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March 28, 2013, 08:54:52 AM
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We should not forget, that when talking about bitmarket.eu and m4v3r in person, we are still also talking about the following acts, which can be considered criminal:

-misuse of user`s funds
-theft
-running a business without registering
-delaying bankruptcy/insolvency

Two days ago eurid.eu disclosed the requested address to me. So someone may prepare to answer some questions at his local police station quite soon.

@m4v3r: Constantly refering to how hard you work, does not bring you back any credibility, because millions of people also work hard (and even harder than you), without defrauding anybody.

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March 28, 2013, 09:12:32 AM
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This is ridiculous.


He misused user funds for sure, but he did not STEAL them and did not lose them intentionally.

He did not run a business, as he never intended to make any profit with the site. He just provided a FREE private forum where users could exchange bitcoins peer 2 peer, he was not even involved in any money transactions at all. It was his hobby, a good contribution for the community (in the past) and for that it was a pretty good site, until this tragic loss of user funds happened for which he now undertakes every effort possible to recover the losses it caused for some users.

Also in the LEGAL sense he is NOT bankrupt, as he got the consent of his community to pay back his debts over time. In case you have a provable claim against him and you do not agree to our plan(s), just send the claim to him and i am sure he will pay you out your 30 euros in FIAT when you make some preassure with a good lawyer ;-)

The main creditors like me, makhul etc. which have LOT OF frozen coins do not demand any money back at this point in time. We prefer to use this opportunity to form a skilled team to open a new and better service within a proper company framework

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March 28, 2013, 09:17:13 AM
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Also in the LEGAL sense he is NOT bankrupt, as he got the consent of his community to pay back his debts over time.
This is ridiculous!

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March 28, 2013, 09:18:55 AM
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he is not officially in any bankrupt status as far as I know

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March 28, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
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I cant believe this is still ongoing.
One of the first things which would need to be whacked on the bench in court are the "Terms and Conditions" for using the side. Now let me guess nobody can produce them which means m4v3r can show any piece of paper he likes to show the terms and conditions. If the small print on the original side anywhere mentions something like "use at one risk" or "i agree that my bitcoins get used, up-used bend over backwards....."  or "every two years all coins be collected as payment for the entertainment provided..... " or any other bullsh*t story he likes to think up. Point is with empty hands its hard to win any legal argument.
If nothing else it was certainly a steep learning curve for all.

I almost get the impression that this is some decoy to waste some resources and manpower to get the focus away from the "legal" robbery which takes 40 years of hard work from pensioners savings.
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March 28, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
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we all know it was a wrongdoing to use the coins in any other way than to just "keep them protected" on the site.

However, we now have a good plan to reopen the website and we will try our best to give maciej a chance to pay back his wrongdoings, i think that is a FAR better solution than any court case for all of us

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March 28, 2013, 02:15:43 PM
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Total balance: 2.008 BTC

and now ?

I don't understand your question. You're among the people who had Bitcoins deposited before the hack occurred (the 620 BTC that were stolen). So you will be reimbursed in the first batch like the rest of people in the same situation. This has nothing to do with what I described above (few people that deposited bitcoins AFTER the hack).

@eiskalt, becoin: We can sit here all day and bark at each other or waste time explaining to police what Bitcoin is, or you can let me do my stuff to repair the damage that was done. What sounds more reasonable? Which option will end up with reimbursing the users? It's true that there are many people that probably work harder than me. But it's also true that there are many people who did more damage and don't give a damn about it. I do, and I'm doing what I can to sort this out.

Update: If you get a certificate warning when visiting Bitmarket.eu don't worry, everything is fine. Our  certificate provider - GlobeSSL - did not register our renewal request, even though the certificate was paid for.

On related note, because of these issues, we don't recommend this company if you're looking for SSL cert.

Update 2: New certificate installed, warnings should disappear now.
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April 02, 2013, 11:47:56 AM
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I still think that there will be no refund, it's just a jack ass
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April 03, 2013, 05:06:54 PM
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I still think that there will be no refund, it's just a jack ass

I am one of the Bitalo investors and I can tell you that there will be refunds as soon as the new platform is up.

Bitalo.com coming soon!

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April 09, 2013, 08:54:43 AM
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I still think that there will be no refund, it's just a jack ass

I am one of the Bitalo investors and I can tell you that there will be refunds as soon as the new platform is up.

when it is up?
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April 09, 2013, 09:46:36 AM
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best of luck!
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April 09, 2013, 11:01:46 AM
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best of luck!

Huh
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April 09, 2013, 12:47:35 PM
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The opening date is somewhere may hopefully (lets not do the BFL approach)

We have now settled financial and contractual issues and we will sign the contracts end of April with the notary in germany, we just need to find a date where everybody has time. After that we will pay in the capital and after that we can start as soon as we are listed in the german trade registry.

Sorry this is all not so easy and still many barriers are ahead, but we are on a good way.

Thanks for your patience :-)


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April 09, 2013, 03:35:28 PM
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lol

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April 11, 2013, 05:07:51 PM
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Will refunds be switched from december 21st USD value to december 21st BTC value when the price drops below 10 USD? Cheesy
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April 11, 2013, 05:09:43 PM
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before the price drops below THAT i will buy them all *g

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April 12, 2013, 11:52:00 PM
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before the price drops below THAT i will buy them all *g

i hope you bought just a few bitcoins because the price will rise.. so you can make profits and pay back the money (bitmarket.eu debts)

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April 13, 2013, 03:14:06 PM
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well, we want to emphasize it is NOT within the investors responsibility to pay back bitmarket.eu debts. We just want to give a possibility to the admin to do so.

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April 14, 2013, 06:11:57 AM
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For logged in users a new "Updates" section has been added. Please check it regularly for new updates about the situation.
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April 18, 2013, 06:52:07 PM
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there are news?
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