UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season

[skarais]

Without active on next window transfer I think both team between Chelsea and Dortmund are in the poor performance right now, have lucky for postponed match with international break out seems Chelsea and Dortmund have enough time take recovery and back to the top performance. Chelsea's appearance this season has been very tragic, since Graham Potter replaced Thomas Tuchel so far he has not been able to provide the best performance for Chelsea.

Dortmund are also in poor performance at the moment, two consecutive defeats in the Bundesliga have knocked them out of top fourth standing, likely match Chelsea vs Dortmund not as big match depending both team standing on domestic league.

Both teams look less good when viewed from the performance in their respective leagues. But for me, Chelsea is much better to be the favorite in this match considering they look more experienced. However, I dare not guarantee that Chelsea will be able to win the match against Dortmund if their performance does not improve.

For now, I think everything is still very difficult to determine. Chelsea was great, but Dortmund didn't look bad either. Both teams have chances to win the match, but maybe in the Champions League experience will benefit Chelsea.

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[GiftedMAN]

Dortmund might be the better team now but lets wait to see what happens after the world cup, Chelsea cannot keep playing as poorly as they were and that's a fact, the Chelsea side is always known for improving their style of play whenever a new manager is appointed. Potter will get the team working again as he gets to know the players better. We just have to be patient with him and not forget he hasn't had time to get to know his players.

I don't think Dortmund is doing a better job this season in terms of performance than Chelsea even though Chelsea has been in poor form under their new manager Potter. Comparing the performance of two teams in their league, Dortmund has played 15 matches, won 8,  drawn 1, and lost 6 and they are currently in 6th position with 25points while Chelsea has played 14 matches, won 6, drawn 3 and lost 5 matches and they have a total of 21 points and currently 8th place in the table. Going with this analysis, I see that Dortmund has lost more matches in their league than Chelsea without an injury crisis while Chelsea is facing the challenge of injury, and the new coach trying to get used to the players and their playing position which he is gradually getting used to.


Dortmund is never a better team this season than Chelsea unless they defeat Chelsea which I don't think is possible until the final whistle because Chelsea is known as a strong team when they play other big teams outside the EPL and we have watched them defeat Barcelona, AC Milan and almost did it last season against the defending Champion Real Madrid. I think it will be a strong game but Chelsea will make it to the next round.

[sana54210]

I think Dortmund and Chelsea are both strong teams. But the problem is that their performance is not consistent. They perform well against strong teams, but also lose against weak teams. And it is difficult to make predictions about the performance of irregular teams. Dortmund vs Chelsea match can have any result. Both teams have equal chances. So I will refrain from betting on this match.

Consistency comes with managers being there for a long time, and that’s something that would take a bit of a time for most of the clubs and I do not think that Chelsea could be considered that way, Dortmund is not because of the players they keep losing all the time, they barely have any strikers left after Haaland left and Haller got sick.

So all in all that consistency is not there because these teams are good teams, normally they should be good, but they have some problems going on and that causes them to be not that great for a long time, only show their greatness here and there. Chelsea is still a lot better than Dortmund when you consider it though, they just have a better team.

[Fara Chan]

both of them experienced a decline in performance in the domestic league. but for the champions league trophy of course both of them will prepare better.
dortmund vs Chelsea is hard to predict. but both of them were dropped from the top 4 of the domestic league. it's hard to see this, even Dortmund has difficulty competing with Freiburg and Leipzig. of course facing Chelsea will also be difficult for Dortmund. but the chance of winning, Dortmund is still big. we'll see which team is more prepared, the rest phase is also quite long. plenty of time to prepare before they fight.

Even though in their respective leagues they have seen a decline in performance, for the Champions League they will definitely give their all even though they are not superior.
Chelsea has more chances when compared to Dortmund, the Champions League will be very different to a team that has never won it, meanwhile, Dortmund's performance has decreased significantly compared to Chelsea in their respective leagues, plenty of time for preparation, allowing the two clubs to make improvements in the team, so they can qualify for the round of 16 with a win.

[Sebas.tian]

You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

Dortmund are very well-balanced opponents for Chelsea this season and as it is all about staying in the Champions League both will try to play better and will try to make more serious attacks in order to score more goals. I think when the second match starts, it will be a very fierce match and also more enjoyable to watch. But for the time being everyone will have to watch the players in the league return to their respective countries to play in the world cup before returning to their respective leagues in teams.

Yes, Dortmund players are very strong in this season to challenge Chelsea after the holiday, because their coach is a talented coach that know how to introduce tactics that will bring favour to the team at the end of the match. I think, the both teams will use this break as an opportunity to prepare well ahead of their next match to ensure there are new things in their performance that will give their fans Joy. I believe, Chelsea coach will definitely find solution to their poor performance before returning back to UEFA champion league competition, so that it will help the team to recover from their losses.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Dortmund is never a better team this season than Chelsea unless they defeat Chelsea which I don't think is possible until the final whistle because Chelsea is known as a strong team when they play other big teams outside the EPL and we have watched them defeat Barcelona, AC Milan and almost did it last season against the defending Champion Real Madrid. I think it will be a strong game but Chelsea will make it to the next round.

Not this Chelsea squad, the 2020/2021 squad (Champions) was a determined force that really needed to prove to the world that they shouldn't be underated but this current Chelsea squad doesn't have that determination in them. They know if they don't achieve anything this season that nobody will question them since they're understandably under a new owner, coach and inexperienced one for that matter. Chelsea are currently in their worst form since the days of sacking of Mourinho. Chelsea doesn't lose three successive games without winning but from the way this current squad are playing it seems that'll soon become a regular occurrence as we're currently on a three game losing form.

In the premier league, Chelsea has won only two of their last game and losing to teams that Chelsea shouldn't be losing to especially as we're way behind in the title race. With amount of money spent this season, Chelsea should be title contenders since money spent is now among the factors required to be competing for the title. No win in our last five premier league games (three loss, two draws) things aren't just looking good at the moment but hopefully things change after the world cup.

[X-ray]

You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

They can make the best use of the winter transfer market to strengthen the squad. With a long time lag before the Champions League returns, they can use it to evaluate their current weaknesses. Now their defense and attack are in the spotlight, because they made a lot of mistakes there.
Likewise with their opponent Borussia Dortmund who are currently experiencing a downturn, although not as severe as the decline from Chelsea, it remains a fundamental problem that they must immediately fix. The meeting of 2 big teams from 2 different countries should present an interesting match to watch.

The first thing that must be done by chelsea to sell so many players that have very bad performance. I think that potter can't even adapt with the situation that happened with chelsea. chelsea keeps facing lose streak. This gonna be a very big pressure for potter.
Buying the players were not always the solution if that was only 1 or 2 players. Chelsea's squad is not the same like last year where it can also compete in the EPL. Chelsea will face dortmund which was not a strong team but the problem is if chelsea is still performing underrated based from the result in the EPL. Three lose in a rows for chelsea which is a very bad result for graham potter as well. that makes me doubt if chelsea can win against dortmund next year

[Strongkored]

both of them experienced a decline in performance in the domestic league. but for the champions league trophy of course both of them will prepare better.
dortmund vs Chelsea is hard to predict. but both of them were dropped from the top 4 of the domestic league. it's hard to see this, even Dortmund has difficulty competing with Freiburg and Leipzig. of course facing Chelsea will also be difficult for Dortmund. but the chance of winning, Dortmund is still big. we'll see which team is more prepared, the rest phase is also quite long. plenty of time to prepare before they fight.

Even though in their respective leagues they have seen a decline in performance, for the Champions League they will definitely give their all even though they are not superior.
Chelsea has more chances when compared to Dortmund, the Champions League will be very different to a team that has never won it, meanwhile, Dortmund's performance has decreased significantly compared to Chelsea in their respective leagues, plenty of time for preparation, allowing the two clubs to make improvements in the team, so they can qualify for the round of 16 with a win.

Chelsea and also Dortmund have won the Champions League but Dortmund have done it a long time after that they have never won, agree sometimes the Club that has won the Champions League has the upper hand to win the game.
We can see some teams that are bad in the local league but can perform better in the Champions League the reason could be because the opportunity in the local league is no longer there to win so that the team becomes more focused on tournaments where they still have a chance to win or even be champions. About this match they are equally likely to win, do not have a favorite who will win because the formation of players can change after the World Cup

[Docnaster]

I think that players are not going to care about injuries when they’re playing for the national team in the World Cup. How many times we have seen players coming back with an injury from the World Cup? And obviously, players are going to give much more importance to the World Cup instead to club football.

Right now, neither Chelsea nor Dortmund’s playing well. So, it will be detrimental for them if any of the layers pick up an injury in the World Cup.

No one knows about the arrival of injuries to players, so they deserve to play optimally when defending their country in the World Cup later. No player wants them injured, I think you are wrong in saying they don't care about injuries. All football players don't want that because it will make a decline in their career. Maybe the reason you say that is because it involves them playing for their country, but still, this is something that they will definitely anticipate.

There is no player who is careless about injury or who is happy to be injured. We know the joy that comes when you represent your country in the highest level of football where the whole world will watch you display the colour of your country, they will play with determination, strength and energy but that does not mean that they will like to be injured because there is the life after WC
There is much likelihood for any player to be injured in the world cup because there is no much time for rest, the matches are played every 3 days

[Spack17]

When it comes to the Dortmund - Chelsea matchup I can say that Chelsea is clearly the favourite side to advance.

Because they aren't performing here like they do in the English Premier League. We have seen better performances in the Champions League so far and this carried them to the lead in their group. I know that they didn't have a tough group on paper but Salzburg and Dinamo still made difficulties for them. But they were really successful against a bigger team like Milan. They defeated Milan in both matches. This might be a proof that they can show a similar level of performance against Dortmund also. I don't see Dortmund's defense being strong now. As long as Chelsea are productive in the matchup they should be able to get past Dortmund nicely.

By the way the odds for Chelsea to advance to the quarter-final are like these:

[Warkop]

You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

Dortmund are very well-balanced opponents for Chelsea this season and as it is all about staying in the Champions League both will try to play better and will try to make more serious attacks in order to score more goals. I think when the second match starts, it will be a very fierce match and also more enjoyable to watch. But for the time being everyone will have to watch the players in the league return to their respective countries to play in the world cup before returning to their respective leagues in teams.

Yes, Dortmund players are very strong in this season to challenge Chelsea after the holiday, because their coach is a talented coach that know how to introduce tactics that will bring favour to the team at the end of the match. I think, the both teams will use this break as an opportunity to prepare well ahead of their next match to ensure there are new things in their performance that will give their fans Joy. I believe, Chelsea coach will definitely find solution to their poor performance before returning back to UEFA champion league competition, so that it will help the team to recover from their losses.

if we look at the performance of the two teams since the start of the season, both of them have been inconsistent, Dortmund, which is the same as last season, which did not develop rapidly, they have not been able to be consistent, while Chelsea have not been able to be consistent after changing coaches.

so I think it's an even match and both of them still have the same chance to qualify for the next round.
there is not much difference between the two teams and what determines who will qualify is the team that is more prepared at that time, because in terms of performance and quality the two are not much different and both also have problems with consistency.

These two Clubs are currently in the mid-ranking in their respective league standings, of course this is a match that is balanced and appropriate, as the match between PSG and Bayern Munich is equally tough. When talking about Chelsea and Borussia Dortmund these two teams do not perform consistently in their league, but it's true what people say that they are better at playing in the Champions League, precisely the opposite for these two clubs, at least they can keep up with performance in the League and in the Champions League, if these two clubs continue to play like they are losing consistency in their League, then they don't will appear in the Champions League next season...

[nara1892]

You're right, Chelsea still have some time to bounce back. Chelsea is undoubtedly a good team but not all teams have good performances all the time. Maybe that's exactly what Chelsea are doing right now. But hopefully Chelsea will return to form very soon. And will play well against Dortmund.

They can make the best use of the winter transfer market to strengthen the squad. With a long time lag before the Champions League returns, they can use it to evaluate their current weaknesses. Now their defense and attack are in the spotlight, because they made a lot of mistakes there.
Likewise with their opponent Borussia Dortmund who are currently experiencing a downturn, although not as severe as the decline from Chelsea, it remains a fundamental problem that they must immediately fix. The meeting of 2 big teams from 2 different countries should present an interesting match to watch.

The first thing that must be done by chelsea to sell so many players that have very bad performance. I think that potter can't even adapt with the situation that happened with chelsea. chelsea keeps facing lose streak. This gonna be a very big pressure for potter.
Buying the players were not always the solution if that was only 1 or 2 players. Chelsea's squad is not the same like last year where it can also compete in the EPL. Chelsea will face dortmund which was not a strong team but the problem is if chelsea is still performing underrated based from the result in the EPL. Three lose in a rows for chelsea which is a very bad result for graham potter as well. that makes me doubt if chelsea can win against dortmund next year

When it comes to Adaptation there is no way Potter won multiple times even when his Chelsea debut started.
I personally feel that this is still related to the players who are injured especially there are 5 people there and most of them are defenders who can't play which makes them always lose and lose.
After missing Kante and Reece James, one by one, their players had problems with their feet. Namely, Fofana, Chilwell and even Gallagher had to follow suit.
Losing some tough defenders is definitely a pain of course and this I don't think is an issue with Potter adaptation but the players he has now are sorely lacking.

[babo]

Personally I don't think the Dortmund team is strong. But their performance is completely erratic. They have several talented players in their squad. And Dortmund can beat any team if they perform well. On the other hand, the performance of their opponent Chelsea is not regular. If they can't bring in an experienced striker in the winter transfer window, their performance will not improve. The performance of their forward players is poor.

Dortmund might not be in good shape at the moment but if you have to compare I think they are a better team than this current Chelsea side that have been performing poorly in their recent games losing four games in a roll in all competitions. It will be really tough for Chelsea if they fail to strengthen weak and lacking positions like their attack in the January transfer far window I expect Chelsea to be active in January to revive their standing.

Just for this season alone Dortmund has not done really well in their local league but in the Champions League they have done averagely well and they have all it takes to face Chelsea by next year.
Both Dotmund and Chelsea have good chances in that draw, only because by next year things might get better or worse with any club depending on the outcome of the players that went to the World Cup . We should expect a totally new Dortmund or Chelsea by next year .

yes it is true, both have a mediocre performance
I didn't even consider them to get to the conquest of the title
moreover, their matches seem terribly boring to me

I don't know, as bookmakers I see that they are not listed to win the Champions League, I consider them a side dish

[Bobrox]

Chelsea and also Dortmund have won the Champions League but Dortmund have done it a long time after that they have never won, agree sometimes the Club that has won the Champions League has the upper hand to win the game.
We can see some teams that are bad in the local league but can perform better in the Champions League the reason could be because the opportunity in the local league is no longer there to win so that the team becomes more focused on tournaments where they still have a chance to win or even be champions.

When talking about Chelsea or Dortmund opportunity who lead to next stage I think have bad side with domestic league achievement by both team, actually Chelsea and Dortmund have poor perform at domestic league and Chelsea get three loss in a row and Graham Potter become the first Chelsea manager have bad result. But with the primer league most consistent have team participants not only at quarter final but also lead until final stage I think Chelsea have bigger chance qualify to next round than Dortmund.

About this match they are equally likely to win, do not have a favorite who will win because the formation of players can change after the World Cup

After World Cup have window transfer open and actually will changed with player composition for Chelsea and Dortmund, but likely have few player changed by both manager and I don't think any drastically starting eleven changed by Graham Potter. But Chelsea will get back service from Nkante after long time injured.

[Davian144]

if we look at the performance of the two teams since the start of the season, both of them have been inconsistent, Dortmund, which is the same as last season, which did not develop rapidly, they have not been able to be consistent, while Chelsea have not been able to be consistent after changing coaches.

However, the Chelsea team itself really has the opportunity to be consistent after the world cup this season. Because the Chelsea coach will definitely see and evaluate the deficiencies that still exist in his team when he returns to competing in the Champions League. Because the Champions League is a competition that every team takes seriously and will continue to make efforts to be able to play as well as possible.

[rahmad2nd]

When it comes to Adaptation there is no way Potter won multiple times even when his Chelsea debut started.
I personally feel that this is still related to the players who are injured especially there are 5 people there and most of them are defenders who can't play which makes them always lose and lose.
After missing Kante and Reece James, one by one, their players had problems with their feet. Namely, Fofana, Chilwell and even Gallagher had to follow suit.
Losing some tough defenders is definitely a pain of course and this I don't think is an issue with Potter adaptation but the players he has now are sorely lacking.

Yes and that's why Chelsea lack solid defense. the absence of players due to injury, forced Potter to rotate several existing players. Potter is the new manager, he automatically has to adapt to his new troops and find the strategy formula that best suits the available players. this job is not easy for any coach, but his debut with Chelsea was not too bad. it's just that in the middle of the journey Chelsea had to accept its first defeat under Potter's coaching, when they traveled to Brighton. after that, Chelsea got successive defeats.

after the world cup break ends, if the Chelsea players have recovered from their injuries.
I am optimistic, Dortmund will find it difficult to overthrow Chelsea even though Dortmund are playing as the home team. with this competition paused due to the world cup, it is to the advantage for Potter to rebuild his squad to face Dortmund in the round of 16 later.

[maju69]

The success and failure of a team to win the Champions League trophy is not due to having many star players in their squad. I prefer to say a team that wins a trophy is a team that is able to work together well and don't panic easily when their position is under pressure.

PSG and Manchester City have always been on the list of favourites, but in reality these two teams have yet to win the UCL title.
The weakness of PSG and Manchester City is not that there are many star players in their squad, but that they are unable to control their emotions when they are in a pressured position, which makes their entire plan fall apart.

When they won the UCL trophy, almost the entire Real Madrid squad was filled with star players, from goalkeepers to strikers. So to become a champion, it is not only necessary to have the strength of a team, the mentality and enthusiasm of the players are also a factor in the success of a team.

That's what I said, factors other than players play a very important role for the team to achieve success. And the first is teamwork, apart from that, as you said, mentality also influences them a lot. No matter how great a player is, if they don't have a strong mentality, they won't be able to achieve success. And what we must not forget is that external factors such as luck also play a role in it.

[nara1892]

When it comes to Adaptation there is no way Potter won multiple times even when his Chelsea debut started.
I personally feel that this is still related to the players who are injured especially there are 5 people there and most of them are defenders who can't play which makes them always lose and lose.
After missing Kante and Reece James, one by one, their players had problems with their feet. Namely, Fofana, Chilwell and even Gallagher had to follow suit.
Losing some tough defenders is definitely a pain of course and this I don't think is an issue with Potter adaptation but the players he has now are sorely lacking.

Yes and that's why Chelsea lack solid defense. the absence of players due to injury, forced Potter to rotate several existing players. Potter is the new manager, he automatically has to adapt to his new troops and find the strategy formula that best suits the available players. this job is not easy for any coach, but his debut with Chelsea was not too bad. it's just that in the middle of the journey Chelsea had to accept its first defeat under Potter's coaching, when they traveled to Brighton. after that, Chelsea got successive defeats.

after the world cup break ends, if the Chelsea players have recovered from their injuries.
I am optimistic, Dortmund will find it difficult to overthrow Chelsea even though Dortmund are playing as the home team. with this competition paused due to the world cup, it is to the advantage for Potter to rebuild his squad to face Dortmund in the round of 16 later.

This is the problem because even a great coach can't keep playing some big games without bringing in his core players and something like this happened to Potter.
He is aware that his performance will be the talk of the town because he is the coach who replaced Tuchel so it is certain that he will continue to be watched and compared.
After all he has brought Chelsea to a good start so that when their players start to recover I personally am still pretty confident with this coach.
Now just waiting for the holidays to end and their players recover this is a good thing for Potter.

[KTChampions]

It would be nice if your words about "this season or never again" turned out to be true. Because City are in the same position and if one of these oil clubs is left out of the Champions League title holders I will be very happy. In general, I do not expect surprises in the Bayern-PSG pairing, I hope both clubs will be in optimal shape and then Bayern should win confidently. It will be worse if Bayern has some kind of failure.

PSG and Bayern are now in an interesting situation. Both clubs have the same number of wins in their head-to-head encounters. But I remember how well PSG played in the quarterfinals last year. Back then too, many thought that Bayern would win without any problems, but PSG gave a fight. This year the teams are playing equally well and it is hard to say who will win, but I think PSG look better now.

Better in what? Compare the PSG group and the Bayern group and note that Bayern finished in first place and PSG in second. In the national championships, they performed about the same (even if Bayern had a slight decline) - in any case, this is not an indicator, since it is difficult to understand something from the games in the farm league.

[shogun47]

both of them experienced a decline in performance in the domestic league. but for the champions league trophy of course both of them will prepare better.
dortmund vs Chelsea is hard to predict. but both of them were dropped from the top 4 of the domestic league. it's hard to see this, even Dortmund has difficulty competing with Freiburg and Leipzig. of course facing Chelsea will also be difficult for Dortmund. but the chance of winning, Dortmund is still big. we'll see which team is more prepared, the rest phase is also quite long. plenty of time to prepare before they fight.

Even though in their respective leagues they have seen a decline in performance, for the Champions League they will definitely give their all even though they are not superior.
Chelsea has more chances when compared to Dortmund, the Champions League will be very different to a team that has never won it, meanwhile, Dortmund's performance has decreased significantly compared to Chelsea in their respective leagues, plenty of time for preparation, allowing the two clubs to make improvements in the team, so they can qualify for the round of 16 with a win.

Chelsea and also Dortmund have won the Champions League but Dortmund have done it a long time after that they have never won, agree sometimes the Club that has won the Champions League has the upper hand to win the game.
We can see some teams that are bad in the local league but can perform better in the Champions League the reason could be because the opportunity in the local league is no longer there to win so that the team becomes more focused on tournaments where they still have a chance to win or even be champions. About this match they are equally likely to win, do not have a favorite who will win because the formation of players can change after the World Cup

That conclusion doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Given that Real Madrid was the first club ever to defend their Champions League title, the logic that the team who won the title in the past has more chances to win any game afterwards is no proper conclusion accordingly.

This game between the two is a 50 50 situation. Chelsea is not the Chelsea it used to be when it actually won the title.

The performances of the past really don't have a whole lot to do with what a team is able to pull off the season after. We have seen teams crashing that played great the year before, there are many examples for that.