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[Ulven]

Let the games begin, and may this season be filled with intense competition, thrilling moments, and camaraderie with fellow BTT’s sports enthusiasts. Enjoy the journey!   
It will be exciting to follow the Copa Libertadores tournament and watch some matches, especially during this stage when most European leagues are on a break.

[notblox1]

This is also the time for your feedback – we're taking it seriously and want to hear what you all have to say.

Maybe it is possible to use Superbru or some other website to make all questions and answers instead of google forms.
Most of us have accounts there and others could easily create them, but if I am late with this suggestion maybe we could do this starting from third Season BSFL.
One more suggestion is to create bonus points for people who send answers earlier, that would be positive incentive instead of punishing people who post questions late.
Some people are waiting last moments to submit questions because they are waiting to see injured players and news, that is why people who send answers first should be rewarded.

We are still contemplating how to best organize 3rd division so that one will be finalized before Sunday when questions for round 1 of Season 2 will be live. If somebody wants out from the competition now is the time to let us know.

There are a lot of players in Division 3 and it wont be easy to keep up with first two division, maybe you should have early play off matches that would cut off some players earlier.
I am also proposing to always add one bonus question in each round, in case any other game is canceled that would count instead and it can be used to decide winners when two players have same points.
One more thing, summer is coming and there will be less sports events but we can replace that with prediction for Bitcoin blocks or Bitcoin price.

[buwaytress]

Yeah, I knew even as I was typing that it seems "nice" on paper, harder to simplify for implementation. I'm 100% on board with simplicity, that's the strength of BSFL I feel, but even following some of the rounds (which I do even when am not playing for points, it's that interesting haha), I feel like there really should be a small but clear advantage to people who pick outside of the box.

Tennis does seem to be the most, but also from memory (maybe I'm wrong), lineup picks and NBA points. Of course, as there is no reward for outlier picks, most of us go with stats and pick the top scorers, right? Some really good mid-scorers looked attractive as an outsider pick, but when playing for the same points, then you don't think too hard and go for the ones with best averages, who are often way above the middle-scorers.

IIRC in IO, Trofo and maybe a couple of others were the only ones who went for Rune in one of the tennis as finalists, I thought that was inspired and deserved some kind of half point haha.

And in a previous ATP, someone else also was the only one to pick one right non-favourite finalist -- yet they ended up drawing (I think because the other finalist was wrong). Such a big risk to take, and it didn't pay off. Maybe a further tiebreaker section for tennis, I agree it's way too important to skip: add something like: Number of games?

@casperBGD indeed, there was a round where everything was settled on the first 14 hours or so, as Igehh and I picked same answers everything else, but that was probably more luck than us choosing the favs. I can't remember, honestly.

@mv1986 the draws we were thinking of were on particular questions, rather than on round outcomes If you go back, tennis questions are the worst culprit, with only a handful of greens on some, and at least one question where it was a yellow (draw) for everyone, again if my memory serves me. This is the issue I believe, where the question feels redundant, if everyone's going to answer the same (and those who answer different anyway don't win).

[Harkorede]

The last edition was near perfect for me, but as the saying goes there is always room for improvement, my only observation would have been proper wording of each question, but as I've noticed sometimes that decoding the question itself is part of the answer so, I'm good with that and given the penalty for those late submission is another good implementation imo, I've seen potential several sports that are likely to be added, from the conversations here so far, but there haven't been much or any talk about eSports like CS:GO, I know for a fact here some of us from the forum do switch to those eSport during off season of football and I remember having Dota2 question during one of those weeks, can we expect some of the same in these periods too ?

[famososMuertos]

I think that for a new season, the one who achieves zero in losses should have the right to a trip to watch a game in the PL and the one who gets zero in "W" should carry their bags.

Another point that has been touched on here, AI, we have them are called Slissy V. 1.0.0, slackovic V.1.2.0 and Woodie V.0.2.1.

On the other hand, a plate should be awarded to the best division or all its players should be entitled to a wild card.
Div2: 209 points.
Div1: 182 points.
Div3: 150 points.

That shows that Div 2 is the most competitive, hyper-against-mega cool.

Perhaps this does not add much to what the league commissioner expects, but it means that we only wait for the initial whistle, the kickoff, the flag... etc-sports*.
*⚽⚾🏂🏃🏄🎾🏀🏁🏈🏊🐲

[mv1986]

I think that for a new season, the one who achieves zero in losses should have the right to a trip to watch a game in the PL and the one who gets zero in "W" should carry their bags.

Another point that has been touched on here, AI, we have them are called Slissy V. 1.0.0, slackovic V.1.2.0 and Woodie V.0.2.1.

On the other hand, a plate should be awarded to the best division or all its players should be entitled to a wild card.
Div2: 209 points.
Div1: 182 points.
Div3: 150 points.

That shows that Div 2 is the most competitive, hyper-against-mega cool.

Perhaps this does not add much to what the league commissioner expects, but it means that we only wait for the initial whistle, the kickoff, the flag... etc-sports*.
*⚽⚾🏂🏃🏄🎾🏀🏁🏈🏊🐲

Better be careful with that idea, some might value the trip to a game in the PL a lot and it makes it worth it lose every single round


Keep in mind here that division 3 had 11 games less than division 1 and 2. But when you take the points average the order is still the right one, though division 1 and division 3 are almost equal whereas division 2 indeed performed significantly better! @slackovic dominated hard and @vd309 as well, being better as the 1st of both other divisions.
I hope I won't pull down the points average in the upcoming seasons or division 2

[arallmuus]

Maybe it is possible to use Superbru or some other website to make all questions and answers instead of google forms.

Why bother with this though. I personally think google forms is pretty simple and neat already

One more suggestion is to create bonus points for people who send answers earlier, that would be positive incentive instead of punishing people who post questions late.
Some people are waiting last moments to submit questions because they are waiting to see injured players and news, that is why people who send answers first should be rewarded.

I think it is essentially part of the game and that really makes it different when someone is actually trying to play to win compared to someone that play for fun. If there is actually extra merit on submitting early then everyone would submit in early which is kinda weird. I dont think its fair to 'punish' someone that done their fair share of research then submit answers in the last minute.

[Harkorede]

One more suggestion is to create bonus points for people who send answers earlier, that would be positive incentive instead of punishing people who post questions late.
Some people are waiting last moments to submit questions because they are waiting to see injured players and news, that is why people who send answers first should be rewarded.

I think it is essentially part of the game and that really makes it different when someone is actually trying to play to win compared to someone that play for fun. If there is actually extra merit on submitting early then everyone would submit in early which is kinda weird. I dont think its fair to 'punish' someone that done their fair share of research then submit answers in the last minute.

Yeah, I don't think there should be any punishment for those who submit right before the deadline, so far it's even just a second before the deadline, neither should there be a reward for submitting a early the essence of the 48 hours is do proper research and submitting early might eliminate a lot of information which in the end basically just gives some free point/advantage that is not so different from submitting late as well.

I believe it's best not to overcomplicate things and just go with usual rule of deadlines as it works in all the sports betting we are accustomed too, you don't get any advantage for submitted your predictions early and even in FPL making a transfer way too early could even be detrimental to your team.

[Strongkored]

Many suggestions are given here, I'm sure Trofo and Cryptofrka will implement which one is best for the second season which will soon start, especially with the increase in the number of participants in division 3 which will make the work of checking answers every week take longer than before.
Waiting for questions at the French Open is not only for men but also for women because Iga Swiatek will get a pretty strong competitor this year from Aryna Sabalenka and most likely Elena Rybakina.

[slaman29]

So good to be back soon to this. I still feel very hurt from last season not being able to win a single game, so I need to make up for it in Season 2 now!

However, if everyone agrees with famososMuertos suggestion than I would have won a prize already to carry Slissy's bags to the stadium lol Too bad to make that happen someone has to deal with my internal travel issue, which is more difficult than money  

I like the idea of early submissions bonus too, like Superbru Early Bru points in F1. It rewards people who don't wait for qualification results. You can still submit "late" for a different advantage, but lose the bonus. It makes a lot of sense.

[slackovic]

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I like the idea of early submissions bonus too, like Superbru Early Bru points in F1. It rewards people who don't wait for qualification results. You can still submit "late" for a different advantage, but lose the bonus. It makes a lot of sense.

I don't have anything against rewarding people for early submissions. But those who voids their first couple of questions by submitting the answers after the deadline should be punished somehow. I like the idea of deducting points for those who submit their answers after the deadline. I understand that people mostly don't do it intentionally, but it gives an unfair advantage to the opponent for that week because he/she gets a free point or two.

[cryptofrka]

I read through most of these, here are some overviews:

edit: IMO, more than two options are great for each answer, when there are two (Yes/No), there is also a lot of draws/same answers
correct me if wrong @buwaytress but I think you had few rounds with almost all answers same and competition finished on mid-week (winner known due to one/two different answers already resolved)?

We plan to always have some 'easy' questions - the goal is to aim for 4-6 correct answers per player. The Yes/No questions are here to stay but there are usually 1 or 2 such questions per round.
Regarding the second point - that's something we don't want to see but is more random than initially thought - we did the analysis on that.

We had over 200 H2H duels (including the cup) - and it really does not happen that often. Also - there are rarely questions where players pick 70%+ of the same outcomes - which is something we are trying to avoid and are happy to see that it does not happen often.
mv1986 made the analysis for draws - we are thrilled with the percentage because it's really close to the 'real' football draw percentage - and that's exactly what we were trying to achieve.

Maybe it is possible to use Superbru or some other website to make all questions and answers instead of google forms.

Not possible - we can't manage H2H questions or penalty questions and can't do the cup there. Also we couldn't calculate the weekly freebets correctly.
Google forms are easy to use and Excel helps us tremendously when analyzing.
It also lets you see easily what your opponent picked - which would take a lot more time on a page like Superbru.

One more suggestion is to create bonus points for people who send answers earlier, that would be positive incentive instead of punishing people who post questions late.
Some people are waiting last moments to submit questions because they are waiting to see injured players and news, that is why people who send answers first should be rewarded.

It would lead to too much guessing (especially in tennis) - which we fully want to avoid.
Use all the data that you can until the deadline, if you're late you will get a small penalty and that's it.

There are a lot of players in Division 3 and it wont be easy to keep up with first two division, maybe you should have early play off matches that would cut off some players earlier.
I am also proposing to always add one bonus question in each round, in case any other game is canceled that would count instead and it can be used to decide winners when two players have same points.
One more thing, summer is coming and there will be less sports events but we can replace that with prediction for Bitcoin blocks or Bitcoin price.

If we run 2 Divisions 3, then no worries. If we run one, we'll have double rounds during some weeks. We want to have a big playerbase, so most who want to play will be able to.
Bonus questions won't be introduced unless we see that we're having a lot of cancelled games, it happened only once I think in Season 1.

Only sports questions will ever be in BSFL - so no Eurosong, Oscars, presidential elections or BTC prices

Yeah, I knew even as I was typing that it seems "nice" on paper, harder to simplify for implementation. I'm 100% on board with simplicity, that's the strength of BSFL I feel, but even following some of the rounds (which I do even when am not playing for points, it's that interesting haha), I feel like there really should be a small but clear advantage to people who pick outside of the box.

Tennis does seem to be the most, but also from memory (maybe I'm wrong), lineup picks and NBA points. Of course, as there is no reward for outlier picks, most of us go with stats and pick the top scorers, right? Some really good mid-scorers looked attractive as an outsider pick, but when playing for the same points, then you don't think too hard and go for the ones with best averages, who are often way above the middle-scorers.

Tennis questions will surely be revised - we know how you bet. When you're not familiar with something, you just look at the odds and pick the favorites.
We implemented some great questions in theory (NBA scorers, 5 football goalscorers..) but were quite unlucky with the games - they had bizarre outcomes so the questions ended mostly with draws as well.

We plan to game a bit more with such questions, but will try to make them a bit more bulletproof to weird outcomes. We do need to have some H2H questions (we like these) and it's hard to write these because most of you are taking the 'easy' way out. We'll find a way though

[Trofo]

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I like the idea of early submissions bonus too, like Superbru Early Bru points in F1. It rewards people who don't wait for qualification results. You can still submit "late" for a different advantage, but lose the bonus. It makes a lot of sense.

I don't have anything against rewarding people for early submissions. But those who voids their first couple of questions by submitting the answers after the deadline should be punished somehow. I like the idea of deducting points for those who submit their answers after the deadline. I understand that people mostly don't do it intentionally, but it gives an unfair advantage to the opponent for that week because he/she gets a free point or two.

There will not be a reward for early submissions. Point is to allow all time zones and busy people enough time to get their answers for every single round. Life would be much easier for us and tennis questions would be much better if we had a time frame of 2 hours instead 48hours for you guys to give answers.

And I don't really see why draws are a problem? As cryptofrka said we aimed to get real football results spread and if anything we have too little draws I agree they are a problem in H2H questions where we ask for multiple players and everybody gives same answer. We will try to remedy that.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

So good to be back soon to this. I still feel very hurt from last season not being able to win a single game, so I need to make up for it in Season 2 now!

Fear not my relegation brother, we will rise like a phoenix from the ashes and get promoted to division 1 (well that’s the plan any way.

Looking forward to hopefully doing much better in season 2.

[buwaytress]

@famososMuertos @mv1986 I agree Div2 is pretty damned impressive for getting the most points, but on the other hand, it suggests poorer opponents. One might argue that the division with the most points dropped is actually the toughest (most competitive), since matches are always so tight -- in which case Div3 is actually the most competitive league in the maiden season

On competency (how good players are) Average Goals Scored would be the better indicator, since you need to get a question right, or answer more accurately than the opponent, to score a point. You'll see that Div1 (40.08) and Div2 (40.67) are much closer in that aspect (though Div2 still comes up on top). Div3 is significantly lower in that regard, with only 402 goals (36.55 average) scored.

Didn't adjust numbers for late answers or missed rounds... I believe that only happened in Div3?

@Strongkored I have Ons Jabeur Quarter 2 outright at almost 4/1, women's didn't have an outright winner market when I checked, might be available after today, I'd definitely double down on her. Not expected to win so soon after recovery but I like the odds.

P.S. For all those who don't use social media, or Telegram (I know some people who simply don't), please use LoyceV's notifier. It's really easy to setup, you can even bookmark the link and see notifications in your browser.

[cryptofrka]

On competency (how good players are) Average Goals Scored would be the better indicator, since you need to get a question right, or answer more accurately than the opponent, to score a point. You'll see that Div1 (40.08) and Div2 (40.67) are much closer in that aspect (though Div2 still comes up on top). Div3 is significantly lower in that regard, with only 402 goals (36.55 average) scored.

Didn't adjust numbers for late answers or missed rounds... I believe that only happened in Div3?

Nice analysis - with 1 mistake though.
Div3 has a 40.2 average - it had 1 round less to play.

If you take player averages - Division 3 has 2 players in the top 3.
The best would be slackovic with a 4.63 average, followed by Woodie (4.6) and myself (4.5).

I think nobody else is above 4.28.

[Woodie]

On competency (how good players are) Average Goals Scored would be the better indicator, since you need to get a question right, or answer more accurately than the opponent, to score a point. You'll see that Div1 (40.08) and Div2 (40.67) are much closer in that aspect (though Div2 still comes up on top). Div3 is significantly lower in that regard, with only 402 goals (36.55 average) scored.

Didn't adjust numbers for late answers or missed rounds... I believe that only happened in Div3?

Nice analysis - with 1 mistake though.
Div3 has a 40.2 average - it had 1 round less to play.

If you take player averages - Division 3 has 2 players in the top 3.
The best would be slackovic with a 4.63 average, followed by Woodie (4.6) and myself (4.5).

I think nobody else is above 4.28.

Thanks cryptofrka for the correction!

it's funny how everybody has missed this fine detail that Division 3 had played a round less than other divisions and gone further to label it the weakest , ouch that hurt

Otherwise all i can say, D3 was definitely super competitive, and no one can take that away.

Hope whoever goes into Division 3 from the top league wins it easy to prove their point on its low competency, otherwise goodluck 

[Coin_trader]

I’m very excited on this new season. I already re-installed again my notification bot on telegram just to make sure I won’t miss the submission. I will try my best to keep up and climb ranks despite I’m not familiar on football categories. It’s good thing that BSFL is well balanced sports quiz tournament.

LFG!

[goodpunt]

Thanks for letting me in
Only reason why I didn't apply for Season 1 was because of my Bitcointalk Member Status.

Would be fantastic if Royal Ascot can be covered too

[jeremypwr]

I’m not familiar on football categories. It’s good thing that BSFL is well balanced sports quiz tournament.
LFG!

Neither am I; which is why I'm still surprised I took 2nd place in Season 1 despite 75% of the questions (83/110) being about football