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[hugeblack]

The only valid excuse would be that this whole service is run by a single person, and that person is dead, in jail, hospital, or anything that stops him from physically operating the mixer, and that won't be any better than the whole service being a straight-out scam.

There is another hypothesis, which is that the developer of the service has a relationship in one way or another with Tornado Cash. Both services are very similar in terms of name, design, logo and a lot of things. On 10 August 2022, Tornado Cash developer Alexey Pertsev^[1] was arrested.

tornado.cash >> Whirlwind.money >> The same logo >> same UI design

If this is true, then the US Treasury Department has blacklisted the service^[2], and therefore either he was arrested or tried to hide himself, especially since the service did not seem profitable and he did not withdraw $40,000.

If this is the case, it is best to forget about this service (or trying to receive escrow payments) and consider you lost your money.

[1] https://www.fiod.nl/arrest-of-suspected-developer-of-tornado-cash/
[2] https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/recent-actions/20220808

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[Hhampuz]

Please fill out the below form and send it as a PM to me if you have a whirlwind note with a balance or if you made a withdraw after the 9th of August and never received the funds.

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whirlwind note Private key | LoG of withdraw: 
Amount owed in BTC: 
DAI (ERC-20) Address for repayment: 

[mk4]

We did not heard that Chipmixer scammed anyone, what happened was that the site was taken down by the government becuase the mixing site was linked to mixing of illegal coins. But that Chipmixer was linked to scamming its customers, there is nothing like that. Whirlwind is nothing but directly scammed its customers.

Didn't say that CM scammed. What I mean is that we don't have an idea what their overall plan is — to continue being a reputable service, or to gain high reputation then scamquit when there's so much money in their vaults.

tl;dr we can only hope that these mixers don't end up scamquitting. Because no one knows what their plans are.

[hosseinimr93]

I also confirm that I received my DAI tokens.
@Hhampuz @minerjones, thanks to both of you.

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Didn't say that CM scammed. What I mean is that we don't have an idea what their overall plan is — to continue being a reputable service, or to gain high reputation then scamquit when there's so much money in their vaults.

tl;dr we can only hope that these mixers don't end up scamquitting. Because no one knows what their plans are.

Bitcoin is decentralized and if you want mixers that will not scam and quit, using decentralized mixers will be the best. There are many decentralized mixers on self hosted wallets like jointmarket if you have full node wallet, or the ones like whirlpool on Samourai and Sparrow bitcoin wallet. Another one is Wasabi but which I can not point to again because of privacy concern.

I also confirm that I received my DAI tokens.
@Hhampuz @minerjones, thanks to both of you.

It is good to see this. I thought that Hhampuz fucked up, but he continues to prove himself as one of the best campaign managers on this forum.

[cygan]

i can also confirm that i got the DAI tokens. these reflect the full value of satoshis i still had on my ww-note
big thanks flying to @Hhampuz @minerjones

[LeGaulois]

Same here
Thank you for being fair with us

Ratimov, thanks as well

[mikeywith]

Regarding the $40,000 DAI, they were no obligation to leave that money in an escrow.

You are right in saying they were under no obligation, but my guess is, they used that as a reason to gain more trust, it was an important eliminate to compete the circle.

They/he/she had

1- A very smart person using the forum account
2- A lot of money spent on the review campaign
3- A lot of money spent on signature campaign

Very good tools to execute a scam, but to make things even better, you can just pretend that you don't even care about the 40k in escrow, it makes people think that you have way too much money to attempt a scam -- since you are spending tens of thousands of dollars on ads, left 40k in escrow when nobody asked you to, you must be sitting on a ton of money to scam my 0.01 BTC, so you are likely to be trusted.

Also, keep in mind, they did NOT risk those 40k, they were in safe hands, if the plan works fine and they get a lot more than 40k+whatever they spent, great, if not -- they could always get those 40k back, so it's not like the gambled with 40k and had a chance of losing them should things have not worked in their favor.


If anything would make me doubt that this was a scam plan from the get-go would be something like what @hugeblack mentioned above, a single person running this whole thing, and something bad happened to him, and it's game over. Again (nothing better than being a scam as far as everyone who lost funds is concerned), so ya, it's not the money they spent that makes me think this might have at least 5% of being a failure rather than a scam, it's the efforts and the intelligence of the person that could have otherwise been used into making a good mixer that would last for years and make a lot of profit.

[LoyceV]

I haven't been keeping up with the recent news on this... So, we have another bitcoin mixer go out of business? Exit scam?
Has anyone managed to come up with a ballpark figure for the total amount they scammed?

Given the nature of the scam, I think it's a lot of money.

The multisig pool address has 12.7 BTC in it, somewhere around 350k USD, judging by how much they spent on their review campaign, the other campaign, the leftover in escrow, the website, the code, the design, and all that, it makes me doubt that they would settle with just 350k, also, it's almost sure that the 350k sure includes some of their own funds.

Maybe it includes their own funds, maybe it didn't. The multisig address sent and received 1700 Bitcoin, including change sent back to itself. They could have withdrawn their own money already, and they could even have withdrawn customer money too. You'd have to check all 1169 transactions to see how much came from external deposits, but it still wouldn't tell you much.

We may find out eventually if a large deposit was made, someone might come here and tell the story, also to anyone that might say "Oh it was obvious, I knew it" I'd call b.s on that, it was a "masterpiece", the guy/guys behind it were pretty intelligent, far more sophisticated than the average "send me your 1 BTC and get 2 BTC tomorrow".

There were signs, but giving them the benefit of the doubt is better than tagging for something they may or may not do.

I've been advertising and recommending this shit for months, in such a way that I'm practically part of this scam. And it's just feels awful.

It makes you question the integrity of the service you're currently carrying in your signature.

Not enough members here seem to realize that whatever is in their signature reflects back to their own image here. It's always good to question the integrity before you advertise something.

What are the odds this guy started talking about his plans the day ChipMixer was seized?

There is another hypothesis, which is that the developer of the service has a relationship in one way or another with Tornado Cash. Both services are very similar in terms of name, design, logo and a lot of things. On 10 August 2022, Tornado Cash developer Alexey Pertsev^[1] was arrested.

Did you read that as 2023 instead of 2022? Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

[Rikafip]

Did you read that as 2023 instead of 2022? Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

One thing he got right though, they do share a very similar visual style. That guy got arrested year ago though so it doesn't seem likely its the same person behind it.

What are the odds this guy started talking about his plans the day ChipMixer was seized?

If you check his very first post on bitcointalk, you will notice that he started talking about his new mixing service on March 9th, 6 days before CM was seized. Did he maybe knew that CM will be gone in a matter of days and he already started preparations? Or maybe this was just a coincidence.

Then again, it doesn't seem like a smart thing to do, to start a new mixing service when you are on the run and trying to hide.

[JollyGood]

Regarding the $40,000 DAI, they were no obligation to leave that money in an escrow.

You are right in saying they were under no obligation, but my guess is, they used that as a reason to gain more trust, it was an important eliminate to compete the circle.

If that was part of the manipulation they did they did a very good job to win the trust of very large parts of the community.

If anything would make me doubt that this was a scam plan from the get-go would be something like what @hugeblack mentioned above, a single person running this whole thing, and something bad happened to him, and it's game over. Again (nothing better than being a scam as far as everyone who lost funds is concerned), so ya, it's not the money they spent that makes me think this might have at least 5% of being a failure rather than a scam, it's the efforts and the intelligence of the person that could have otherwise been used into making a good mixer that would last for years and make a lot of profit.

Keeping the single person operation possibility aside, the earlier post showing a similarity between Tornado Cash and Whirlwind could also have some relevance but we do not know for sure. What I do remember is that the Whirlwind forum representative was intelligent and when reading his posts you knew he was an articulate developer. It has been a huge disappointment to see how this came to an end after such a promising start.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

There is another hypothesis, which is that the developer of the service has a relationship in one way or another with Tornado Cash. Both services are very similar in terms of name, design, logo and a lot of things. On 10 August 2022, Tornado Cash developer Alexey Pertsev^[1] was arrested.

tornado.cash >> Whirlwind.money >> The same logo >> same UI design

I read similar post a while back somewhere. Was it in the topic where someone was predicting who will shutdown after Chipmixer or the guy who lost 200 and wanted attention to recover his balance?

[nioctib_100]

There is another hypothesis, which is that the developer of the service has a relationship in one way or another with Tornado Cash. Both services are very similar in terms of name, design, logo and a lot of things. On 10 August 2022, Tornado Cash developer Alexey Pertsev^[1] was arrested.

tornado.cash >> Whirlwind.money >> The same logo >> same UI design

I noticed the similarities to Tornado Cash too in terms of web design, but I just took that as they sort of copied Tornado Cash's design because they looked up to it. Their specialties were in the backend programming stuff for sure, and it seemed that they didn't have anyone rocking and rolling on the web and graphic design stuff, so if that's the case, it's easy and smart to just match the site design to a well known mixer. No need to reinvent the wheel, at least not when they were first starting out. I think if there was any actual relation between Whirlwind and the Tornado Cash team, we would have seen things pan out a little differently and more successfully.

[famososMuertos]

Thanks to all those involved for the prompt solution and to all those affected in pending deposits, who have given their opinions and/or reflections about the w.m, I think it is a "big" triumph within all the worst that means an exit scam.

Regarding the $40,000 DAI, they were no obligation to leave that money in an escrow.

...//..,,,
Very good tools to execute a scam, but to make things even better, you can just pretend that you don't even care about the 40k in escrow, it makes people think that you have way too much money to attempt a scam -- since you are spending tens of thousands of dollars on ads, left 40k in escrow when nobody asked you to, you must be sitting on a ton of money to scam my 0.01 BTC, so you are likely to be trusted.

...//...

I remember that I deposited in the first days of June and in those days I asked a question in the thread in question, but I also added that an escrow should be used in the equivalence of the amount of deposits that were arising,  and to be honest, I'm not attributing anything to myself, but it's not as you say, at least someone had an opinion about it, and if you look at it from that point of view, these guys were evaluating all the edges that were presented.

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In any case, believing that one is inviolable or "they are not going to scam me," it is the first mistake that we can make, regardless of the level of experience one has. Since the scam that is going to "fuck" us is the one that we do not know about and yes, such an assertion may seem inconsistent, but then what happens?... as now, is that we see lights, indications where before all it was "normal".

I do not feel lucky for the escrow that was there to save my deposit. Although of course, come on!, obviously thanks that existed, but also lucky to keep me on the idea: " I risked money that I could afford to lose".

But! honestly I must say that if two users whom I have a lot of confidence, they would have been part of the SC, I would have put more money, but also under the same previous premise.

That is the question of the matter here and of any scam in which we find ourselves involved under our own interests, we can not surrender all the confidence of our money at the risk of the trust of others.

Then...! Although there is a debate there in that sense, I think this thread should be kept in order to preserve the idea that any project is safe only under your decisions in the capacity of what you can risk.

And! that those in charge of it here in the forum (for any project that arrives) are a way out and not a guarantee of the risks involved in losing money.

[bullrun2024bro]

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I had the chance to check my DAI account this morning. Everything received. Thanks a lot @Hhampuz and @minerjones for handling this so smoothly.

Really appreciated. 

[decodx]

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I had the chance to check my DAI account this morning. Everything received. Thanks a lot @Hhampuz and @minerjones for handling this so smoothly.

Really appreciated. 

I can also confirm that I received the full amount of my deposit to WhirlWind. Thanks a lot @minerjones, @Hhampuz and also @Ratimov who exchanged DAI back to BTC without any fee. Respect!

[sam00]

I want to also confirm that I have received my DAI @Hhampuz @minerjones

When I have access to a computer again I will make sure to leave positive feedback. Thank you!

[dkbit98]

Someone is still using whirlwind website and making deposits!
Two deposits made yesterday, but there is no change in their BTC address, still showing 12.85436836 BTC, last transactions made 3 weeks ago.
I don't know what would be the best way to warn people not to send them coins anymore...

[examplens]

Someone is still using whirlwind website and making deposits!
Two deposits made yesterday, but there is no change in their BTC address, still showing 12.85436836 BTC, last transactions made 3 weeks ago.
I don't know what would be the best way to warn people not to send them coins anymore...

I don't believe that anyone from this forum. I think that all mixer users here are already familiar with the withdrawal problem on WW. But we can certainly expect that these users will appear here with complaints and ask for help.
This thread and warning topic in scam accusations it's probably all we can do. But it is quite possible that there are some outdated articles on various blogs, it is a very demanding job to search for such and send a warning.

[mikeywith]

Two deposits made yesterday, but there is no change in their BTC address, still showing 12.85436836 BTC, last transactions made 3 weeks ago.

I didn't write down the exact number but in my last post I did write 12.7, so it was 12.7x.

Yesterday (20-08-2023) there were two new deposits of 0.0447 and 0.0026 BTC, and there is a pending transaction of 0.007 BTC that was broadcasted on the same date.

So it could be someone who isn't aware of the latest events, or the owner himself giving the illusion that his mixer still works.

I don't believe that anyone from this forum. I think that all mixer users here are already familiar with the withdrawal problem on WW.

You got stupid lagecy media like Yahoo that still lists whirlwind at the top of the mixers lists referring to it as

a leading Bitcoin mixer that adheres to a strict no-logs policy, ensuring that once the mixing process is completed, all transaction information is permanently erased.

So more victims are likely to fall for the scam, however, since the clear net server is down, people coming from the likes of Yahoo will probably end up seeing this topic, although many of them will be careless, just copy the onion link and go.

Speaking of this, I think the probability of "something bad has happened to the person who runs WW rather than this being a scam" has now increased, I mean if this was a straight-out scam, why wouldn't they fix the clear net, and made a small transfer from the multisig address to make things look 'normal' so they can scam more people?, I don't think a scammer will have enough and decide they don't want to scam anymore -- after all, they could have taken down the main server too if they want to stop scamming!.

There is something strange about this mixer, as I said, it doesn't really matter much to the users who lost funds, because whether the person behind the mixer was a scammer or a dead man -- the results are the same, but knowing for sure what actually happened would be good.