Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[carlisle1]

About the weight division, it is really a surprise that Thurman agreed to the demand of Spence to fight in Junior Middleweight[1] when the World Boxing council ordered Errol Spence Jr. to defend the title against Thurman[2].  I wonder what drives Thurman to accept the fight in that division.

From my point of view, Keith Thurman is really one of the possible boxers that Errol Spence might fight next, but on 147.

Since Spence considered moving up at 154 and Thurman as well, they decide instead to let the fight happen at 154 instead.

Anyways, their fight at 154 is a "NON-TITLE" bout and just about money-making lol.

Safer for Spence because he is not risking his belt, but this should be a great fight because I'm pretty sure that Thurman is not the same as Ugas whom Spence has easily dispose. Thurman will be looking for a shot to beat an popular boxer because that would put him at the top which is his goal on his return.

Yup, not the same with Ugas where Spence completely dominated the fight, unless Thurman is no longer the same I mean
if Thurman does not adjust with the way Spence will take him

But I'm also positive that Thurman will give Spence a fight that he aren't going to dictate the tempo or the direction.

It will be a tough one for Spence, an expected toe-to-toe encounter between these two great fighters.

[lionheart78]

About the weight division, it is really a surprise that Thurman agreed to the demand of Spence to fight in Junior Middleweight[1] when the World Boxing council ordered Errol Spence Jr. to defend the title against Thurman[2].  I wonder what drives Thurman to accept the fight in that division.

From my point of view, Keith Thurman is really one of the possible boxers that Errol Spence might fight next, but on 147.

Yeah it is Thurman's turn to fight against Spence since the WBC had already ordered Spence to defend the title, and they should be fighting at 147 and yet they agreed on 154 making WBC authority a joke.

Since Spence considered moving up at 154 and Thurman as well, they decide instead to let the fight happen at 154 instead.

Anyways, their fight at 154 is a "NON-TITLE" bout and just about money-making lol.

Yeah, the fight is all about money,lol.  If Spence considered moving up at 154, does it means the 147 WBC title is vacated?  I think WBC should declare the welterweight Title is vacant since Spence moved up to 154 lbs.  And making Spence pay for taking the council lightly.

[Maslate]

About the weight division, it is really a surprise that Thurman agreed to the demand of Spence to fight in Junior Middleweight[1] when the World Boxing council ordered Errol Spence Jr. to defend the title against Thurman[2].  I wonder what drives Thurman to accept the fight in that division.

From my point of view, Keith Thurman is really one of the possible boxers that Errol Spence might fight next, but on 147.

Since Spence considered moving up at 154 and Thurman as well, they decide instead to let the fight happen at 154 instead.

Anyways, their fight at 154 is a "NON-TITLE" bout and just about money-making lol.

Safer for Spence because he is not risking his belt, but this should be a great fight because I'm pretty sure that Thurman is not the same as Ugas whom Spence has easily dispose. Thurman will be looking for a shot to beat an popular boxer because that would put him at the top which is his goal on his return.

Yup, not the same with Ugas where Spence completely dominated the fight, unless Thurman is no longer the same I mean
if Thurman does not adjust with the way Spence will take him

But I'm also positive that Thurman will give Spence a fight that he aren't going to dictate the tempo or the direction.

It will be a tough one for Spence, an expected toe-to-toe encounter between these two great fighters.

As for Thurman agreeing to fight Spence at 154 lbs., I don't know what is the real reason behind because he could've refuse because that wasn't the order but he did not. That made me think that he needs Spence to climb the ladder again as he might have the first chance to grab and fight if ever Spence will suddenly vacate all his belts at 147 lbs.

As for the fight, Thurman surely studied Spence well as it's the latter who got more fights recently where he showed how dominant he is specially his last fight when he made Ugas's face like a punching bag that looks heavily deformed.

[serjent05]

About the weight division, it is really a surprise that Thurman agreed to the demand of Spence to fight in Junior Middleweight[1] when the World Boxing council ordered Errol Spence Jr. to defend the title against Thurman[2].  I wonder what drives Thurman to accept the fight in that division.

From my point of view, Keith Thurman is really one of the possible boxers that Errol Spence might fight next, but on 147.

Since Spence considered moving up at 154 and Thurman as well, they decide instead to let the fight happen at 154 instead.

Anyways, their fight at 154 is a "NON-TITLE" bout and just about money-making lol.

Safer for Spence because he is not risking his belt, but this should be a great fight because I'm pretty sure that Thurman is not the same as Ugas whom Spence has easily dispose. Thurman will be looking for a shot to beat an popular boxer because that would put him at the top which is his goal on his return.

Yup, not the same with Ugas where Spence completely dominated the fight, unless Thurman is no longer the same I mean
if Thurman does not adjust with the way Spence will take him

But I'm also positive that Thurman will give Spence a fight that he aren't going to dictate the tempo or the direction.

It will be a tough one for Spence, an expected toe-to-toe encounter between these two great fighters.

I also think that Thurman will give more challenges than Ugas.  I think Ugas is someone who is a passive and a counter puncher and Spence had focus trained to beat this kind of strategy of Ugas, and the result is Spence dominating the fight.  While Thurman is a more aggressive fighter and might give Spence more challenge because Thurman will be actively throwing punches making Spence to be on the defensive and counterpuncher type.  I think Spence still has the advantage if Thurman chooses to have a toe to toe encounter against Spence since we know Thurman has been exposed by Manny Pacquiao to have a weak body resistance.

[chaser15]

Yeah, the fight is all about money,lol.  If Spence considered moving up at 154, does it means the 147 WBC title is vacated?  I think WBC should declare the welterweight Title is vacant since Spence moved up to 154 lbs.  And making Spence pay for taking the council lightly.

The titles that Spence Jr. is currently holding will be vacant once he moved up weight. That was the rule. But seeing the situation on Spence, it's like special treatment and consideration will be applied lol. There are a lot of boxers at 147 even though he is ducking Crawford, but still moved to 154.

The fact Spence decides to do a non-title at 154 without going to make another fight at 147, that's already a crappy situation.

Even not close to happening and the chances are really low to happened based on my own view, I hope Thurman will get a win. Should be KO and not Decision.

[goinmerry]

Yup, not the same with Ugas where Spence completely dominated the fight, unless Thurman is no longer the same I mean
if Thurman does not adjust with the way Spence will take him

But I'm also positive that Thurman will give Spence a fight that he aren't going to dictate the tempo or the direction.

It will be a tough one for Spence, an expected toe-to-toe encounter between these two great fighters.

Thurman doesn't have any capability to take down Spence at all costs. Aside from being an inactive boxer, he seems not that serious now about getting a title at least. Since he lost to Pacquaio, Thurman became a soft Thurman unlike when he was one of the dominant boxers in the Welterweight.

His return to ring against Barios after a long hiatus is not even showed his usual power. I like Thurman to win here but realistically speaking, he can't outclass Spence. Even most boxing analyst thinks that this fight is going to be a landslide win for Spence.

[harizen]

About the weight division, it is really a surprise that Thurman agreed to the demand of Spence to fight in Junior Middleweight[1] when the World Boxing council ordered Errol Spence Jr. to defend the title against Thurman[2].  I wonder what drives Thurman to accept the fight in that division.

From my point of view, Keith Thurman is really one of the possible boxers that Errol Spence might fight next, but on 147.

Yeah it is Thurman's turn to fight against Spence since the WBC had already ordered Spence to defend the title, and they should be fighting at 147 and yet they agreed on 154 making WBC authority a joke.

Since Spence considered moving up at 154 and Thurman as well, they decide instead to let the fight happen at 154 instead.

Anyways, their fight at 154 is a "NON-TITLE" bout and just about money-making lol.

Yeah, the fight is all about money,lol.  If Spence considered moving up at 154, does it means the 147 WBC title is vacated?  I think WBC should declare the welterweight Title is vacant since Spence moved up to 154 lbs.  And making Spence pay for taking the council lightly.

Technically speaking, if the boxer moved up, they will definitely have to give up their hold belts and make it vacant.

But it should be noted too these boxers are allowed to fight at the said moved-up division and just decide to stay there later on. In other words, those at 147 for example, can negotiate a fight at 154 even if there's not a clear decision yet on that boxer if what division they will stay.

We will only get a clear answer from the question if whether Spence will return to 147 or continue to 154 after this fight.

[stadus]

His return to ring against Barios after a long hiatus is not even showed his usual power. I like Thurman to win here but realistically speaking, he can't outclass Spence. Even most boxing analyst thinks that this fight is going to be a landslide win for Spence.

It wasn't as expected but the most important is he won via unanimous decision, and speaking of Mario Barrios, his recent win against Jovanie Santiago showed that he is not a left over boxer, he can still fight so it's understandable that he give Thurman a good match.

[AmoreJaz]

Yup, not the same with Ugas where Spence completely dominated the fight, unless Thurman is no longer the same I mean
if Thurman does not adjust with the way Spence will take him

But I'm also positive that Thurman will give Spence a fight that he aren't going to dictate the tempo or the direction.

It will be a tough one for Spence, an expected toe-to-toe encounter between these two great fighters.

Thurman doesn't have any capability to take down Spence at all costs. Aside from being an inactive boxer, he seems not that serious now about getting a title at least. Since he lost to Pacquaio, Thurman became a soft Thurman unlike when he was one of the dominant boxers in the Welterweight.

His return to ring against Barios after a long hiatus is not even showed his usual power. I like Thurman to win here but realistically speaking, he can't outclass Spence. Even most boxing analyst thinks that this fight is going to be a landslide win for Spence.

maybe that was like a tune-up fight for Thurman. but don't know if his fight with Spence will still push thru. thurman is about 34 yrs old so he has still few years that he can be active. but his next fight should not be years in the making. his promoter should find bigger fights in prep for possible spence match. his latest performance still needs improvement to get back to where he was in terms of power.

[Baofeng]

Yup, not the same with Ugas where Spence completely dominated the fight, unless Thurman is no longer the same I mean
if Thurman does not adjust with the way Spence will take him

But I'm also positive that Thurman will give Spence a fight that he aren't going to dictate the tempo or the direction.

It will be a tough one for Spence, an expected toe-to-toe encounter between these two great fighters.

Thurman doesn't have any capability to take down Spence at all costs. Aside from being an inactive boxer, he seems not that serious now about getting a title at least. Since he lost to Pacquaio, Thurman became a soft Thurman unlike when he was one of the dominant boxers in the Welterweight.

His return to ring against Barios after a long hiatus is not even showed his usual power. I like Thurman to win here but realistically speaking, he can't outclass Spence. Even most boxing analyst thinks that this fight is going to be a landslide win for Spence.

maybe that was like a tune-up fight for Thurman. but don't know if his fight with Spence will still push thru. thurman is about 34 yrs old so he has still few years that he can be active. but his next fight should not be years in the making. his promoter should find bigger fights in prep for possible spence match. his latest performance still needs improvement to get back to where he was in terms of power.

It's more of a comeback fight and he should be showing us that he is ready for the big time show. Unfortunately, many of us see a different Thurman and made us conclude that he is no longer in his prime or somewhat getting old.

But still, he has been given the task to crack Spence in this fight although at 154 lbs and no belts in the line.

It's also interesting to note that Mario Barrios has made a comeback win as well as undercard or co main event in the Vargas vs Foster. Stop Jovanie Santiago in 8th rounds, so that is a good comeback and statement win for him to get back his confidence at welterweight division.

[Natalim]

It's more of a comeback fight and he should be showing us that he is ready for the big time show. Unfortunately, many of us see a different Thurman and made us conclude that he is no longer in his prime or somewhat getting old.

Every boxer sometimes have a not-so-satisfying performance, but we also have to remember that Errol Spence also struggle against an opponent, and that is against Porter when he only won via split decision, many of us think it's because of the injury he committed during a car crashed that's why he is not 100% yet, so it's the same story here. To stop this speculation, I think this fight should happen soon.

[carlisle1]

Yup, not the same with Ugas where Spence completely dominated the fight, unless Thurman is no longer the same I mean
if Thurman does not adjust with the way Spence will take him

But I'm also positive that Thurman will give Spence a fight that he aren't going to dictate the tempo or the direction.

It will be a tough one for Spence, an expected toe-to-toe encounter between these two great fighters.

Thurman doesn't have any capability to take down Spence at all costs. Aside from being an inactive boxer, he seems not that serious now about getting a title at least. Since he lost to Pacquaio, Thurman became a soft Thurman unlike when he was one of the dominant boxers in the Welterweight.

His return to ring against Barios after a long hiatus is not even showed his usual power. I like Thurman to win here but realistically speaking, he can't outclass Spence. Even most boxing analyst thinks that this fight is going to be a landslide win for Spence.

maybe that was like a tune-up fight for Thurman. but don't know if his fight with Spence will still push thru. thurman is about 34 yrs old so he has still few years that he can be active. but his next fight should not be years in the making. his promoter should find bigger fights in prep for possible spence match. his latest performance still needs improvement to get back to where he was in terms of power.

I like to agree with that, before taking Spence if there's still a chance it is better to have a fight with much heavier
opponent in preparation with the upcoming fight against Spence.

It will be better for Thurman to bring his old form before being beaten by Pacquiao, if he will enter the ring with that same
level it will be a tough fight for Spence.

Unless he's good for the money and no longer chasing for any potential title fight.

[goinmerry]

Yup, not the same with Ugas where Spence completely dominated the fight, unless Thurman is no longer the same I mean
if Thurman does not adjust with the way Spence will take him

But I'm also positive that Thurman will give Spence a fight that he aren't going to dictate the tempo or the direction.

It will be a tough one for Spence, an expected toe-to-toe encounter between these two great fighters.

Thurman doesn't have any capability to take down Spence at all costs. Aside from being an inactive boxer, he seems not that serious now about getting a title at least. Since he lost to Pacquaio, Thurman became a soft Thurman unlike when he was one of the dominant boxers in the Welterweight.

His return to ring against Barios after a long hiatus is not even showed his usual power. I like Thurman to win here but realistically speaking, he can't outclass Spence. Even most boxing analyst thinks that this fight is going to be a landslide win for Spence.

maybe that was like a tune-up fight for Thurman. but don't know if his fight with Spence will still push thru. thurman is about 34 yrs old so he has still few years that he can be active. but his next fight should not be years in the making. his promoter should find bigger fights in prep for possible spence match. his latest performance still needs improvement to get back to where he was in terms of power.

I like to agree with that, before taking Spence if there's still a chance it is better to have a fight with much heavier
opponent in preparation with the upcoming fight against Spence.

It will be better for Thurman to bring his old form before being beaten by Pacquiao, if he will enter the ring with that same
level it will be a tough fight for Spence.

Unless he's good for the money and no longer chasing for any potential title fight.

It will be hard for Keith Thurman to bring his old form since he remained inactive for a long after he was beaten by Pacquiao.

Yes, he returns to ring but again, remains inactive after that.

To fully back on his form, he needs at least 2 fights every year but unfortunately, lots of time is being wasted now as even in practice, he might not currently doing it regularly unless he has a scheduled fight.

[Pamadar]

It's more of a comeback fight and he should be showing us that he is ready for the big time show. Unfortunately, many of us see a different Thurman and made us conclude that he is no longer in his prime or somewhat getting old.

Every boxer sometimes have a not-so-satisfying performance, but we also have to remember that Errol Spence also struggle against an opponent, and that is against Porter when he only won via split decision, many of us think it's because of the injury he committed during a car crashed that's why he is not 100% yet, so it's the same story here. To stop this speculation, I think this fight should happen soon.

A good impression,

there's always time where heavy favorite fighter will have a struggle time, sometimes it can end up
with losing, upset coming from an underdog.

Let see if how both fighters will do their best in order to satisfy what fans wanted to see from their performances.

It will be decided when they both figthing and already executing their fighting styles.

[LUCKMCFLY]

When that old version of Pacquiao fought Ugas, look what happened to him. Additionally, Errol Spence just brutally attacked and mauled Ugas into submission. Thurman should study the weaknesses of Spence in order to take advantage of them. The defense of Spence is questionable because he has been hit numerous times in his past fights. But the champion Spence is certainly at a higher level of the Pacquiao who fought Thurman.

Pacman was having a problem with his leg on that time, that's why he easily lose, also, Pacman does not have enough time to study the technique of Ugas, so we can't blame him he lose. Maybe if he could have waited for Spence, we might see a close fight, maybe Pacman could even beat Spence.

Aside from that, Manny Pacquiao was already busy that time as if I remember it correctly, August was already a campaigning period especially for Pacquiao as he's also campaigning towards the presidential seat and maybe that's the reason why he came unprepared because he was having a hard time dividing his hours. Anyway, a loss is already a loss. The important thing now is an old rival of Pacquiao is now rising from the bottom and is now preparing for his fight with Spence, I hope his much prepared this time because this is chance to lift his name and open doors of opportunity..

Nothing to explain about that lost, Pacquiao and all his fans already move on and now we are talking about Thurman who one's trash talked
Pacquiao and now it's his time to come back and showcase his talent against Spence.

We are all waiting if how both of them will prepare for this fight and how they will entertain the fans and all those who will watch and support them.

There are always opinions about the outcome, but all will be concluded once they both fighting inside the ring.

Well, one of Pacquiao's mistakes was that, to focus on politics, it is something that I did not conceive of, but of course each person has a way of seeing life and the things they long for, at least he evidenced it and participated, in Part of him tried to achieve his dream but he could not materialize it, personally I think that on that side I understand him, he fought to get what he wants and that has his recognition, unfortunately that affected him so that he could not continue concentrating 100%, but one A legend like Pacquiao shouldn't speak ill of anyone, he's already a well-known person and it's not worth doing that.

We can't really blame the man, Manny Pacquiao, because running for a government seat and focusing on politics is his own way to give back to his people and help them in all sorts as that's what he wanted right from the beginning and if you're from Philippines, it's now to the people already that Pacquiao has been helping the needy and his motive is good. It's just that running towards a higher seat demands enough knowledge and lots of other things apart from helping the people alone, and that's why he lost the campaign.

Anyway, back to the fight. I'm really hoping that Thurman is packing a surprise this time because his name has been hyped since he got a victory lap over Barrios last time after having a long inactivity. I guess this will be his last chance though.

If it is true, it is a unique opportunity that he has, I do not know how he is taking it mentally, perhaps he has made it one of the great priorities of his life because he knows that in this fight he cannot make mistakes and that he is practically putting his future in suspense, that is, if he manages to win (and I think it is going against all odds) it would be something great for his career, because doors open for him, his reputation increases and obviously the fights that come his way will be of a high level and with a large reward in the event that it continues to give good results.

For some this fight is not that relevant because they know that Spence is one of the most monsters in boxing, but nothing is written, anything can happen.

Others make their own speculations:

Jaron Ennis Believes That Errol Spence Is Likely To Stop Keith Thurman

As an up-and-coming welterweight prospect, Errol Spence Jr. pleaded with Keith Thurman to take him on. But, despite his persistent poking and prodding, the former unified champion openly ignored Spence. Even as the powerful southpaw captured his first world title, Thurman showed little to no interest in facing him.

In kind, Spence has grown to loathe the now 34-year-old, even going as far as to say that he would never swap fists with Thurman in the ring. Fast forward just a few years later, however, and it appears that money talks.

With Spence and Thurman seemingly on a 154-pound collision course, several, including Jaron Ennis, is flummoxed as to why their showdown is taking place in the junior middleweight division.

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/jaron-ennis-believes-errol-spence-likely-stop-keith-thurman--172398

[Baofeng]

It's more of a comeback fight and he should be showing us that he is ready for the big time show. Unfortunately, many of us see a different Thurman and made us conclude that he is no longer in his prime or somewhat getting old.

Every boxer sometimes have a not-so-satisfying performance, but we also have to remember that Errol Spence also struggle against an opponent, and that is against Porter when he only won via split decision, many of us think it's because of the injury he committed during a car crashed that's why he is not 100% yet, so it's the same story here. To stop this speculation, I think this fight should happen soon.

I think it's a satisfying fight for Spence, it should be a unanimous decision win against Porter, it was hard fought but I don't think that Porter wins enough round against Thurman.

We can all do our speculation, I'm not sure how you score the fight between Porter vs Thurman? do you see it the same as one of the judges who score it for Porter? How do you score that fight? You not satisfied with his win then?

[chaser15]

It will be decided when they both figthing and already executing their fighting styles.

Correct and agree. The execution of their strategy will be the key to winning.

On who will land a perfect blow at a given exact time will have a chance to win this fight. Keith Thurman already have a set of strategy to begin with and the only thing to think is how to apply it on the fight.

Spence is really a considered dangerous boxer at this point and Thurman is facing a threat that might be more dangerous when he face Pacquiao.

[qwertyup23]

It will be decided when they both figthing and already executing their fighting styles.

Correct and agree. The execution of their strategy will be the key to winning.

On who will land a perfect blow at a given exact time will have a chance to win this fight. Keith Thurman already have a set of strategy to begin with and the only thing to think is how to apply it on the fight.

Spence is really a considered dangerous boxer at this point and Thurman is facing a threat that might be more dangerous when he face Pacquiao.

Boxing is all about the strategy and skill you have to put in the ring. In addition to that, your punching strength/power must be so hard to the point that it will at least faze the enemy in the ring. In the case of Spence vs Thurman, I do believe that Thurman would get this in the bag but he would face so much difficulty given on how technical Spence is.

Though this may be the case, I would like to end this with a famous quote of Tyson:

Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face.

[harizen]

It will be decided when they both figthing and already executing their fighting styles.

Correct and agree. The execution of their strategy will be the key to winning.

On who will land a perfect blow at a given exact time will have a chance to win this fight. Keith Thurman already have a set of strategy to begin with and the only thing to think is how to apply it on the fight.

Spence is really a considered dangerous boxer at this point and Thurman is facing a threat that might be more dangerous when he face Pacquiao.

Boxing is all about the strategy and skill you have to put in the ring. In addition to that, your punching strength/power must be so hard to the point that it will at least faze the enemy in the ring. In the case of Spence vs Thurman, I do believe that Thurman would get this in the bag but he would face so much difficulty given on how technical Spence is.

Though this may be the case, I would like to end this with a famous quote of Tyson:

Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face.

Although I'm looking forward at Keith Thurman winning the fight, it will be hard for him to withstand what Spence is about to bring.

Even most boxing analyst says that Thurman is no chance of winning against Spence at this point.

If only Thurman remains active in boxing after the Pacquiao fight, maybe he has the chance against Spence.

[LUCKMCFLY]

That's what I want to see, but you know, Spence is a durable fighter, he even goes toe to toe against Porter, and seems like nothing happened to him. Well, maybe Thurman is better and has good power as he also beat Porter. I'm expecting to see a toe to toe fight as these fighters are both aggressive, so we might likely see a KO here.

The last time Thurman got a KO was almost 10 years ago, against Jesús Soto Karass. After that, it was a series of UD, SDs and MDs and the (in)famous loss against Manny Pacquiao. Errol Spence Jr. on the other hand, knocked the senses out of Yordenis Ugás in his last fight. More than 75% of his wins have been in KO. I don't know.. maybe there is a good chance that Spence will defeat Thurman by KO. And as expected, Spence starts as a heavy favorite. Odds are -800 for Errol Spence Jr. , and +490 for Keith Thurman.

I do agree, and as we can see Thurman has soften a lot in his last fight against Mario Barrios, we can even call it a mismatch because Barrios is a career 140 lbs fighter who just move up to the division and Thurman performance was not enough close to being a statement win.

While on the other hand Spence just destroyed Ugas who I thought could be a good fight for Spence and should be close. But Ugas fought Spence fight that's why he lost that way. And if Thurman is not 'intelligent' enough to fall for Spence fight, then Errol could score a big knockout down in the middle to late rounds. He is the heavy favorite here, maybe the line will move but not that much.

Well, the speculations are many and we all have hope that the fight will be of another level, on the other hand we can see that Thurman has had many who believe that he could surprise, and yes, it may be, some focus on the previous fights and some may say that Spence has more experience than him, this is something that can happen, here in boxing experience is very valuable, and a large number of things can be generated according to training, but all this takes away from what he can give a closer prediction, I'm still focusing on Spence winning the fight, I don't have much detail on Thurman.