Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[Kasabus]

We can hype and do our job but if they are not interested nothing will happen. Spence and Crawford claimed that they are the best fighter in the world in their division but are afraid to fight each other, maybe they are just trying to make the bad negotiation and excuse on why the fight did not push through. How long do we have to wait? I hope Spence will lose so no more Spence vs Crawford hype.

Record is more important to them than proving and clearing the doubt of anyone who is in doubt of their real boxing skills, obviously, one of them is afraid and cannot risk his record against a potential and formidable opponent that has the same chance of winning against them. If this was the 90s, then we have already seen this fight years ago and they could have been in their trilogy if they had a great fight against each other but these days boxers that are having clean records are afraid to lose and risk it against a fighter of their level.

Well if that is their mindset, then we can't blame them. But for those who have been following boxing for so long even in the 90's, this is clearly not acceptable in that era. We have seen in the welterweight till middle weight great fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard, Duran, Hagler and Thomas Hearns beating each other.

And then Manny facing his nemesis in Marquez, Barrera and Erik Morales.

So having 0 losses is not a measuring stick for greatness. Even the greatest of all time, Muhammad Ali has losses as well in his record.

Exactly, their job is to please the crowd but with their selfish interest, that would not happen. Pacman is an example of a great boxer, he does not become an 8 time world champion for nothing, when he was still young, he beats boxers at their prime, now that he already got old, he even have one big win against a champion before he lose and declare his retirement.

I agree, it's more of a selfish ask on the part of Spence to say that they don't need Crawford to become great.

Manny is different bread of boxers, that's why he is a legend to us because he chooses to fight the best of his era, win or lose he take that risk doesn't care about his record. As long as he can pleased his fans he will do it without any hesitation. As compare to the newest breed of boxers who just care for themselves and then later says that they are the best, Lol, that's why it's no good to compare era's in boxing and boxers themselves.

What greatness is he talking about? He cannot be proud to himself and boast what he had done because he chose to avoid some specific fights to maintain his status. Errol Spence can say whatever he wanted to say but people know what's the truth because it is undeniable that he is afraid to face Crawford, and I reckon that even Charlo felt the same.
Frankly, this new generation of boxers are really different to what we had before because they have so many excuses, exactly the reason why Manny Pacquiao is viewed as one of the legendary boxer because he didn't avoided someone while Mayweather despite having the undefeated record doesn't have what Pacquiao had.  And there's this boxing politics that also gives some struggles to boxers who wanted to cement their legacy.

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[Fredomago]

What greatness is he talking about? He cannot be proud to himself and boast what he had done because he chose to avoid some specific fights to maintain his status. Errol Spence can say whatever he wanted to say but people know what's the truth because it is undeniable that he is afraid to face Crawford, and I reckon that even Charlo felt the same.
Frankly, this new generation of boxers are really different to what we had before because they have so many excuses, exactly the reason why Manny Pacquiao is viewed as one of the legendary boxer because he didn't avoided someone while Mayweather despite having the undefeated record doesn't have what Pacquiao had.  And there's this boxing politics that also gives some struggles to boxers who wanted to cement their legacy.

I want to add some more, it's all about money and the fighters now is more on that side they just idolizing Mayweather, whatever critics will say he managed to complete his career with the belts and a clean no loss records, plus, he always have a big shares in each fight and whatever you say he can look at your eyes boosting his achievements, just like how Spence is now showing, he speeaks loud since he still holding the belts.

[serjent05]

What greatness is he talking about? He cannot be proud to himself and boast what he had done because he chose to avoid some specific fights to maintain his status. Errol Spence can say whatever he wanted to say but people know what's the truth because it is undeniable that he is afraid to face Crawford, and I reckon that even Charlo felt the same.
Frankly, this new generation of boxers are really different to what we had before because they have so many excuses, exactly the reason why Manny Pacquiao is viewed as one of the legendary boxer because he didn't avoided someone while Mayweather despite having the undefeated record doesn't have what Pacquiao had.  And there's this boxing politics that also gives some struggles to boxers who wanted to cement their legacy.

I want to add some more, it's all about money and the fighters now is more on that side they just idolizing Mayweather, whatever critics will say he managed to complete his career with the belts and a clean no loss records, plus, he always have a big shares in each fight and whatever you say he can look at your eyes boosting his achievements, just like how Spence is now showing, he speeaks loud since he still holding the belts.

That is funny, I would rather have the 8 division title than have 0 losses at all.  0 losses may look good but 8 division title is way way way better than unblemished records.  If Manny Pacquiao is an American I bet he is already labeled as the G.O.A.T.  Besides, there are lots of controversies in Mayweather's fight, especially the one he has with Maidana during their first fight.  If pounds for pounds is taken as literally as it is, then Manny Pacquiao would be the Pound for pound king until someone breaks his record of 8 Division title.

[mirakal]

What greatness is he talking about? He cannot be proud to himself and boast what he had done because he chose to avoid some specific fights to maintain his status. Errol Spence can say whatever he wanted to say but people know what's the truth because it is undeniable that he is afraid to face Crawford, and I reckon that even Charlo felt the same.
Frankly, this new generation of boxers are really different to what we had before because they have so many excuses, exactly the reason why Manny Pacquiao is viewed as one of the legendary boxer because he didn't avoided someone while Mayweather despite having the undefeated record doesn't have what Pacquiao had.  And there's this boxing politics that also gives some struggles to boxers who wanted to cement their legacy.

I want to add some more, it's all about money and the fighters now is more on that side they just idolizing Mayweather, whatever critics will say he managed to complete his career with the belts and a clean no loss records, plus, he always have a big shares in each fight and whatever you say he can look at your eyes boosting his achievements, just like how Spence is now showing, he speeaks loud since he still holding the belts.

That is funny, I would rather have the 8 division title than have 0 losses at all.  0 losses may look good but 8 division title is way way way better than unblemished records.  If Manny Pacquiao is an American I bet he is already labeled as the G.O.A.T.  Besides, there are lots of controversies in Mayweather's fight, especially the one he has with Maidana during their first fight.  If pounds for pounds is taken as literally as it is, then Manny Pacquiao would be the Pound for pound king until someone breaks his record of 8 Division title.

Agree with that, but he will never be GOAT because we have Ali who is a GOAT, and there's only one GOAT. Manny should be in the top 3 boxers of all time for me, I believe he should ranked higher than Mayweather because of his achievements that has not surpass to anyone yet.

[Fredomago]

What greatness is he talking about? He cannot be proud to himself and boast what he had done because he chose to avoid some specific fights to maintain his status. Errol Spence can say whatever he wanted to say but people know what's the truth because it is undeniable that he is afraid to face Crawford, and I reckon that even Charlo felt the same.
Frankly, this new generation of boxers are really different to what we had before because they have so many excuses, exactly the reason why Manny Pacquiao is viewed as one of the legendary boxer because he didn't avoided someone while Mayweather despite having the undefeated record doesn't have what Pacquiao had.  And there's this boxing politics that also gives some struggles to boxers who wanted to cement their legacy.

I want to add some more, it's all about money and the fighters now is more on that side they just idolizing Mayweather, whatever critics will say he managed to complete his career with the belts and a clean no loss records, plus, he always have a big shares in each fight and whatever you say he can look at your eyes boosting his achievements, just like how Spence is now showing, he speaks loud since he still holding the belts.

That is funny, I would rather have the 8 division title than have 0 losses at all.  0 losses may look good but 8 division title is way way way better than unblemished records.  If Manny Pacquiao is an American I bet he is already labeled as the G.O.A.T.  Besides, there are lots of controversies in Mayweather's fight, especially the one he has with Maidana during their first fight.  If pounds for pounds is taken as literally as it is, then Manny Pacquiao would be the Pound for pound king until someone breaks his record of 8 Division title.

Agree with that, but he will never be GOAT because we have Ali who is a GOAT, and there's only one GOAT. Manny should be in the top 3 boxers of all time for me, I believe he should ranked higher than Mayweather because of his achievements that has not surpass to anyone yet.

It will be tough as like what you mentioned Ali already have that title and it will be hard to break that label, and I also agree that Manny will be on the top 3 and will be acknowledged as much better than what Mayweather have, 8 division champ is a kind of achievements that still tough to break, plus that charmed where fans would really love to watch each time he got the schedule.

Spence might be following the steps of Mayweather. He can end his career with belts and a clean records plus a huge amount of money.

[Jawhead999]

Chill guys, either Mayweather, Manny Pacquaio, Mike Tyson, and Muhammad Ali, they're legends and many people really respect with them. Currently the best boxers are Canelo Alvarez and Usyk, they would become a legend too as long as they're spend all of their life in boxing and not scared to fight with a strong boxer.

Now back to the main discussion, I still don't find any official statement if this fight will happen. Currently there's only a rumor this fight would happen on the Q1 next year. I wonder what's does Spence would do if he win against Thurman, it seems he already satisfied to have 3 belts and not want to get one more belt.

[Baofeng]

Chill guys, either Mayweather, Manny Pacquaio, Mike Tyson, and Muhammad Ali, they're legends and many people really respect with them. Currently the best boxers are Canelo Alvarez and Usyk, they would become a legend too as long as they're spend all of their life in boxing and not scared to fight with a strong boxer.

Now back to the main discussion, I still don't find any official statement if this fight will happen. Currently there's only a rumor this fight would happen on the Q1 next year. I wonder what's does Spence would do if he win against Thurman, it seems he already satisfied to have 3 belts and not want to get one more belt.

Maybe he will declared his intentions to go up in 154 lbs because currently, it doesn't look good that we will see Spence vs Crawford. Might vacate this 3 belts, create a vacuum in 147 lbs, chances for the young guns to challenge for the belt, (Ennis or Vergil Ortiz), or let this anyone face Crawford for the unification fight.

And probably this is one reason why his team says that they don't need Crawford because they still have a lot of options and get another belt in the next weight class. Same with Crawford as well, he can and go up to 154 lbs too. And maybe this could be the weight class that we finally see them fight, or not.

[chaser15]

I'm not aware that Errol Spence Jr. was involved again in a car accident.

Although not that worst compare to the 1st car accident he got involved with that almost cost his life.

With that being said, he said in a statement that he might delay his return to the ring probably in April, May, or June:
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/errol-spence-to-delay-his-return-to-the-ring-due-to-car-accident/256006

[btc_angela]

I'm not aware that Errol Spence Jr. was involved again in a car accident.

Although not that worst compare to the 1st car accident he got involved with that almost cost his life.

With that being said, he said in a statement that he might delay his return to the ring probably in April, May, or June:
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/errol-spence-to-delay-his-return-to-the-ring-due-to-car-accident/256006

He was the victim this time, and as per conversation several pages back, he is complaining about his leg, feeling pain but his coach says that he is ok by now.

In any case, that is still perfect if his opponent in Keith Thurman although the article says nothing as who is Spence going to face next but we have hints that it could be One time next for him.

Still a lot of time for Keith to prepare as well in this fight, so still very good for him and see if he can still get back some title himself as he used to be a champion in 147 lbs until Spence and Crawford moves up to this division.

[LUCKMCFLY]

If the boxing body ordered but then the fighters didn't follow, he will be either stripped of the belt or have to pay them huge some of money, which I don't think Spence is willing to do. And as we have argued, they are in the same stable mate, so this fight is easy to be made. Just goes down on the money, but for sure Spence is going to be the A-side here, maybe 60-40 or 60-35, nevertheless it's all in house money.

Yes, I agree. Spence won't do something stupid and cancel the fight because of his own reason. In fact, he should be able to handle Keith Thurman.

About the purse split, it makes sense to think that Spence will surely have the biggest slice of the pie for obvious reasons.

Spence won't be called a "PPV King" for nothing that's why my guess will be, 60-35 in favor of Spence.

Yes, Spence will get the biggest part of the purse here, he is the champion the most active, and one of the biggest attraction in boxing and in this weight class. Thurman will have to play his part to accept the lesser money. But still a win win situation for him if he beat Spence and maybe him and Crawford can fight next.

Was just watching the Pacquiao vs Thurman fight and the hype behind it.

Lol, Thurman really bring the best out of Manny Pacquiao with all his trash talking and when he was knock down, that sums up what the fight will end up when you trash talk one of the biggest punchers. Anyhow, let's see how they will going to promote it, for sure there will be a lot of trash talking as well.

I'm waiting for him to bring something to hype the media and bring intensity and that kind of inspration for Spence when they are both inside the ring, I don't think Thurman will missed this kind of exposure, knowing that he really wanted to challenge the defending champion, if he manage to upset Spence here, he will gain a huge hype to his career and for sure more money fight to expect.

We don't know if what will be the outcome the conclusion will be dictated after the fight.

I'm seeing Spence claiming that he is still the king of welterweight and the recent set of fighters are just wannabes, including Spence and Crawford to some extend. He can claim that he is still the best although he has lost to Manny Pacquiao years ago.

And I think fans are going to watch this fight, could be one of the most anticipated fight in welterweight as Thurman is also a very loud trash talker and we can see some disrespect brewing in this fight.

Well Thurman is a pretty strong, very powerful boxer, but the bad thing is when they talk a lot, because they don't concentrate very well and they say things that aren't, of course I think they do that on purpose to get attention, without a doubt Spence is one of The best, for me Crawford, for me he has plenty of opportunity to do something well, if Crwafor manages to win his match, if Spence loses it, I think that this is the ideal opportunity to take advantage of it to challenge him, and if he does not accept it, I think Crawford has a lot to be able to annoy him, of course Thurman can go off on a lot saying things, but I think he can also be part of the show.



Well, now here's one more curiosity about Errol Spence:

WORRY ‘F***ed him up’ – Errol Spence does not want to fight 44-year-old Manny Pacquiao, despite recent call-out, because of ‘stigma’ Larry Holmes faced after battering Muhammad Ali

However, Spence was forced to withdraw due to an eye injury and Pacquiao was well beaten by replacement opponent Yordenis Ugas instead.

The icon then retired from boxing, as many thought was right.

In April of this year, Spence stopped Ugas and is now targeting a showdown with fellow elite champion Terence Crawford.

This has proved difficult to negotiate though, and Pacquiao has thrown another spanner into the works.

The 44-year-old returned to the ring for an exhibition bout last week and stated that he wants to make a full comeback against Spence or Crawford.

Pacquiao told FightHype: “Of course I can fight Terence Crawford or Errol Spence.

Pacquiao looked his age against Ugas last time out

Source: https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1281611/

It is something that catches my attention, Pacquiao never ceases to amaze me, for me a true legend, it is a pity that he does not continue boxing professionally.

[Sithara007]

It is something that catches my attention, Pacquiao never ceases to amaze me, for me a true legend, it is a pity that he does not continue boxing professionally.

He did the right thing by retiring from the ring. He has achieved whatever he wanted. He wanted to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr., but he couldn't achieve that in 2015. Even in 2019 he was able to defeat Keith Thurman. But his last fight against Yordenis Ugás ended in defeat and he decided to hang up his boots after that. The fight against DK Yoo this month was not a professional fight, but rather an exhibition match. It was a completely one-sided match, with predictable outcome. But I was surprised with the fact that Yoo lasted for full 6 rounds.

[Natalim]

It is something that catches my attention, Pacquiao never ceases to amaze me, for me a true legend, it is a pity that he does not continue boxing professionally.

He did the right thing by retiring from the ring. He has achieved whatever he wanted. He wanted to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr., but he couldn't achieve that in 2015. Even in 2019 he was able to defeat Keith Thurman. But his last fight against Yordenis Ugás ended in defeat and he decided to hang up his boots after that. The fight against DK Yoo this month was not a professional fight, but rather an exhibition match. It was a completely one-sided match, with predictable outcome. But I was surprised with the fact that Yoo lasted for full 6 rounds.

Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him. I believe Pacman's decision to retire is just right, though he still can fight but he is already old to fight against the young champions, he had already proven with Thurman but he wasn't dominating the fight unlike before.

[Kemarit]

It is something that catches my attention, Pacquiao never ceases to amaze me, for me a true legend, it is a pity that he does not continue boxing professionally.

He did the right thing by retiring from the ring. He has achieved whatever he wanted. He wanted to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr., but he couldn't achieve that in 2015. Even in 2019 he was able to defeat Keith Thurman. But his last fight against Yordenis Ugás ended in defeat and he decided to hang up his boots after that. The fight against DK Yoo this month was not a professional fight, but rather an exhibition match. It was a completely one-sided match, with predictable outcome. But I was surprised with the fact that Yoo lasted for full 6 rounds.

Yeah, it was a different Manny who show on the Ugas fight, maybe it was the cramps or the complete change of opponent that throw him off.

But in any case, he has retired and age gracefully in boxing, he has cemented his legacy already. So I don't know why he still wanted to fight the young or at least the current champion in Spence and Crawford.

Just enjoy the exhibition fight next in Saudi make money and have a good and successful life.

[inthelongrun]

I'm not aware that Errol Spence Jr. was involved again in a car accident.

Although not that worst compare to the 1st car accident he got involved with that almost cost his life.

With that being said, he said in a statement that he might delay his return to the ring probably in April, May, or June:
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/errol-spence-to-delay-his-return-to-the-ring-due-to-car-accident/256006

He was the victim this time, and as per conversation several pages back, he is complaining about his leg, feeling pain but his coach says that he is ok by now.

In any case, that is still perfect if his opponent in Keith Thurman although the article says nothing as who is Spence going to face next but we have hints that it could be One time next for him.

Still a lot of time for Keith to prepare as well in this fight, so still very good for him and see if he can still get back some title himself as he used to be a champion in 147 lbs until Spence and Crawford moves up to this division.

The situation clearly shows the corruption of WBC. First, they removed Vergil Ortiz at number 1 and replaced him with the returning Keith Thurman. Second, they mandate a Thurman-Spence fight without a fixed deadline. It should've been like a 30-day notice for both camps to reach a deal or a purse bid with another fixed date happens. Spence should've decided by now to defend his belts or to vacate them. Corrupt WBC is clearly not doing anything to put some pressure on the situation.

I hope Crawford is moving on for the possible unification with Spence. Next year Bud is turning 36, he is out of time. He better spends the rest of his career trying to become a 4 division champion, something Spence will never achieve.

[mirakal]

What greatness is he talking about? He cannot be proud to himself and boast what he had done because he chose to avoid some specific fights to maintain his status. Errol Spence can say whatever he wanted to say but people know what's the truth because it is undeniable that he is afraid to face Crawford, and I reckon that even Charlo felt the same.
Frankly, this new generation of boxers are really different to what we had before because they have so many excuses, exactly the reason why Manny Pacquiao is viewed as one of the legendary boxer because he didn't avoided someone while Mayweather despite having the undefeated record doesn't have what Pacquiao had.  And there's this boxing politics that also gives some struggles to boxers who wanted to cement their legacy.

I want to add some more, it's all about money and the fighters now is more on that side they just idolizing Mayweather, whatever critics will say he managed to complete his career with the belts and a clean no loss records, plus, he always have a big shares in each fight and whatever you say he can look at your eyes boosting his achievements, just like how Spence is now showing, he speaks loud since he still holding the belts.

That is funny, I would rather have the 8 division title than have 0 losses at all.  0 losses may look good but 8 division title is way way way better than unblemished records.  If Manny Pacquiao is an American I bet he is already labeled as the G.O.A.T.  Besides, there are lots of controversies in Mayweather's fight, especially the one he has with Maidana during their first fight.  If pounds for pounds is taken as literally as it is, then Manny Pacquiao would be the Pound for pound king until someone breaks his record of 8 Division title.

Agree with that, but he will never be GOAT because we have Ali who is a GOAT, and there's only one GOAT. Manny should be in the top 3 boxers of all time for me, I believe he should ranked higher than Mayweather because of his achievements that has not surpass to anyone yet.

It will be tough as like what you mentioned Ali already have that title and it will be hard to break that label, and I also agree that Manny will be on the top 3 and will be acknowledged as much better than what Mayweather have, 8 division champ is a kind of achievements that still tough to break, plus that charmed where fans would really love to watch each time he got the schedule.

Spence might be following the steps of Mayweather. He can end his career with belts and a clean records plus a huge amount of money.

Regarding on that G.O.A.T. title, the great Muhammad Ali already owned it, and that's the kind of achievements that is hard to break. Just like what Manny Pacquiao had done, I mean, 8-Division World Champion? You can say anyone who's also great and champion but Manny Pacquiao will be separated because he's also the one and only who held that achievement.

Spence might be following the steps of Mayweather. He can end his career with belts and a clean records plus a huge amount of money.

No doubt, and I'll just add, that also includes filtering who he will be facing to avoid great risks that will scathe his record. Moreover, that same move that Mayweather did to let his opponents grow much older because he faces, that might be the situation here with Spence against Crawford.

[Sithara007]

Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him. I believe Pacman's decision to retire is just right, though he still can fight but he is already old to fight against the young champions, he had already proven with Thurman but he wasn't dominating the fight unlike before.

He is not focusing on boxing nowadays. He is more in to politics and activism. At this point, we should respect his decision. He might have felt that it is not possible for him to do two things at once (boxing and politics). Manny Pacquiao for the presidential a few months back, but he was not very successful (election was eventually won by Bongbong Marcos with Sara Duterte as the VP candidate, while Pacquiao managed to get less than 7% of the vote). The next elections are scheduled for 2028, and I have a feeling that Pacquiao's chances maybe higher then.

[Dave1]

Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him. I believe Pacman's decision to retire is just right, though he still can fight but he is already old to fight against the young champions, he had already proven with Thurman but he wasn't dominating the fight unlike before.

He is not focusing on boxing nowadays. He is more in to politics and activism. At this point, we should respect his decision. He might have felt that it is not possible for him to do two things at once (boxing and politics). Manny Pacquiao for the presidential a few months back, but he was not very successful (election was eventually won by Bongbong Marcos with Sara Duterte as the VP candidate, while Pacquiao managed to get less than 7% of the vote). The next elections are scheduled for 2028, and I have a feeling that Pacquiao's chances maybe higher then.

Probably it had affected Manny that time of the scheduled fight as it was very close to the Presidential election if I'm not mistaken. Also the change of the fighters that he might face is also a big factor, from Spence to Ugas as he hasn't prepared for Yordenis style of fights.

Nevertheless, it's over now, he lost his Presidential bid but probably will go for another try next election but it might be another difficult task for him as he might face the daughter of Rodrigo Duterte in Sarah which has a strong backing as well.

Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

[Ziskinberg]

Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

[Oasisman]

It is something that catches my attention, Pacquiao never ceases to amaze me, for me a true legend, it is a pity that he does not continue boxing professionally.

He did the right thing by retiring from the ring. He has achieved whatever he wanted. He wanted to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr., but he couldn't achieve that in 2015. Even in 2019 he was able to defeat Keith Thurman. But his last fight against Yordenis Ugás ended in defeat and he decided to hang up his boots after that. The fight against DK Yoo this month was not a professional fight, but rather an exhibition match. It was a completely one-sided match, with predictable outcome. But I was surprised with the fact that Yoo lasted for full 6 rounds.

Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him.

If you make any reasons such as not being 100% healthy after lossing a fight, that will automatically considered as an excuse. That's one of the things I don't like hearing from any athlete. But don't get me wrong, I love watching Pacman fight.
That fight he had with Ugas, he wasn't really prepared for that, simply because he does not have enough time to study how Ugas fights. While on the other end, Ugas knew Pacman even before he was scheduled to replace Spence.
That's one of the main reasons why Pacquiao lost.

[Botnake]

It is something that catches my attention, Pacquiao never ceases to amaze me, for me a true legend, it is a pity that he does not continue boxing professionally.

He did the right thing by retiring from the ring. He has achieved whatever he wanted. He wanted to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr., but he couldn't achieve that in 2015. Even in 2019 he was able to defeat Keith Thurman. But his last fight against Yordenis Ugás ended in defeat and he decided to hang up his boots after that. The fight against DK Yoo this month was not a professional fight, but rather an exhibition match. It was a completely one-sided match, with predictable outcome. But I was surprised with the fact that Yoo lasted for full 6 rounds.

Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him.

If you make any reasons such as not being 100% healthy after lossing a fight, that will automatically considered as an excuse. That's one of the things I don't like hearing from any athlete. But don't get me wrong, I love watching Pacman fight.
That fight he had with Ugas, he wasn't really prepared for that, simply because he does not have enough time to study how Ugas fights. While on the other end, Ugas knew Pacman even before he was scheduled to replace Spence.
That's one of the main reasons why Pacquiao lost.

That's right, maybe that's the strategy of Spence so he could easily get the belt.

Because after Ugas won the fight, he then challenges Ugas and beat him easily. I don't really consider Spence as one of the greatest boxers in his era because he is not so willing to challenge and accept challenges from the champions, because if he would like to be the best, he should have fought Crawford a long time ago.