelo - Golovkin Staredown

The Staredown looks really intense. I think we have been waiting for this for about 4 years right now.
So, it was really worth it after all this time. The fight is also going to be a really good one. I am really expecting a knockout result in this match.
The intense look on their face tells me that a knockout is coming ,

He already reached his limitation, he cannot challenge Bivol again, or other champions in a higher division, he just has to stay in a division where he reigns before he will retire, and winning this fight against GGG would be a good comeback from a bad defeat against Bivol.

One loss and already reached his limitation? He can come back again. He just needs to be fully prepared physically and mentally. I think he is too confident that's why he was being surprised by Bivol. Now that he knows how fighting Bivol is, he can ask for a rematch later in the future. But it's not simple as Bivol is chasing titles. Canelo should bring a title of his own first before he can face Bivol again. Bivol is fighting for titles and not to destroy popular names.
Winning against GGG is not a considered comeback too. GGG is old enough. Not any impact if Canelo wins here.

But a win is a win, right? Imagine what if he loses!
A lot of people are going to talk about it and his career is also going to be greatly affected by that. It has been a big problem since the early time.
We have an event since the Great Muhammad Ali era. We all know how he lost to an inferior opponent just because he underestimated his opponent. So, I think this is going to be a good fight.

[Sithara007]

Of course, there are still fans of GGG here and want to see him get his revenge before we think that the first fight should be a W for him.

Hist light fight against Murata, he still have that output, I think in order for him to win, he needs to be a volume puncher, just like what Bivol did to Canelo in their fight. He didn't settle, he keeps Canelo at bay with his volume. So that is interesting numbers to see if ever Canelo win or lose, his output and the power punches he is gong to throw.

Bivol is a decade younger when compared to Golovkin and he had the advantage of being virtually unknown before his fight with Canelo. One thing that I have noticed about Canelo is that he performs better in the initial rounds, when compared to the latter ones. I am not saying that he gets tired towards the end, but he somehow underperforms from round 7 onwards. Noticed this against both Bivol and Golovkin (previous fights). The reason maybe a loss of focus as the match progresses. I checked the scorecards from his previous fights and I could see the same pattern in most of them.

Many people support Trilogy and they think Trilogy will win coz they are strong players and they have winning record for many times. They have a lot fans and A lot of bets are being made for them in many places. And if I bet for boxing then I will definitely bet for Trilogy. I am also fan of them and i support them too much.

Can someone translate this post to English for me?

[Smack That Ace]

Many people support Trilogy and they think Trilogy will win coz they are strong players and they have winning record for many times. They have a lot fans and A lot of bets are being made for them in many places. And if I bet for boxing then I will definitely bet for Trilogy. I am also fan of them and i support them too much.

Can someone translate this post to English for me?

Lol...  

By saying Trilogy, He actually meant "Gennadiy Gennadyevich Golovkin", Triple G .

Yes, I also like his fight, but I will place my bet some days later. I have to see some past matches closely after that I will decide whom I selected.

[bbc.reporter]

I have not read much of the discussions of this thread and this is my first reply. Forgive me if this question has been asked before, however, does anyone speculate that Canelo might be accepting this fight very early after his loss vs. Bivol? GGG should not be very underestimated for this because it also appears that Bivol gave him the tactic to defeat Canelo. GGG also does not look like an old man in the ring with the wins after the loss to Canelo hehe.

Even prior to the Bivol fight, Canelo has already agreed to fight GGG anyway. And it just so happen that he lost to Bivol. But as I have said, this is already made so Canelo can't back up. I don't think it's early though. I mean this fight should have been made years go after the second fight. But Canelo didn't want to and he was like waiting for GGG to reach 40. Although GGG looks sharp against Murata. The blue print is already there, it's that Canelo's opponent seems to be mystified when they face him. Bivol didn't and uses all his physical advantages to beat Canelo. I don't think that GGG has any advantage though.

However, they were planning the trilogy vs. GGG having the assumption that Canelo would win against Bivol. Also having the assumption that Canelo will be having full of confidence. I am not very sure how Canelo feels today but there were pictures of him in a casino gambling and drunk after the loss. I speculate his mind might not be there 100% for this trilogy. Canelo will win, however, it might not be very easy as everyone expects.

[Baofeng]

I have not read much of the discussions of this thread and this is my first reply. Forgive me if this question has been asked before, however, does anyone speculate that Canelo might be accepting this fight very early after his loss vs. Bivol? GGG should not be very underestimated for this because it also appears that Bivol gave him the tactic to defeat Canelo. GGG also does not look like an old man in the ring with the wins after the loss to Canelo hehe.

Even prior to the Bivol fight, Canelo has already agreed to fight GGG anyway. And it just so happen that he lost to Bivol. But as I have said, this is already made so Canelo can't back up. I don't think it's early though. I mean this fight should have been made years go after the second fight. But Canelo didn't want to and he was like waiting for GGG to reach 40. Although GGG looks sharp against Murata. The blue print is already there, it's that Canelo's opponent seems to be mystified when they face him. Bivol didn't and uses all his physical advantages to beat Canelo. I don't think that GGG has any advantage though.

However, they were planning the trilogy vs. GGG having the assumption that Canelo would win against Bivol. Also having the assumption that Canelo will be having full of confidence. I am not very sure how Canelo feels today but there were pictures of him in a casino gambling and drunk after the loss. I speculate his mind might not be there 100% for this trilogy. Canelo will win, however, it might not be very easy as everyone expects.

Probably Canelo just wanted to have some fun and get out the lost out of his mind, but I don't think he is a gambler per se. But I do agree that they assumed that Canelo will win against Bivol, even Bivol says sorry for derailing all the plans. But after Canelo's lost, the fight with GGG will continue and I think Canelo is focused on this as we can see on the press conference video. Both seems to be very confident though. But I'm not going to bet this early, I will wait till the weigh-in.

[Maslate]

He already reached his limitation, he cannot challenge Bivol again, or other champions in a higher division, he just has to stay in a division where he reigns before he will retire, and winning this fight against GGG would be a good comeback from a bad defeat against Bivol.

One loss and already reached his limitation? He can come back again. He just needs to be fully prepared physically and mentally. I think he is too confident that's why he was being surprised by Bivol. Now that he knows how fighting Bivol is, he can ask for a rematch later in the future. But it's not simple as Bivol is chasing titles. Canelo should bring a title of his own first before he can face Bivol again. Bivol is fighting for titles and not to destroy popular names.

Winning against GGG is not a considered comeback too. GGG is old enough. Not any impact if Canelo wins here.

If he really want to beat Bivol, then he should choose the rematch than the trilogy with GGG. I think Canelo already realized that he cannot beat Bivol and I don't think he wasn't prepared in that fight, knowing him, he is a great fighter, it's just that he cannot break his power and speed in the heavier weight division.

[Jawhead999]

The intense look on their face tells me that a knockout is coming ,

I like the way GGG is smiling to Canelo even Canelo is so serious during the staredown, this looks like GGG is already prepared anything and not afraid fighting with Canelo for the third times. It's funny how GGG switch from thumb up hand poses to boxer poses, he probably forgot this is boxing event lol. Not really sure why Canelo look so serious to GGG, perhaps this is because he lose against Bivol.

Many people support Trilogy and they think Trilogy will win coz they are strong players and they have winning record for many times. They have a lot fans and A lot of bets are being made for them in many places. And if I bet for boxing then I will definitely bet for Trilogy. I am also fan of them and i support them too much.

Can someone translate this post to English for me?

It's easy to understand, this is a special boxing fight where 3 persons fight with each other on a single ring, the first boxer is Canelo, the second is GGG, and the third is Trilogy

[Sithara007]

I like the way GGG is smiling to Canelo even Canelo is so serious during the staredown, this looks like GGG is already prepared anything and not afraid fighting with Canelo for the third times. It's funny how GGG switch from thumb up hand poses to boxer poses, he probably forgot this is boxing event lol. Not really sure why Canelo look so serious to GGG, perhaps this is because he lose against Bivol.

LOL.. the picture just tells us who will be in a lot of pressure and who will be the one in a relaxed mood. A lot of expectation on Canelo and a lot of people are arguing that he refused the trilogy fight previously because he was afraid of GGG. The biased scorecard adds further to the controversy. Betting odds are also heavily favoring Canelo. A loss to Golovkin will be disastrous not just for his career, but for his finances as well. On the other hand, Golovkin is smiling because he is earning tens of millions of USD, when he is quite close to retirement. He has nothing to lose.

[Sanitough]

I like the way GGG is smiling to Canelo even Canelo is so serious during the staredown, this looks like GGG is already prepared anything and not afraid fighting with Canelo for the third times. It's funny how GGG switch from thumb up hand poses to boxer poses, he probably forgot this is boxing event lol. Not really sure why Canelo look so serious to GGG, perhaps this is because he lose against Bivol.

LOL.. the picture just tells us who will be in a lot of pressure and who will be the one in a relaxed mood. A lot of expectation on Canelo and a lot of people are arguing that he refused the trilogy fight previously because he was afraid of GGG. The biased scorecard adds further to the controversy. Betting odds are also heavily favoring Canelo. A loss to Golovkin will be disastrous not just for his career, but for his finances as well. On the other hand, Golovkin is smiling because he is earning tens of millions of USD, when he is quite close to retirement. He has nothing to lose.

I like how GGG is so cool, it doesn't change anything though because the real battle is in the ring. What we have to expect is that both fighters will give us a good fight and a clean fight because they respected each other. I hope Canelo will not underestimate GGG as he might experience his two straight loss if he will get too complacent.