Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[harizen]

That is the downside of this industry, they got the four major bodies to help both camps settle and materialize a fight, and then give the people the entertainment they wanted but instead, these bodies are on the payroll of some influential promoters.

No choice but to go with the flow since boxers have no full control over what they want.

It's been always clear that building a legacy is always associated with the business.

Big Promoters are the ones capable of managing a big fight and that's why they are really an important piece regardless of the boxing politics they are with.

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[goinmerry]

That said, Crawford got not much of a choice but to wait until the time will favor him because even if he will have a fight in super-welter, he can't still meet the title holder because Al Haymon own them.

Being a free agent becomes more worst for him. I think he just keeps up instead with Bob Arum's way of managing him since in the first place, he will get that dream big fight soon under Top Rank. Now that he's a free agent, he now feels the result of not having a good boxing promoter.

For Crawford to settle a deal with Spence, he needs a big boxing promoter, not just to expect a mandatory fight given by the boxing councils.

There's no way he will return to Top Rank and the possible help he can get is to be under the Golden Boy Promotions.

[Japinat]

That said, Crawford got not much of a choice but to wait until the time will favor him because even if he will have a fight in super-welter, he can't still meet the title holder because Al Haymon own them.

Being a free agent becomes more worst for him. I think he just keeps up instead with Bob Arum's way of managing him since in the first place, he will get that dream big fight soon under Top Rank. Now that he's a free agent, he now feels the result of not having a good boxing promoter.

For Crawford to settle a deal with Spence, he needs a big boxing promoter, not just to expect a mandatory fight given by the boxing councils.

There's no way he will return to Top Rank and the possible help he can get is to be under the Golden Boy Promotions.

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

[harizen]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

As Crawford stated last November:

"I just blame the business of boxing. I don't blame myself for [even] one portion of the fight not being made. ... I felt like I agreed to everything that I needed to agree to. "I feel like I've done everything I'm supposed to do as an independent fighter to get that fight made. But there's only so much I can do."

It's clear and he understands as an independent fighter and a free agent that he will just agree to everything regardless if it's fair or not on his side just to make the big bout against Spence will be materialized. But still, the negotiations fail, and what else he can do now? So unfortunate that he ended up like that.

[goinmerry]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

Oscar Dela Hoya seems interested in handling Crawford just for the fight against Spence to happen. Like Bob Arum, Dela Hoya knows that without a big promoter handling Crawford, it's hard to make the fight happened. Let's see if that will happened as there's no progress about that.

News stated that the talks are resumed between Crawford and Spence but talks will remain talks until no big development will happened.

[agustina2]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

As far as I remember, Crawford being under the shadow of Top Rank, he is always actively fighting but the only problem is, Crawford didn't get what he wants of fighting a top-ranked boxer which he wants for a long time. Since he parted ways with Bob, not just he ends up fighting a non-popular boxer but also not active much in the ring compared to his Top Rank days.

Now that wee the outcome of his decision, does his decision to leave Arum, a good choice or not?

[Natalim]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

As far as I remember, Crawford being under the shadow of Top Rank, he is always actively fighting but the only problem is, Crawford didn't get what he wants of fighting a top-ranked boxer which he wants for a long time. Since he parted ways with Bob, not just he ends up fighting a non-popular boxer but also not active much in the ring compared to his Top Rank days.

Now that wee the outcome of his decision, does his decision to leave Arum, a good choice or not?

Although it may not seem like a good decision at the moment, he's still in his prime and could potentially negotiate bigger fights in the future. I'm sure he has no regrets about his decision since staying wouldn't have made him happy. It was a gamble that hasn't paid off yet, but as I mentioned earlier, there's still plenty of time for him to succeed.

[Yaunfitda]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

As far as I remember, Crawford being under the shadow of Top Rank, he is always actively fighting but the only problem is, Crawford didn't get what he wants of fighting a top-ranked boxer which he wants for a long time. Since he parted ways with Bob, not just he ends up fighting a non-popular boxer but also not active much in the ring compared to his Top Rank days.

Now that wee the outcome of his decision, does his decision to leave Arum, a good choice or not?

Although it may not seem like a good decision at the moment, he's still in his prime and could potentially negotiate bigger fights in the future. I'm sure he has no regrets about his decision since staying wouldn't have made him happy. It was a gamble that hasn't paid off yet, but as I mentioned earlier, there's still plenty of time for him to succeed.

In all fairness to Bob, he did try to protect Crawford that time and made him a undisputed champion at 140 lbs. So he did good while Crawford was still under him. But Bob tells the public one time that Crawford is not a PPV star and that might hurt Crawford, pushing him to leave Bob Arum for good.

But after that, he still didn't get the fight he wanted, so we all think that it might be a bad move for him to negotiate with Spence and PBC without any manager and promoter because that's what happen as Haymon wanted to take advantage of that by low balling Crawford.

In the case of Spence though, it seems that they are the one avoiding the biggest fight at 147 lbs and instead now chasing Thurman.

[Fredomago]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

As far as I remember, Crawford being under the shadow of Top Rank, he is always actively fighting but the only problem is, Crawford didn't get what he wants of fighting a top-ranked boxer which he wants for a long time. Since he parted ways with Bob, not just he ends up fighting a non-popular boxer but also not active much in the ring compared to his Top Rank days.

Now that wee the outcome of his decision, does his decision to leave Arum, a good choice or not?

Arum is a money maker handler in terms of big events/fight it was a mistake in my opinion, but the decision behind is only Crawford can answer. For now, Crawford still hasn't got that mega fight against Spence and instead of facing another champ in his same division to unify the belts, Spence might move forward and accept the fight against Thurman without any belt at risk.

A good choice in terms of his own decision, but career wise and money making wise, leaving Arum means to miss those possible quality fights that Arum can provide.

[Kasabus]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

As far as I remember, Crawford being under the shadow of Top Rank, he is always actively fighting but the only problem is, Crawford didn't get what he wants of fighting a top-ranked boxer which he wants for a long time. Since he parted ways with Bob, not just he ends up fighting a non-popular boxer but also not active much in the ring compared to his Top Rank days.

Now that wee the outcome of his decision, does his decision to leave Arum, a good choice or not?

Arum is a money maker handler in terms of big events/fight it was a mistake in my opinion, but the decision behind is only Crawford can answer. For now, Crawford still hasn't got that mega fight against Spence and instead of facing another champ in his same division to unify the belts, Spence might move forward and accept the fight against Thurman without any belt at risk.

A good choice in terms of his own decision, but career wise and money making wise, leaving Arum means to miss those possible quality fights that Arum can provide.

The only reason why Terence Crawford left the promotional company is because he wanted that unification fight happen as he already knew that if he's still with Arum, his chances to make that fight happen is really low because of the political issues in the boxing industry knowing that Bob Arum wouldn't want to settle for less for most cases.

Other than that, Crawford believed that Arum was the only hurdle in making that bout and fell with the hopes that Al Haymon will offer him that bout if he's flying solo but what happened was way more worse than what he expected. Now, he's all alone, and seemingly don't know what to do next.

[Baofeng]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

As far as I remember, Crawford being under the shadow of Top Rank, he is always actively fighting but the only problem is, Crawford didn't get what he wants of fighting a top-ranked boxer which he wants for a long time. Since he parted ways with Bob, not just he ends up fighting a non-popular boxer but also not active much in the ring compared to his Top Rank days.

Now that wee the outcome of his decision, does his decision to leave Arum, a good choice or not?

Arum is a money maker handler in terms of big events/fight it was a mistake in my opinion, but the decision behind is only Crawford can answer. For now, Crawford still hasn't got that mega fight against Spence and instead of facing another champ in his same division to unify the belts, Spence might move forward and accept the fight against Thurman without any belt at risk.

A good choice in terms of his own decision, but career wise and money making wise, leaving Arum means to miss those possible quality fights that Arum can provide.

The only reason why Terence Crawford left the promotional company is because he wanted that unification fight happen as he already knew that if he's still with Arum, his chances to make that fight happen is really low because of the political issues in the boxing industry knowing that Bob Arum wouldn't want to settle for less for most cases.

Other than that, Crawford believed that Arum was the only hurdle in making that bout and fell with the hopes that Al Haymon will offer him that bout if he's flying solo but what happened was way more worse than what he expected. Now, he's all alone, and seemingly don't know what to do next.

Unfortunately for Crawford, that's what happen to him after he left Bob Arum, he thought that he can go solo and talk to Al Haymon just like that to set up the fight with Spence for the unification and get the money that he wanted. But it's different when you are alone specially a high profile fight against one of the top boxing entity right now in Al Haymon.

So it's not just an easy as leaving Top Rank, it has more than that. As Crawford explain further, Al Haymon is talking to someone who is negotiating in behalf of Terrence, unfortunately, he says that the guy wasn't affiliated with him or his team. So that is the first disconnect. And then they talk money and who is going to be involved and Al says no, no other business entity will be involved, except Al Haymon himself, so it means it will be Showtime and others that are connected with PBC and the network. So it's a intricate process and obviously it gobble up and Crawford says no to it.

Although I have been seeing dates for this fight, June 17, but then again, we really don't know if this is true or not.

[carlisle1]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

As far as I remember, Crawford being under the shadow of Top Rank, he is always actively fighting but the only problem is, Crawford didn't get what he wants of fighting a top-ranked boxer which he wants for a long time. Since he parted ways with Bob, not just he ends up fighting a non-popular boxer but also not active much in the ring compared to his Top Rank days.

Now that wee the outcome of his decision, does his decision to leave Arum, a good choice or not?

Although it may not seem like a good decision at the moment, he's still in his prime and could potentially negotiate bigger fights in the future. I'm sure he has no regrets about his decision since staying wouldn't have made him happy. It was a gamble that hasn't paid off yet, but as I mentioned earlier, there's still plenty of time for him to succeed.

It was a gamble on his side, but if he thinks that he's happy about his decision, then maybe he's okay with the fights that
he's getting easy money against unknown or not a kind of his level.

In terms of big event maybe it's not been there yet but he is still the champ and we never know when promoters will bring him what's he is aiming.

Maybe negotiations are already working behind and if it's time, it will come and the schedule will be announced.

[Vaculin]

Maybe negotiations are already working behind and if it's time, it will come and the schedule will be announced.

Talking about that, it's indeed reported that the unification will happen although there's no final announcement about it yet.

Sources revealed to The Ring that the welterweight superfight between IBF, WBA and WBC titlist Errol Spence Jr. and WBO counterpart Terence Crawford to crown an undisputed champion will finally take place in Las Vegas on June 17. It is believed the official announcement will be made at the Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia fight on April 22.

https://www.ringtv.com/651426-sources-the-errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-superfight-appears-set-for-june-17-in-las-vegas/

But the interesting part about that is what Crawford have said after that article was released.

Terence Crawford took to Twitter today to give his two cents on the report of him supposedly fighting Errol Spence Jr on June 17th by telling his 332k followers, “It is April Fools.”

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/04/terence-crawford-throws-cold-water-on-errol-spence-fight-news/

So, this only mean one thing and that the mandatory fight of Errol Spence Jr. vs Keith Thurman at 154 might not happen anymore. There's no official detail though that Spence is indeed fighting either one of the two but considering that this unification is again surfacing, it's safe to say that this bout will not happen anymore because there projected date is nearing already and still no news about it.

[Fredomago]

Yes, instead of making these fights easier to avoid conflicts in politics, Crawford's got the opposite outcome because his decision to leave the stable of Bob Arum seems to become his biggest nightmare now because he's not getting any good deals after that. I don't know what's the plan of Crawford because the last rumor months back was that he might sign under Eddie Hearn but nothing happened until now.

As far as I remember, Crawford being under the shadow of Top Rank, he is always actively fighting but the only problem is, Crawford didn't get what he wants of fighting a top-ranked boxer which he wants for a long time. Since he parted ways with Bob, not just he ends up fighting a non-popular boxer but also not active much in the ring compared to his Top Rank days.

Now that wee the outcome of his decision, does his decision to leave Arum, a good choice or not?

Arum is a money maker handler in terms of big events/fight it was a mistake in my opinion, but the decision behind is only Crawford can answer. For now, Crawford still hasn't got that mega fight against Spence and instead of facing another champ in his same division to unify the belts, Spence might move forward and accept the fight against Thurman without any belt at risk.

A good choice in terms of his own decision, but career wise and money making wise, leaving Arum means to miss those possible quality fights that Arum can provide.

The only reason why Terence Crawford left the promotional company is because he wanted that unification fight happen as he already knew that if he's still with Arum, his chances to make that fight happen is really low because of the political issues in the boxing industry knowing that Bob Arum wouldn't want to settle for less for most cases.

Other than that, Crawford believed that Arum was the only hurdle in making that bout and fell with the hopes that Al Haymon will offer him that bout if he's flying solo but what happened was way more worse than what he expected. Now, he's all alone, and seemingly don't know what to do next.

That's really the risk that he takes thinking that if he will work alone, he may get that offer and will be able to unify the belts but it seems that it takes longer than what he would expect and still even there're negotiations the assurance can't be concluded, remember how Spence avoided Pacquiao it's almost the fight month but he got that reason to avoid Pacquiao, also possible if ever that the negotiations between Spence and Crawford take place.

Spence's camps might bring reasons to cancel the schedule and left Crawford hanging again for his desire for a mega fight.

[btc_angela]

Maybe negotiations are already working behind and if it's time, it will come and the schedule will be announced.

Talking about that, it's indeed reported that the unification will happen although there's no final announcement about it yet.

Sources revealed to The Ring that the welterweight superfight between IBF, WBA and WBC titlist Errol Spence Jr. and WBO counterpart Terence Crawford to crown an undisputed champion will finally take place in Las Vegas on June 17. It is believed the official announcement will be made at the Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia fight on April 22.

https://www.ringtv.com/651426-sources-the-errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-superfight-appears-set-for-june-17-in-las-vegas/

But the interesting part about that is what Crawford have said after that article was released.

Terence Crawford took to Twitter today to give his two cents on the report of him supposedly fighting Errol Spence Jr on June 17th by telling his 332k followers, “It is April Fools.”

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/04/terence-crawford-throws-cold-water-on-errol-spence-fight-news/

So, this only mean one thing and that the mandatory fight of Errol Spence Jr. vs Keith Thurman at 154 might not happen anymore. There's no official detail though that Spence is indeed fighting either one of the two but considering that this unification is again surfacing, it's safe to say that this bout will not happen anymore because there projected date is nearing already and still no news about it.

So it means that we are not sure yet if this fight is going to be made, I mean the superfight between Spence and Crawford as the rumors started to float this April and this could be another of those "April Fools" prank. And there is already a thread about it, but everyone is very skeptics including myself as why the announcement should be made in the Garcia vs Davis fight and not have a separate press conference.

But we haven't heard anything about the update on his fight with Thurman. And same with Errol, he seems to be very quiet right now and there are no media news, as if this is a news blackout if the fight between him and Spence is moving forward or not.

[inthelongrun]

That is the downside of this industry, they got the four major bodies to help both camps settle and materialize a fight, and then give the people the entertainment they wanted but instead, these bodies are on the payroll of some influential promoters.

No choice but to go with the flow since boxers have no full control over what they want.

It's been always clear that building a legacy is always associated with the business.

Big Promoters are the ones capable of managing a big fight and that's why they are really an important piece regardless of the boxing politics they are with.

The presence of DAZN, Showtime, and ESPN where each of these networks has exclusive deals with various promoters somehow affected big fights and supposed mandatories. Although they did create a lot of opportunities in general as these networks established their own superstars. But fighters from different networks especially the big names have difficulties making fights because of the exclusive deals. Unlike before when HBO and Showtime are open to any promoters and fighters. The 4 sanctioning bodies especially the WBA and WBC are more into business as we rarely see these organizations issue a mandatory from different networks to avoid possible issues.

[Hypnosis00]

Spence's camps might bring reasons to cancel the schedule and left Crawford hanging again for his desire for a mega fight.

Spence needs to step up and stop playing games. If his fight against Thurman is canceled, he needs to take on a bigger challenge. The only option for him is Crawford. This fight has been uncertain from the start, as it is a non-title fight and probably not mandatory, which is different from what was previously reported.

[Fredomago]

Spence's camps might bring reasons to cancel the schedule and left Crawford hanging again for his desire for a mega fight.

Spence needs to step up and stop playing games. If his fight against Thurman is canceled, he needs to take on a bigger challenge. The only option for him is Crawford. This fight has been uncertain from the start, as it is a non-title fight and probably not mandatory, which is different from what was previously reported.

Yeah,I remembered that it supposedly a mandatory fight between Spence and Thurman but become a non-title fight which really favoring Spence and now the fight might be cancelled as if I recall it right there's also a negotiation between Spence and Crawford not sure if which fight will take place as Spence's camps are really playing their cards.

For sure, they will take an easy route with decent compensations. We just need to wait for any updates and see if Spence will fight
either Thurman or Crawford, or they will take another fighter.

[Sanitough]

Spence's camps might bring reasons to cancel the schedule and left Crawford hanging again for his desire for a mega fight.

Spence needs to step up and stop playing games. If his fight against Thurman is canceled, he needs to take on a bigger challenge. The only option for him is Crawford. This fight has been uncertain from the start, as it is a non-title fight and probably not mandatory, which is different from what was previously reported.

Yeah,I remembered that it supposedly a mandatory fight between Spence and Thurman but become a non-title fight which really favoring Spence and now the fight might be cancelled as if I recall it right there's also a negotiation between Spence and Crawford not sure if which fight will take place as Spence's camps are really playing their cards.

For sure, they will take an easy route with decent compensations. We just need to wait for any updates and see if Spence will fight
either Thurman or Crawford, or they will take another fighter.

This is great news for boxing if both champions will fight, but unfortunate for Thurman who was hoping for a high-profile bout. Thurman could have saved his career by defeating a champion, but now it appears that he may be left behind if Spence and Crawford finalize the contract.

I hope this time around the split will not be an issue.

[Vaculin]

Maybe negotiations are already working behind and if it's time, it will come and the schedule will be announced.

Talking about that, it's indeed reported that the unification will happen although there's no final announcement about it yet.

Sources revealed to The Ring that the welterweight superfight between IBF, WBA and WBC titlist Errol Spence Jr. and WBO counterpart Terence Crawford to crown an undisputed champion will finally take place in Las Vegas on June 17. It is believed the official announcement will be made at the Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia fight on April 22.

https://www.ringtv.com/651426-sources-the-errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-superfight-appears-set-for-june-17-in-las-vegas/

But the interesting part about that is what Crawford have said after that article was released.

Terence Crawford took to Twitter today to give his two cents on the report of him supposedly fighting Errol Spence Jr on June 17th by telling his 332k followers, “It is April Fools.”

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/04/terence-crawford-throws-cold-water-on-errol-spence-fight-news/

So, this only mean one thing and that the mandatory fight of Errol Spence Jr. vs Keith Thurman at 154 might not happen anymore. There's no official detail though that Spence is indeed fighting either one of the two but considering that this unification is again surfacing, it's safe to say that this bout will not happen anymore because there projected date is nearing already and still no news about it.

So it means that we are not sure yet if this fight is going to be made, I mean the superfight between Spence and Crawford as the rumors started to float this April and this could be another of those "April Fools" prank. And there is already a thread about it, but everyone is very skeptics including myself as why the announcement should be made in the Garcia vs Davis fight and not have a separate press conference.

But we haven't heard anything about the update on his fight with Thurman. And same with Errol, he seems to be very quiet right now and there are no media news, as if this is a news blackout if the fight between him and Spence is moving forward or not.

Yes, no news that any of these fights will actually happen on their projected dates. It's real confusing as well why they have to announce it on other bouts because Tank nor Garcia is not connected to this unification fight. We really don't know what's Errol Spence Jr. and Al Haymon is thinking or what's their deal because they are being silent after the Thurman-Spence fight has been ordered. I got a bad feeling about this one, it might be another trick to buy another time.