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[TryNinja]

Ignoring and avoiding giving an answer is also a very bad approach. Obviously, in this case, stormbounty wants a direct answer from the service itself, not from the members of the forum.
Information is very important, even negative information is still information and users can plan the next steps based on it. This is how the drama drags on indefinitely and it seems that it can last for months.

An answer was given.

Lost the key = lost the coins; UNLESS the community thinks otherwise.

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[JollyGood]

Completely wrong solution. Whirlwind is not a community service. It is centralized, there is an owner who invests money, who at some point will take the profit (only for himself, and any campaign is just a marketing expense). It should also take responsibility for management and decision-making.
Transferring a "controversial" decision to the community is actually running away from responsibility, which is not a good way of running a business.

I agree, Whirlwind should make a decision in cases such as these and set a precedent but all the while keeping the option open for exceptional circumstances. This matter (it appears) is not an exceptional circumstance in their view otherwise Whirlwind would probably have settled it by now.

Ignoring and avoiding giving an answer is also a very bad approach. Obviously, in this case, stormbounty wants a direct answer from the service itself, not from the members of the forum.
Information is very important, even negative information is still information and users can plan the next steps based on it. This is how the drama drags on indefinitely and it seems that it can last for months.

An answer was given.

Lost the key = lost the coins; UNLESS the community thinks otherwise.

That is about it with not much more to add because he lost his private key of his own volition no matter what he alleges happened and to cover that aspect Whirlwind have suggested community consensus.

Maybe stormbounty should consider accepting the loss and move forward with his life.

[stompix]

UNLESS the community thinks otherwise.

And this will make sure things will never end with this single issue alone, not counting possible future ones!

I wanted to stay out of this because, well, I did use WW outside my sig funds, I'm getting paid by their campaign so one would start reading my reply with the thought I'm biased, but now in all seriousness, this needs to end here as we have a damn single thing covering pages over pages and not going anywhere. So, what do we do, do we have a vote now? Do we come together every single time there is an issue like this and hold a vote?

I do sympathize a bit with the user just as you sympathize with the guy that runs his car into a wall by mistaking the gears despite being his complete fault but from WW point of view it will be bad even if they try to make up for it now, if they pay him it's like they've paid him to shut up, they will open Pandora's box with it with a lot of trying to get some $ this way, so, can we end this now?

[dkbit98]

This is what I mean when I say all of you signature campaign participants are (obviously) biased and replying in bad faith

Not  true, and I didn't notice anyone doing that here.
I had no affiliation with Whirlwind whatsoever and I criticized your behavior, but I also stated that whirlwind email support could act better in situations like this.
However, you can't expect from small team to reply to your every message, and by writing a bunch of posts in forum you are just digging your hole deeper, people just won't take you seriously enough.
You can continue doing what you want, but you won't help your situation at all by doing this.

[stormbounty]

This is what I mean when I say all of you signature campaign participants are (obviously) biased and replying in bad faith

Not  true, and I didn't notice anyone doing that here.
I had no affiliation with Whirlwind whatsoever and I criticized your behavior, but I also stated that whirlwind email support could act better in situations like this.
However, you can't expect from small team to reply to your every message, and by writing a bunch of posts in forum you are just digging your hole deeper, people just won't take you seriously enough.
You can continue doing what you want, but you won't help your situation at all by doing this.

Its now 10 days and they didnt reply the support email, so I should shut up and let my money Go ??

I have already done all the authentication checks i was asked to do, I have DMed minerjones . I have posted my refund address like I was asked


Yet NO REFUND... This is becoming extra criminal

[thepeterson]

While ww is trying to maintain security but I will never deal with a service that has no mercy like that.

At least pay this member then make an announcement that you won't do this again in the future and it's the first and last time

What you are doing now doesn't make you look tough or thug but stupid

[mikeywith]

I have already done all the authentication checks i was asked to do, I have DMed minerjones . I have posted my refund address like I was asked

I don't recall anybody asking you to post your refund address, besides, all of these things need to go through an official route with the service you used, not on the forum.

One thing you seem to not understand or pretend to not understand is that as far as Whirlwind is concerned, you lost your private key -- your funds are lost. at least this is what you signed up for.

They are under no obligation to refund you anything even if you signed a message from the sending address, you really have to understand that before anything else, they did not promise to refund you anything and fix your mistake for you, they only asked for "community opinion" which again, they don't have to follow.

So it isn't a case of "whether they would refund you the $200 worth of BTC or not", this is a case of a major change in their policy, if they do that for you, they will have to do the same for all other future cases, this is not an easy change and would require the right resources to implement, so this isn't about you, it doesn't revolve around you, it's them and their policy, not sure why you expect that to happen in a few days, it's just stupid.

You keep accusing them of scam, and you went as far as accusing the community members of standing against you for financial gains, nobody in the signature campaign has to post on this topic, in fact, the vast majority of people who wear the signature never posted a thing here, a few of us who engaged in this conversation could have ignored you all together, the only reason I responded to your case was the fact that Whirlwind made it clear from the start that they would like to hear the community opinions, otherwise, your case isn't worth all the discussion, you lost your private key (your story of how you lost it is irrelevant) and thus your coins are gone for good.

You should really stop with your self-entitlement, the only thing you rightfully deserve is an email from Whirlwind saying (" Sorry, according to our rules, if you lose your private keys we have no way of refunding you" ), anything more than that is not within your rights, so stop demanding.

[whirlwindmoney]

Perhaps there could and should be a way to pay for an expedited, extra-attention support answer? It could have all the disclaimers necessary like "paying this doesn't guarantee that support will be able to successfully help you," but it'd certainly give some peace of mind to people if they know that if they have to, they can pay for an answer in just a few hours. Probably would help ramp up business a lot even.

This also would help reduce those issues that go back and forth here for a page or two in Bitcointalk, which really fills up the discussion and obviously should be handled privately via support if it can be.

There is no need for any sort of paid or premium support option. We do respond to emails and fix the issues in under 6 hours the majority of the time or at most 24 hours in exceptional cases. We treat everyone the same, our only concern is being fair to everybody which basically translates to making sure the rules are respected. If your case is valid you will receive 100% of your funds, we are not interested in taking any cuts from that no matter the amount or effort we have to put in, that's our responsibility. If on the other hand the case is invalid, then you won't receive anything.

We explained that from our point of view this situation is no different than any other where the user doesn't have access to his private key - you lose it, you lose access to your funds. If you contact us with the same kind of situation you will get a reply saying we cannot help. The balance will remain on the Note and will be available to withdraw if you ever find the private key.

Like we said we will leave this situation for the community to decide

Although I get and partially understand this, it's also a tricky thing to rely on: at some point you should decide those things on your own, and stand by your decision.

if people agree you should get refunded then you will, if they don't you won't. Simple as that

Let's try a side story: Let's say I made a deposit, saved the Letter of Guarantee, and got the note's private key. I safely stored the private key offline.
Then, my computer got compromised, and someone gained access to my empty wallet and the LoG. That person now has the same information stormbounty has, right? He can sign a message from the address used to deposit, and thus prove that "he" paid the address in the LoG. If that's the case, he should not get the money that belongs to my note to which I have the private key. If I'd come back 2 years later and see the money's gone, you'll get a scam accusation.

Disclaimer: this post includes some assumptions because I still haven't tested your site by myself.

People should really learn to keep the private keys safe. That's all that matters in crypto, if you lose your private key, your money is gone. If it's Bitcoin, it's a donation to everyone. If it's Binance's made-up wrapped Bitcoin, it's a donation to CZ. If it's WWM, it should be waiting for you until the end of time.

We do not want to take the risk of this situation happening, nor do we feel that we need to take that risk. We highly doubt that a potential new user doing his research would be very excited about the possibility of his Note balance being refunded to someone else based on a support request with a guarantee letter or other arbitrary conditions decided privately on a case-by-case basis. If we start refunding left and right based on how we feel about each specific situation on a personal level while changing the rules only for some, there is no way we can expect to be trusted and that is what this business is all about. We're making it very clear that the most important thing is to make sure you save your private key. If for any reason you don't do that you can't blame us for it.

Yet NO REFUND... This is becoming extra criminal

With this attitude you've made it all but impossible for us to do anything in this case.

Even though you recognized you made a mistake, for some reason you continued to blast us with every accusation in the book, from saying it's our fault too that you didn't save the private key, to scamming, engagement farming, worst customer support, worst UX and now you simply expect us to agree with you when it's obvious that all of it is false?

Expecting us to change the rules of the game for you because you made a mistake and screaming scam when we don't do it in under 48 hours is a reaction we cannot understand. We will stop replying to messages regarding this situation, thank you for understanding.

While ww is trying to maintain security but I will never deal with a service that has no mercy like that.

At least pay this member then make an announcement that you won't do this again in the future and it's the first and last time

What you are doing now doesn't make you look tough or thug but stupid

There was a similar situation before and the rules were made clear at that time. This is not about a lack of mercy from our side, we are simply playing by the rules with full transparency and we hold everyone to the same standard. This is the only way we can create trust between ourselves and the community. If you don't want to deal with us because of that it's your choice, but IMO it shows that we care about our users and the overall platform's security and we are proud of that.

[whirlwindmoney]

IMPORTANT UPDATE

The time has come for us to reveal the upcoming changes we've been working on during the past few weeks. We are inching closer towards launching a small closed beta to make sure everything is running properly before pushing the updates live on Whirlwind. Please share your opinions and suggestions in case we missed any details.

When we launched the Anonymity Mining campaign we explained the reasoning behind it is that we want to incentivize usage in order to allow us to add our BTC reserve slowly blended between normal users deposits and grow the Anonymity Set. While this is still a feasible solution to our problem and we could simply wait until we get more traction, we asked ourselves if there is any way we can speed up this process or perhaps grow the Anonymity Set in a different way while achieving the same goal, and here is what we came up with:

1.Allow multiple deposits on the same Note on the Dashboard page. Currently you would need to make a new deposit into another Note and send your balance using Pay to Note, this is a clunky process and we want to get rid of it.
2.Enable Monero and Ethereum deposits and withdrawals. When you enter your private key you will see your Note balance in BTC, XMR and ETH.
3.Enable internal 'bridging' between BTC, XMR and ETH for a fee. You will be able to deposit ETH on your Whirlwind Note, change it internally to BTC and withdraw it to your on-chain address.
4.There will be no 3rd party involved in the bridging process, we will provide the liquidity on all 3 chains and rebalance it when needed.
5.We will use the same setup on XMR and ETH as we do on BTC, meaning multi-sig and the backend-signer architecture.

The Note will now act as your Whirlwind 'wallet' where you can deposit and withdraw Bitcoin, as well as Monero and Ethereum. Pay to Note will be available for all coins, making feeless instant transactions possible on all 3 chains. We will also enable bridging from one to the other for a fee, so you will be able to deposit ETH and withdraw BTC to your on-chain address.

These changes will theoretically make the Anonymity Set unlimited because on top of every BTC withdraw potentially originating from any of the BTC deposits, now it could originate from any of the BTC deposits and any of the ETH or XMR deposits. Besides solving the Anonymity Set issue we should also be able to attract more users because we could target a bigger market with the unique features we're offering.

Decentralization is still on the table and these new changes don't affect our ability to do it in the future, but we believe that for now it's better to focus on delivering the best product possible in the centralized form and then look to decentralize it once we see some traction. Looking forward to your feedback!

[LeGaulois]

I have a mixed opinion with the swap option XMR and ETH but surely because I'm too maximalist.

Of course there are people who will be interested, but I don't know if the demand is high enough to be viable.
Viable, I'm not taking about the fees but rather about the goal => the Anonymity Set

Am I the only one with this opinion?

[stormbounty]

Perhaps there could and should be a way to pay for an expedited, extra-attention support answer? It could have all the disclaimers necessary like "paying this doesn't guarantee that support will be able to successfully help you," but it'd certainly give some peace of mind to people if they know that if they have to, they can pay for an answer in just a few hours. Probably would help ramp up business a lot even.

This also would help reduce those issues that go back and forth here for a page or two in Bitcointalk, which really fills up the discussion and obviously should be handled privately via support if it can be.

You didnt acknowledge my support requests, You totally ignored me for days before i made any accusation, you left me in the dark. If you said wait 10 days, i would have waited but you didnt.

Your had hosting issues, that it why this whole thing happened, It was the same browser, different domain, but the session should be the same in my experience.. By the way i refused to say anything here but forum members started hounding me to explain here since you didnt reply support emails. Now you want to punish me for explaining the situation in public? .. Damned if you do damned if you dont.

I will proceed to quote forum members asking me to bring the matter to the thread..... but Now you want to punish me just because I brought it here

SUPREME LEADER, LORD DICTATOR, HITLER OF BITCOINTALK

Please check support email, I do something stupid, please help  

Please be serious...
You did something stupid (explain what exactly) and because of that you are calling Whirlwind a scam?  
I didn't saw anyone else complaining about them scamming anyone, and email support can be slow for all services.

PS
Just for testing I will send one message to whirlwindsupport

I suppose if you wanted to, you would have done mentioned it in your post but nevertheless would you be in a position to elaborate further as to what you define as "I do something stupid". Members reading this thread might be able to advise you (while you wait for a reply from Whirlwind, that is if you have not already received it).

Please check support email, I do something stupid, please help  

I have already done all the authentication checks i was asked to do, I have DMed minerjones . I have posted my refund address like I was asked

I don't recall anybody asking you to post your refund address, besides, all of these things need to go through an official route with the service you used, not on the forum.

One thing you seem to not understand or pretend to not understand is that as far as Whirlwind is concerned, you lost your private key -- your funds are lost. at least this is what you signed up for.

They are under no obligation to refund you anything even if you signed a message from the sending address, you really have to understand that before anything else, they did not promise to refund you anything and fix your mistake for you, they only asked for "community opinion" which again, they don't have to follow.

So it isn't a case of "whether they would refund you the $200 worth of BTC or not", this is a case of a major change in their policy, if they do that for you, they will have to do the same for all other future cases, this is not an easy change and would require the right resources to implement, so this isn't about you, it doesn't revolve around you, it's them and their policy, not sure why you expect that to happen in a few days, it's just stupid.

You keep accusing them of scam, and you went as far as accusing the community members of standing against you for financial gains, nobody in the signature campaign has to post on this topic, in fact, the vast majority of people who wear the signature never posted a thing here, a few of us who engaged in this conversation could have ignored you all together, the only reason I responded to your case was the fact that Whirlwind made it clear from the start that they would like to hear the community opinions, otherwise, your case isn't worth all the discussion, you lost your private key (your story of how you lost it is irrelevant) and thus your coins are gone for good.

You should really stop with your self-entitlement, the only thing you rightfully deserve is an email from Whirlwind saying (" Sorry, according to our rules, if you lose your private keys we have no way of refunding you" ), anything more than that is not within your rights, so stop demanding.

Yes they should refund to deposit address, if support was contacted fast enough, deposit address signed or if they had downtime issues. then they should end the need to need the note key if you are still on the active session, chipmixer had a proceed button once the deposit is in, why does whirlwind not have that?

In my support email I was still on the page , and asked if i could see the note key if i used the browser back button but i was ignored till today, 11 days now


fix up whirlwind

I WILL NEVER LET MY MONEY GO, I WORK 30 DAYS TO EARN $300 IN MY COUNTRY... SOMETIMES I SACRIFICE SLEEP.

THIS $200 WILL NEVER BE LOST.. I SWEAR ON MY LIFE, I WILL FIGHT FOR IT

While ww is trying to maintain security but I will never deal with a service that has no mercy like that.

At least pay this member then make an announcement that you won't do this again in the future and it's the first and last time

What you are doing now doesn't make you look tough or thug but stupid

This situation wouldnt occur in the first place if their UI was done by someone with half a brain, but they are grandstanding rather than take feedback.

Private key confirmation is standard, people should be able to click a button to proceed to withdrawal without needing private key all over again, since session is still live.


TAKE FEEDBACK whirlwindmoney that is the whole point of being in BETA.




Imagine unleashing this joke of a user experience to millions of people to use. Rather than taking feedback you are taking offense, If your customer support is this shit why are you surprised you are being DDOSed..


You are fixated on how things were said after said user has been ignored like he doesnt exist FOR DAYS

[JollyGood]

This is a welcomed post to read. To add features that include depositing and withdrawing to include both Ethereum and XMR is probably going to be welcomed by most as long as privacy is prioritised and you have already stated it will be. I look forward to seeing these modifications implemented.

The fact Whirlwind have been busy testing the beta and are trying to continue innovating and updating their services (rather than just sit back and relax) is commendable.

IMPORTANT UPDATE

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1.Allow multiple deposits on the same Note on the Dashboard page. Currently you would need to make a new deposit into another Note and send your balance using Pay to Note, this is a clunky process and we want to get rid of it.
2.Enable Monero and Ethereum deposits and withdrawals. When you enter your private key you will see your Note balance in BTC, XMR and ETH.
3.Enable internal 'bridging' between BTC, XMR and ETH for a fee. You will be able to deposit ETH on your Whirlwind Note, change it internally to BTC and withdraw it to your on-chain address.
4.There will be no 3rd party involved in the bridging process, we will provide the liquidity on all 3 chains and rebalance it when needed.
5.We will use the same setup on XMR and ETH as we do on BTC, meaning multi-sig and the backend-signer architecture.

The Note will now act as your Whirlwind 'wallet' where you can deposit and withdraw Bitcoin, as well as Monero and Ethereum. Pay to Note will be available for all coins, making feeless instant transactions possible on all 3 chains. We will also enable bridging from one to the other for a fee, so you will be able to deposit ETH and withdraw BTC to your on-chain address.

[stormbounty]

11 DAYS OF BEGGING FOR MY OWN MONEY BACK. GOD WILL PUNISH YOU ALL

How come the downtime fluctuations magically stopped, stolen enough money from newbies yet?

[sam00]

I WILL NEVER LET MY MONEY GO, I WORK 30 DAYS TO EARN $300 IN MY COUNTRY... SOMETIMES I SACRIFICE SLEEP.

THIS $200 WILL NEVER BE LOST.. I SWEAR ON MY LIFE, I WILL FIGHT FOR IT

You got the final answer from whirlwind. They will not be refunding you for your own mistakes. The only way to withdraw your money is if you manage to get hold of that private key.

At this point you are just wasting your time and energy bumping this thread.

SUPREME LEADER, LORD DICTATOR, HITLER OF BITCOINTALK

This is highly inappropiate and I will therefore put you on my ignore list for now. You can be glad that everyone here has been so responsive with you while your attitute has been utterly disrespectful.

IMPORTANT UPDATE

I am looking forward to trying out the ETH/BTC bridge and am curious how high the fees will be.
Overall this is an interesting update!

Am I the only one with this opinion?

If you have mixed feelings about the time and work being put into this and if it is gonna pay out for whirlwind then I kind of agree but would call myself more curious in this situation.

Apart from that, I don't see a downside to this at the moment and therefore welcome the change.

[mikeywith]

3.Enable internal 'bridging' between BTC, XMR and ETH for a fee. You will be able to deposit ETH on your Whirlwind Note, change it internally to BTC and withdraw it to your on-chain address.

This would be an amazing thing to have, many users would want to use the mixer as an exchange instead, a no-KYC exchange is certainly needed by many users, not sure about the legal implications since the service will no longer be just a BTC mixer, but rather an exchange and a mixer.

Viable, I'm not taking about the fees but rather about the goal => the Anonymity Set

Introducing a second medium to the formula will drastically increase the anonymity set, in other words, a pool of 10 mixed deposits btc/eth/xmr is better than a pool with 100 btc only deposits, just imagine how difficult it would be to trace a transaction which deposited $100 worth of BTC, withdraw 50$ worth in BTC today, $20 worth eth tomorrow, $25 in xmr 3 days later, donated $2 worth in BTC, and kept $2 in the note.

[stormbounty]

This is what I mean when I say all of you signature campaign participants are (obviously) biased and replying in bad faith

Once again you are accusing us for being straight up with you, some even helping you signing a message and trying to help you understand the whole situation better.
In what way would we be biased towards you not receiving your funds? Since we, as a community, not as a signature holder, have been asked what should be done in such situations, we are trying to come up with the best decision for the service and the community. Just because that is not necessarily the best outcome for yourself, we are not "replying in bad faith" ...
The way you keep attacking the people trying to help you, really doesn't help your case.

For me the only valid argument you brought up is that you can't withdraw the coins even when leaving the browser tab open. I don't know if that is intended or not for a specific reason though.
Mixing up multiple sessions is not a valid argument. If I create two bitcoin wallets, mix them up and only save the key to the wrong wallet, that is also my fault.

It seems to be intended, how else will newbies lose funds, I still have the tab open by the way , this should be day 12.

Also I have other valid arguements about this whirlwind.money BETA  like, private key confirmation, and North Korea Dictator level customer support.

This is a welcomed post to read. To add features that include depositing and withdrawing to include both Ethereum and XMR is probably going to be welcomed by most as long as privacy is prioritised and you have already stated it will be. I look forward to seeing these modifications implemented.

The fact Whirlwind have been busy testing the beta and are trying to continue innovating and updating their services (rather than just sit back and relax) is commendable.

IMPORTANT UPDATE

~snip~

1.Allow multiple deposits on the same Note on the Dashboard page. Currently you would need to make a new deposit into another Note and send your balance using Pay to Note, this is a clunky process and we want to get rid of it.
2.Enable Monero and Ethereum deposits and withdrawals. When you enter your private key you will see your Note balance in BTC, XMR and ETH.
3.Enable internal 'bridging' between BTC, XMR and ETH for a fee. You will be able to deposit ETH on your Whirlwind Note, change it internally to BTC and withdraw it to your on-chain address.
4.There will be no 3rd party involved in the bridging process, we will provide the liquidity on all 3 chains and rebalance it when needed.
5.We will use the same setup on XMR and ETH as we do on BTC, meaning multi-sig and the backend-signer architecture.

The Note will now act as your Whirlwind 'wallet' where you can deposit and withdraw Bitcoin, as well as Monero and Ethereum. Pay to Note will be available for all coins, making feeless instant transactions possible on all 3 chains. We will also enable bridging from one to the other for a fee, so you will be able to deposit ETH and withdraw BTC to your on-chain address.

BETA dev that attacks feedback about cruel USER EXPERIENCE FLAWS… money thieving feature it seems , not a bug

I WILL NEVER LET MY MONEY GO, I WORK 30 DAYS TO EARN $300 IN MY COUNTRY... SOMETIMES I SACRIFICE SLEEP.

THIS $200 WILL NEVER BE LOST.. I SWEAR ON MY LIFE, I WILL FIGHT FOR IT

You got the final answer from whirlwind. They will not be refunding you for your own mistakes. The only way to withdraw your money is if you manage to get hold of that private key.

At this point you are just wasting your time and energy bumping this thread.

SUPREME LEADER, LORD DICTATOR, HITLER OF BITCOINTALK

This is highly inappropiate and I will therefore put you on my ignore list for now. You can be glad that everyone here has been so responsive with you while your attitute has been utterly disrespectful.

IMPORTANT UPDATE

I am looking forward to trying out the ETH/BTC bridge and am curious how high the fees will be.
Overall this is an interesting update!

Am I the only one with this opinion?

If you have mixed feelings about the time and work being put into this and if it is gonna pay out for whirlwind then I kind of agree but would call myself more curious in this situation.

Apart from that, I don't see a downside to this at the moment and therefore welcome the change.

It was not my mistake only, they had downtimes, if that was even real, ploys to steal user funds. You are a scam apologist , put me in the ignore list.

[dkbit98]

2.Enable Monero and Ethereum deposits and withdrawals. When you enter your private key you will see your Note balance in BTC, XMR and ETH.

Using Monero should be fine since it is privacy coin by default, and it has nice volume on Bisq exchange, but I see no reason at all in using ethereum and similar shitcoins.

Enable internal 'bridging' between BTC, XMR and ETH for a fee. You will be able to deposit ETH on your Whirlwind Note, change it internally to BTC and withdraw it to your on-chain address.

Wouldn't this be categorized as centralized exchange?
We already have options or that, and you could get in (bigger) trouble with authorities for doing that.
 

There will be no 3rd party involved in the bridging process, we will provide the liquidity on all 3 chains and rebalance it when needed.

That can open whole new can of worms and you should expect much more complications, support questions and complains, if you decide to implement this change.
I would be careful with this, since attack vector is getting bigger also, as well as chance for more bugs is code.l

[stompix]

I have a mixed opinion with the swap option XMR and ETH but surely because I'm too maximalist.
Of course there are people who will be interested, but I don't know if the demand is high enough to be viable.

Maxi here also, and eth hater by default.

But I can understand WW tactics, they are a business and they have to offer something more to their clients, and to be able to break completely the chain while doing a hoop on some other altcoin might sound appealing to enough users to be worth it.
Besides, they will find out themselves, if it's not working and not gaining traction at all they will simply drop and we will have BTC only again!

This would be an amazing thing to have, many users would want to use the mixer as an exchange instead, a no-KYC exchange is certainly needed by many users, not sure about the legal implications since the service will no longer be just a BTC mixer, but rather an exchange and a mixer.

Wouldn't this be categorized as centralized exchange?

Echoing these concerns, at this point you're going to be more like a no-KYC CEX than a mixer, but I assume you thought of this at least one step further before you started working on it.

[stormbounty]

TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO TAKE VALUABLE UX FEEDBACK AND PLEASE RETURN MY FUNDS

[CryptoHFs]

11 DAYS OF BEGGING FOR MY OWN MONEY BACK. GOD WILL PUNISH YOU ALL

How come the downtime fluctuations magically stopped, stolen enough money from newbies yet?

A side question for all people supporting no refunds. If someone received a transaction by wrong should he give it back to its owner or keep it? What do you do in daily life? If you received an upfront paid delivery while it was for your neighbor would you eat it because the delivery guy gave it to you by wrong while you know who owns it? I saw some Muslim comments that should be knowing this (Rasulullah SAW also reminded Muslims that indebted persons are tied to the repayment of their debts. An indebted person must settle his debts in his lifetime, because if he dies while still in debt, then his soul will be suspended until his debts are settled) and this applies for this situation.