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Author Topic: [UNRESPONSIVE POOL OPERATOR] 50BTC.com  (Read 240550 times)
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December 22, 2013, 03:30:55 AM
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Just tried to withdraw my btc, got  "server maintenance, try again later"

Logged back in an hour later, and my btc were gone, with no transaction made.......
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December 22, 2013, 08:42:40 AM
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Some Updates:

They are all day long online but not Responding via E-Mail, Skype or Support Ticket. So there will be no possibility to recover the already mined BTC. I think they have been "gone".
So in my opinion this is a scam/fraud pool with a robber as owner.

I get them 48 hours to answer via one channel but nothing happened. I think everyone is a bit pissed now.

What is curious: one week ago skype showed them from russia, not it shows them from swiss. Maybe i will make a journey to them (it only takes 2-4 hours to get there) and talk to them face to face.

I don't like to go to any government, but it looks like the only solution to get something back (even when it is 50 % of what i've mined).
I already talked to a lawyer of the state and he confirmed that what they've done is fraud/robbery (he is a friend).

I will aslo post you now the Chat History before the Update on their Website came online:

 
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[17.12.2013 10:51:05] "ME": [Donnerstag, 12. Dezember 2013 12:50] "ME":

<<< [Freitag, 6. Dezember 2013 16:17] "ME":

<<< [Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2013 12:32] "ME":

<<< Hello, when will payouts be enabled again? I want to payout my funds to get them on a safe place..— "ME", Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2013 12:32— "ME", Freitag, 6. Dezember 2013 16:17
[17.12.2013 10:55:07] "ME": it only take 2 minutes to respond...
[17.12.2013 10:55:39] "ME": but it will take a long time when the governments are involved... think about it. We can work something out together and get an solution
[17.12.2013 11:00:10] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: Hello!
Currently we're performing a closed beta of our new pool system which is more safer and stable.  
Today we are starting a test on our new system and it will be a pleasure for us you to be the part of it. This way you will be able to see entire process from the inside. 
Our main goal is to start a new system and we're working on it as hard as we can.  We have a lot of pending payments so it could take some time to sort things out with an old billing system. There are a lot of issues with it that has to be taken care of.

[17.12.2013 11:00:55] "ME": Why you didnt publish this informations on bitcointalk or your website?
[17.12.2013 11:01:17] "ME": there are many people who want to involve the Govs + Police.
[17.12.2013 11:01:41] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: Well, It’s a closed beta – we don't want to publish any information yet.
[17.12.2013 11:02:06] "ME": but you can make an status update. only saying we're working on it
[17.12.2013 11:02:09] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: We'll release a big status update as soon as new pool's system is up and running.
[17.12.2013 11:02:30] "ME": many people lost their home, get evicted or have go to jail because of this "maybe scam"--
[17.12.2013 11:02:58] "ME": no, release something now, the community don'T want to wait anymore
[17.12.2013 11:06:50] "ME": okay sorry now, but i can't get this following in english: Freunde, an eurer Stelle würde mir der Arsch auf Grundeis gehen. Wir reden knapp von 0,5 Mio  € und in der Liebe und beim Geld hört die Freundschaft auf..
[17.12.2013 11:12:39] "ME": so my dears, what to do know, keep waiting and hiding or publish some informations?
[17.12.2013 11:12:50] "ME": on Bitcointalk.org and on your website...
[17.12.2013 11:18:51] "ME": come on guys, i don't want to stress you or that someone is going to involve the Govs, but it looks like that there will be no other solution atm.
So don't be like a Peacock, inform your "customers" and get in touch with them over the community and your HP
[17.12.2013 11:39:41] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: We want to make sure that our new system is safe and stable that's why we're testing it with a help of small amount of users - we're not ready for public testing yet. We will make public announce as soon as system is up and running.
[17.12.2013 11:40:28] "ME": but why you don'T publish this text you send me?
[17.12.2013 11:40:43] "ME": guys, there are many people who want to involve the governemnts
[17.12.2013 11:41:14] "ME": it looks like a international fraud from russia and victims in germany, USA and maybe all over the world...
[17.12.2013 11:41:36] "ME": We are talking bout 360.000 € already "lost" money...
[17.12.2013 11:46:03] "ME": why you don't reply to "The Free Bitcoins List". He wants to involve russian, US and German governments if you didn't get in touch with him in the next 5 minutes
[17.12.2013 11:46:05] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: We don't want to draw public attention yet, as soon as we made an announce there will be a wave of requests, queries etc. that will only distract us from the main goal - service start.
[17.12.2013 11:46:13] "ME": Then this will be a international fraud crime
[17.12.2013 11:46:43] "ME": Okay, i undertstand your opinion but this is not a good way
[17.12.2013 11:47:21] "ME": the people want informations about their mined money
[17.12.2013 11:47:28] "ME": now it looks like everytzhing is lost
[17.12.2013 11:47:41] "ME": because your database is broken and you got no Backups..[17.12.2013 10:51:05] "ME": [Donnerstag, 12. Dezember 2013 12:50] "ME":

<<< [Freitag, 6. Dezember 2013 16:17] "ME":

<<< [Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2013 12:32] "ME":

<<< Hello, when will payouts be enabled again? I want to payout my funds to get them on a safe place..— "ME", Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2013 12:32— "ME", Freitag, 6. Dezember 2013 16:17
[17.12.2013 10:55:07] "ME": it only take 2 minutes to respond...
[17.12.2013 10:55:39] "ME": but it will take a long time when the governments are involved... think about it. We can work something out together and get an solution
[17.12.2013 11:00:10] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: Hello!
Currently we're performing a closed beta of our new pool system which is more safer and stable.  
Today we are starting a test on our new system and it will be a pleasure for us you to be the part of it. This way you will be able to see entire process from the inside. 
Our main goal is to start a new system and we're working on it as hard as we can.  We have a lot of pending payments so it could take some time to sort things out with an old billing system. There are a lot of issues with it that has to be taken care of.

[17.12.2013 11:00:55] "ME": Why you didnt publish this informations on bitcointalk or your website?
[17.12.2013 11:01:17] "ME": there are many people who want to involve the Govs + Police.
[17.12.2013 11:01:41] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: Well, It’s a closed beta – we don't want to publish any information yet.
[17.12.2013 11:02:06] "ME": but you can make an status update. only saying we're working on it
[17.12.2013 11:02:09] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: We'll release a big status update as soon as new pool's system is up and running.
[17.12.2013 11:02:30] "ME": many people lost their home, get evicted or have go to jail because of this "maybe scam"--
[17.12.2013 11:02:58] "ME": no, release something now, the community don'T want to wait anymore
[17.12.2013 11:06:50] "ME": okay sorry now, but i can't get this following in english: Freunde, an eurer Stelle würde mir der Arsch auf Grundeis gehen. Wir reden knapp von 0,5 Mio  € und in der Liebe und beim Geld hört die Freundschaft auf..
[17.12.2013 11:12:39] "ME": so my dears, what to do know, keep waiting and hiding or publish some informations?
[17.12.2013 11:12:50] "ME": on Bitcointalk.org and on your website...
[17.12.2013 11:18:51] "ME": come on guys, i don't want to stress you or that someone is going to involve the Govs, but it looks like that there will be no other solution atm.
So don't be like a Peacock, inform your "customers" and get in touch with them over the community and your HP
[17.12.2013 11:39:41] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: We want to make sure that our new system is safe and stable that's why we're testing it with a help of small amount of users - we're not ready for public testing yet. We will make public announce as soon as system is up and running.
[17.12.2013 11:40:28] "ME": but why you don'T publish this text you send me?
[17.12.2013 11:40:43] "ME": guys, there are many people who want to involve the governemnts
[17.12.2013 11:41:14] "ME": it looks like a international fraud from russia and victims in germany, USA and maybe all over the world...
[17.12.2013 11:41:36] "ME": We are talking bout 360.000 € already "lost" money...
[17.12.2013 11:46:03] "ME": why you don't reply to "The Free Bitcoins List". He wants to involve russian, US and German governments if you didn't get in touch with him in the next 5 minutes
[17.12.2013 11:46:05] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: We don't want to draw public attention yet, as soon as we made an announce there will be a wave of requests, queries etc. that will only distract us from the main goal - service start.
[17.12.2013 11:46:13] "ME": Then this will be a international fraud crime
[17.12.2013 11:46:43] "ME": Okay, i undertstand your opinion but this is not a good way
[17.12.2013 11:47:21] "ME": the people want informations about their mined money
[17.12.2013 11:47:28] "ME": now it looks like everytzhing is lost
[17.12.2013 11:47:41] "ME": because your database is broken and you got no Backups..

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December 22, 2013, 09:09:08 AM
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[17.12.2013 11:46:05] Pool 50BTC.com VIP Support: We don't want to draw public attention yet, as soon as we made an announce there will be a wave of requests, queries etc. that will only distract us from the main goal - service start.

This post confirms it for me. Their goal is not to communicate or reassure its workers that they will be reimbursed for withheld coin, but to ensure THEY can bring the service back and start earning money again. Personally my losses are minimal (~0.8BTC) but naturally am concerned that such a high valued and well respected pool can turn rogue in such a short space of time. I guess it shows that greed, in certain people, will always overpower loyalty.

...on a side note, with my experience and knowledge of domain hosting as well as tools available to me in the telecoms and hosting industry, i'll certainly be attempting to uncover the real registrar of the 50BTC domain; any findings (providing it doesnt violate forums rules) will be shared for everyones perusal.
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December 22, 2013, 09:25:17 PM
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Not advocating one way or the other, but out of curiosity I mined .01BTC there yesterday and withdrew it successfully (although it took ~8 hours from the time I did the manual withdraw to the time it showed up)

https://blockchain.info/address/12vPmKxjU2PK56TANqeZrz6Noe16Z4yabS

BTC: 1L86EDpwUSm5GiJPZvXeCSXA2ebbEbBGBh
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December 23, 2013, 04:25:13 AM
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Balance Showing 0 for me ALSO

and now missing the 44.251xxxxx BTC payment that was listed as processing under the old site pages

i've got a ~77BTC payment that's missing
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December 23, 2013, 07:00:58 AM
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A lot of you might want to think carefully about whether those really are double-digit numbers of bitcoins the site claims you had.

As others have pointed out, the database on their site is corrupted, and some say 10000x figures are being shown.

Unless you were mining in late 2010 or early 2011 in a quite serious manner, or mining more recently with extremely huge mining rig arrays, then I don't see how you'd even have 10 BTC. And if you were leaving so much BTC on a pool well that is just bad practice. IIRC this pool encourage / had enabled by default autopayouts. So you are kind of to blame if you were using it like a bank and actually did have whole integer values of coins on the site...

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December 23, 2013, 07:40:36 AM
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A lot of you might want to think carefully about whether those really are double-digit numbers of bitcoins the site claims you had.

As others have pointed out, the database on their site is corrupted, and some say 10000x figures are being shown.

Unless you were mining in late 2010 or early 2011 in a quite serious manner, or mining more recently with extremely huge mining rig arrays, then I don't see how you'd even have 10 BTC. And if you were leaving so much BTC on a pool well that is just bad practice. IIRC this pool encourage / had enabled by default autopayouts. So you are kind of to blame if you were using it like a bank and actually did have whole integer values of coins on the site...

I think even when it is 0,001 BTC which they are holding.
They hold it and people have mined it and want their money. After a very long time of abstinence they are not ready for communication with "their customers".
And that is really not okay.

After they registered that some people will involve the Governments they reactet. Sorry i can't believe in a hacker anymore. It looks like a big scam/fraud operation from the owners.

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December 23, 2013, 02:33:18 PM
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A lot of you might want to think carefully about whether those really are double-digit numbers of bitcoins the site claims you had.

As others have pointed out, the database on their site is corrupted, and some say 10000x figures are being shown.

Unless you were mining in late 2010 or early 2011 in a quite serious manner, or mining more recently with extremely huge mining rig arrays, then I don't see how you'd even have 10 BTC. And if you were leaving so much BTC on a pool well that is just bad practice. IIRC this pool encourage / had enabled by default autopayouts. So you are kind of to blame if you were using it like a bank and actually did have whole integer values of coins on the site...

I had 2 Avalons mining on there since the day Yifu finally delivered. 176BTC was mined total... I lost 91.
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December 23, 2013, 03:34:37 PM
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My latest payment has not been credited into account! There are about 147 BTC!
Revision of these sites, but after you are gone. Why? Please explain to me! ! ! ! ! !
I have sent a private message to you!!
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December 24, 2013, 08:01:17 AM
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Needs to hire people to search for pool owners, after not explain in a tolerant form of these owners do that so bad, without recourse to the police.
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December 24, 2013, 08:10:05 AM
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Needs to hire people to search for pool owners, after not explain in a tolerant form of these owners do that so bad, without recourse to the police.

Huh did anyone understand that?

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December 24, 2013, 08:16:08 AM
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Respectfully, this sort of anonymity is kind of the "point" of Bitcoin and I doubt anyone at all is going to get any traction by talking about 'going to the police', nor will it be taken seriously even if you could find people.

Secondarily, the chances of some of these run-offs being involved in organized crime and money laundering is "significantly high".

These coins are gone, gone, gone; and ANY pool operator can and will get away with this sort of thing if they try. And chances are, people will come right back to mining after it happens. This is likely WHY some pools charge 0% fees. They aren't doing it for charity. This was likely 50btc's "endgame" from day 1: Build trust, and then run right when the price was high. Rebooting the site carries zero risk for them and 100% chance of additional coins under their purview.

I've lost a good number of BTC to several pools (early on, 2011 or such) closing down overnight. Unfortunately this is a risk calculation that everyone has to make. There is ZERO assurance that ANY pool (even Slush's - though I doubt it, since the 'slow way' to get BTCRich is to run a pool with a modest fee and take your time) - won't take your coins and run.

Yeah I have this 2% hope that 50btc will do something for its previous miners that it lost took the coins from.  But I have no realistic hope of that ever happening. And as is usual, many people will go right back to mining there again, and be shocked, shocked I tell you - when they do this again.

It'd be great to see a community developed accountability method for pools, but I don't know what that would be.
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December 24, 2013, 08:58:00 AM
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tl;dr: set your auto-payout low enough Wink

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December 25, 2013, 09:12:03 AM
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Some Updates:

They are all day long online but not Responding via E-Mail, Skype or Support Ticket. So there will be no possibility to recover the already mined BTC. I think they have been "gone".
So in my opinion this is a scam/fraud pool with a robber as owner.

I get them 48 hours to answer via one channel but nothing happened. I think everyone is a bit pissed now.

What is curious: one week ago skype showed them from russia, not it shows them from swiss. Maybe i will make a journey to them (it only takes 2-4 hours to get there) and talk to them face to face.

I don't like to go to any government, but it looks like the only solution to get something back (even when it is 50 % of what i've mined).
I already talked to a lawyer of the state and he confirmed that what they've done is fraud/robbery (he is a friend).

Hello,

According to information that we have: Your account registration date is 02.16.2013

According to data that you have provided:

On the old system you had 3 workers:

Worker 1: 2 x AMD ATI Radeon 7950 GhZ Edition
Worker 2: 2 x AMD ATI Radeon 7970 GHZ Boost Edition
Worker 3: 6 x FPGA Miner with X6500 Rev 3

Worker 1 estimated speed = 1 Gh/s
Worker 2 estimated speed = 1.2 Gh/s
Worker 3 estimated speed = ~2.3 Gh/s

Sum = 4.5 Gh/s

Estimated speed is calculated based on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison and http://store.fpgamining.com/products/x6500-rev3

Reward was calculated with http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator reward calculator.

Mining dates     Difficulty      Reward
02/16 - 02/18     3275465      1.4 BTC
02/18 - 03/01      3651012      7.5 BTC
03/01 - 03/14     4367876      7.2 BTC
03/14 - 03/24     4847647      5.3 BTC
03/24 - 04/05     6695826      3.7 BTC
04/05 - 04/17     7673000      3.4 BTC
04/17 - 04/30     8974296      3.1 BTC
04/30 - 05/12     10076293   2.8 BTC
05/12 - 05/25     11187257   2.6 BTC
05/25 - 06/05     12153412   2.1 BTC
06/05 - 06/16     15605633   1.6 BTC
06/16 - 06/29     19339258   1.5 BTC
06/29 - 07/11     21335329   1.25 BTC
07/11 - 07/22     26162876   1 BTC
07/22 - 08/03     31256961   0.86 BTC
08/03 - 08/13     37392766   0.67 BTC
08/13 - 08/24     50810339   0.48 BTC
08/24 - 09/04     65750060   0.34 BTC
09/04 - 09/14     86933018   0.26 BTC
09/14 - 09/25     112628549   0.22 BTC
09/25 - 10/06     148819200   0.16 BTC
10/06 - 10/16     189281249   0.12 BTC

Sum = 47.56 BTC

Thus, obviously based on this data your balance can’t be 71 BTC, as you mentioned, even if you never withdraw your funds and all your workers were mining 24x7 without any downtime.

Currently we’re trying really hard to recover from the attack and develop a new stable and secure system. And instead of this we’re wasting our time on this blackmail.

Regards, 50BTC.com team

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December 25, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
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Some Updates:

They are all day long online but not Responding via E-Mail, Skype or Support Ticket. So there will be no possibility to recover the already mined BTC. I think they have been "gone".
So in my opinion this is a scam/fraud pool with a robber as owner.

I get them 48 hours to answer via one channel but nothing happened. I think everyone is a bit pissed now.

What is curious: one week ago skype showed them from russia, not it shows them from swiss. Maybe i will make a journey to them (it only takes 2-4 hours to get there) and talk to them face to face.

I don't like to go to any government, but it looks like the only solution to get something back (even when it is 50 % of what i've mined).
I already talked to a lawyer of the state and he confirmed that what they've done is fraud/robbery (he is a friend).

Hello,

According to information that we have: Your account registration date is 02.16.2013

According to data that you have provided:

On the old system you had 3 workers:


Worker 1: 2 x AMD ATI Radeon 7950 GhZ Edition
Worker 2: 2 x AMD ATI Radeon 7970 GHZ Boost Edition
Worker 3: 6 x FPGA Miner with X6500 Rev 3

Worker 1 estimated speed = 1 Gh/s
Worker 2 estimated speed = 1.2 Gh/s
Worker 3 estimated speed = ~2.3 Gh/s

Sum = 4.5 Gh/s

Estimated speed is calculated based on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison and http://store.fpgamining.com/products/x6500-rev3

Reward was calculated with http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator reward calculator.

Mining dates     Difficulty      Reward
02/16 - 02/18     3275465      1.4 BTC
02/18 - 03/01      3651012      7.5 BTC
03/01 - 03/14     4367876      7.2 BTC
03/14 - 03/24     4847647      5.3 BTC
03/24 - 04/05     6695826      3.7 BTC
04/05 - 04/17     7673000      3.4 BTC
04/17 - 04/30     8974296      3.1 BTC
04/30 - 05/12     10076293   2.8 BTC
05/12 - 05/25     11187257   2.6 BTC
05/25 - 06/05     12153412   2.1 BTC
06/05 - 06/16     15605633   1.6 BTC
06/16 - 06/29     19339258   1.5 BTC
06/29 - 07/11     21335329   1.25 BTC
07/11 - 07/22     26162876   1 BTC
07/22 - 08/03     31256961   0.86 BTC
08/03 - 08/13     37392766   0.67 BTC
08/13 - 08/24     50810339   0.48 BTC
08/24 - 09/04     65750060   0.34 BTC
09/04 - 09/14     86933018   0.26 BTC
09/14 - 09/25     112628549   0.22 BTC
09/25 - 10/06     148819200   0.16 BTC
10/06 - 10/16     189281249   0.12 BTC

Sum = 47.56 BTC

Thus, obviously based on this data your balance can’t be 71 BTC, as you mentioned, even if you never withdraw your funds and all your workers were mining 24x7 without any downtime.

Currently we’re trying really hard to recover from the attack and develop a new stable and secure system. And instead of this we’re wasting our time on this blackmail.

Regards, 50BTC.com team

First of all:

Thank you for publish private Informations instead of talking via Skype or your Website or Answering an E-Mail.

Second:
Those 47.56 BTC are Missing in my Account.

And i provided you the funds before and after the Attacks, with Screenshots.

Here is my full post to you:

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Datas before Attacking:
3 Workers:
xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.org
xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.org_1
xxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxx.org_2

Worker 1: 2 x AMD ATI Radeon 7950 GhZ Edition
Worker 2: 2 x AMD ATI Radeon 7970 GHZ Boost Edition
Worker 3: 6 x FPGA Miner with X6500 Rev 3

PayOut Adresses:
1BXmbHhGk6oVmwxxxxxxxxxxxxxB - BTC-E
1A8mbodtqJj1wsgYDVxxxxxxxxxxr - BTC.de
1NVNnfrX2WpkWKTBn5Hexxxxxxxxx - without Tag

Funds before Attacks:
79.01243755

Funds during Attacks:
71.1571962

2 Payouts were requested:
71 BTC to Payoutadress with the Tag "BTC-E"
0.157 BTC to Payoutadress with the Tag "BTC.de"


(Dates with many X's inside is for privacy

Third:
Old:
Edit you post with my E-Mail Adress IMMIDIATELY!
I never provided your Personal Adress or Personal Informations here! Keep that in your Mind!

New:
Now it have been edited.


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December 25, 2013, 11:10:50 AM
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Quote from: 50BTC.com
Sum = 47.56 BTC

Thus, obviously based on this data your balance can’t be 71 BTC
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Funds before Attacks:
79.01243755
Mind -> blown.  Undecided Are you digging your own grave here or I'm too dumb to understand this?
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December 25, 2013, 11:23:01 AM
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Quote from: 50BTC.com
Sum = 47.56 BTC

Thus, obviously based on this data your balance can’t be 71 BTC
Quote from: Meyblaubaer
Funds before Attacks:
79.01243755
Mind -> blown.  Undecided Are you digging your own grave here or I'm too dumb to understand this?

I can only say, what was standing in my account and i quoted my full post to them.

It can be / is right what they calculated, but if, then the website earlier showed wrong funds.

A small Tip is welcome everytime Wink
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December 25, 2013, 12:06:15 PM
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So you have the old database info.... Where are my stats and my 91 fucking bitcoin?!?!
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December 25, 2013, 01:37:32 PM
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Do my calculations and check out my old account information. I am entitled to way more than 7 bitcoins which is all I'm asking. I am providing 40-50gh at the moment on your pool just to support you.

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December 25, 2013, 04:08:39 PM
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you guys are back ! yay !
I should of had 36cents, not a huge amount, but hey, I wouldn't mind seeing them, left over from may 2013
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