Without money, does it still qualify as gambling?

[Russlenat]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

To be honest, it’s a new thing for me. Anyway, thanks for the link. But if asked if gambling really involves money, for me yes. And gambling without money is actually not gambling at all. Maybe you’re just in a game excited what’s next to happen, and there’s no gambling involved in it. Gambling only happens when you are wagering an amount of money, or any amount that you will reap as a reward when you win the game.

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[Viscore]

In my opinion.

Everything you do, activity and other think on the casino are gambling. You're not gambling now, but there has some chance you are gonna to gambling soon in the future. The temptation are high, If you are stay on gambling sector.

So, I call it gambling. It's promotion, you get free money soon you're losing then are gonna triggered you to deposit.

For me, the only reason why you call it gambling is because you are gambling an amount that you may lose or win in the end. If there’s no money waiting as a reward, or any thing that has a value, I don’t think it can be considered gambling. Though we may say everything we do that is uncertain can be called gambling, but gambling in casinos is a different thing, it comes with rewards or losses in the end.

[khaled0111]

Yes, it's gambling, without any doubts. By the definitions above, it falls under the first point: to play games of chance for money. Even when you aren't risking money (second point), you are playing a game which involves a chance of being rewarded with real money, so you are involved in a gambling activity.

You misinterpreted the definition. You missed the part where it says "for money". There should be money, or anything with real value, for it to be considered gambling. I suppose you thought "money" in that sentence refers to the reward, which is not correct.
This is a "prediction game" not gambling and here is the definition of prediction games according to Wikipedia (which states clearly it's not considered gambling:

Prediction games are a type of trivia game with a focus on the outcome of guessing future events rather than testing a player's knowledge of the past. They are not considered gambling and are not governed by gambling regulations.

[serjent05]

So this is likely an advertisement campaign of some sort.

Yes, the thread looks like aimed to advertise the site linked by @OP with a twist of discussing whether the given example is an act of gambling or not.  That is somehow a smart move because different members have different views and understandings of what is considered to be gambling which can bump the thread and get noticed by other readers.

About the thing whether the case stated by @OP is gambling or not, I would say it is not because it missing a factor to consider it gambling which is the stake.  Since there is no stake or amount of money at stake, the situation can be determined only as a game of chance.  And a game of chance is not necessarily gambling.

A game of chance may be played as gambling if players wage money or anything of monetary value e.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_chance

[livingfree]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

It has directed me to betking, isn't it that bookie has some issues that has been seen in the forum?

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Well, I think that it can still be gambling as it's still related to picking and winning. But on this case, it seem that it's more like a promo as there's no wager needed as a requirement.

Yeah, like a free lottery ticket which is still considered gambling but no money has been waged.

[robelneo]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Gamblers will not waste time on a platform that does not use real money to bet, they can use it to check their skill
this Superpicks.com purpose is to check on how good you are at predicting games in practice but for a real gambler, the satisfaction is betting real money and the excitement of knowing that there is money at stake on your bets.
There are platforms for gamers and they are not considered gambling platforms they only become gambling platforms when they accept betting with real money.

[romero121]

In my opinion.

Everything you do, activity and other think on the casino are gambling. You're not gambling now, but there has some chance you are gonna to gambling soon in the future. The temptation are high, If you are stay on gambling sector.

So, I call it gambling. It's promotion, you get free money soon you're losing then are gonna triggered you to deposit.

For me, the only reason why you call it gambling is because you are gambling an amount that you may lose or win in the end. If there’s no money waiting as a reward, or any thing that has a value, I don’t think it can be considered gambling. Though we may say everything we do that is uncertain can be called gambling, but gambling in casinos is a different thing, it comes with rewards or losses in the end.

When money involved it turns to be real gambling. When we play without money, then it turns to be a game same as that we play on our smartphone. When we play with money we have different experience and when we play without money we have fun moment as our mind will be free to play as the outcome doesn't affect us in any means.

[Reatim]

In my opinion.

Everything you do, activity and other think on the casino are gambling. You're not gambling now, but there has some chance you are gonna to gambling soon in the future. The temptation are high, If you are stay on gambling sector.

So, I call it gambling. It's promotion, you get free money soon you're losing then are gonna triggered you to deposit.

For me, the only reason why you call it gambling is because you are gambling an amount that you may lose or win in the end. If there’s no money waiting as a reward, or any thing that has a value, I don’t think it can be considered gambling. Though we may say everything we do that is uncertain can be called gambling, but gambling in casinos is a different thing, it comes with rewards or losses in the end.

When money involved it turns to be real gambling. When we play without money, then it turns to be a game same as that we play on our smartphone. When we play with money we have different experience and when we play without money we have fun moment as our mind will be free to play as the outcome doesn't affect us in any means.

or like playing in some giveaway events here in forum? i kept seeing this at least yearly? that there are people or group of people that organized a speculative thread that will let you predict and win some money without putting a single amount.
all we need to be is at least an old account and we are free to join in certain time.
can we consider that as gambling? for me it does not sounds one.

[Nrcewker]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

You can’t properly tell it or term it as “Gambling”, as in gambling, you have to take risk and bet with your own money. In gambling there are equal possibilities to win as well as lose and that too money that is in risk. But here as you are saying, you can pick a bet for free or make predictions for free and then can win money. This can be said as contest, or basic lottery or raffle without entry fees. I haven’t personally tested the site, so don’t know what their motive of giving away free money. Willing to hear other people’s opinion on this.

[adzino]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out.-snip-

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Nah, that's not gambling (didn't check the link though. If it is a gambling site, probably just a way to lure/attract users to their site). I'd say that if you're not wagering any money, it doesn't really qualify as "gambling". The main characteristic of gambling is risking something of value (usually money) for a chance to win something big. If you're just making predictions without without using any money, then the risk element isn't really there, so you aren't gambling anything. If you lose the prediction, you don't lose anything.
Superpick sounds like game where if you predict something right, you win something as a reward/prize. Its not a gambling site.

[Chato1977]

no its not and will never qualify as gamble , unless you put some money inside to bet in then that is different situation .

[Chikito]

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

In my opinion, these are called Games which are played a lot to fill your spare time, because gambling usually is playing with your real money. But, we must look at it carefully, what purpose they made this, and what did they benefit?, If they can't make benefit from the website, Of course, they will lose and waste money. And, most likely inducement, if the player begins to addictive they won't play free anymore, and maybe the user will try to deposit as much as they can.

[BenCodie]

Money or something of value needs to be risked in return for a potential gain in order for it to be classified gambling. Making picks for free and potentially earning money for doing so is more of a free competition or a sweep-stake than it is gambling. If anything is being wagered in this kind of platform or game it would be your time, which is as valuable as you personally classify it.

[xSkylarx]

In my opinion.

Everything you do, activity and other think on the casino are gambling. You're not gambling now, but there has some chance you are gonna to gambling soon in the future. The temptation are high, If you are stay on gambling sector.

So, I call it gambling. It's promotion, you get free money soon you're losing then are gonna triggered you to deposit.

For me, the only reason why you call it gambling is because you are gambling an amount that you may lose or win in the end. If there’s no money waiting as a reward, or any thing that has a value, I don’t think it can be considered gambling. Though we may say everything we do that is uncertain can be called gambling, but gambling in casinos is a different thing, it comes with rewards or losses in the end.

When money involved it turns to be real gambling. When we play without money, then it turns to be a game same as that we play on our smartphone. When we play with money we have different experience and when we play without money we have fun moment as our mind will be free to play as the outcome doesn't affect us in any means.

It is like watching a sport like the NBA: if you just watch it for fun, then it is not that exciting, but if it involves gambling, like betting on the team, then every quarter you get excited, nervous, and mixed emotions. Also, it is not just money but also stuff like betting on your car or motorcycle. As long as there is something in exchange, that is gambling, but if there is no money or stuff involved, I think it is just a normal game, and just the words of both of you and your opponent are that reward.

[tiCeR]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

That is probably up to your subjective perception, but when you refer to mathematical terminology, I would probably use the expected value definition (EV) for me personally to decide whether it is gambling or not. Usually one understands gambling as an investment X being put onto an outcome with the odds of Y, resulting in an "EV_RANGE" of [-X, X*Y]. That is the example for a single sports bet, but if you are not putting anything down that you actually risk to lose, it is not really gambling for me. But again, this is subjective. Someone could of course say that as soon as you can win something by rolling the dice, you are gambling even if you didn't even have to make an upfront investment of some kind. Like anything can count. Someone could say that you roll the dice and the loser has to do 20 push-ups, that is still a form of investment. But if there is really nothing that makes you have any skin in the game, it is not gambling for me.

[Belarge]

It's gambling, that superpicks on DSTV might just be using the free access platform to lure people or maybe attract gambling customers, then when they might have gotten qualify and qualified customers already, they will locked the platform in a way where it can only the accessed with money, and you will start seeing people using money for access to the platform as stake..

[Lida93]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

From what I understand after clicking the site, it seems the superkick is a kind of prediction show where football lovers have to picks a compulsory number of games to be played for the day in the day particularly EPL games, and make predictions on possible outcome of the games and should your predictions play out, you're expected to win a certain attractive sum of money.

It's all gambling in every sense, despite you don't use money in playing it or staking it, you just have to predict only. But I suspect there's a stage you get to that you have to access with a sum of money. And it's fun anyway but it's still gambling.

[pungopete468]

If there is something that you will take risk then you can consider it as gambling, it doesn't that it's because it doesn't involve money then it is not gambling already. Some gambling sites requirements in participating in their promotion like this involve KYC which is much riskier than money as they can either sell it or use it to do illegal activities, well if it doesn't need anything and all you just need to do is predict then that's really a good one.

[Jawhead999]

If there is something that you will take risk then you can consider it as gambling, it doesn't that it's because it doesn't involve money then it is not gambling already. Some gambling sites requirements in participating in their promotion like this involve KYC which is much riskier than money as they can either sell it or use it to do illegal activities, well if it doesn't need anything and all you just need to do is predict then that's really a good one.

I don't think it's require KYC to participate it, but usually they will KYC when the winner want to withdraw his winning, so the winner has no choice either he didn't win anything or he will protect his KYC. Most of the cases when someone win a free money, they will submit their KYC because they're only care about Bitcoin.

Giving your KYC to a centralized site always carry a risk, but at least anyone shouldn't submit their KYC to a proven scam casino.

[BitDane]

It's gambling, that superpicks on DSTV might just be using the free access platform to lure people or maybe attract gambling customers, then when they might have gotten qualify and qualified customers already, they will locked the platform in a way where it can only the accessed with money, and you will start seeing people using money for access to the platform as stake..

Not because it is host in a gambling platform it is considered gambling on the players part.  As long as there is no need to stake any amount of money it can't be considered gambling even if the host is a casino or a gambling platform.

Mind to think about the question of @OP, sure he presents a gambling site but the player don't need to wager anything to join the prediction game and possibly win a prize.

It's all gambling in every sense, despite you don't use money in playing it or staking it, you just have to predict only. But I suspect there's a stage you get to that you have to access with a sum of money. And it's fun anyway but it's still gambling.

Can you tell me in what sense it is called gambling?  It is very clear that for a game to be considered a gambling, a person need to put a stake or bet money.  The one stated by @OP doesn't need to wager any amount of money to participate and get a chance to win a prize.  You can call it a prediction game but never a gambling because it does not requires a player to stake something of worth in order to participate ang get a chance to win a prize.

If there is something that you will take risk then you can consider it as gambling, it doesn't that it's because it doesn't involve money then it is not gambling already. Some gambling sites requirements in participating in their promotion like this involve KYC which is much riskier than money as they can either sell it or use it to do illegal activities, well if it doesn't need anything and all you just need to do is predict then that's really a good one.

That is what I am talking about, if it does not involve a player to bet any amount of money or something that will cost him, it is not gambling.  But still lots of us here thinks that it is gambling simply because it is hosted in a gambling platform.