[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 - September 17

[stadus]

I do think people are starting to realise that Cancelo isn't this unstoppable force now. Everyone talks about how his power is the best in the business, but I've never really seen it honestly. I've seen some decent amount of tactical thinking from him, but that's been when he has been losing the fight, which is great. However, his power is only slightly above average I'd say in his division. If like you say, he moves up he doesn't keep that power to weight ratio, he seems to lose a bit of it.

That's the thing, he was an undisputed champion in his division before and we didn't notice his power because he is not a strong starter, he is only a good finisher but sometimes his opponent can survive even if they lose the fight. With this fight against GGG, he has not hurt GGG yet but he won the last fight, so let's see if they can really hurt GGG and maybe KO him which IMO unlikely to happen.

Well his fight with GGG is full of controversy, this controversy outshines Canelo's achievement because he shouldn't be undisputed without the help of ringside judges.  Take for example his first fight with GGG which is so obvious that GGG should have won the fight but instead,  the two judges favor Canelo by giving a draw and an unbelievable score of 118 - 110 in favor of Canelo.

I don't even know where he got that much connection to make the judges favor him because GGG was also a superstar in the division compared to Canelo that time. Is from his promoter? We don't know but that unjust scores robbed GGG because the fight was ended a draw just like what you said and then there's this rematch that is also a controversial fight because the judges again made some magic touch to stretch Canelo's scores.

That time, Canelo already know that couldn't risk his record for an early trilogy because their first two fights was already controversial and he knows that there will be much more eyes that will watch the fight that's why he chose to defend his belt against Fielding rather than giving Golovkin a tirlogy.

[Japinat]

Yeah, I'm also curious why Canelo looks slower than Bivol while most of Canelo's fights we're saw Canelo is very fast with his head movement. IMO 7 pounds aren't that huge, but we're seeing it's otherwise. I think it's because the boxers in light heavyweight division are greater than the boxers in super middleweight division at the current era. But Canelo would need to face Bivol again in the near future since no one can compete Canelo beside GGG in his current division.

It's just that Dmitry Bivol was able to limit Canelo's supposed potential. With how Bivol is able to corner Canelo most of the time, the latter becomes irritable and that leads him to destroy his own will to focus on the fight. Bivol successfully landed lots of punches making Canelo a punching bag. Because of that, Canelo feels disappointed and the result is, he feels he can't able to match Bivol's strategy.

Why you are curious that Canelo looks slower in that fight, remember that Bivol is not even fast. But with the right strategy by him, he was able to beat the heavy favorite which is Canelo, and him being the underdog wins the fight.

I quite remember that almost nobody, including me, thought that Bivol can really defeat and upset Canelo who is the heavy favorite at that time because we know that Canelo has already defeated one boxer in light-heavy. We also made some speculations that Bivol is kind of unfocused because his family was left in Russia when the war broke out. But Bivol proved to us that he can still successfully defend his belt given the situation he's on.

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Yeah, I'm also curious why Canelo looks slower than Bivol while most of Canelo's fights we're saw Canelo is very fast with his head movement. IMO 7 pounds aren't that huge, but we're seeing it's otherwise. I think it's because the boxers in light heavyweight division are greater than the boxers in super middleweight division at the current era. But Canelo would need to face Bivol again in the near future since no one can compete Canelo beside GGG in his current division.

It's just that Dmitry Bivol was able to limit Canelo's supposed potential. With how Bivol is able to corner Canelo most of the time, the latter becomes irritable and that leads him to destroy his own will to focus on the fight. Bivol successfully landed lots of punches making Canelo a punching bag. Because of that, Canelo feels disappointed and the result is, he feels he can't able to match Bivol's strategy.

Why you are curious that Canelo looks slower in that fight, remember that Bivol is not even fast. But with the right strategy by him, he was able to beat the heavy favorite which is Canelo, and him being the underdog wins the fight.

I quite remember that almost nobody, including me, thought that Bivol can really defeat and upset Canelo who is the heavy favorite at that time because we know that Canelo has already defeated one boxer in light-heavy. We also made some speculations that Bivol is kind of unfocused because his family was left in Russia when the war broke out. But Bivol proved to us that he can still successfully defend his belt given the situation he's on.

And Canelo is unstoppable at that point, he clean up the super MW division very easy, almost knocking down all the champions. That's how great Canelo is prior to Bivol fight. And then he moves up, and I will admit that I haven't follow the light-heavy but have heard Bivol and Beterviev's name as they are the champion in that division.

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Yes, but he need to defeat his opponent right now in GGG and close their story. And then perhaps he will challenge Bivol at light-heavy again to avenge his defeat.

[Pamadar]

I quite remember that almost nobody, including me, thought that Bivol can really defeat and upset Canelo who is the heavy favorite at that time because we know that Canelo has already defeated one boxer in light-heavy. We also made some speculations that Bivol is kind of unfocused because his family was left in Russia when the war broke out. But Bivol proved to us that he can still successfully defend his belt given the situation he's on.

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Very possible, he (Canelo) will collect his paycheck first from this division after facing GGG,

He already understands that fame will be followed by lots of money. He will be using his fame now just like the way
Mayweather did before retiring.

My point is Canelo and his camp will explore again after this fight and like how you predicting things, I agree that sooner
or later, he might be asking for a rematch against Bivol.

[Japinat]

Yeah, I'm also curious why Canelo looks slower than Bivol while most of Canelo's fights we're saw Canelo is very fast with his head movement. IMO 7 pounds aren't that huge, but we're seeing it's otherwise. I think it's because the boxers in light heavyweight division are greater than the boxers in super middleweight division at the current era. But Canelo would need to face Bivol again in the near future since no one can compete Canelo beside GGG in his current division.

It's just that Dmitry Bivol was able to limit Canelo's supposed potential. With how Bivol is able to corner Canelo most of the time, the latter becomes irritable and that leads him to destroy his own will to focus on the fight. Bivol successfully landed lots of punches making Canelo a punching bag. Because of that, Canelo feels disappointed and the result is, he feels he can't able to match Bivol's strategy.

Why you are curious that Canelo looks slower in that fight, remember that Bivol is not even fast. But with the right strategy by him, he was able to beat the heavy favorite which is Canelo, and him being the underdog wins the fight.

I quite remember that almost nobody, including me, thought that Bivol can really defeat and upset Canelo who is the heavy favorite at that time because we know that Canelo has already defeated one boxer in light-heavy. We also made some speculations that Bivol is kind of unfocused because his family was left in Russia when the war broke out. But Bivol proved to us that he can still successfully defend his belt given the situation he's on.

And Canelo is unstoppable at that point, he clean up the super MW division very easy, almost knocking down all the champions. That's how great Canelo is prior to Bivol fight. And then he moves up, and I will admit that I haven't follow the light-heavy but have heard Bivol and Beterviev's name as they are the champion in that division.

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Yes, but he need to defeat his opponent right now in GGG and close their story. And then perhaps he will challenge Bivol at light-heavy again to avenge his defeat.

Indeed! Canelo was kind of heavy to defeat or upset at that point that's why it's really hard for almost all of us to look forward in Bivol's favor and even Canelo didn't expected that to happen, we saw how upset and irritated he was.

Well, he first fought Sergey Kovalev in LHW and collect the WBO title after he defeated Kovalev by way of KO before it reached to round 12 but decided to vacate the title afterwards because Canelo decided to move down in weight to chase the undisputed title in SMW.

Now, Canelo should just forget in the meantime that he lost to Bivol in upper weight to focus as he needed to close his chapter against Golovkin for the 3rd time because Golovkin is not an easy opponent even if he is already aging in 40's.

[AmoreJaz]

I quite remember that almost nobody, including me, thought that Bivol can really defeat and upset Canelo who is the heavy favorite at that time because we know that Canelo has already defeated one boxer in light-heavy. We also made some speculations that Bivol is kind of unfocused because his family was left in Russia when the war broke out. But Bivol proved to us that he can still successfully defend his belt given the situation he's on.

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Very possible, he (Canelo) will collect his paycheck first from this division after facing GGG,

He already understands that fame will be followed by lots of money. He will be using his fame now just like the way
Mayweather did before retiring.

My point is Canelo and his camp will explore again after this fight and like how you predicting things, I agree that sooner
or later, he might be asking for a rematch against Bivol.

but for now, i want to see how will canelo perform opposite GGG. if in case he will lose from this fight, it is not the end of his boxing career. he may really ask for the re-match with bivol. as he already knew the power of bivol, he should know how to prepare for this fight to redeem himself, if he can really defeat bivol this time around. anyway, am looking forward for canelo and GGG's match. canelo is still the favourite here though.

[Ziskinberg]

Yeah, I'm also curious why Canelo looks slower than Bivol while most of Canelo's fights we're saw Canelo is very fast with his head movement. IMO 7 pounds aren't that huge, but we're seeing it's otherwise. I think it's because the boxers in light heavyweight division are greater than the boxers in super middleweight division at the current era. But Canelo would need to face Bivol again in the near future since no one can compete Canelo beside GGG in his current division.

It's just that Dmitry Bivol was able to limit Canelo's supposed potential. With how Bivol is able to corner Canelo most of the time, the latter becomes irritable and that leads him to destroy his own will to focus on the fight. Bivol successfully landed lots of punches making Canelo a punching bag. Because of that, Canelo feels disappointed and the result is, he feels he can't able to match Bivol's strategy.

Why you are curious that Canelo looks slower in that fight, remember that Bivol is not even fast. But with the right strategy by him, he was able to beat the heavy favorite which is Canelo, and him being the underdog wins the fight.

I quite remember that almost nobody, including me, thought that Bivol can really defeat and upset Canelo who is the heavy favorite at that time because we know that Canelo has already defeated one boxer in light-heavy. We also made some speculations that Bivol is kind of unfocused because his family was left in Russia when the war broke out. But Bivol proved to us that he can still successfully defend his belt given the situation he's on.

And Canelo is unstoppable at that point, he clean up the super MW division very easy, almost knocking down all the champions. That's how great Canelo is prior to Bivol fight. And then he moves up, and I will admit that I haven't follow the light-heavy but have heard Bivol and Beterviev's name as they are the champion in that division.

Who could've thought that something like that would happen to Canelo who is also seating at the height of his prime years, but yes, upsets are always possible in every fight even if you are the heavy favorite. For Canelo's case at that time, Bivol outsmarted him and fought well because the latter used every advantage he got over Canelo who is just there to take his belt.

...and I will admit that I haven't follow the light-heavy but have heard Bivol and Beterviev's name as they are the champion in that division.

Yes, Bivol has the WBA belt while Beterbiev has the rest and if an undisputed fight will happen in that weight class, for sure it will be really exciting and fun to see because these two boxers are really good, especially the latter who has a flawless 18-0 record and by the way, he won that 18 by way of KO/TKO.

[Baofeng]

And Canelo firing at all cylinder:

“But there are some other questions about how he did that and what he used. I did not say something just because I just came up with it. There are lab results. The doctor said that there were the results of water testing. And when asked, I said, ‘Yes, I believe that he cheated.’ And if somebody in his team didn’t like my words, I believe it’s their problem.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-canelos-achieved-lot-there-questions-on-how-he-what-he--168354

I think this esteemed from Canelo being tested positive banned substance clenbuterol on 2 occasions. But he blamed it to the tainted meat he consumed in Mexico. This is prior to their first fight in May 2018.

Although a lot of Mexican boxers have been tested positive as well with Clen due to meat consumption as well.

[harizen]

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Yes, Bivol and Canelo might face in the rematch. However, Bivol makes it clear that if that's not a title match, he will ignore Canelo.

Bivol's next target is another title and probably against Beterviev.

Canelo really needs tons of improvement to challenge these champions.

[TravelMug]

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Yes, Bivol and Canelo might face in the rematch. However, Bivol makes it clear that if that's not a title match, he will ignore Canelo.

Bivol's next target is another title and probably against Beterviev.

Canelo really needs tons of improvement to challenge these champions.

I want Canelo to test Beterviev next, that will be a great fight if ever he wins against GGG here. But it looks like he wanted to avenge his defeat to Bivol but let's see.

This fight is just a month away, for sure either GGG or Canelo will go to the public more for an interview to hype the fight. Let's see what's Canelo response with regards to GGG insinuation that he uses PED during their first fight.

[Sithara007]

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-canelos-achieved-lot-there-questions-on-how-he-what-he--168354

I think this esteemed from Canelo being tested positive banned substance clenbuterol on 2 occasions. But he blamed it to the tainted meat he consumed in Mexico. This is prior to their first fight in May 2018.

Although a lot of Mexican boxers have been tested positive as well with Clen due to meat consumption as well.

Well.. you need to admit that in the world of sports, there are two set of rules. One rule for the Americans, and another one for the non-Americans. If Golovkin had tested positive for Clenbuterol, then he will be banned for life, with no questions asked and no possibility for appeal. In case of Canelo, since he is an American he managed to get away. And this happens very regularly. Remember Maria Sharapova getting banned for Meldonium, while Simone Biles was let off despite her positive test for Methylphenidate claiming that she used that drug as ADHD medication? 

[Oasisman]

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Yes, Bivol and Canelo might face in the rematch. However, Bivol makes it clear that if that's not a title match, he will ignore Canelo.

Bivol's next target is another title and probably against Beterviev.

Canelo really needs tons of improvement to challenge these champions.

Well, there's a rumor that it might happen in May next year 2023 as team Canelo is eager to avenge his recent loss to Bivol. While team Bivol is already working to make the rematch happen in the said date. Rumors said Bivol would want this to happen as well as it will generate more money since the boxing fans loves to see redemption matches.
Let's see what happens next year.

[Pamadar]

I quite remember that almost nobody, including me, thought that Bivol can really defeat and upset Canelo who is the heavy favorite at that time because we know that Canelo has already defeated one boxer in light-heavy. We also made some speculations that Bivol is kind of unfocused because his family was left in Russia when the war broke out. But Bivol proved to us that he can still successfully defend his belt given the situation he's on.

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Very possible, he (Canelo) will collect his paycheck first from this division after facing GGG,

He already understands that fame will be followed by lots of money. He will be using his fame now just like the way
Mayweather did before retiring.

My point is Canelo and his camp will explore again after this fight and like how you predicting things, I agree that sooner
or later, he might be asking for a rematch against Bivol.

but for now, i want to see how will canelo perform opposite GGG. if in case he will lose from this fight, it is not the end of his boxing career. he may really ask for the re-match with bivol. as he already knew the power of bivol, he should know how to prepare for this fight to redeem himself, if he can really defeat bivol this time around. anyway, am looking forward for canelo and GGG's match. canelo is still the favourite here though.

Indeed, he is still the favorite as ore fans believes that Canelo can still beat GGG.

Bookies still favoring Canelo as they used in each fight that he has ever since he beat GGG, it's a good preparation
to bring the hype back and redeem himself after that defeat by Bivol.

He can use moving back to that same division and call for the rematch or he can explore for other options that he has
while he is still young and in his prime age.

[TopTort777]

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-canelos-achieved-lot-there-questions-on-how-he-what-he--168354

I think this esteemed from Canelo being tested positive banned substance clenbuterol on 2 occasions. But he blamed it to the tainted meat he consumed in Mexico. This is prior to their first fight in May 2018.

Although a lot of Mexican boxers have been tested positive as well with Clen due to meat consumption as well.

Well.. you need to admit that in the world of sports, there are two set of rules. One rule for the Americans, and another one for the non-Americans. If Golovkin had tested positive for Clenbuterol, then he will be banned for life, with no questions asked and no possibility for appeal. In case of Canelo, since he is an American he managed to get away. And this happens very regularly. Remember Maria Sharapova getting banned for Meldonium, while Simone Biles was let off despite her positive test for Methylphenidate claiming that she used that drug as ADHD medication? 

Of course no one would ban Canelo, even if he inject himself during weigh-ins, because he is a milking cow of boxing. Of course Canelo is taking some "extra medicine". Look at his body during his first fight against GGG, and against Plant. Skinny vs tiny bull, but the guy is in same weight class and those few lbs difference cant change body so much. Anyway, even if Canelo would be caught with something in him, GGG would still give him a good fight and competition.

[Yaunfitda]

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-canelos-achieved-lot-there-questions-on-how-he-what-he--168354

I think this esteemed from Canelo being tested positive banned substance clenbuterol on 2 occasions. But he blamed it to the tainted meat he consumed in Mexico. This is prior to their first fight in May 2018.

Although a lot of Mexican boxers have been tested positive as well with Clen due to meat consumption as well.

Well.. you need to admit that in the world of sports, there are two set of rules. One rule for the Americans, and another one for the non-Americans. If Golovkin had tested positive for Clenbuterol, then he will be banned for life, with no questions asked and no possibility for appeal. In case of Canelo, since he is an American he managed to get away. And this happens very regularly. Remember Maria Sharapova getting banned for Meldonium, while Simone Biles was let off despite her positive test for Methylphenidate claiming that she used that drug as ADHD medication? 

Of course no one would ban Canelo, even if he inject himself during weigh-ins, because he is a milking cow of boxing. Of course Canelo is taking some "extra medicine". Look at his body during his first fight against GGG, and against Plant. Skinny vs tiny bull, but the guy is in same weight class and those few lbs difference cant change body so much. Anyway, even if Canelo would be caught with something in him, GGG would still give him a good fight and competition.

Yep, that's true, he is the cash cow and you can see that he gets almost all the favor, even in the fight against Bivol. We saw it clearly that he was dominated and yet the judges want it to be close as possible and so it doesn't reflect the real sore.

Anyhow, steroids or not, GGG should beat him in this trilogy, erases the ghost of that those fight and give Canelo his second defeat in succession and bring him back to where he belongs.

[Sithara007]

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Anyhow, steroids or not, GGG should beat him in this trilogy, erases the ghost of that those fight and give Canelo his second defeat in succession and bring him back to where he belongs.

Well.. even I want Golovkin to beat Canelo. But how realistic is it? This is not 2017, when Golovkin clearly had an upper hand in his fight (Canelo still managed to steal the fight thanks to Adelaide Byrd). 5 years have passed and Golovkin is now nearing his retirement. At this point, I am not expecting much. Still I would say that odds (>4.00) are clearly underestimating Golovkin. I will be placing a bet in favor of Golovkin, but at the same time I would admit that Canelo is clearly having an upper hand in this fight.

[btc_angela]

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Yes, Bivol and Canelo might face in the rematch. However, Bivol makes it clear that if that's not a title match, he will ignore Canelo.

Bivol's next target is another title and probably against Beterviev.

Canelo really needs tons of improvement to challenge these champions.

I want Canelo to test Beterviev next, that will be a great fight if ever he wins against GGG here. But it looks like he wanted to avenge his defeat to Bivol but let's see.

This fight is just a month away, for sure either GGG or Canelo will go to the public more for an interview to hype the fight. Let's see what's Canelo response with regards to GGG insinuation that he uses PED during their first fight.

He had a hard time against Bivol already, and I read that Beterviev is far more superior than Bivol. So in that case maybe Canelo against Beterviev might be the same outcome, Canelo will lose against the natural lightweight, so it's better to stay away from Beterviev and test himself if he can get a rematch with Bivol and win.

And if I remember correctly, everytime GGG pointed out the tainted meat issue and how Canelo just got a slap on the wrist for being positive, GGG is somewhat mad and fuming about that topic.

[Jawhead999]

He had a hard time against Bivol already, and I read that Beterviev is far more superior than Bivol. So in that case maybe Canelo against Beterviev might be the same outcome, Canelo will lose against the natural lightweight, so it's better to stay away from Beterviev and test himself if he can get a rematch with Bivol and win.

And if I remember correctly, everytime GGG pointed out the tainted meat issue and how Canelo just got a slap on the wrist for being positive, GGG is somewhat mad and fuming about that topic.

Yep Beterbiev have 100% KO rate, it's an insane achievement moreover he fight against a good boxers, not the cherry picked one. Since there's only 2 champions on light heavyweight, that's why many people wanted to see Beterbiev vs Bivol, but it seems we will see a rematch Bivol vs Canelo first.

Anyway the fight between Canelo vs GGG will happen on the next month and I don't see the odds are changed to favor on GGG, actually GGG is more and more become an underdog.

[Kelvinid]

He had a hard time against Bivol already, and I read that Beterviev is far more superior than Bivol. So in that case maybe Canelo against Beterviev might be the same outcome, Canelo will lose against the natural lightweight, so it's better to stay away from Beterviev and test himself if he can get a rematch with Bivol and win.

And if I remember correctly, everytime GGG pointed out the tainted meat issue and how Canelo just got a slap on the wrist for being positive, GGG is somewhat mad and fuming about that topic.

Yep Beterbiev have 100% KO rate, it's an insane achievement moreover he fight against a good boxers, not the cherry picked one. Since there's only 2 champions on light heavyweight, that's why many people wanted to see Beterbiev vs Bivol, but it seems we will see a rematch Bivol vs Canelo first.

That's because Canelo vs Bivol will generate more money and for the promoter of both boxers, it's just a 50/50 fight although Bivol won the first fight. I'm sure the betting odds will be close but I would still choose Bivol to win again.

Anyway the fight between Canelo vs GGG will happen on the next month and I don't see the odds are changed to favor on GGG, actually GGG is more and more become an underdog.

Not surprised with that, Canelo is younger and still one of the hottest boxers now, so people would think no way GGG would win this possible last fight.

[Daltonik]

So far, only one thing is clear that four years have passed since the last fight between Canelo and Golovkin, and if Canelo has become stronger during this time, then GGG has become four years older, of course he should not be underestimated, but it seems to me that it is not worth expecting much either.