Without money, does it still qualify as gambling?

[romero121]

When there is no money involved that doesn't mean to be gambling. There are lot many choices available to start our gambling activities. The very first thing being the usage of demo account as well as the play tokens. When we play using those demo and play tokens we'll have the thinking that gambling is the same. Here they'll be able to make good winning and accumulate more play tokens. This gives the confidence and they start to gamble with real money. First of all they should understand that the script being used with the demo and the real gambling platforms were different.

[Zoomic]

When there is no money involved that doesn't mean to be gambling. There are lot many choices available to start our gambling activities. The very first thing being the usage of demo account as well as the play tokens. When we play using those demo and play tokens we'll have the thinking that gambling is the same. Here they'll be able to make good winning and accumulate more play tokens. This gives the confidence and they start to gamble with real money. First of all they should understand that the script being used with the demo and the real gambling platforms were different.

For it to be gambling, you must have something you have set up to lose in order to recieve a bigger reward. This means your;

•   Money
•   Property
•   Time

must be staked before it is called gambling.
What you explained seems to have a deviation from Op who was saying about Super sports pick.

[delfastTions]

Here I think that the issue of gambling/non-gambling is not solved quite so simply.  

It's simple, if there is money involved then is gambling, and if users are playing just to have fun without money involved then it's gaming.

In the OP post, we can deduct it's gambling because even if we are not risking our money we can win money with the predictions. And that's why I think that chance to end with profit makes from those kinds of bets gambling.

A good example of this is the Flappy Coin apk that used to pay BTC some years ago, it didn't have a cost to play and we had the chance to walk away with money, for me that's gambling.

Not certainly in that way.  
For those communities and peoples where money is an absolute priority and actually stands above God and divine manifestations in people's lives, this definition ("gambling") is really concrete and determined exclusively by money.  This, for example, is confirmed by the Encyclopædia Britannica for the corresponding global totality of the population of a part of the globe.  In other communities and peoples, where money can never be higher than divine providence!  , gambling can also be used to define simply "games" in the concept of the same Encyclopædia Britannica.  So much in the understanding of what is discussed in this topic, and the difference in this understanding, depends on the belonging of a particular person to a certain community.  
I now think that this is something like this, although I explained it rather superficially, but I hope it is clear.

For this reason, the question posed by the OP is worth looking at as a perfectly legitimate and interesting question.  The solution of which does not seem as simple as it seemed at first to many here on the forum.

[xSkylarx]

When there is no money involved that doesn't mean to be gambling. There are lot many choices available to start our gambling activities. The very first thing being the usage of demo account as well as the play tokens. When we play using those demo and play tokens we'll have the thinking that gambling is the same. Here they'll be able to make good winning and accumulate more play tokens. This gives the confidence and they start to gamble with real money. First of all they should understand that the script being used with the demo and the real gambling platforms were different.

For it to be gambling, you must have something you have set up to lose in order to recieve a bigger reward. This means your;

•  Money
•  Property
•  Time

must be staked before it is called gambling.
What you explained seems to have a deviation from Op who was saying about Super sports pick.

How about a dare or an effort? It is not always about physical items. Let's say what we've done when we were children: we kind of bet, like, Let's have a race, If you'll go first, you'll punch me; if not, I'll punch you, or something like this. As long as it has a return, it is still gambling. It is not always a bigger reward; it is also having fun with it, but again, we do have our own perspectives on this.

[Wiwo]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Yes this can be called gambling because it involves staking and predicting a result,  I have seen the announcement of this free prediction game popping up of that event comes up on my dstv app,  but from the terms and conditions of the game, I discovered that it was almost impossible to win since the entry requirement and winner selection process.

Just like picking a jackpot ticket,  where player stakes their money,  but this one is in a form of a loyalty reward for their customer so dstfacesce the cost but that doesn't change the fact that this is still gambling.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

For it to be gambling, you must have something you have set up to lose in order to recieve a bigger reward. This means your;

•   Money
•   Property
•   Time

must be staked before it is called gambling.
What you explained seems to have a deviation from Op who was saying about Super sports pick.

I so much believe in this idea, there must be something to stand as stake for it to be regarded as gambling, this stake can come in any form and we can choose whatever option being affordable for us base on the agreement and conditions on gambling with those that are involved, this will show as a proof of how determined we are in making the bet and what we can call the whole play being gambling and if not otherwise, we are only making entertainment together with other forms of play when we did not bet with something, it's can't be termed gambling.

[summonerrk]

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It's a really good way of looking at it, well maybe you pick up the skills faster than me, sometimes I've tried to do that and I make mistakes that sometimes cost me some money that I need later to develop a better game, but what? that? Maybe I am very prepared when it comes to doing anything in the casino, but I know myself, I prefer to spend a lot of time in the demo part to learn well each tool that the game offers us and then when I feel confident Good My real bets are I do it with real money, maybe I'm a bit methodical, but I've learned that with money you shouldn't lose like that.

I give a lot of importance to playing in demo mode, because I saw the importance of demo mode from the moment I started trading, specifically in an exchange where, because I thought I knew how to put a position well, what I did was make a profit that I already had lose, so that bothered me a lot, because of that mistake I lasted 3 days in demo mode and learned many things, that's why I apply that same teaching to casino games, the truth is I don't like losing money in a stupid way , I like to do things well, but of course, there are people who have a better understanding of the tools of casinos and exchanges.

I know that there are many people who think like me, but there are also others who believe that it is a waste of time and I understand them, the emotion, the adrenaline of playing is something that makes us unique when facing the challenges of the casinos.

Discussing the amount of money that needs to be entered into the exchange so that there is a feeling that you are not trading in vain, I meant a very small amount.
And I am sure that this small amount will influence the style of trading and the responsibility of decisions much more than any, even the most huge demo account. The fact is that we think not only by measures, but also by facts. It means that in fact you are playing for money, even if it is one dollar. But this is a real dollar!
And you can't find it on the street, you can only earn it. This means that subconsciously in your training trading you will act much more consciously.

[Slow death]

A good example of this is the Flappy Coin apk that used to pay BTC some years ago, it didn't have a cost to play and we had the chance to walk away with money, for me that's gambling.

every game that people bet money or some good is considered a game of chance, in a basketball or soccer match or video game in which people don't bet money or some good will be considered a simple game, there are countries where gambling are prohibited, but there are video games and people play without problems because the government allows it because they are not being considered gambling, but if two people take the video game and organize a tournament in which each person puts a certain amount of money and have a video game dispute in which each person who put in the money plays, so the winner of the tournament takes all the money, it will not be considered gambling

soon it would be allowed, but the scenario would change when the same people decide to organize a video game tournament and other people bet (put money or some good) on who will be the winner of the tournament, then this will be considered a gambling and will be prohibited in that country in which the government prohibited gambling, and it is always good for people to be careful with these differences, although they seem small differences, still in practice it is something very different because it has consequences in case of any infraction of the laws placed in that country

[Fortify]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

While technically it could be called gambling, it's definitely not in the same league as risking real money on a bet. With virtual currency, that has no exchangeable value, you can never judge the quality of your opponent and their betting patterns almost become meaningless - so it's hard to improve or derive practical knowledge if your intention was to convert to paid betting later. As the person placing the bet, you will be more likely to take time and think through your betting strategy when real money is at risk.

[piebeyb]

When there is no money involved that doesn't mean to be gambling. There are lot many choices available to start our gambling activities. The very first thing being the usage of demo account as well as the play tokens. When we play using those demo and play tokens we'll have the thinking that gambling is the same. Here they'll be able to make good winning and accumulate more play tokens. This gives the confidence and they start to gamble with real money. First of all they should understand that the script being used with the demo and the real gambling platforms were different.

Yes, you are right that it cannot be said to be gambling if without money, even though demo money cannot be said to be gambling either because with demo money gamblers can only play for testing the game, not more than that, therefore without money it cannot be called gambling. because gambling requires an item or object of value to bet on, it doesn't have to be money, it can be in the form of an asset or something like a vehicle.

I also often bet with my friends, sometimes using my cellphone, I don't have to use money when I want to bet with my friends, and I can use my cellphone for my bets or vehicles, even though it's not required, as long as I gamble with other people, there's no problem except betting. with bookies, of course it will be difficult and high risk.

[Docnaster]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

While technically it could be called gambling, it's definitely not in the same league as risking real money on a bet. With virtual currency, that has no exchangeable value, you can never judge the quality of your opponent and their betting patterns almost become meaningless - so it's hard to improve or derive practical knowledge if your intention was to convert to paid betting later. As the person placing the bet, you will be more likely to take time and think through your betting strategy when real money is at risk.

If someone is betting without losing any kind of money, the emotion and tention that comes with gambling will not be there.
It will just simply look like a child's play and that I will not strongly call gambling.
However, it is said that gambling is for fun. If the statement is to be true and someone is having fun making gambling that does not involve money. That means they are fulfilling the part of the gambling that is fun and not to damage emotion or lead to addiction.

[Juse14]

When there is no money involved that doesn't mean to be gambling. There are lot many choices available to start our gambling activities. The very first thing being the usage of demo account as well as the play tokens. When we play using those demo and play tokens we'll have the thinking that gambling is the same. Here they'll be able to make good winning and accumulate more play tokens. This gives the confidence and they start to gamble with real money. First of all they should understand that the script being used with the demo and the real gambling platforms were different.

Yes, you are right that it cannot be said to be gambling if without money, even though demo money cannot be said to be gambling either because with demo money gamblers can only play for testing the game, not more than that, therefore without money it cannot be called gambling. because gambling requires an item or object of value to bet on, it doesn't have to be money, it can be in the form of an asset or something like a vehicle.

I also often bet with my friends, sometimes using my cellphone, I don't have to use money when I want to bet with my friends, and I can use my cellphone for my bets or vehicles, even though it's not required, as long as I gamble with other people, there's no problem except betting. with bookies, of course it will be difficult and high risk.

I agree with your opinion, that the name of gambling is not only fixated on money. Another word for gambling is betting, and meanwhile a person can gamble not only with money alone, but it could be goods or property assets that are used as collateral for betting. And it is true that betting using goods or property assets occurs more often in friendship circles. Meanwhile, for casinos, especially online gambling, most of them use money as collateral to bet or change it in the form of chips. So for certain places "you have money please play, your money is finished please go and if you don't have money don't come here.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Of course, we as players, as traders, will always find ourselves on occasions with many places where we will see demo accounts, play money and everything that has to do with what is demo, which is not bad, it is taken into consideration that a person when you don't know how to make a bet, the demo mode is your salvation, because it doesn't matter if you lose money, it's a demo mode, the money is fictitious, it's also for that, to learn how to use the tools that the casino offers in a game specific, the same happens with exchanges, there are many tools, and you can try all of them and learn to use them.

Casinos and exchanges have this point in common, that they have demo mode or play money, for me it is super important that in demo mode of an exchange you can operate first, and in casinos once you have full knowledge of how to play so that they venture into the real mode with real money.

Well you are very correct and that is why we refers to casino and exchange as sister service providers because future trading is same as gambling because you risk losing all at some point and this have made many newbies to both trading and gambling to have similar experiences and because of experience many of them have lost good money because the did not not know or master the act of gambling or trading between demo account and the real live games. After all, this is two different things and at that, we must learn the difference between both of them.

I use to play a demo game and I have almost 80% winning chances at that, I thought the same will apply to the next real live games and thereafter most of my bets were all lost. 

   -  Future trading is a very high risk, if you don't have knowledge you are really gambling money there, which is no different from gambling. That the average loss is too high like playing gambling in a casino.

That's why when I gamble, it's usually only on slot games so even without a demo, you can start betting here. So what you mentioned is also correct and I do not oppose it. The only thing I don't understand is how you get 80% winnings in gambling.

I could say that in games of chance if sports betting is included it is a good way to win and be very sure of it, however when we play a slot machine or something like that in a casino, we can be lucky and have a good profit, but sports bets are more given to what we know and not to what we can leave to chance, I have seen that if we are fans of a specific sport we know so much that we could even place bets and these bets could win them, so why? not take advantage of that Knowledge that is There?

As active casino players, and as bettors, we know that the difference is very notable, in a casino, when we play roulette, dice, luck is what tells us what we can and cannot do, on the other hand, in dpoertia bets, at least I I have a high probability of successes, because I am very aware of the soccer leagues, especially the European ones, because that is where I consider that this is concentrating the greatest interest of the most famous players, although now they are going a lot to the Middle East, so when we bet on a team, we know we are betting because we know that team, its players, coach and what the players are capable of.

For every f game, the Story is different, there is always something that is not seen in another game , what I see is that sports betting players have more money than those who play in a casino ,  whether online or Physical.

[Bushdark]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

While technically it could be called gambling, it's definitely not in the same league as risking real money on a bet. With virtual currency, that has no exchangeable value, you can never judge the quality of your opponent and their betting patterns almost become meaningless - so it's hard to improve or derive practical knowledge if your intention was to convert to paid betting later. As the person placing the bet, you will be more likely to take time and think through your betting strategy when real money is at risk.

Gambling that does not involve money is just like we are trading on a demo account. Those that know what they are doing will understand that it is totally unnecessary to gamble with money. Money is the backbone on all gambling activities because the money involved will make everyone to come for the money and earn some good profits. When money is not involved or financial materials and object, people are not going to take that seriously because they have nothing to lose at the end of everything. Whether we gamble rarely or often, money is what makes us want to gamble more as a gambler.

[o48o]

My own experience clearly shows that using demo accounts and practicing your actions on a demo account is not just a waste of time, but also a completely harmful activity for the simple reason that it takes your time and does not allow you to really develop the necessary skills.  It is much better and more correct to use not a demo version in trading and games, but very small real deposits in cryptocurrency.  For example, a few dollars, losing which is almost imperceptible to your budget.  
Thus, you will develop the necessary skills much faster and more correctly.

I guess it depends on your definition of harmful. I use demo games often for fun, to reset my head. To relax my brain when i don't have to think anything. Just look at the screen and enjoy. I do that with mobile games that have nothing to do with casinos as well. Of course i know i am not gaining any skills or building anything useful but that's the whole point.

I don't think everything should be measured on how productive and efficient things are. And even if they would be measured by that, sometimes brains overloaded with expectations and work and when everything is circulating around profitability and productivity, you sometimes need to just relax and think of nothing. Obviously you could do that without any screen, but not all brains are wired in same way and people have different ways to relax. I am using demo games for that these days.

[delfastTions]

My own experience clearly shows that using demo accounts and practicing your actions on a demo account is not just a waste of time, but also a completely harmful activity for the simple reason that it takes your time and does not allow you to really develop the necessary skills.  It is much better and more correct to use not a demo version in trading and games, but very small real deposits in cryptocurrency.  For example, a few dollars, losing which is almost imperceptible to your budget.  
Thus, you will develop the necessary skills much faster and more correctly.

I guess it depends on your definition of harmful. I use demo games often for fun, to reset my head. To relax my brain when i don't have to think anything. Just look at the screen and enjoy. I do that with mobile games that have nothing to do with casinos as well. Of course i know i am not gaining any skills or building anything useful but that's the whole point.

I don't think everything should be measured on how productive and efficient things are. And even if they would be measured by that, sometimes brains overloaded with expectations and work and when everything is circulating around profitability and productivity, you sometimes need to just relax and think of nothing. Obviously you could do that without any screen, but not all brains are wired in same way and people have different ways to relax. I am using demo games for that these days.

Of course, this use of demo games is also possible.  I can understand that it can really help to relax and just have a little fun. 
But in my post I said that using a demo game to develop skills in some kind of gambling for money, or even more so for training in practical trading, is still not worth it, because using the demo version develops slightly incorrect skills in terms of obtaining  you profit or minimize the loss of money.  This happens, in my opinion, on a subconscious level, even if you yourself are sure that training on a demo account goes exactly the same as with a small amount on a real account.  I think there is still a difference. 
Well, just for fun, of course, you can play the demo.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

When there is no money involved that doesn't mean to be gambling. There are lot many choices available to start our gambling activities. The very first thing being the usage of demo account as well as the play tokens. When we play using those demo and play tokens we'll have the thinking that gambling is the same. Here they'll be able to make good winning and accumulate more play tokens. This gives the confidence and they start to gamble with real money. First of all they should understand that the script being used with the demo and the real gambling platforms were different.

Aside the possibility to gamble with real money on the real casino and the possibility to gamble with a visual money on a demo casino, what else could be the difference in the two?, maybe you mind explaining further on this since i personally would like to learn the difference.
Is it possible that in the demo casino script, demo players win more easily since the winning is not real money?, if yes, how can i or we believe this to be true?

I personally have always seen the demo versions of casinos as a platform to learn a thing or two about some games, the same way traders learn trading by first practicing trading on a demo account, and me being someone who many a times play on demo mode on casino when i have no money to do real gambling, it has never occurred to me that the script for demo version of a casino is different from the real casino, aside the visual and real money difference which is actually supposed to be so.

[traderethereum]

Gambling that does not involve money is just like we are trading on a demo account. Those that know what they are doing will understand that it is totally unnecessary to gamble with money. Money is the backbone on all gambling activities because the money involved will make everyone to come for the money and earn some good profits. When money is not involved or financial materials and object, people are not going to take that seriously because they have nothing to lose at the end of everything. Whether we gamble rarely or often, money is what makes us want to gamble more as a gambler.

But what if the object is not money, meaning that if we guess something and guess it correctly, we get a reward in kind?
That also includes gambling, right? Because there is a prize behind us guessing it. But if we just guess and there are no rewards or prizes, it's not gambling.
For example, we guess who will qualify for the final round with friends and don't tie it with prizes for those who guess it. That's not gambling.
But usually, when they are bored because there is no prize, they immediately change it to have a prize for the winner.
And even though it's not using money but goods, it's still called gambling because there are prizes.

[Zoomic]

For it to be gambling, you must have something you have set up to lose in order to recieve a bigger reward. This means your;

•  Money
•  Property
•  Time

must be staked before it is called gambling.
What you explained seems to have a deviation from Op who was saying about Super sports pick.

How about a dare or an effort? It is not always about physical items. Let's say what we've done when we were children: we kind of bet, like, Let's have a race, If you'll go first, you'll punch me; if not, I'll punch you, or something like this. As long as it has a return, it is still gambling. It is not always a bigger reward; it is also having fun with it, but again, we do have our own perspectives on this.

We are saying the same thing. Somthing must be staked and it must not be physical something. Like the children race you used as an instance, the punch that the loser gets is the loss and the pleasure that the winner derives in punching is the win.

Just like in the olden days people gamble with life, when you lose you are dead. That is very weird and yet it is gambling and people practised it. You must have something to lose to qualify as gambling.

[paxmao]

For it to be gambling, you must have something you have set up to lose in order to recieve a bigger reward. This means your;

•  Money
•  Property
•  Time

must be staked before it is called gambling.
What you explained seems to have a deviation from Op who was saying about Super sports pick.

How about a dare or an effort? It is not always about physical items. Let's say what we've done when we were children: we kind of bet, like, Let's have a race, If you'll go first, you'll punch me; if not, I'll punch you, or something like this. As long as it has a return, it is still gambling. It is not always a bigger reward; it is also having fun with it, but again, we do have our own perspectives on this.

We are saying the same thing. Somthing must be staked and it must not be physical something. Like the children race you used as an instance, the punch that the loser gets is the loss and the pleasure that the winner derives in punching is the win.

Just like in the olden days people gamble with life, when you lose you are dead. That is very weird and yet it is gambling and people practised it. You must have something to lose to qualify as gambling.

Yep, that is a fact of life, gambling is taking chances and while some people are better at evaluating possible outcomes, most people, and this is scientifically proven, pretty much suck at evaluating risks. And it is something that goes with age and experience also, older people or people with experience on a certain field are slightly better at fining the right decissions.