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April 29, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
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Well poker stars has used points system for long time where you can play without real money, also zynga poker. Now I think if you care enough for the points it's gambling. Gambling is not neccesarry a bad thing either. If you care for somerhing that is betting on then it is gambling for me.
If you mean zynga poker is a poker game on Facebook, I once met a friend who bought chips collected from zynga poker and then used them to play. And when he managed to win a lot of chips, he sold the chips and got some money.

It's still gambling, even though indirectly using money. And as long as you can still control yourself while gambling, gambling is not bad. But the reality is that many people cannot control themselves while gambling and lose a lot of money. That's what makes gambling bad for him.

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April 29, 2023, 04:35:08 PM
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

You are not using your money to gamble so what kind of risk are you referring to?

You should first know what the meaning of gambling is; as long as you're not risking your money for the chance of winning or getting money then it's not gambling, like I said previously it's more like a giveaway (go to games and round) and see them there.
According to me if anything that will have value and bet instead of money then it is consider as a gambling. Not only money is used for gambling nowadays, gambling can also be done with various valuable things. Moreover, even if you earn free money and gamble with that money, it is also gambling. In this regard you may have been earning money for free but it was later treated as your money. If you don't think it as your money, you might not think of it as gambling. But I would totally compare it to gambling.

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April 29, 2023, 05:09:20 PM
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Most of the peeps are confusing or may be associating the word gambling with money only. I think that's because everyone is in the gambling section and seeing casino's everywhere and ultimately falling for the "money" everywhere ideology. Well, gambling is gambling. You can gamble anything; from your life to your house or may be some furniture in the house, or may be your dirt bike. It's just the word that's being used in misleading way.

Now I understand that you want to publish that website to us and it's good that they have some unique ways to trade around it and hopefully it pan out to be fun site for the users.

As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

You are not using your money to gamble so what kind of risk are you referring to?

You should first know what the meaning of gambling is; as long as you're not risking your money for the chance of winning or getting money then it's not gambling, like I said previously it's more like a giveaway (go to games and round) and see them there.
According to me if anything that will have value and bet instead of money then it is consider as a gambling. Not only money is used for gambling nowadays, gambling can also be done with various valuable things. Moreover, even if you earn free money and gamble with that money, it is also gambling. In this regard you may have been earning money for free but it was later treated as your money. If you don't think it as your money, you might not think of it as gambling. But I would totally compare it to gambling.

Exactly. In fact we have seen this happening in the car racing games, or some bars or may be some games where peeps are used to gamble stuff associated with that game as well.
On the other hand, there is always risk. Though it's not money, we are still gambling something that carries monetary value. Definitely if we are going gamble it and lose then we lose, that's the risk. Smiley
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April 29, 2023, 05:50:14 PM
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You can gamble with or without money, and it's still a gambling, people use their houses to gamble when they are short of cash and there are addictive gamblers in China that have used their daughters to gamble away, if they lose their game the winner takes the daughter, I read this in a history book when things were extremely hard for people in China years ago, you don't have to use money or anything to gamble and it's still a gamble, trying to make a uncertain decision, predicting the outcome of any situation, is gambling.

For Example

You will win a gift card if you tell me exactly what Bitcoin's price will be at 12 PM tomorrow. You only have to guess what the price will be, so you have to guess. As of right now, you do not know, and you can just say no, that you don't know, but since you want to win, you will have to gamble, so luck will be the only thing you can rely on.
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April 29, 2023, 06:35:00 PM
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You can gamble with or without money, and it's still a gambling, people use their houses to gamble when they are short of cash and there are addictive gamblers in China that have used their daughters to gamble away, if they lose their game the winner takes the daughter, I read this in a history book when things were extremely hard for people in China years ago, you don't have to use money or anything to gamble and it's still a gamble, trying to make a uncertain decision, predicting the outcome of any situation, is gambling.

It was stated that gambling does not only involved money  but  something of value which can be put as stake or bet.  In your example, the daughter or the house is put at stake and we all know that human lives and properties are of value or equivalent of sort.


For Example

You will win a gift card if you tell me exactly what Bitcoin's price will be at 12 PM tomorrow. You only have to guess what the price will be, so you have to guess. As of right now, you do not know, and you can just say no, that you don't know, but since you want to win, you will have to gamble, so luck will be the only thing you can rely on.

Does the person guessing have stake to put in in order to win a prize?  If yes then it is gambling if no then it is not and you are just hosting a guessing game with a chance to win a gift card.
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April 29, 2023, 09:32:06 PM
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Gambling is something that has to do with staking money for a chance to participate in a gambling game but in the situation addressed by the OP, we can consider it to be gambling because it's a promotion provided by super sport and gambling website in order to have more customers on their platform. It's just like giving back to the community.
The occasion is indeed gambling , but the bettor ? can we consider them as Gambler in that way when they did not even put a single cent to gamble?
this is  a never ending debate I believe unless will be answered directly by those who are involved and admit if they are gambler or not.
this can be handled by not gambler that only wants to try their luck as it is a freebet.

I never participated in an event and this is the first I will hear about. I did some few research about the event yesterday it is totally free as stated by the OP but the longevity of it is something I don't know but the event seems to be hosted weekly and the lucky winner will be awarded the prize for that week.
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April 29, 2023, 09:44:55 PM
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My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
I think everything that comes from betting is gambling. with money or free when applying or placing a bet it's the same. you place hope on your luck.
even sweepstakes conducted by large companies for their customers can also be seen as gambling. like two people watching a football match on television. they bet on the team to score the first goal, or the team to commit the first offense. and whoever loses will be hit on the head. it's a gamble even if not with money.



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April 29, 2023, 10:11:46 PM
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In my opinion without your own responsibility you can`t learn to predict. You can train, but the price of such predictions is zero. I think that until you don`t ready to risk your money - you can`t advice someone to risk.
Yes, i lost my money with free spins, and i`m sure that it is the main purpose of such bonuses - make the gambler spend his own money to get the profit from the free spins.

There is no better teacher than self experience. You can not teach someone without you knowing that thing through experience. If you must predict, you must have experience in predicting game or otherwise, so as to be able to predict for others. So therefore, you must have spent your resources to learning how to predict which means it is not free.

Perhaps it is more accurate to say that experience is the best teacher. IMO, someone, can gain knowledge from other people's experiences. yes, in this context, gambling.
speaking of predictions, in fact we can learn from people who have more experience and have extensive knowledge. for example, football observers, we can listen to what they have to say, whether it's related to techniques, formations, players, patterns, systems, anything related to knowledge that can add to our references. one more thing, understand the gambling we like, and gamble with something we know. that's important, and what to watch out for before gambling.

To analyze, predict, not only requires experience, but involves all aspects. That's why it's important for someone to recognize the type of gambling that we like. if not, it's just as useless. the point is, we know what we are doing. because, in combat especially sports, prediction is an art that few people are aware of. to achieve that, we need knowledge, understanding, experience and also insight. then, we combine through analysis and reach a conclusion which we call prediction.

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April 29, 2023, 11:30:47 PM
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In my opinion without your own responsibility you can`t learn to predict. You can train, but the price of such predictions is zero. I think that until you don`t ready to risk your money - you can`t advice someone to risk.
Yes, i lost my money with free spins, and i`m sure that it is the main purpose of such bonuses - make the gambler spend his own money to get the profit from the free spins.

There is no better teacher than self experience. You can not teach someone without you knowing that thing through experience. If you must predict, you must have experience in predicting game or otherwise, so as to be able to predict for others. So therefore, you must have spent your resources to learning how to predict which means it is not free.

Perhaps it is more accurate to say that experience is the best teacher. IMO, someone, can gain knowledge from other people's experiences. yes, in this context, gambling.
speaking of predictions, in fact we can learn from people who have more experience and have extensive knowledge. for example, football observers, we can listen to what they have to say, whether it's related to techniques, formations, players, patterns, systems, anything related to knowledge that can add to our references. one more thing, understand the gambling we like, and gamble with something we know. that's important, and what to watch out for before gambling.

To analyze, predict, not only requires experience, but involves all aspects. That's why it's important for someone to recognize the type of gambling that we like. if not, it's just as useless. the point is, we know what we are doing. because, in combat especially sports, prediction is an art that few people are aware of. to achieve that, we need knowledge, understanding, experience and also insight. then, we combine through analysis and reach a conclusion which we call prediction.
Normal aspect or things in life which we would really be needing up to learn or would really be needing to adapt because there's nothing we can do from it.Once we do make ourselves getting involved with gambling
then there's no way that we could really be able to make ourselves that thinking that we could really be having that kind of advantage or edge towards gambling. Speaking about on the condition or situation
on which you;ve been dealing on something which it doesnt really require any money for you to make out some bets then it isnt really that gambling at all. You arent risking something which means that
you cant lose something and its not something that called gambling at all.


My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
I think everything that comes from betting is gambling. with money or free when applying or placing a bet it's the same. you place hope on your luck.
even sweepstakes conducted by large companies for their customers can also be seen as gambling. like two people watching a football match on television. they bet on the team to score the first goal, or the team to commit the first offense. and whoever loses will be hit on the head. it's a gamble even if not with money.
Gambling is something that we do make out bets on something which literally be putting up our money at stake for us to earn money which means that you would
really be needing to take up risks and on the case which we do see on OP then its not really that gambling at all but on how the things been done
then its considered to be similar.

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Well poker stars has used points system for long time where you can play without real money, also zynga poker. Now I think if you care enough for the points it's gambling. Gambling is not neccesarry a bad thing either. If you care for somerhing that is betting on then it is gambling for me.
If you mean zynga poker is a poker game on Facebook, I once met a friend who bought chips collected from zynga poker and then used them to play. And when he managed to win a lot of chips, he sold the chips and got some money.

It's still gambling, even though indirectly using money. And as long as you can still control yourself while gambling, gambling is not bad. But the reality is that many people cannot control themselves while gambling and lose a lot of money. That's what makes gambling bad for him.

The last statement always relying with how a person take his gambling affiliation, if you know how to control then yes it's not bad while if you can't then expect worse thing to happen, at first maybe you are just aiming for free and thinking that you can manage to convert those free into a real cash, but once you already out of control, the chance that you will keep coming back and will deposit your hard earned money and start doing laziness to ruin your finances.

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If I read the article correctly, you're questioning whether they can call him a gambler if he doesn't have any money. But I believe that once someone bets on a game, that person is a gambler in my opinion, or perhaps you predicted a game and that game went well, which is why you are bringing these here. I don't really understand the opposing point of view here.All I can say about gambling is to make sure you understand what you're investing your money in, despite the fact that it carries a great risk of financial loss because we cannot predict whether our money will end up losing or winning. Nevertheless, we should be knowledgeable about it. in order to lower our risk of losing.

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April 30, 2023, 08:39:37 AM
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Most of the peeps are confusing or may be associating the word gambling with money only. I think that's because everyone is in the gambling section and seeing casino's everywhere and ultimately falling for the "money" everywhere ideology. Well, gambling is gambling. You can gamble anything; from your life to your house or may be some furniture in the house, or may be your dirt bike. It's just the word that's being used in misleading way.

Now I understand that you want to publish that website to us and it's good that they have some unique ways to trade around it and hopefully it pan out to be fun site for the users.

As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

You are not using your money to gamble so what kind of risk are you referring to?

You should first know what the meaning of gambling is; as long as you're not risking your money for the chance of winning or getting money then it's not gambling, like I said previously it's more like a giveaway (go to games and round) and see them there.
According to me if anything that will have value and bet instead of money then it is consider as a gambling. Not only money is used for gambling nowadays, gambling can also be done with various valuable things. Moreover, even if you earn free money and gamble with that money, it is also gambling. In this regard you may have been earning money for free but it was later treated as your money. If you don't think it as your money, you might not think of it as gambling. But I would totally compare it to gambling.

Exactly. In fact we have seen this happening in the car racing games, or some bars or may be some games where peeps are used to gamble stuff associated with that game as well.
On the other hand, there is always risk. Though it's not money, we are still gambling something that carries monetary value. Definitely if we are going gamble it and lose then we lose, that's the risk. Smiley

I'm a little confused by what you said, isn't the point being made about whether it can still be called gambling if there's no money involved? but did it predict something? this is my understanding.
Help me understand what you are saying that although it is not money we are still gambling with something worth money. Please elaborate on what you said, thank you.

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I'm a little confused by what you said, isn't the point being made about whether it can still be called gambling if there's no money involved? but did it predict something? this is my understanding.
Help me understand what you are saying that although it is not money we are still gambling with something worth money. Please elaborate on what you said, thank you.
No need to be confused with what other people are saying or other people's statements that are here, just with your thinking argument about what Op said.
If you think that free betting gets real prizes like the Op said and you judge it to be gambling then yes it is gambling.
But if you think it's not gambling, well it's not gambling.
Pretty simple to understand.

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April 30, 2023, 11:26:16 AM
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
In login page I can't click the countries code (Bangladesh+880).


Perhaps the website is applicable to a specific country. I have repeatedly tried to enter the country code for my country but somehow the country code for my country is not given.
Since this is a prediction website, it would not be wrong to call it a gambling site. Basically they are giving free service first to promote their website and then when their website gets well known then they seem to stop giving free service.

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April 30, 2023, 12:41:06 PM
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Well poker stars has used points system for long time where you can play without real money, also zynga poker. Now I think if you care enough for the points it's gambling. Gambling is not neccesarry a bad thing either. If you care for somerhing that is betting on then it is gambling for me.
If you mean zynga poker is a poker game on Facebook, I once met a friend who bought chips collected from zynga poker and then used them to play. And when he managed to win a lot of chips, he sold the chips and got some money.

It's still gambling, even though indirectly using money. And as long as you can still control yourself while gambling, gambling is not bad. But the reality is that many people cannot control themselves while gambling and lose a lot of money. That's what makes gambling bad for him.

The last statement always relying with how a person take his gambling affiliation, if you know how to control then yes it's not bad while if you can't then expect worse thing to happen, at first maybe you are just aiming for free and thinking that you can manage to convert those free into a real cash, but once you already out of control, the chance that you will keep coming back and will deposit your hard earned money and start doing laziness to ruin your finances.
If that were what he did, he would only lose his money with no hope of getting any winnings. And most people will lose self-control when they are playing gambling and instead of stopping gambling, they are even more eager to win the gambling game. And after they lose all their money, they go home with regrets but that doesn't really stop them because they want to gamble again a few days later. And when they try to gamble again the next day, they still get the same result even if they use their hard earned money. Only wise people can control themselves by always limiting their money to gambling.

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April 30, 2023, 02:17:29 PM
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You can gamble with or without money, and it's still a gambling, people use their houses to gamble when they are short of cash and there are addictive gamblers in China that have used their daughters to gamble away, if they lose their game the winner takes the daughter, I read this in a history book when things were extremely hard for people in China years ago, you don't have to use money or anything to gamble and it's still a gamble, trying to make a uncertain decision, predicting the outcome of any situation, is gambling.

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You will win a gift card if you tell me exactly what Bitcoin's price will be at 12 PM tomorrow. You only have to guess what the price will be, so you have to guess. As of right now, you do not know, and you can just say no, that you don't know, but since you want to win, you will have to gamble, so luck will be the only thing you can rely on.
How would you consider that gambling for me when I don't have anything at stake at all? Even if I don't guess the price correctly, I'm not going to lose anything, it's just that you won't lose your money since you had a bet of a gift card to give me if I guessed the price correctly. It would be gambling for me if I also said that if I don't guess it right, I will also give you a gift card.

About the old story you mentioned where Chinese men used to put their daughters on the stake in gambling, such things happen even in the present but it is just that these things don't always come in the news and the general public doesn't know.

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May 01, 2023, 04:50:55 AM
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Some of our prediction are gone wrong and right for example we predict that our favorite team will win their game, but they failed to do that so our prediction not gonna work. But sometimes what we predict is what will happen so it's a sort of lucky day. But it's better to understand more things than predicting all the time. Gathered some knowledge in order to be more great in gambling is better than predicting.
Yes, it's true, friend, predictions are just guesses that are not necessarily sure of the results, so you could win, you might lose, but when predicting a sports match using basic insight and knowledge about the two teams playing, we can find the right and good predictions.
Many gamblers get betting predictions without doing research and basic knowledge so they only see and immediately determine bets and rely on suggestions or belief that the team will win.
If this is continuously done, many people will always lose bets.

By learning a lot about experience and knowledge in the sports industry, one can get it easier when choosing a team to bet on.

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May 01, 2023, 08:21:21 AM
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You can gamble with or without money, and it's still a gambling, people use their houses to gamble when they are short of cash and there are addictive gamblers in China that have used their daughters to gamble away, if they lose their game the winner takes the daughter, I read this in a history book when things were extremely hard for people in China years ago, you don't have to use money or anything to gamble and it's still a gamble, trying to make a uncertain decision, predicting the outcome of any situation, is gambling.

For Example

You will win a gift card if you tell me exactly what Bitcoin's price will be at 12 PM tomorrow. You only have to guess what the price will be, so you have to guess. As of right now, you do not know, and you can just say no, that you don't know, but since you want to win, you will have to gamble, so luck will be the only thing you can rely on.
How would you consider that gambling for me when I don't have anything at stake at all? Even if I don't guess the price correctly, I'm not going to lose anything, it's just that you won't lose your money since you had a bet of a gift card to give me if I guessed the price correctly. It would be gambling for me if I also said that if I don't guess it right, I will also give you a gift card.

About the old story you mentioned where Chinese men used to put their daughters on the stake in gambling, such things happen even in the present but it is just that these things don't always come in the news and the general public doesn't know.
Indeed. It's still happening nowadays. In fact just recently a mother here sold her kid and use the money to bet in gambling, she is an addicted gambler and always chase her losses. Lack of money pushed her to commit such crime of selling her own kid just to sustain her addiction. I believe stories like these are still existing and if not caught, won't be in the news.

Anyway, as I have said before, if you didn't stake something valuable (money, properties etc.) it is not gambling. I would call it as a free game because if you predict it right you will win, if not it's still fine because you didn't stake anything.

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Last edit: May 01, 2023, 09:56:35 PM by STT
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Yes you can gamble without money, the earliest game I remember was gambling or playing for marbles which is a type of risk and loss.    Depends how you call it, some would say its a competitive game where you risk an item of undetermined value (ie. not cash).  Definitely it doesn't have to be for cash, I've been on sites where it was purely reputation and the idea was to predict game outcomes and build up a solid track record as the best predictor in that sport, a bet for Kudos.   In that case the site gains site traffic and can sell advertising or sponsorship perhaps and you as a person might get the rep to start selling a bet prediction service perhaps.

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May 01, 2023, 09:18:34 AM
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You can gamble with or without money, and it's still a gambling, people use their houses to gamble when they are short of cash and there are addictive gamblers in China that have used their daughters to gamble away, if they lose their game the winner takes the daughter, I read this in a history book when things were extremely hard for people in China years ago, you don't have to use money or anything to gamble and it's still a gamble, trying to make a uncertain decision, predicting the outcome of any situation, is gambling.

For Example

You will win a gift card if you tell me exactly what Bitcoin's price will be at 12 PM tomorrow. You only have to guess what the price will be, so you have to guess. As of right now, you do not know, and you can just say no, that you don't know, but since you want to win, you will have to gamble, so luck will be the only thing you can rely on.

I don't get your point, how can you gamble if you don't have any money? particularly if you are in a casino here on crypto gambling. It is not possible that what you bet is something in the online casino.

      Maybe even if you are in a physical casino, you can bet on things or material that you have such as a luxury car, expensive jewelry,
and others such as land and house. This is the only thing I know that is allowed in gambling, but online is not allowed



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