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[leea-1334]

Hello everybody,,, sorry for the late response, when I checked last I thought I failed to reach the playoff, so I did not think to read properly, and missed a message from the organizer Trofo. Actually I continue to receive messages from people here,,, I have to say you guys are a big and caring community of gamblers and that is so unique

My team Spurs is reflecting my mind these days, completely out of consideration of big things And I am surprised I did okay in a few pools,,, maybe it is really best to make picks without following too much, otherwise emotions get in charge right?

Thank you for Cro2 and jeremypwr especially for always being around. And to Steve for sure, for funding our fun;) Division 2, here I come 

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[mv1986]

Well if everybody does, i also do. Prize received.

Waiting for season 2. In RG we have our first big surprise Medvedev being Medvedev and losing against a newbie player from qualy. And yesterday in NBA we have another hit, Miami defeating Boston, so they took out seed 1 and 2 being 8 seed, its the second team in history to make his way into the finals being the 8 seed.

There have been a couple of threads discussing AI and how it could influence sports betting when players use it to their own benefit. Like gathering news from the Internet and then come up with suggestions. But I believe there is no way how these results would have been predicted and that is what makes it also interesting for us players. I haven't even read the name of the guy who beat Medvedev ever. When Medvedev took the 2-1 lead, who would have the guts and bet on that qualifier Thiago Seyboth Wild. Beating Medvedev in the first round at the French Open must feel like the GS title already.

[slaman29]

Don't talk to me about Thiem, don't want to remember that blunder. I took him to win when he was 2 sets down @7 and already thought it will be a nice boost to my betting bank

This last year I am learning that if I bet on tennis, I did well live, almost every second time I make prematch I lose. I'm switching my betting in football to try big underdog and it seems a little success there, but never try for tennis, in my mind it's much harder to comeback but yes, horrible start for me, I don't even want to talk about Medvedev.

In RG we have our first big surprise Medvedev being Medvedev and losing against a newbie player from qualy. And yesterday in NBA we have another hit, Miami defeating Boston, so they took out seed 1 and 2 being 8 seed, its the second team in history to make his way into the finals being the 8 seed.

If I remember it was 11x on that newbie player, who will be the most famous guy in his town after this, even if he loses next match (which I bet he will).

I feel like I have to start trying to bet more like buwaytress, it seems very successful but I don't know if he does it only for football.

[buwaytress]

@mv1986 AI's not proven to be very good at all, ChatGPT and other models anyway still need data fed to them (and the latest is only updated as of 2021/22, they don't even know the right rosters for teams The books actually already use their own proprietary software, though it's less AI and more number crunching, that still needs a human to decipher and determine.

@slaman29 Definitely don't do it only in football, but it's the sport I follow the most, and with the most unbalanced odds (20/1 is quite regular, but not so for tennis).

On tennis, though, I tend to take correct scores or handicaps or live, like what Trofo did (take the favourite when they're already down 1 or 2 sets). Djokovic is my intense preference for this kind of live betting.

[mv1986]

@mv1986 AI's not proven to be very good at all, ChatGPT and other models anyway still need data fed to them (and the latest is only updated as of 2021/22, they don't even know the right rosters for teams The books actually already use their own proprietary software, though it's less AI and more number crunching, that still needs a human to decipher and determine.

Yes and AI is missing this intuitive element (for now). Sometimes I place a bet against the odds because I have this feeling that this time the huge favorite could stumble against a seemingly weaker opponent. AI could only be guessing as much as I can because the odds are already against me and the reason for that is that the majority thinks otherwise. That is something AI can't deliver as an output. It could only gather every single piece of information and discussion from all forums on the Internet and get a sentiment as an output. But the whole point when it comes to discussions about sports is the controversy, the different opinions, but also the size of fanbases that would have to be accounted for.

I believe there might be some applications, but I have read all kinds of stuff like AI bots that guarantee winning strategies at the stock market. Assuming this was true (which it isn't), what if tens of thousands of people buy the bot? They would neutralize each others' alphas to zero. But as long as some really believe in this stuff, those who spread misinformation about AI bots creating winning strategies in betting and trading can still earn money from selling their software.

There are also countless events that are unpredictable like in-game injuries, mistakes and red cards and what not.

[darxiaomi]

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[SirJohnVonSlotty]

There are also countless events that are unpredictable like in-game injuries, mistakes and red cards and what not.

From my testing, the only game where AI would be almost always true would be Blackjack, but it would still need some human input, and you could get flagged for card counting.

The books actually already use their own proprietary software, though it's less AI and more number crunching, that still needs a human to decipher and determine.

You would be surprised, there's a lot of historical data and automation involved + what we call "AI" didn't pop out just now, it was there for the past 15 years at least, just a bit less sophisticated.

I remember that back in 2014 we had a group of workers that populated information for an "if>then" script, and then a spintax module with a dictionary database that formed sentences. Obviously there was less crawling of data and more human inputs (especially for player injuries), but it did the job well.

[slaman29]

On tennis, though, I tend to take correct scores or handicaps or live, like what Trofo did (take the favourite when they're already down 1 or 2 sets). Djokovic is my intense preference for this kind of live betting.

Interesting. Live is very difficult for me to do, I mean I add a lot of them to my multibets but it's straight match line bets, the problem is most day time sports is during my work, and when I'm free, internet is bad lol

This is the one I took today, prematch, it's dumb but I never tried before, let's see what happens with just a very small bet

Women's tennis tips anyone?

[cryptofrka]

Welcome to the Season 2 of the BSFL!

We cannot be more excited to see the hype around the league and to see new players joining from the Sportsbet's chat as well.
The bosses are happy too, and they are committed to BSFL for a few more seasons for sure. If you continue to be as active as you were so far, we'll reach the goal of this being a long-term forum competition!
General rules won't change much and you're all aware of them by now. You can read them here for a quick reminder. Most of our new members have tried out the competition already and know their way around it.


Season 2

5.6. – 8.10. (18 weeks) – 14 teams per Divisions 1 and 2 (13 rounds, 1-legged competition + the Cup and playoffs) and an undefined number of players in Division 3 so far (between 20 and 24).
Don't take the end date for granted – it might be a few weeks later (we are entering the summer season with not as much football so we might skip a week or 2 if we're really struggling to post meaningful questions).
We will go through all applications in Division 3 and after carefully evaluating them announce the Division 3 format. We are currently considering a single Division 3 with 20 clubs or 2 Division 3's (A and B) with 12 clubs in each – but might decide on something else entirely. We might even get more people in until the official start of the season.
What we can surely say is that the Divisions are expanding again – meaning that Season 3 will have 16 teams in Division 1, 16 teams in Division 2 and potentially even Division 4 – we'll announce that at the same time as the Division 3 general format. There will be 2 players directly relegated from Divisions 1 and 2, 4 players promoted from Division 2 to Division 1 (3 directly, 1 through playoffs) and 6 players promoted from Division 3 to Division 2 (promotion rules to be announced once we define the format of Division 3).
The format was supposed to be 2-legged in Season 2. We kept it 1-legged, we liked the fast pace of the season 1. We still don't know which format we'll use for Season 3 – but we're quite happy with the current one so might as well keep it going forward. Your feedback here would be appreciated as well.


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5.) If you repeatedly fail to submit the questions on time and in correct format, there's a high chance that we will be forced to remove you from the competition. The competition is becoming more serious and with the plans Sportsbet has for it going forward, we all need to do our part to make it fair and exciting. You were doing that most of the time in Season 1 so we aren't worried, and we thank you for it.

This is also the time for your feedback – we're taking it seriously and want to hear what you all have to say.

We will announce the rewards and Division 3 format until the end of the week.

The questions for the 1st round of Season 2 will be sent latest on Sunday evening.

If someone wants out, now's the time to say so. For the fairness of the competition, everybody from Division 3 that fails to submit the answers in the 1st round will be automatically disqualified.

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[Trofo]

Here are the tables for first 2 divisions.





We are still contemplating how to best organize 3rd division so that one will be finalized before Sunday when questions for round 1 of Season 2 will be live. If somebody wants out from the competition now is the time to let us know.

Prizes are also mostly sorted out but we are still waiting for final approval from Sportsbet so that will also be finalized before we start hopefully. We don't want to miss next week since there is CL final and second week of RG to target with our questions.

[buwaytress]

Nicely done once more Cro2 team; really good to hear that Sportsbet is happy with the results and want to do this for many seasons to come. I personally think it's a great addition to the forum, still a breath of fresh air, and where the most engaged discussions on sports and sportsbetting take place -- that's evidence I'm able to back up too from a personal viewpoint. On occasion, I post on threads I don't really visit. Pose questions, and no one responds, while the thread continues to fill up with meaningless posts that don't carry on in discussions.

That's not the case here, and to see new blood from SB chat (ClubTalk), even better.

Don't really have new feedback, happy with formats and rules. I suppose I still think that to prevent majority draws on some questions, need to introduce an element of risk-reward. When making picks, the risk of choosing an underdog is too high, so you end up going for the favourite (knowing your opponent is likely to do the same).

To explain: why pick the guy with 5/1 odds instead of the guy with 2/1 odds, when you both are fighting for effectively the same point, right? Makes sense in betting because the win is 4x more than the favourite of 2/1, but not in this system where winner just gets the 1 point. That said, perhaps a bit too complex to implement (though I wonder if an Excel wizard could work out the "mean" answer, and highlight those who picked correctly outside of the mean/majority, and reward those with a "tiebreaker card", that maybe could be used for tiebreaker on a H2H draw.

e.g. Say Player A and B end the round tied. But Player B won 1 point by choosing an answer that was outside of a majority answer (maybe 70%+ people choose Verstappen to win a race, but Player B chose Alonso, who wins). Then he gets a tiebreaker card that gives him the tiebreaker win for a question where he draws.

Excel formula might calculate answers to each question. If the question gets a 70% or more of Answer X, that's a potential wild card awarding question. All players who didn't give Answer X, and gets it right, +1 tiebreaker card.

Maybe too complicated, but just something to think about

[slackovic]

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We don't want to miss next week since there is CL final and second week of RG to target with our questions.

Oh goodie... Another tennis question on which many or most of us will fail Just kidding, of course.

I read what buwaytress wrote but I have to admit that I don't understand I guess since I'm not that much into betting, my understanding of the matter is somewhat limited.

Oh yeah. And well done Cro2 team that you didn't go with the 6 month long season. I think it would be too long. This shorter season is much more attractive as every win is important!

[Trofo]

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We don't want to miss next week since there is CL final and second week of RG to target with our questions.

Oh goodie... Another tennis question on which many or most of us will fail Just kidding, of course.

I read what buwaytress wrote but I have to admit that I don't understand I guess since I'm not that much into betting, my understanding of the matter is somewhat limited.

Oh yeah. And well done Cro2 team that you didn't go with the 6 month long season. I think it would be too long. This shorter season is much more attractive as every win is important!

And that is the biggest problem with idea buwaytress proposed. It is great and something that would probably make competition better but we have over 50 players and maybe 10 of them would really understand it from the get go. Then after we repeat the stuff million times maybe half of the participants would really understand it.

Just remember how many times cryptofrka had to explain rules to award free bets and it is much simpler than this. Maybe we will implement it in some way directly in the question which should be straightforward. For instance we ask who will play in RG final and if you chose Alcaraz or Djoković and they get there each gets you only a point. If you choose another top 10 player you get maybe 1.5 and if you choose somebody like Seyboth Wild you get 3 points. Meaning long odds but basically guarantees you a win on question if it comes. But that will make questions much longer to read trough. We will think about it definitely.

@buwaytress try to think a way to "dumb" it down to get parts of your idea but that implementation is straight forward and self explanatory.

[cryptofrka]

Don't really have new feedback, happy with formats and rules. I suppose I still think that to prevent majority draws on some questions, need to introduce an element of risk-reward. When making picks, the risk of choosing an underdog is too high, so you end up going for the favourite (knowing your opponent is likely to do the same).

To explain: why pick the guy with 5/1 odds instead of the guy with 2/1 odds, when you both are fighting for effectively the same point, right? Makes sense in betting because the win is 4x more than the favourite of 2/1, but not in this system where winner just gets the 1 point. That said, perhaps a bit too complex to implement (though I wonder if an Excel wizard could work out the "mean" answer, and highlight those who picked correctly outside of the mean/majority, and reward those with a "tiebreaker card", that maybe could be used for tiebreaker on a H2H draw.

To add to this - we really try to offer pairs that would generally carry the same odds - specifically so that players don't choose the easy way out.
For tennis questions that is impossible because we have to post questions way in advance and often we don't even know the draw at time of creating it - you know it because you answer 2 days later.
Tennis is far too important to skip, so we're still trying to manage it - tennis is the biggest problem by far.

Rewarding outside picks is a great idea in theory - but one we really cannot implement in the current format. We do like it, and have it in the back of our minds though.

[casperBGD]

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For tennis questions that is impossible because we have to post questions way in advance and often we don't even know the draw at time of creating it - you know it because you answer 2 days later.
Tennis is far too important to skip, so we're still trying to manage it - tennis is the biggest problem by far.

for start, I do think that it is a great competition, and congrats to Sportsbet and Cro2 for organizing it, maybe it is too many times repeated, but it is a great show

have few suggestions, maybe just shitposting, for tennis:
- not sure why you are trying same question type - who will reach SF/F, that lead to draws and picking favorites
- maybe you can lean towards questions as in the beginning, will top favorite take the tournaments, and how many sets he will lost?
- and if there isn't top favorite (at the moment, we have two top players), maybe what they will do combined, as example:

will Djokovic or Alcaraz win the tournament, and how many sets they will lost on doing it, combined:
- Djokovic will win, losing up to three sets (three included)
- Alcaraz will win, losing up to three sets (three included)
- Djokovic will win, losing more than three sets
- Alcaraz will win, losing more than three sets
- neither will win
or similar with a number of sets played in QF, SF and F combined (all matches), as you were putting for Bundesliga matches

[Renato297]

In South America next week we have the Copa Libertadores is the first important tournament and the Copa Sudamericana is the second important tournament, gameweek 5 will be played, the Copa Libertadores is the same as the UCL format and the Copa Sudamericana is the same as the UEL format, maybe you could consider it for the questions

[Jinetics1111]

Here are the tables for first 2 divisions.





We are still contemplating how to best organize 3rd division so that one will be finalized before Sunday when questions for round 1 of Season 2 will be live. If somebody wants out from the competition now is the time to let us know.

Prizes are also mostly sorted out but we are still waiting for final approval from Sportsbet so that will also be finalized before we start hopefully. We don't want to miss next week since there is CL final and second week of RG to target with our questions.

Man, disappointed I lacked mental fortitude and grit to be apart of Division 2. But that will get the fire going for season 2, can't wait hope ya'll enjoying your rewards and time off. And speaking of Tennis, these underdogs have been barking loud, I did have bets on Seyboth Wild yesterday, and now with Altamaier although that was a rough sweat. Keep a look out for those dogs.

[Trofo]

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For tennis questions that is impossible because we have to post questions way in advance and often we don't even know the draw at time of creating it - you know it because you answer 2 days later.
Tennis is far too important to skip, so we're still trying to manage it - tennis is the biggest problem by far.

for start, I do think that it is a great competition, and congrats to Sportsbet and Cro2 for organizing it, maybe it is too many times repeated, but it is a great show

have few suggestions, maybe just shitposting, for tennis:
- not sure why you are trying same question type - who will reach SF/F, that lead to draws and picking favorites
- maybe you can lean towards questions as in the beginning, will top favorite take the tournaments, and how many sets he will lost?
- and if there isn't top favorite (at the moment, we have two top players), maybe what they will do combined, as example:

will Djokovic or Alcaraz win the tournament, and how many sets they will lost on doing it, combined:
- Djokovic will win, losing up to three sets (three included)
- Alcaraz will win, losing up to three sets (three included)
- Djokovic will win, losing more than three sets
- Alcaraz will win, losing more than three sets
- neither will win
or similar with a number of sets played in QF, SF and F combined (all matches), as you were putting for Bundesliga matches

That type of question has one setback but it is a big one. We are making questions on Sunday when draws aren't even made sometimes and deadline is up to Tuesday. What happens if our chosen favorite gets eliminated before the deadline? We like to make bulletproof questions and it is very hard to do so for sports like tennis if we want to keep giving you at least 48 hours to give answers. But granted it isn't big risk and it can work in ATP500 tournaments when favorites sometimes have first match on Wednesday.

In South America next week we have the Copa Libertadores is the first important tournament and the Copa Sudamericana is the second important tournament, gameweek 5 will be played, the Copa Libertadores is the same as the UCL format and the Copa Sudamericana is the same as the UEL format, maybe you could consider it for the questions

Will include them for sure, especially in these weeks where we don't have top European leagues anymore.

[mv1986]

To add to this - we really try to offer pairs that would generally carry the same odds - specifically so that players don't choose the easy way out.
For tennis questions that is impossible because we have to post questions way in advance and often we don't even know the draw at time of creating it - you know it because you answer 2 days later.
Tennis is far too important to skip, so we're still trying to manage it - tennis is the biggest problem by far.

Rewarding outside picks is a great idea in theory - but one we really cannot implement in the current format. We do like it, and have it in the back of our minds though.

@buwaytress has a good point here but implementation really isn't that easy. I have had the situation quite often where I first figured out what the safest point is and then concentrated on getting some edge in the questions that are left. The neutralization is an issue, but since it is still the same for everyone, it's still not that bad.

@Trofo's suggestion is good in terms of the "dumbing" down the idea to something that could be pretty much self-understanding. I think implementing it in the question itself could be one way to do it. One question is perhaps enough because it adds one element of potential differentiation.

@cryptofrka is also right as I can tell that I had quite some struggles at times to pick my answers, thinking back and forth what would make more sense. The questions are mostly quite tough and not obvious regarding the results. But what about adding an element to the tennis question when you don't only have to pick the finalists and the winner, but also some realistically doable specification. Like "Will Djokovic, if he reaches the final, have dropped X, >X or <X sets?". I know you guys sometimes had that as a question itself, but you could still use it as an additional item that makes it more likely to get different responses in total.

I did make the count of draws for the respective divisions:

Div1: 66 games and 16 draws
Div2: 66 games and 9 draws
Div3: 55 games and 14 draws

This makes a total of 39 draws out of 187 games. I think this ratio is still more than ok.

@buwaytress, don't dare to say that div 1 has most draws because there are the most pros! Div 2 undermines that logic!

Just a bit joking here, but if we can come up with something that is really doable also for Trofo and cryptofrka, I would be all for it. I think you guys also said you want to expand the competition. Keeping it simple is the way to go I guess.

@buwaytress, even with an excel wizard you would also have to specify a lot of rules right? Like when someone picks an outcome that is 5:1, would that be less points than someone picking 10:1? Which odds would be taken? Sportsbet.io? At what point in time? Even with thresholds something could go wrong if it changes right after a question has been phrased.


Edit: oops, casperBGD, I didn't want to copy your suggestion. I typed my answer after I read cryptfrka's response. I apologize.

[casperBGD]

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or similar with a number of sets played in QF, SF and F combined (all matches), as you were putting for Bundesliga matches

That type of question has one setback but it is a big one. We are making questions on Sunday when draws aren't even made sometimes and deadline is up to Tuesday. What happens if our chosen favorite gets eliminated before the deadline? We like to make bulletproof questions and it is very hard to do so for sports like tennis if we want to keep giving you at least 48 hours to give answers. But granted it isn't big risk and it can work in ATP500 tournaments when favorites sometimes have first match on Wednesday.
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agree about that, it is not bulletproof, but that can influence this type of questions that you currently have as well (top favorite being out putting people that answering closer to deadline in advantage)

what about this second part, with number of sets combined in QF, SF, F, that is more for GS as this one, you have seven matches and options from 21 to 35, granted below 25 and more than 31 will rarely be a case, but one can find some sweat spot for answers:
below 24, 25-26, than 27-28, 29-30, and 31 and above for example (not sure when QF for RG are scheduled, but should be Wednesday, not Tuesday?)

edit: IMO, more than two options are great for each answer, when there are two (Yes/No), there is also a lot of draws/same answers
correct me if wrong @buwaytress but I think you had few rounds with almost all answers same and competition finished on mid-week (winner known due to one/two different answers already resolved)?