[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 - September 17

[mirakal]

I already anticipated that Canelo will still be the favorite in the bookies list this time but I expect that this time, Canelo won't have some help from the judges because this might be their final match, so a just and clean fight is really needed this time especially for GGG's situation.

But if Canelo will win this time then he can chose to move down or move up and challenge any boxer in light-heavy before he decides to have a rematch against Bivol as Bivol already said that he's not interesting to fight Canelo in a non-title fight.

Bivol may not agree to a fight against Canelo in the United States. Because his payment for the last fight is still blocked due to the sanctions against Russia. He may prefer fighting in the Middle East, but that may be unacceptable and financially unviable for Canelo. Bivol needs to fight in the United States, if there is a mandatory title challenge. But he is not going to do that for non-title fights. And I don't see a clear solution here. Bivol may not get any payment if he takes part in any activity inside the US. Another solution would be to move the fight to Mexico. I guess Canelo would be OK with that?

Is that right? Didn't know about that at all because I thought that the boxing industry got that cleared including the issues of the fight that won't be sanctioned because of the ongoing war between Russia against Ukraine.

Well, if that is the issue right there then Bivol shouldn't agree to have a rematch with Canelo (if that will happen soon) if the fight will take place again on US soil. Mexico or somewhere in UAE will still be favorable for the both parties as I think money will always follow Canelo.

Seems to be that the Middle East is the preferred destinations of most fight, the Usyk vs Joshua will be in Saudi.

So it make sense if ever Bivol will reconsider a rematch with Canelo, it could be good venue for the fight.

However, it's up to Canelo, he need to win against GGG first and we will see what will the plan. If he is chasing for a 5th world title then Cruiserweight could be his next, but who knows, if the money is right for a Bivol fight and then probably it will be their best shot.

Middle East is more suitable because it is a neutral place to fight for the both boxers rather than fighting again in American soil where Bivol might face the same situation he had in their first encounter.

But a cruiserweight fight for Canelo might be too much for him as we already saw his performance in light-heavy, I mean what's more if he will fight in cruiserweight? He might be strong but his moves will be much calculated by his foes as he won't be that fast enough in cruiserweight. Anyway, let's see Canelo's decision after this trilogy.

[carlisle1]

Middle East is more suitable because it is a neutral place to fight for the both boxers rather than fighting again in American soil where Bivol might face the same situation he had in their first encounter.

But a cruiserweight fight for Canelo might be too much for him as we already saw his performance in light-heavy, I mean what's more if he will fight in cruiserweight? He might be strong but his moves will be much calculated by his foes as he won't be that fast enough in cruiserweight. Anyway, let's see Canelo's decision after this trilogy.

Yes, after this trilogy, Canelo's camp may explore to which division he wanted to bring his greatness. He needs to take care

of this upcoming fight first, as he needs to re-claim his name after that defeat for Bivol. They might be taking that road once

the fight was already done. If he concludes this rivalry in winning this upcoming fight. There are many options as Canelo is still in his

prime, he can choose what direction for his career and for more flowing money inside his pocket.

[TopTort777]

Middle East is more suitable because it is a neutral place to fight for the both boxers rather than fighting again in American soil where Bivol might face the same situation he had in their first encounter.

But a cruiserweight fight for Canelo might be too much for him as we already saw his performance in light-heavy, I mean what's more if he will fight in cruiserweight? He might be strong but his moves will be much calculated by his foes as he won't be that fast enough in cruiserweight. Anyway, let's see Canelo's decision after this trilogy.

Cruiserweight is to much for Canelo. Not only boxers there are heavier and stronger, but they are often taller. He would have to go to close distance to have any success, but his face will be smashed with heavy jabs all the time. Besides, he has only two fights in light heavy. A loss to Bivol, and a victory over Kovalev, who seems to be selling his belt for several millions, instead of boxing, plus he was not in his prime already. Light weight has still bunch of good opponents for Canelo, if he finds middleweight or super middle weight boring or empty for him.

[Sithara007]

Cruiserweight is to much for Canelo. Not only boxers there are heavier and stronger, but they are often taller. He would have to go to close distance to have any success, but his face will be smashed with heavy jabs all the time. Besides, he has only two fights in light heavy. A loss to Bivol, and a victory over Kovalev, who seems to be selling his belt for several millions, instead of boxing, plus he was not in his prime already. Light weight has still bunch of good opponents for Canelo, if he finds middleweight or super middle weight boring or empty for him.

The loss to Bivol was not as simple as it sounds. I watched the highlights and at the most Canelo won a maximum of 2-3 rounds (out of 12). The scorecard didn't reflected what happened on the ring, because the judges were biased towards Canelo (similar to what happened during Canelo vs GGG). Bivol just smashed Canelo to pulp and completely dominated the match. If Canelo still feels confident about this weight class, then he can set up a rematch with Bivol. A more intelligent option would be to remain at 160/168.

[Kelvinid]

Cruiserweight is to much for Canelo. Not only boxers there are heavier and stronger, but they are often taller. He would have to go to close distance to have any success, but his face will be smashed with heavy jabs all the time. Besides, he has only two fights in light heavy. A loss to Bivol, and a victory over Kovalev, who seems to be selling his belt for several millions, instead of boxing, plus he was not in his prime already. Light weight has still bunch of good opponents for Canelo, if he finds middleweight or super middle weight boring or empty for him.

The loss to Bivol was not as simple as it sounds. I watched the highlights and at the most Canelo won a maximum of 2-3 rounds (out of 12). The scorecard didn't reflected what happened on the ring, because the judges were biased towards Canelo (similar to what happened during Canelo vs GGG). Bivol just smashed Canelo to pulp and completely dominated the match. If Canelo still feels confident about this weight class, then he can set up a rematch with Bivol. A more intelligent option would be to remain at 160/168.

The result could be different if Canelo did not obviously lose the fight, if it was close then it might resulted into a split decision giving Canelo the "W", and that would make his name hyped more in the sports of boxing, good thing Bivol did not allow that to happen and clearly dominated Canelo.

[stadus]

But if Canelo will win this time then he can chose to move down or move up and challenge any boxer in light-heavy before he decides to have a rematch against Bivol as Bivol already said that he's not interesting to fight Canelo in a non-title fight.

If I remember it right about Canelo's contract this year, he is about to face 3 fighters this year until 1Q next year, Dmitry Bivol, Gennady Golovkin, and I don't know who is the 3rd possible fighter. After this trilogy, it's not recommended by Canelo's camp to meet Bivol right away and ask for a rematch as they think Canelo is not ready yet to face Bivol. Much worst if Canelo will lose this trilogy as his chance for a rematch against Bivol will now become slimmer.

For now, let's wait for the result of this trilogy fight. Just around a month to go and we will now see this fight that was hoped for years.

Right, I'm also curious who will be that 3rd boxer be that Canelo has to fight this year or in the 1st quarter next year. But it's too early to tell and make some speculation about that as Canelo is in a bad situation recently, and he surely want to win this fight because he cannot afford what will happen to his career if he will have a back to back loss. This trilogy is a must win for Canelo but it's also a must win for GGG to tie the score of their long standing rivalry. Let's see about that next month.

[Vaculin]

Can't even imagine Canelo weighing 200 pounds just to get a fight with some boxers in cruiserweight, for sure he'd struggle more than he could imagine because guys there are much more natural compared to him who's just jacked up just to get the weight. I agree that 160 lbs. and 168 lbs. are much more suitable for him, he got to maintain his status in that division because there will be boxers in the future who will try to get one of his belts.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Although I picked Canelo by KO in the survey, my heart is with GGG as always. I just always follow my head rather than my heart when it comes to betting and predicting.

Same here, I pick Canelo because he have beaten GGG for two times and at the same time I think the trilogy wouldn't be biased if GGG won in the first fight as GGG clearly won for almost people view expect the judges and Canelo's family.

Honestly the odds for Canelo 1.28x isn't bad since most of his fight, his odds is really low as below 1.10x, even for small bettors it's still profitable.

I'd say in boxing, upset is high likely wouldn't happen, it's different with the other sports.

What are the probabilities then? Personally, I'm not betting based on probability, though GGG is an underdog, but since I like him to win I would still bet on him to win, I'm not a taker of a an almost sure win based on the odds, I'd like to gamble more on high odds.

Then this is the chance that we all have been waiting for since Canelo is the underdog. Same here, majority wanted to see Golovkin win so it's not going to be a bad bet after all. And in case he lose, then we can change that fact, and as fans, we have to accept it (although it will be frustrating if there is another robbery.

Just to note though, in the last 2 fights, it seems that judges are favoring Canelo specially in the last 3 rounds. I do hope that Golovkin knows this so that he will make the right adjustment and win those.

Canelo vs golovkin 3 will show us who is the best the past two fight is little bit unclear but now is time after this fight we will know who is the best among these two veteran and good boxers. If ggg will win in this fight then I think there's a another rematch which is ggg and Canelo 4. But if canelo will win this match then without any problems then   canelo is the best. What ever who is our bet of this fight for sure  its worthy and exciting.

If you have really summed up many things in your publication, of course both boxers are exceptional, but you have to see the desire that GGG has, because so many times they have wanted to see these two in a good rematch that GGG is not going to want to give him anything to Canelo, and less for the performances that Canelo has had lately, GGG cannot afford to lose to a rival that is so iconic, however Caanelo's preparation must be top level, because he will want to kill these series of rematches and win opponents who are much stronger and that his reputation refloats again. I think this is one of the reasons why Canelo has to win.

Can't even imagine Canelo weighing 200 pounds just to get a fight with some boxers in cruiserweight, for sure he'd struggle more than he could imagine because guys there are much more natural compared to him who's just jacked up just to get the weight. I agree that 160 lbs. and 168 lbs. are much more suitable for him, he got to maintain his status in that division because there will be boxers in the future who will try to get one of his belts.

I also consider that 160-170 pounds is the most appropriate for Canelo, I think that more weight for Canelo could not have the same effect, since he does not dominate that weight, and even though his punches would be very accurate, I think that the other boxers would have more opportunity than him, this is something that is very relevant in terms of the mood, any boxer would want to have a match with him to defeat him, this is something that should not be denied and it is not because Canelo is losing his ability, but because there are boxers who I see that they are more hungry to win and more hungry for victories, Canelo is imperative that he start winning fights.

[chaser15]

Can't even imagine Canelo weighing 200 pounds just to get a fight with some boxers in cruiserweight, for sure he'd struggle more than he could imagine because guys there are much more natural compared to him who's just jacked up just to get the weight. I agree that 160 lbs. and 168 lbs. are much more suitable for him, he got to maintain his status in that division because there will be boxers in the future who will try to get one of his belts.

Because he already succeeded in his comfort zone. The time now to move up! Nothing wrong to test it.

He will surely experience a struggle since that's a new challenge for him. Might experience several losses and possibly destroy his fame. But that was part of the process. It's not that he will be successful right away if ever he will attempt to dominate the Cruiserweight. One step at a time until he will use on fighting at that division.

Let's just watch him. We don't know if he will fail or not until he tries. The defeat from Bivol should wake up him to become a better boxer. Winning against GGG in this upcoming fight should also be treated as a serious match for him and do his best to win.

[Jating]

Can't even imagine Canelo weighing 200 pounds just to get a fight with some boxers in cruiserweight, for sure he'd struggle more than he could imagine because guys there are much more natural compared to him who's just jacked up just to get the weight. I agree that 160 lbs. and 168 lbs. are much more suitable for him, he got to maintain his status in that division because there will be boxers in the future who will try to get one of his belts.

Yeah, and even at a catch weight, of around 190 lbs, it will be too much on Canelo's frame as he is not a natural bigger guy and we've seen him a career best at 168 lbs, destroying everyone at his path and claiming all the belts. But when he decided to go 175 lbs, it's a very different story, it seems his power is gone as it has no effect on Bivol and slow and he seems to be gassing out in the latter round.

[harizen]

The result could be different if Canelo did not obviously lose the fight, if it was close then it might resulted into a split decision giving Canelo the "W", and that would make his name hyped more in the sports of boxing, good thing Bivol did not allow that to happen and clearly dominated Canelo.

That's why if this trilogy will end up in a Decision, GGG needs to be clear dominant at most rounds in order for judges to be fair and square. It's because of the speculation that judges always favor Canelo. Remember during their first fight where it ended up on a DRAW, one of the judges there scores 118-110 in favor of Canelo. That is controversial as the other judges' scores, 113-115 and 114-114, are not even close to that first announced score.

In their rematch, the score card is also close that also got questioned by most boxing enthusiasts.

There's also speculation that if Bivol, even a clear winner in that fight against Canelo, but the overall match were close, judges might favor Canelo to win that fight.

[goinmerry]

That would be another hype, however, I think Canelo will experience his 2nd losses on the higher division as certainly cannot bring his speed and power as evidenced by his fight against Bivol, or if he wants to avenge his loss, he can go for a rematch with Bivol after beating GGG, if that expectation will happen.

Beterbiev is a big deal. Canelo will just be a punching bag for this guy. Bivol is even much smaller in terms of overall firepower compare to Beterbiev. If Canelo becomes a kid facing Bivol, how much more against Beterbiev? Canelo is not yet ready to face champions at those levels but if he will challenge instead those on rankings before the Champion, that's a good start although it's not a title match and promoters always want a big fight to Canelo as their cash cow.

I hope this trilogy will not end up AGAIN with a controversial result. Close scores really always end up controversial.

[AmoreJaz]

The result could be different if Canelo did not obviously lose the fight, if it was close then it might resulted into a split decision giving Canelo the "W", and that would make his name hyped more in the sports of boxing, good thing Bivol did not allow that to happen and clearly dominated Canelo.

That's why if this trilogy will end up in a Decision, GGG needs to be clear dominant at most rounds in order for judges to be fair and square. It's because of the speculation that judges always favor Canelo. Remember during their first fight where it ended up on a DRAW, one of the judges there scores 118-110 in favor of Canelo. That is controversial as the other judges' scores, 113-115 and 114-114, are not even close to that first announced score.

In their rematch, the score card is also close that also got questioned by most boxing enthusiasts.

There's also speculation that if Bivol, even a clear winner in that fight against Canelo, but the overall match were close, judges might favor Canelo to win that fight.

the previous fights will be a good motivation for GGG to defeat Canelo fair and square. i can understand why a lot of users here are favouring GGG. so this upcoming fight is indeed interesting. even bookies are favouring Canelo. so the challenge is on GGG if he wants to retire from boxing a winner one last time. it is also good to place a bet in other betting lines if you want to explore your chances as the odds are good.

[Kemarit]

Cruiserweight is to much for Canelo. Not only boxers there are heavier and stronger, but they are often taller. He would have to go to close distance to have any success, but his face will be smashed with heavy jabs all the time. Besides, he has only two fights in light heavy. A loss to Bivol, and a victory over Kovalev, who seems to be selling his belt for several millions, instead of boxing, plus he was not in his prime already. Light weight has still bunch of good opponents for Canelo, if he finds middleweight or super middle weight boring or empty for him.

The loss to Bivol was not as simple as it sounds. I watched the highlights and at the most Canelo won a maximum of 2-3 rounds (out of 12). The scorecard didn't reflected what happened on the ring, because the judges were biased towards Canelo (similar to what happened during Canelo vs GGG). Bivol just smashed Canelo to pulp and completely dominated the match. If Canelo still feels confident about this weight class, then he can set up a rematch with Bivol. A more intelligent option would be to remain at 160/168.

Yes, that will be the smart move, 160/168 lbs might be suitable for him for now, as there are no fighter in that division that can bring Canelo more millions. 175 is very different, Bivol as we saw how Canelo got destroyed and then Beterviev, another one of those champions that is very big for Canelo and has a bigger puncher power than Bivol. Maybe he will let this two fight first and the winner will be Canelo's target for the belt and obviously it's for the money.

[wxa7115]

That would be another hype, however, I think Canelo will experience his 2nd losses on the higher division as certainly cannot bring his speed and power as evidenced by his fight against Bivol, or if he wants to avenge his loss, he can go for a rematch with Bivol after beating GGG, if that expectation will happen.

Beterbiev is a big deal. Canelo will just be a punching bag for this guy. Bivol is even much smaller in terms of overall firepower compare to Beterbiev. If Canelo becomes a kid facing Bivol, how much more against Beterbiev? Canelo is not yet ready to face champions at those levels but if he will challenge instead those on rankings before the Champion, that's a good start although it's not a title match and promoters always want a big fight to Canelo as their cash cow.

I hope this trilogy will not end up AGAIN with a controversial result. Close scores really always end up controversial.

I really hope that the result is not controversial as well, personally I do not have much of a problem when the score is close as long as it favors the one that actually won the fight, however in their two previous meetings GGG deserved to win at least one of those fights and that is why there is so much attention put into this fight.

People want to see if Canelo is actually able to beat and maybe even dominate GGG, if he is able to do it then he could clear the doubts that the previous fights created, but he cannot do it then I think this is going to be a slight hit against his reputation.

[Jawhead999]

People want to see if Canelo is actually able to beat and maybe even dominate GGG, if he is able to do it then he could clear the doubts that the previous fights created, but he cannot do it then I think this is going to be a slight hit against his reputation.

Even Canelo will show a clearly domination by him against GGG in the trilogy, I wouldn't say Canelo is really prove he's the best boxers since it's different with the first and second fights. It's already have different ages, crowd, luck, situation etc etc and although there will be the fourth or fifth figths, it's still different and can't change the fact GGG was won the first fight.

Yes, that will be the smart move, 160/168 lbs might be suitable for him for now, as there are no fighter in that division that can bring Canelo more millions. 175 is very different, Bivol as we saw how Canelo got destroyed and then Beterviev, another one of those champions that is very big for Canelo and has a bigger puncher power than Bivol. Maybe he will let this two fight first and the winner will be Canelo's target for the belt and obviously it's for the money.

But if Canelo is only stay on super middleweight division, he wouldn't learn and improve himself to become the best boxers. I think Canelo is a challenger person and want to become a GOAT just like Pacquiao, he's not like Mayweather who only looking for money and his clean record.

[Daltonik]

Of course, Golovkin has a chance to win a rematch with Canelo if everything goes well for him in terms of preparing for the fight and, as it seems to me, if Canelo makes a mistake at the beginning of the fight, but this is more a matter of luck than objective reality.

[Fredomago]

The result could be different if Canelo did not obviously lose the fight, if it was close then it might resulted into a split decision giving Canelo the "W", and that would make his name hyped more in the sports of boxing, good thing Bivol did not allow that to happen and clearly dominated Canelo.

That's why if this trilogy will end up in a Decision, GGG needs to be clear dominant at most rounds in order for judges to be fair and square. It's because of the speculation that judges always favor Canelo. Remember during their first fight where it ended up on a DRAW, one of the judges there scores 118-110 in favor of Canelo. That is controversial as the other judges' scores, 113-115 and 114-114, are not even close to that first announced score.

In their rematch, the score card is also close that also got questioned by most boxing enthusiasts.

There's also speculation that if Bivol, even a clear winner in that fight against Canelo, but the overall match were close, judges might favor Canelo to win that fight.

the previous fights will be a good motivation for GGG to defeat Canelo fair and square. i can understand why a lot of users here are favouring GGG. so this upcoming fight is indeed interesting. even bookies are favouring Canelo. so the challenge is on GGG if he wants to retire from boxing a winner one last time. it is also good to place a bet in other betting lines if you want to explore your chances as the odds are good.

If you love to take a big gamble, placing a bet for GGG might give you a decent profit in case he beat Canelo this time. We see a lot of GGG supporters who are willing to take that risk to bet with aged GGG; we don't know though if that last win from the Japanese fighter Murata builds something for GGG to increase his confident in beating Canelo, though for me, he always has that eagerness and confidence that he wins that 2 previous fights.

Of course, Golovkin has a chance to win a rematch with Canelo if everything goes well for him in terms of preparing for the fight and, as it seems to me, if Canelo makes a mistake at the beginning of the fight, but this is more a matter of luck than objective reality.

GGG needs to take his shot knowing that it can be his last chance, We know how good he was way back from his prime years, now, he will going to try again if he succeed we might see another fight between them since the record will be tied in terms of winning stats.

[Baofeng]

People want to see if Canelo is actually able to beat and maybe even dominate GGG, if he is able to do it then he could clear the doubts that the previous fights created, but he cannot do it then I think this is going to be a slight hit against his reputation.

Even Canelo will show a clearly domination by him against GGG in the trilogy, I wouldn't say Canelo is really prove he's the best boxers since it's different with the first and second fights. It's already have different ages, crowd, luck, situation etc etc and although there will be the fourth or fifth figths, it's still different and can't change the fact GGG was won the first fight.

Yes, that will be the smart move, 160/168 lbs might be suitable for him for now, as there are no fighter in that division that can bring Canelo more millions. 175 is very different, Bivol as we saw how Canelo got destroyed and then Beterviev, another one of those champions that is very big for Canelo and has a bigger puncher power than Bivol. Maybe he will let this two fight first and the winner will be Canelo's target for the belt and obviously it's for the money.

But if Canelo is only stay on super middleweight division, he wouldn't learn and improve himself to become the best boxers. I think Canelo is a challenger person and want to become a GOAT just like Pacquiao, he's not like Mayweather who only looking for money and his clean record.

Yes, I do agree, and Canelo has clean up the 168 lbs division so there is no challenge for him. So he may have to go to light-HW as some point in time. Or even go directly to Bivol after the Canelo fight.

He is chasing a 5th title, to be the one of the great Mexican boxers. And he can still fight maybe in the next 4-5 years so for sure he won't style at super middleweight division.

[LUCKMCFLY]

That would be another hype, however, I think Canelo will experience his 2nd losses on the higher division as certainly cannot bring his speed and power as evidenced by his fight against Bivol, or if he wants to avenge his loss, he can go for a rematch with Bivol after beating GGG, if that expectation will happen.

Beterbiev is a big deal. Canelo will just be a punching bag for this guy. Bivol is even much smaller in terms of overall firepower compare to Beterbiev. If Canelo becomes a kid facing Bivol, how much more against Beterbiev? Canelo is not yet ready to face champions at those levels but if he will challenge instead those on rankings before the Champion, that's a good start although it's not a title match and promoters always want a big fight to Canelo as their cash cow.

I hope this trilogy will not end up AGAIN with a controversial result. Close scores really always end up controversial.

I really hope that the result is not controversial as well, personally I do not have much of a problem when the score is close as long as it favors the one that actually won the fight, however in their two previous meetings GGG deserved to win at least one of those fights and that is why there is so much attention put into this fight.

People want to see if Canelo is actually able to beat and maybe even dominate GGG, if he is able to do it then he could clear the doubts that the previous fights created, but he cannot do it then I think this is going to be a slight hit against his reputation.

Well, I think that those of us who live in the forum know very well that this fight is one of the most elusive and therefore we could see that favorable results can be achieved for either of the two types of fans, both for Canelo and for GGG, but in All this time I have realized something very particular, most people have more appreciation for GGG, I don't know if maybe he as a person has more charisma, something they like and want to see him succeed, obviously statistics help him a lot, but in boxing not everything is numbers and statistics, it's the real part, real life, and really even though both boxers have failed along their paths, it will be interesting to see this fight.