[SOLVED] Betnomi | Project status & Refund Plan!

[yahoo62278]

Well they do have to get their quotas in for their campaigns. People do not read replies period.

I used to respect your opinion as you are a reputable member in the forum. But I'm wondering in which basis you are blindly believing on Betnomi representative (Sorsis) words and saying that we are just posting here to meet our sig campaign quote! You have to look into the details instead of addressing us in this way.

Betnomi is still holding those users fund who had large balance. They accused some users and doing an investigation on some other users account now (with a large balance). The 'gentleman Sorsis' sold our email address to the spammers. Sorsis and his team have kicked out some victims from their telegram group who had complained about their stuck funds in the initial stage. They have also disabled the messages in their telegram group. This isn't a successful refund attempt by them. Still, they marked this thread as solved.

Feel free to not respect my opinion all you want, I am right in saying that there are a high number of users that DO NOT care to read other replies. They DO NOT have any money coming, yet they still post in this thread. I cannot say that they cannot or shouldn't have an interest in posting about the refund status, but I feel like they don't.

What sorsis says period I DO NOT believe. He left the forum hanging for months and then came back with some BS story. He doesn't care about the users of this forum IMO. He makes up this story, tries to save face, and immediately tries to open a new site with a token sale. I cannot say 100% they will scam, but I would be skeptical playing there.

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[bislom]

I already explained from the beginning that Betnomi is a scam project and does not pay big winners.
When people win, they suddenly cheated or defrauded. Sorsis chatwin is a scammer and every roject he is involved in is scammed.
I am sure they are not going to pay the 100k that is still open balances from customers.

[betnomi]

@Mahdirakib, I don't mean to personally attack you, but without a doubt, you are displaying a very low level of intelligence. From day one, you have been fixated on this issue, making truly uninformed statements, and presenting your unsolicited opinions as facts.

I stated on the first page of this thread that shortly after the site went into maintenance mode, I had no access to the system or platform. Secondly, there is no definitive evidence that any third party had access to our database.

A handful of users mentioned receiving spam on their registered email addresses. Again, there is no evidence that anyone accessed the database, but you seem uninterested in facts or the truth. You are comfortable specifically calling me out by name, claiming I sold the database when:

1. You can't establish that I had access to the database in the first place.
2. The database was ever sold by anyone.
3. It was specifically sold by me.

Dealing with mindless bots like yourself is very frustrating. We are actively working to resolve the situation, and in the meantime, you are here making nonsensical statements and accusing people of things you have zero idea about. For what?

[bislom]

Thank you for letting us know Nutters.

Paid:
Betwrong 400$-500$
Ahoybruise 'a rather small amount'

Not paid:
Gekkebelg 0.9btc
Stayzor 0.4btc & 4.5eth
Nutters 0.12586btc
= 105,453$

(As of February 29)

It's hilarious seeing them mark this shitshow as solved when they didn't return big amounts to certain players and many forum members congratulating them without using their brains properly.

What's actually wilder is seeing the Betnomi team actually telling others to think before throwing around accusations when they literally scammed people. Crazy!

Exactly, Betnomi pick the most active user here with refund requests to be paid and marked the thread solve hoping that other user that is not active will forget about this thread.

They seems in hurry to conclude that the refund was resolved while there’s still a lot of user that is not posting here with their refund are still not refunded despite they apply through email using the format on this thread. I’m not trying to add negativity since users funds is at stake here but I just can’t stand why this thread is marked already as resolved.

Betnomi scammed more than 100k and does not pay out winners!

[betnomi]

@Get-Paid.com Sent you a letter

@nutters, we understand you are trying to paint a rosy picture here. The idea that casinos limit players who are winning is pretty laughable and clearly uninformed. The casino's revenue is dependent on the long-term playing of the users.

It is in the casino's interest for the user to play as much as possible. For the Sportsbook, the one and only reason a user will ever get limited is if they are engaged in fraud of some kind. The fact that you got limited is a clear indication you were engaged in fraud.

The casino sets an acceptable liability that determines the user's limit by default. If the user plays normally, the casino is betting the user will lose long term. If the user is engaged in fraud, the casino needs to take action to protect itself by limiting the user. We hope you learn something today.

You only made the withdrawal request because you got limited, and you got limited because you were engaged in fraud.

If you are required to complete KYC on your withdrawal, it is not simply because you requested a withdrawal. It is a result of your previous actions (fraud).

About the whole KYC thing and your inability to complete it, we used a third-party KYC provider (Veriff). It is an automated system and available 24/7. If you failed it, it's usually due to a few reasons:

1. Fake documents
2. Already did verification
3. Using unsupported documents

Passing or failing the KYC has nothing to do with our services or systems. This is 100% dependent on the provider we used, which is one of the best in the world.

You will have fewer problems in the future if you avoid abusing other Sportsbooks.

[Get-Paid.com]

@Get-Paid.com Sent you a letter

Thanks, already replied to it and waiting to hear back, thanks again.

[Poika5]

It is in the casino's interest for the user to play as much as possible. For the Sportsbook, the one and only reason a user will ever get limited is if they are engaged in fraud of some kind. The fact that you got limited is a clear indication you were engaged in fraud.

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard. The founder of a crypto sportsbook calls every winning sports bettor a fraud.
By the way, the sports betting providers aren't perfect in profiling the customers, and long-term losers get limited all the time.

Using your brain to find a +EV bet is fraudulent - Betnomi
Even after 10 years in this business, it still never fails to amaze me how many clueless idiots/scammers there are in this space.

[bislom]

It is in the casino's interest for the user to play as much as possible. For the Sportsbook, the one and only reason a user will ever get limited is if they are engaged in fraud of some kind. The fact that you got limited is a clear indication you were engaged in fraud.

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard. The founder of a crypto sportsbook calls every winning sports bettor a fraud.
By the way, the sports betting providers aren't perfect in profiling the customers, and long-term losers get limited all the time.

Nobody frauded on the website, except the owner. Betnomi does not want to pay out her customers and giving fake arguments to steal the funds!~
Can somebody please make sure this scam site gets a red card and their new site basebet.com as well?

[Mahdirakib]

A handful of users mentioned receiving spam on their registered email addresses. Again, there is no evidence that anyone accessed the database, but you seem uninterested in facts or the truth. You are comfortable specifically calling me out by name, claiming I sold the database when:

If a handful number of users have complained about receiving spam messages, then none of the users received the refund. More people have talked about receiving spam messages than the number of users who confirmed about refund. I'm not against your refund plan, I also want the victim to get back their funds.

But how effective your refund process was? Hadn't you remained silent and intentionally kicked out the users who complained about their stuck funds on Betnomi on the telegram group? So, there is lack of transparency in your refund process. You are blaming a third person for all these things without providing any single evidence. User email database has either sold by you or by the shadow character which you have created.

[Wiwo]

I already explained from the beginning that Betnomi is a scam project and does not pay big winners.
When people win, they suddenly cheated or defrauded. Sorsis chatwin is a scammer and every project he is involved in is scammed.
I am sure they are not going to pay the 100k that is still open balances from customers.

You are not saying anything new from what has been said here on this thread severally and even the current admin here has admitted to the fact that the former Betnomi is now under the control of some unknown guys who have stolen or lucked out all the users of betnomi which confirm the former betnomi as a scam and should be avoided.

What we are discussing right now isn't the refund process that this legit team put up to try to pay those who are affected by the action of the hackers and that if you are one of the victims you can reach out to the team by following the format of filing complaints.

[PaperWallet]

Regarding some of the above cases, it is interesting to hear about. Claiming you have completed KYC as if that clears you; it really doesn't.

We are revealing our secret approach to the whole KYC situation today. It was our decision not to apply KYC across the platform and only for users engaged in fraud. The idea and reasoning behind this are that if a user engages in fraud and we close their account, they will simply create a new account and do it again. We request KYC even if we intend to close the account; this way, they use their information to complete the KYC for the existing account. If they create a new account in the future, they will fail to pass the KYC because their information has already been used (if they use the same information), or else they must find someone else to provide their information to complete the KYC. In that event, they have to do some extra work to get a new account. Even in that case, we have systems in place to detect multiple accounts, so we can detect them for the most part.

Just for clarity, any user who has been asked to complete KYC without any questions was engaged in fraud of some kind, and we generally close the accounts after the KYC, as explained above.

There are some users who cried previously that their accounts were closed after they completed the KYC. Well, here is your explanation.

Less than 0.3% of our users had KYC, for context, and the fact that you had to complete KYC says it all.

As for the people trying to make it seem like we are making excuses not to pay these users, you have your explanations now. These accounts were already flagged/closed well before we ended our services. We only sent those accounts to the external risk management team for a good measure; we might be able to get some third-party report for those seeking proof.

Again, anyone who has any legitimate claim has been refunded, and the handful of cases above are being taken care of as well.

@Get-Paid.com, please send us a DM, and we will do well to resolve your issue for you.
It is unclear what the problem is as of now.


We cannot take anyone seriously who doesn't even bother to read a page or two before commenting. An issue will be explained extensively, and a few comments later, another person is back asking the same issue, making it seem like the questions are not being answered. If you have any kind of interest in the subject, it behooves you to read before you comment. If you think it's not worth your time to understand the context from previous comments, then it is not worth our time responding to you.

Thank you all for your understanding.

Again, how is wagering my deposit 1x on the biggest sport events fraud?

Hey there, you seem to send me messages and I reply, then you come back one month later and send me same message, I reply than you disappear. I’m quoting you just in case you’re not seeing my reply. Good luck.

Just took a quick look at this thread… yet another humans who don’t believe in hell, and also think that others are idiots… But once they’re gone, they’ll suffer hell for eternity, just like FortuneJack managers, and good riddance when that divine Justice comes to happen!

[bislom]

I already explained from the beginning that Betnomi is a scam project and does not pay big winners.
When people win, they suddenly cheated or defrauded. Sorsis chatwin is a scammer and every project he is involved in is scammed.
I am sure they are not going to pay the 100k that is still open balances from customers.

You are not saying anything new from what has been said here on this thread severally and even the current admin here has admitted to the fact that the former Betnomi is now under the control of some unknown guys who have stolen or lucked out all the users of betnomi which confirm the former betnomi as a scam and should be avoided.

What we are discussing right now isn't the refund process that this legit team put up to try to pay those who are affected by the action of the hackers and that if you are one of the victims you can reach out to the team by following the format of filing complaints.

There is now new management, Sorsis is the only owner of Betnomi and he is a scammer.
Red tag this casino please! SCAM ALERT

[nutters]

It is in the casino's interest for the user to play as much as possible. For the Sportsbook, the one and only reason a user will ever get limited is if they are engaged in fraud of some kind. The fact that you got limited is a clear indication you were engaged in fraud.

The casino sets an acceptable liability that determines the user's limit by default. If the user plays normally, the casino is betting the user will lose long term. If the user is engaged in fraud, the casino needs to take action to protect itself by limiting the user. We hope you learn something today.

You only made the withdrawal request because you got limited, and you got limited because you were engaged in fraud.

Thanks for sharing again your explanation that

Winnging user in betnomi is a fraud.
Playing normally means loosing in the long term is warmly welcome.

If I was bug hunting and found glitch in your service that would just print money everytime i press button you could call me a fraud, block my account and seize all winnings, everyone would agree with that.
However, you are providing a service where I may lose or win money. If you don't like my betting patterns, you can say goodbye to me by limting me so I won't be bringing you losses anymore but if you are trying to provide a legitimate service you should pay users, even those who are not welcome.

About the whole KYC thing and your inability to complete it, we used a third-party KYC provider (Veriff). It is an automated system and available 24/7. If you failed it, it's usually due to a few reasons:

1. Fake documents
2. Already did verification
3. Using unsupported documents

Passing or failing the KYC has nothing to do with our services or systems. This is 100% dependent on the provider we used, which is one of the best in the world.

You will have fewer problems in the future if you avoid abusing other Sportsbooks.

Third-party KYC provider (Veriff) in last days before shutdown was unplugged from your service. Not only me but the others had problem to complete KYC due this "global restriction" on your site.
Casino Guru Case
However my identity got verified by this best third-party KYC provider in the world proof

I Found your transparency post on your new project twitter
https://x.com/Basebetio/status/1761062356451291582?s=20

For everyone wondering how mr. Sorsis have NOT refunded all
You can find very interesting thing, a STATEMENT where you put "All refund transactions for users who weren't able to withdraw"

67 Transfers which are following: 2 are from April 2023, 24 are from May 2023, 30 are from June 2023, 2 from July 2023 and there are only 8 transfers made since 21.12.2023
+ 1 record is empty ETH wallet, 1 Transfer from June 2023 is doubled, 1 Transfer from January 2024 is doubled / 69 records total

One of most interesting things is 6 Transfers in this refund list were sent from Stake wallet
1 2 3 4 5 6
Do you want to tell us, that betnomi had secret collaboration with stake or you were gambling there with user funds or maybe this refund list is fullfield with fake transactions?

"Transparency post" on twitter was posted 23.02.2024 so why most of the transactions are random withdrawals from before the website was closed and only 8 of them are from the current refund plan??

I will be happy if you refund my balance and I can help you finally fulfill this transparency refund list with legitime transfer.

[Poika5]

The users were informed about the upcoming suspension of services in the form of maintenance. Users were allowed to withdraw their funds over the next several days. The site was then placed in maintenance mode.

Another blatant lie, there was no announcement. Nobody had any idea what was going on.



So is there an ongoing lawsuit or not?

Due to several legal actions that are pending against those who stole our intellectual property and those who wrongfully gained access to our systems and falsely claimed to be associated with us. The outcome and duration of these cases are uncertain. Therefore, we have decided to permanently cease operations and stop using the Betnomi brand in our best interests.

After a detailed assessment of the issue, my council concluded there was no legal liability or exposure to me and I could proceed with a lawsuit to retrieve the company's intellectual property rights (software licenses etc) and possibly get some financial compensation for damages. However, I decided not to go on that route.

[Wind_FURY]

We cannot take anyone seriously who doesn't even bother to read a page or two before commenting. An issue will be explained extensively, and a few comments later, another person is back asking the same issue, making it seem like the questions are not being answered. If you have any kind of interest in the subject, it behooves you to read before you comment. If you think it's not worth your time to understand the context from previous comments, then it is not worth our time responding to you.

Thank you all for your understanding.

Ser, pardon me for the cynical nature of the people in BitcoinTalk, including me. BUT it's not about WHO read what you posted or not, or for you to take anyone seriously or not. YOU are the entity that WE should be concerned about. What it should be about is whether you're actually telling the truth or not, and I'm sure everything will be verified and validated with enough time.

Furthermore, we know that you want to make everything right with the community, but I'm very sure it's not merely about that. It's about you too and the future incentives, financial or otherwise, that comes after fixing this. We give you thr benefit of the doubt.

[Haunebu]

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard. The founder of a crypto sportsbook calls every winning sports bettor a fraud.
By the way, the sports betting providers aren't perfect in profiling the customers, and long-term losers get limited all the time.

Using your brain to find a +EV bet is fraudulent - Betnomi
Even after 10 years in this business, it still never fails to amaze me how many clueless idiots/scammers there are in this space.

You read my mind perfectly. This is just embarassing if I am being honest. Anyone with a half-decent brain knows that sportsbooks do limit consistent winners not just for fraud, but because they are bad for their business financially.

I have gotten limited in a few sites myself for winning decent amounts consistently and I still play there now and then with small amounts. Silly stuff!

[CryptoGods90]

Since everyone's coming clean. Soris , it's cryptogodop90(lougambles) how about the 90,000 I won under streaming for you that I had to say pay me 25,000 and we call it even because 85% of your players at the time came from me and I specifically said when the site gets bigger I'll take the rest. Little to be known I never got another penny

[holydarkness]

Regarding some of the above cases, it is interesting to hear about. Claiming you have completed KYC as if that clears you; it really doesn't.

We are revealing our secret approach to the whole KYC situation today. It was our decision not to apply KYC across the platform and only for users engaged in fraud. The idea and reasoning behind this are that if a user engages in fraud and we close their account, they will simply create a new account and do it again. We request KYC even if we intend to close the account; this way, they use their information to complete the KYC for the existing account. If they create a new account in the future, they will fail to pass the KYC because their information has already been used (if they use the same information), or else they must find someone else to provide their information to complete the KYC. In that event, they have to do some extra work to get a new account. Even in that case, we have systems in place to detect multiple accounts, so we can detect them for the most part.

Just for clarity, any user who has been asked to complete KYC without any questions was engaged in fraud of some kind, and we generally close the accounts after the KYC, as explained above.

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I might need a refresher course as I probably got things mixed up [to be honest, your case is a very long one] and confused a fact or two, but... weren't you initially said that you lost all of the database because your business partner sabotaged it, and the only reason you can get the data for these refund process is because you get it from a bare-minimum database that you have to upload to your regulator on weekly basis? Here, quoted below,

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Regarding the suggestion to send an email to users, this is clearly the most effective way to resolve this issue. However, as we mentioned in our initial statement, we do not have access to the database. We do have a limited version of the database that is shared with regulators for compliance purposes. If we had access to the actual site database, we would simply restore the site and allow users to withdraw their funds directly. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we can only do what we can with the resources available to us.

If so, how can you tell that those accounts commited fraud? The data you uploaded to the regulator, according to you, are: "We only share usernames and user IDs for identification and never email addresses. They are private and should be protected to the degree that is possible."

You memorized their name or something?

[bislom]

Nobody frauded on Betnomi. The owner is a criminal and just does not want to pay out customers, that is the only truth.
I wish people should have listened to me from the beginning, I warned everybody manytimes about Bitlucy and Betnomi but these DT idiots are responsible for the losses since they defend these kind of scam casino's.

[bislom]

Information about the scammer Sorsis Chatwin (owner Betnomi), as well as his registered business address.

https://uspto.report/company/Sorsis-Chatwin#google_vignette