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Author Topic: These new EFFICIENT x11 algos everyone is talking about ?? BULLSHIT or real?  (Read 16290 times)
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April 06, 2014, 04:55:32 AM
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Somebody here has an agenda. Roll Eyes
Generally when someone resort to bold letters with an oversized font, run for the hills, he wants to sell you some BS.


how was screwing your niece?

Cool you watch a very good TV show.

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April 06, 2014, 05:01:59 AM
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so where is the GPU miner ?
are you guys not aware of all the bullshit we have gone through in the last year with other so called cpu only coins ?
i guarantee this was setup to hide the gpu miner ..i guarantee one was made at launch and kept private ever since.


this coin was a mod of other cpu only coins that are proven to have private gpu miners so... uhhhhhhhh
all these guys did was add a couple more algo's and call it a revolution.. aka: standard coin cloning routine.

What are you on about?  This coin started as a CPU only.  At the time, the developer had a partially completed GPU miner started and released it with a bounty to finish it.  Eventually it was finished and we have several versions, all are linked on the first page.

Who are you and why do you come here with such an attitude?  Strange how people just come in on the thread and freak out, geepers!

My bad, it looks like there are no links to the GPU miners on the front page, that's strange!  They should be there!  I'll PM Ape.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=475795.0  << link to gpu miner

sorry i can't keep up with the all the fucking shit coins lol
they make a small change and repost them non stop and before i commented i looked on the first page and just now again for those gpu miners and..

all you people have a track record that speaks for it's self.
and i know for a fact virtually none of you look at what algo's a coin uses like i have for one year !
so who am i ?
I am the guy who inspects the coins and sees how they work.. i don't blindly eat propaganda like almost all of you do.

if any of you think a currency that is a minor mod of quark is going to go anywhere your raging idiots.
the world is not going to drop the us dollar for a clone coin called Dark coin.. never.
So if you can concede to that then what are you left with ?

the proof is in hows it made and that is the source code and it don't lie.. it is what it is regardless of your moronic fanboyism end of story

nothing ever changes same old same old.. it's like trying to talk to elementary school kids eating chocolate bars at recess.. a waste of my time.. no idea why i even bother.
which is why i don't usually bother with these topics you guys fanboy it up and carry on..

i will be around saying i told you all i am sure but you will vanish and hide and have moved on to the next coin by then.
cheerlead a coin spout bs and propaganda buy yer Lambo'z and then vanish when the time is right.. aka: the IFC zombie routine.

who am i ? i am the guy watching the pattern / vicious cycle repeat over and over like a broken record.

wanna run your mouth then lets debate specs.. like the coins algo etc and those miners on page one i can't seem to find lol

hey assholes.. free market blah blah blah
that means i can bitch about clone coins all i want just the same as you can proclaim them a Bitcoin killer lol
your freemarket bs works both ways kids..

go back to sucking each other off and posting a new pool or gambling site every second comment.. and make yur money to buy yer Lambo'z on the revolutionary NEW coin lol


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OK. ITS ESTABLISHED YOU ARE... "the guy who inspects the coins and sees how they work.. i don't blindly eat propaganda like almost all of you do"
 
IM CONFUSED, BECAUSE YOU SAID...
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X11 is rather straightforward, there are some caveats inside hash functions, but for well known hashes it would be just concatenation of published implementations.
For Quark algorithm one can implement 9 hashing stages, 3 of them will be paired - e.g. calculate Keccak and JH in parallel, then discard one of results. Or, to save die space, it's possible to implement 6 hashing cores and some dispatching and routing logic around them.

Can you comment:

With sufficient funding, how long would it take to roll out usable ASICs based on a multi algo concept?

Do you think you can hold up to AMD and nVidia? They are not gonna miss that boat for very much longer.
Not only for crypto hashing, but for any kind of a custom instruction set for scientific applications.
They are not sleeping on trees.

Would a well meant ASIC be able to keep up with a 3000 stream GPU doing a custom program?
The noise of my GPU cards just said: NO!

you should tell your roaring gpu's to google search what "FPGA" means Wink

edit:
@rumlazy i have been saying that too for a while and trying to see what people say.
and one guy on another site insisted it's not as simple as that actually.
i can't remember the tech details he posted but he explained that it would not be enough to tack on more memory to asics
because of how the asics work AND how they access and use memory i think.
I had originally said well memory is cheap so seems like an easy issue right ? add more memory then scrypt-n is now asic minable.
but he was rather convincing and sure as hell knew in remarkable detail how asics work under the hood specifically in ways i barely understand.[/color]
And the guy said no.. that won't be enough, simply adding more ram.
Either way i don't know but that guy was very convincing with his knowledge of how asics work.

i also am not sure tacking on memory still make it possible to jump from mining scrypt-n to normal scrypt either.
[b]someone from the scrypt-n dev team(s) should address this stuff not me [/b]lol
i had thought the same but now i am not so convinced..

the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding.

 Cryptohunter wrote one of the first posts in the darkcoin thread...


This is stupid, only linux wallet on release.

Good, killed the coin... biggest cpu miners are linux anyway so let them rape and then windows folks will never use it.

All these new alts need to die.



DID YOU MISS THE TRAIN ON DARKCOIN? I know you have missed the train before and it has caused you grief... right? Like this time...




The last tip he gave out to some people i heard made someone nearly 100BTC  - so although that does not mean the next tip will be pure gold like the last....... someone got their money last time around.

I wish i had gone for it when he told me about it.... but like always i missed the fucking train....arrggggg Smiley one day i'm going to catch one of these big time.


 Cryptohunter... 5000 post in one year? You still have to ask. 5000 posts!!!! Wow! It only took me 40 post to realize both of you are couple of TWITS. Who is exactly is ... everybody? If you have a question then why dont you ask Spoetnik. He claims to be the guy who inspects the coins and sees how they work.. i don't blindly eat propaganda like almost all of you do  . I don't know jackshit about computational algorithms, but I do know sombody who does. Ask Eudifield if he is making these claims. I have read most of the threads and I cant find any other claims than the cpu/cgu claim. Go to thread and ask the Dev. Whatever he says will be on public record. I'm curious to see who these people are THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING. Im just a fanboy who blindly follows propaganda unlike SPOETNIK who would never follow propaganda...
right SPOETNIK...

And the guy said no.. that won't be enough, simply adding more ram.
Either way i don't know but that guy was very convincing with his knowledge of how asics work.

GO ASK THE FUCKING DEV AND REPOST IT HERE. WE ARE ALL WAITING CHAMPS. BALL IS IN YOUR COURT. NO MORE WHINING CLAIMS. IF YOU DONT ASK AND RE-POST IT, THEN YOU ARE AS FULL OF SHIT AS SPOETNIK.  RE-POST!... RE-POST!... RE-POST!
IF YOU DONT, THEN BUZZ OFF... OOPS! DID YOU GET STUNG WITH THAT ONE? NO HONEY ON THE TRAIN?


JR you have been here 1 month and 1 week shut the fuck up .
and yeah i know a LOT about this stuff and no i don't want to inspect the source of every coin that comes along
nor could i ..there is simply way too many of them.
thanks for your fucking stupid comment and who are you ? just another NEW guy here that seems to be an expert on things spouting off ?
hmm wow seems to be a lot brand new account here that pop up trying to come off like experts on things..
hmm you wouldn't be a guy who has trolled on me with 10 other accounts would you ?
Oh and yeah when a coin ANN page lists what algos's it uses THAT is proof.. that says it all right there..
and that will tell me that since most of the Darkcoin algo's for example are already used in 20 other coins i can guarantee they copied and pasted them lol
your garbage lippy bullshit is decimated so sit down and shut the fuck up ok "Junior" forum member
and have some respect speaking for me a "Senior" member ok son Wink ..i have paid my dues and done my homework and spent most of my life for almost a year doing this.

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April 06, 2014, 05:04:00 AM
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X11 algo has a planned transition to ASIC miners.
Very interesting! Could you give a link to discussion?

Quote from the DRK dev... whom I understand was the developer or at least the most prominent promoter of X11...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529570.msg5935102#msg5935102

The whole point of X11 is to try and get the same network growth cycle as Bitcoin. Once Darkcoin is worth enough, people will invest the capital to create the ASICs. I never really had an issue with that, in fact that was the point of creating a new hashing algorithm, I think it will be healthy in the end to move to ASICs.

That in a nutshell tells me that choosing X11 for its ASIC-resistance is not sound choice, as it appears the developer's true intent in designing X11 was only to delay ASIC's while still being ASIC-centric.
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April 06, 2014, 05:05:36 AM
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what did you mean when you said it could create more collisions?

Blindly chaining hash functions could theoretically lead to increased collision rate.
Imagine that every hash function in the chain has a collision. That's mean that it transforms, say, 2^256 possible values into lesser # of values. For example, let's suppose it's twice as small for every hash in the chain, 2^255. So, chaining, say, 256 such functions will lead to very small target space, with very few possible block hashes.

ah okay thanks for the explanation Smiley

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April 06, 2014, 05:08:21 AM
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@cryptohunter has created a self moderated topic where only him and his friends can play. Like I said here, some pages ago, this was never a discussion but a statement.
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April 06, 2014, 05:13:35 AM
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@cryptohunter has created a self moderated topic where only him and his friends can play. Like I said here, some pages ago, this was never a discussion but a statement.

You're my friend so you're invited. Sadly though for you ....you have to stick to the topic and tell only the truth Smiley

I didn't want the x11 thread derailed further so now you dark coin haters have your own thread to discuss your fav topic. Smiley

Come over and play ... .although taoway should know right now, extreme drkcoin hate will not be tolerated on there. Only post the facts , you've done a great job so far but i just sense you are working yourself up now.

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Quote from the DRK dev... whom I understand was the developer or at least the most prominent promoter of X11...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529570.msg5935102#msg5935102

The whole point of X11 is to try and get the same network growth cycle as Bitcoin. Once Darkcoin is worth enough, people will invest the capital to create the ASICs. I never really had an issue with that, in fact that was the point of creating a new hashing algorithm, I think it will be healthy in the end to move to ASICs.
Great, thank you! And now Darkcoin is in my watch list Smiley

Of course I gave you bad advice. Good one is way out of your price range.
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April 06, 2014, 05:33:05 AM
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For me it's a personal obligation to fight people like you,
who try to dumb down the general public with disinformation and cheap propaganda phrases.

You are at a disadvantage, because the average poster here is already quite informed and has a good perception of being Mickey Moused by agents like you.

Get lost.

This is absolutely not true. Most of the people posting here are without any tecnical or economical insight. They are attracted by fancy words and follows the herd bleating what they have read (but not understood) around the forum. Spending their money on obvious scams like earthcoin and darkcoin, coins in general that do extremly well at promoting and branding.  

What does Earthcoin matter here now, please enlighten me.
Just a fuck of a crap coin.

Darkcoin is the bleeding edge of crypto currencies though.
Tell me what you mean with your statement.

I mention earthcoin because everyone can see that earthcoin are a scam now, and the same will be true for darkcoin in a few months. Erthcoin is similar to darkcoin, not technically, but from a community perspective. Both coins rallied the sheeps with a grand plan and fancy words.

Darkcoin claimes to be the first anonymous coin. That is not true and it will not happen. Darkcoin promote itself as a zero premined coin. That is true, but it is designed to be extremly instamined and if you look at the block explorer you will see that the instamine is around 14% of the total coins. More then 75% of the exicting coins is instamined by devs/early adopters. There have also been alot of posts about the x11 and "cool cards" that adds to the hype. Darksend, x11, dgw, zero premine, everything the community preach and believe to be facts are actually not as good as they seem or completely true.

Hi, I'm the developer of Darkcoin. You can go download the beta client right now and send decentralized anonymous transactions. So yeah, it's the first anonymous coin. If everyone used beta, the whole blockchain would be anonymous.

X11 does indeed run 30 degrees colder than scrypt, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about there. DGW reacts faster and more effectively to whales joining because I used exponential moving averages which are just better for this type of thing, again not sure what you're talking about.

See DGW in action here: http://drk.poolhash.org/graph.html

I also fixed the timewarp exploit, so it's the only safe algorithm currently (for difficulty adjustment every block).

The next big thing in Darkcoin land are MasterNodes, you'll hear about people running a specific type of client and making tons of money in exchange for anonymizing transactions of the network (again, the anonymous transactions exist...)

nice advertisement but you repeated the same old bs we have already heard..
i call bullshit on you because i went and downloaded you miner and tried with a pool and i got between 60 and 83% cpu usage on my haswell i7 4770k cpu.
that proved your full of shit.
you can NOT compare your shitty cpu miner hashing mess running at 60% cpu usage with a scrypt miner running at 100% cpu usage.
sorry that is concrete irrefutable crystal clear proof your flat out plain and simple WRONG !

claim no.1 busted.

and then we can dig into the rest of it lol

when one algo is maxing out my cpu and one is not that is a notable point.
further more you are comparing X11 shit to what ? scrypt ?
so what will happen if i make a coin based on the MD5 hashing algo ? ..using 12% cpu usage ? LOL

I bet i know more about this stuff than you do so called dev..
i have long ago reversed engineered my windows firewall i am using and the HASHING algo's it uses and cracked the program,
and then i coded three different keygens for it in different languages using the HASHING algo's AND the custom secret algo the coder made up i reversed.
When you walk in here and copy and paste Quark and give it no credit at all and play mr smart dev your bullshitting all of us !

Let's hear some tech specs mr dev you didn't post ANY..
The people that came by here and commented have while you avoided it and still are.. i wonder why ? hmmm

You have brain washed people into believing a marketing ploy. It's pure bullshit !

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April 06, 2014, 05:50:24 AM
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For me it's a personal obligation to fight people like you,
who try to dumb down the general public with disinformation and cheap propaganda phrases.

You are at a disadvantage, because the average poster here is already quite informed and has a good perception of being Mickey Moused by agents like you.

Get lost.

This is absolutely not true. Most of the people posting here are without any tecnical or economical insight. They are attracted by fancy words and follows the herd bleating what they have read (but not understood) around the forum. Spending their money on obvious scams like earthcoin and darkcoin, coins in general that do extremly well at promoting and branding.  

What does Earthcoin matter here now, please enlighten me.
Just a fuck of a crap coin.

Darkcoin is the bleeding edge of crypto currencies though.
Tell me what you mean with your statement.

I mention earthcoin because everyone can see that earthcoin are a scam now, and the same will be true for darkcoin in a few months. Erthcoin is similar to darkcoin, not technically, but from a community perspective. Both coins rallied the sheeps with a grand plan and fancy words.

Darkcoin claimes to be the first anonymous coin. That is not true and it will not happen. Darkcoin promote itself as a zero premined coin. That is true, but it is designed to be extremly instamined and if you look at the block explorer you will see that the instamine is around 14% of the total coins. More then 75% of the exicting coins is instamined by devs/early adopters. There have also been alot of posts about the x11 and "cool cards" that adds to the hype. Darksend, x11, dgw, zero premine, everything the community preach and believe to be facts are actually not as good as they seem or completely true.

Hi, I'm the developer of Darkcoin. You can go download the beta client right now and send decentralized anonymous transactions. So yeah, it's the first anonymous coin. If everyone used beta, the whole blockchain would be anonymous.

X11 does indeed run 30 degrees colder than scrypt, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about there. DGW reacts faster and more effectively to whales joining because I used exponential moving averages which are just better for this type of thing, again not sure what you're talking about.

See DGW in action here: http://drk.poolhash.org/graph.html

I also fixed the timewarp exploit, so it's the only safe algorithm currently (for difficulty adjustment every block).

The next big thing in Darkcoin land are MasterNodes, you'll hear about people running a specific type of client and making tons of money in exchange for anonymizing transactions of the network (again, the anonymous transactions exist...)

nice advertisement but you repeated the same old bs we have already heard..
i call bullshit on you because i went and downloaded you miner and tried with a pool and i got between 60 and 83% cpu usage on my haswell i7 4770k cpu.
that proved your full of shit.
you can NOT compare your shitty cpu miner hashing mess running at 60% cpu usage with a scrypt miner running at 100% cpu usage.
sorry that is concrete irrefutable crystal clear proof your flat out plain and simple WRONG !

claim no.1 busted.

and then we can dig into the rest of it lol

when one algo is maxing out my cpu and one is not that is a notable point.
further more you are comparing X11 shit to what ? scrypt ?
so what will happen if i make a coin based on the MD5 hashing algo ? ..using 12% cpu usage ? LOL

I bet i know more about this stuff than you do so called dev..
i have long ago reversed engineered my windows firewall i am using and the HASHING algo's it uses and cracked the program,
and then i coded three different keygens for it in different languages using the HASHING algo's AND the custom secret algo the coder made up i reversed.
When you walk in here and copy and paste Quark and give it no credit at all and play mr smart dev your bullshitting all of us !

Let's hear some tech specs mr dev you didn't post ANY..
The people that came by here and commented have while you avoided it and still are.. i wonder why ? hmmm

You have brain washed people into believing a marketing ploy. It's pure bullshit !

Please shut the fuck up and go away. You are the only one in all of existence that actually believes the garbage spewing from you keyboard. You spout off on these forums about having dirt, and you never follow through. That is exactly what Muddafudda does. How about you post some evidence to back up all of these claims you make. Show us an example of your divine coding abilities. I don't care about X11 or DarkCoin, but it is not a copy of Quark like Quark is a copy of Sifcoin. And because I know your reading comprehension is lacking, I will bold what I really want you to get from this: Please shut the fuck up and go away.

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April 06, 2014, 06:31:28 AM
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memecoin be quiet you don't know anything about coding.

on topic i am looking at the source code etc. gettin deep in this biatch now Smiley lol

ok so lets put this into perspective shall we.. Darkcoin was the first X11 coin so it has to be brought up specifically.
Next lets acknowledge the fact that it came out in January 2014 right ?
And when it was released it did not have a GPU miner.. at least not one the public could use (fishy Quark gpu miner bullshit reeks on that)
So when it was released it was being paraded around as an EFFICIENT cpu only coin.. far more than other algos
WHEN it did not even use the max CPU usage on many miners.. So the comparison on that is simply ridiculous to say the least.
Later GPU's were added to mien X11 as the dev ASKED FOR ! and then it was still listed on pages such as the CPU-ONLY coin listing topic etc
all the while still paraded around as a cpu ONLY coin and getting new users because of it AND the gpu miner was only added to the ANN page
because i harassed the hell out of them on their ANN topic about it which the dev ignored even though i know he seen me pointing it out
and only added it after this topic here has been on page 1 for days.. he had to add it now he was trapped in scammy bs !

The GPU stuff i babbled on matters because they are using that as a way to say its efficient BUT
the gpu miner didn't even exist when they posted the coin making these claims !

This is about comparing X11 to other hashing algo's.. so making unfair or misleading or outright false / deceptive comparisons is what the question is here.
Comparing a hashing algo that is easier for your machine to work with vs one that is harder does NOT equal more efficient
that measn they are different and in my view comparing apples to oranges.

A key issue here is X11 was a fancy name tacked on to Quark's modified mix of algo's. so this is partly a mod of Quark that the dev refuses to admit
and partly a marketing game with a snazzy brand name tacked on to it to give the less tech savvy something to cling on to with their fanboyism.
These guys have said lots that the most important thing about a coin is the marketing team and actually nothing to do with a coin
all the tech coin stuff is secondary after thought stuff..
The goal is to mount a campaign to get people involved. Hence the behavior of treading on the edge of lying with dramatic and misleading statements
such as the shit in these coin ANN page topic titles.. It's a game people !
The coin itself is a secondary thing they really don't even care about.
And i have shown how pretty much every point / claim the Dark coin "team" is crap.. on their topic a while back before this one was made.
I was bullied and ignored and attacked with rabid fanboyism.

Public perception is money.. control that and the cash rolls in.. hence the forum bs.. as usual.

X11 what is it ? who made it and how was it made ? is there an honest answer ? And what other coins was the so called team involved with ?
Does it work more efficiently or are the devs realizing that the Quark dev missed capitalizing on the whole it's more efficient angle to push their coin ?

I just went and looked at Dark coins github and i see the usual.. throw a busted half ass useless clone out there publicly so it gets little attention
than all kinds of stuff are added to it after the fact over time.. an ingenious and common ploy / angle around here that is used heavily to coin cloners advantage.
especially when it comes to parading it around for months as asic resistant and having no public GPU miners only for them to pop up later..
and if there is GPU miners then asics are not too far off if the coin becomes profitable enough to make them.

Anyway i want facts and it starts with knowing what other coins the X11 coders team or what ever worked on..
Lets start at the begging. WHO are we dealing with and what experience in coding etc do they have and how many other coins did they post here ?

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April 06, 2014, 07:34:16 AM
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@Spoetnik,

Apologies for repeating myself... but this quote from the DRK dev...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529570.msg5935102#msg5935102

The whole point of X11 is to try and get the same network growth cycle as Bitcoin. Once Darkcoin is worth enough, people will invest the capital to create the ASICs. I never really had an issue with that, in fact that was the point of creating a new hashing algorithm, I think it will be healthy in the end to move to ASICs.

Reads to me that X11 was not designed to be ASIC resistant, but to simply delay ASIC deployment, as the dev is encouraging ASIC development and deployment as soon as it becomes economically viable. In fact, reading between the lines, X11 was optimised for ASIC's.

So to ever market DRK or any other coin using the X11 algo as 'CPU only' or 'ASIC-Resistant' is misrepresentation at a best and out-right deception at worst, according to the X11 algo developer himself. Interesting the title of the ANN thread reads - [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant

I did not want to discuss DRK as requested by OP, but since DRK and X11 are inseparable, I will raise this point.

The X11 algo is not ASIC-resistant nor was ever intended to be according to the X11 developer.

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April 06, 2014, 07:34:57 AM
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memecoin be quiet you don't know anything about coding.

on topic i am looking at the source code etc. gettin deep in this biatch now Smiley lol

ok so lets put this into perspective shall we.. Darkcoin was the first X11 coin so it has to be brought up specifically.
Next lets acknowledge the fact that it came out in January 2014 right ?
And when it was released it did not have a GPU miner.. at least not one the public could use (fishy Quark gpu miner bullshit reeks on that)
So when it was released it was being paraded around as an EFFICIENT cpu only coin.. far more than other algos
WHEN it did not even use the max CPU usage on many miners.. So the comparison on that is simply ridiculous to say the least.
Later GPU's were added to mien X11 as the dev ASKED FOR ! and then it was still listed on pages such as the CPU-ONLY coin listing topic etc
all the while still paraded around as a cpu ONLY coin and getting new users because of it AND the gpu miner was only added to the ANN page
because i harassed the hell out of them on their ANN topic about it which the dev ignored even though i know he seen me pointing it out
and only added it after this topic here has been on page 1 for days.. he had to add it now he was trapped in scammy bs !

The GPU stuff i babbled on matters because they are using that as a way to say its efficient BUT
the gpu miner didn't even exist when they posted the coin making these claims !

This is about comparing X11 to other hashing algo's.. so making unfair or misleading or outright false / deceptive comparisons is what the question is here.
Comparing a hashing algo that is easier for your machine to work with vs one that is harder does NOT equal more efficient
that measn they are different and in my view comparing apples to oranges.

A key issue here is X11 was a fancy name tacked on to Quark's modified mix of algo's. so this is partly a mod of Quark that the dev refuses to admit
and partly a marketing game with a snazzy brand name tacked on to it to give the less tech savvy something to cling on to with their fanboyism.
These guys have said lots that the most important thing about a coin is the marketing team and actually nothing to do with a coin
all the tech coin stuff is secondary after thought stuff..
The goal is to mount a campaign to get people involved. Hence the behavior of treading on the edge of lying with dramatic and misleading statements
such as the shit in these coin ANN page topic titles.. It's a game people !
The coin itself is a secondary thing they really don't even care about.
And i have shown how pretty much every point / claim the Dark coin "team" is crap.. on their topic a while back before this one was made.
I was bullied and ignored and attacked with rabid fanboyism.

Public perception is money.. control that and the cash rolls in.. hence the forum bs.. as usual.

X11 what is it ? who made it and how was it made ? is there an honest answer ? And what other coins was the so called team involved with ?
Does it work more efficiently or are the devs realizing that the Quark dev missed capitalizing on the whole it's more efficient angle to push their coin ?

I just went and looked at Dark coins github and i see the usual.. throw a busted half ass useless clone out there publicly so it gets little attention
than all kinds of stuff are added to it after the fact over time.. an ingenious and common ploy / angle around here that is used heavily to coin cloners advantage.
especially when it comes to parading it around for months as asic resistant and having no public GPU miners only for them to pop up later..
and if there is GPU miners then asics are not too far off if the coin becomes profitable enough to make them.

Anyway i want facts and it starts with knowing what other coins the X11 coders team or what ever worked on..
Lets start at the begging. WHO are we dealing with and what experience in coding etc do they have and how many other coins did they post here ?

You do realize that a quick search for the developer could tell you all that you are asking of him, and it involves only a few key presses.  It would have saved you from typing the garbage above. Click HERE, Spoety.

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April 06, 2014, 08:33:43 AM
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memecoin tell us what other coins you have made and what other forum accounts you have used here
and then you can talk.. i have asked you a dozen times and you keep playing games.
what are you hiding ?

and give it a rest i know you have become jealous of me over time but some people are just smarter.. sorry lol
i can give you some tips on programming in c/c++ if you want Wink

and you know what ? i seriously didn't even read what you said.. i seen you were the last guy that posted on this topic and hit reply
and i can guarantee 100% your comment is a mouthy snotty Trolling personal attack of some kind in no way related to the topic at hand in the slightest
like every single comment i ever seen you post.. you spout off and say nothing about what the topic started said and play little trolling diversion games..

please be quiet so the OP can try and get some answers.. i think we're all interested.
it's not about me or you memecoin so try contributing or be quiet please.

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April 06, 2014, 08:46:50 AM
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nice advertisement but you repeated the same old bs we have already heard..
i call bullshit on you because i went and downloaded you miner and tried with a pool and i got between 60 and 83% cpu usage on my haswell i7 4770k cpu.

You are the only one who've ever reported non-100% cpu use with x11 cpu miners.

And instead of listening to my comment that you are bullshitting, you are making a fool of yourself.

Try -t (number of threads) to fill the cpu with job in its threads.

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that proved your full of shit.
you can NOT compare your shitty cpu miner hashing mess running at 60% cpu usage with a scrypt miner running at 100% cpu usage.
sorry that is concrete irrefutable crystal clear proof your flat out plain and simple WRONG !

Everyone who has ever mined X11 with cpu, knows you are lying when you say that it doesn't use 100% cpu.


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claim no.1 busted.

and then we can dig into the rest of it lol

when one algo is maxing out my cpu and one is not that is a notable point.
further more you are comparing X11 shit to what ? scrypt ?
so what will happen if i make a coin based on the MD5 hashing algo ? ..using 12% cpu usage ? LOL

Continuing the idiocy.


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I bet i know more about this stuff than you do so called dev..

Yes, so much that you don't even know how to set threads in your mining client.
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April 06, 2014, 08:51:49 AM
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It's great to see how HiroCoin, X11 (and DarkCoin) are attacked by people like Cryptohunter and Spoetnik.
They put a lot of time and effort in creating topics, trying to damage the coins by spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt.

They are known for the fact they only attack coins that they feel are a threat to the bags they hold (and the ASICs they pre-ordered?).

Litecoin (and Scrypt) were attacked the same way by Bitcoin supporters one year ago and see where it is now Smiley

I predict a great future for HiroCoin.



Expecting a lot of "scam"/"instamine"/"inefficient"/"bull" and other namecalling under the line Smiley
It's actually good for HiroCoin and DarkCoin, it shows everyone the coins matter.

If HiroCoin didn't matter, you wouldn't spend that much time at it.

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Next lets acknowledge the fact that it came out in January 2014 right ?
And when it was released it did not have a GPU miner.. at least not one the public could use (fishy Quark gpu miner bullshit reeks on that)
So when it was released it was being paraded around as an EFFICIENT cpu only coin.. far more than other algos

No it wasn't. That's out of your head. CPU use and consumption is 100%. No "efficiency" in CPUs. What "parading" are you talking about? Can you find a single link that the coin promoted x11 as a cpu-energy efficient coin? You can't because no such thing exists.

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WHEN it did not even use the max CPU usage on many miners.. So the comparison on that is simply ridiculous to say the least.

Many miners = just you who don't know how to -t number of threads.

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Later GPU's were added to mien X11 as the dev ASKED FOR ! and then it was still listed on pages such as the CPU-ONLY coin listing topic etc

The title was changed after the GPU client was developed with the money from the bounty (>3000 DRK that phm got to develop darkcoin sgminer, now known in its second incarnation as sph-sgminer)

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all the while still paraded around as a cpu ONLY coin and getting new users because of it AND the gpu miner was only added to the ANN page
because i harassed the hell out of them on their ANN topic about it which the dev ignored even though i know he seen me pointing it out
and only added it after this topic here has been on page 1 for days.. he had to add it now he was trapped in scammy bs !

=>

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.2020
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.2040

See up to some point the answers are for:

February 15, 2014, 03:29:17 AM
Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (pre-alpha) | CPU only | KGW | Mandatory Update!

and then within the next page or so it changes to:

Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW
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Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant

All time stamped.

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And i have shown how pretty much every point / claim the Dark coin "team" is crap.. on their topic a while back before this one was made.
I was bullied and ignored and attacked with rabid fanboyism.

You are using idiotic points as "arguments". Like the 60% cpu use in cpu miner in x11. You are self-admiring your hacking knowledge and coding etc etc and you don't even know how to mine.
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Wait, so you can making money from hosting a node? Can anyone do this? Sorta sounds like POS on steroids if you ask me Cheesy

The concept is this: Master nodes, are in effect the decentralized "laundry" nodes where the mixing takes place. It has been suggested that the cost to run one should be high enough that large entities that want to map the network do not saturate it, so a requirement of ~1000 DRK will probably be programmed as a requirement to run a node.

Now, as a form of incentive for running the node (and compensation for having associated costs + potential risk to one's 1k DRK) it has also been suggested that aside from transaction fees these nodes could be getting like 10% of the mining output per block, given to the last node which processed a DarkSend. This would allow honest people to run nodes due to the incentive, instead of allowing the network to be saturated by controlled nodes from an entity hell bent on mapping the entire network. The DarkSends will probably be processed by multiple nodes, so even if one is controlled by an entity wanting to monitor transactions and the next node is not controlled = the monitoring breaks.

Now in terms of economy: If, say, 3m coins are produced a year, 300k will go to DarkSend Nodes. If there are 300 nodes with 1k invested, it could make these 300k => 600k within a year, with no mining, but simply contributing a node. It's an interesting new way to make money by having the incentive to provide a mixing service while also gaining "interest" for investors/bagholders etc. This could be large in the future. It's actually proof of work (work=mixing) but also requires a stake to participate.
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It's great to see how HiroCoin, X11 (and DarkCoin) are attacked by people like Cryptohunter and Spoetnik.
They put a lot of time and effort in creating topics, trying to damage the coins by spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt.

They are known for the fact they only attack coins that they feel are a threat to the bags they hold (and the ASICs they pre-ordered?).

Litecoin (and Scrypt) were attacked the same way by Bitcoin supporters one year ago and see where it is now Smiley

I predict a great future for HiroCoin.



Expecting a lot of "scam"/"instamine"/"inefficient"/"bull" and other namecalling under the line Smiley
It's actually good for HiroCoin and DarkCoin, it shows everyone the coins matter.

If HiroCoin didn't matter, you wouldn't spend that much time at it.

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Hey Magnet, glad you've shown up.

MaGnet to those that are new is one of the largest promoters of the BIGGEST scam from the last wave that burned many people. Now him and the VERY SAME PERSON who were pals and prime supporters of Pheonixcoin scam have teamed up behind another great scam coin HIROCOIN.  AMPH the poster above is hinting that HIROCOIN is a scam which of course it was being ninja launched at 7am euro time when europe and the US were mostly all sleeping. By the time the board caught on to the launch the block explorer confirms the huge instamine had already taken place.

However rather than learning about becoming involved with scam coins and sticking to clean coins MaGnet and his best pal from Pheonix coin have teamed up again to promote this scam. MaGnet is a big coin whale who is one of the most dangerous people on this board. HOwever after a scam always comes out crying he lost BTC.

The main ringleader of the pheonix coin scam that took everyones money was buddies with MaGnet until he even out scammed MaGnet himself.

The funny part is although this person robbed a lot of people on this board by closing his exchange and keeping the coins MaGnet knows who exactly he is but the main ringleader threatened to reveal a lot of dirty shit on MaGnet that the board would find very interesting so MaGnet decided not to reveal this persons identify for fear that we would all find more dirt on him

Now thanks for entering HIRO scam coin into this discussion but although that is a just as big a scam if not worse that darkcoin this is about darkcoin. You need to keep your discussion to the topic .... However don't feel left out, i can start a Hirccoin scam thread too in a bit if you like Smiley

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April 06, 2014, 01:44:57 PM
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memecoin tell us what other coins you have made and what other forum accounts you have used here
and then you can talk.. i have asked you a dozen times and you keep playing games.
what are you hiding ?

and give it a rest i know you have become jealous of me over time but some people are just smarter.. sorry lol
i can give you some tips on programming in c/c++ if you want Wink

and you know what ? i seriously didn't even read what you said.. i seen you were the last guy that posted on this topic and hit reply
and i can guarantee 100% your comment is a mouthy snotty Trolling personal attack of some kind in no way related to the topic at hand in the slightest
like every single comment i ever seen you post.. you spout off and say nothing about what the topic started said and play little trolling diversion games..

please be quiet so the OP can try and get some answers.. i think we're all interested.
it's not about me or you memecoin so try contributing or be quiet please.


I love how you claim you're so smart and so proficient in programming, yet, you are awaiting other people to answer your questions.
If you are such a "pro" in all this, please to go over the code of X11 and bring some facts to your claims instead of just attempting to berate anyone that challenges you.

Your CPU miner not running at 100%? I used miner on various hardware, from AMD to Xeons through i5 to i7. All of these were at the time of running the miner maxed out.
Please provide the proof to backup your theory, all we have is your word and that on the internet is worth shit.
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