[ANN][STD] StandardCoin - BUILT-IN EXCHANGE - Permanently Rising Rate

[TheRealStandard]

StandardCoin MANDATORY update with KGW patched :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r4zvh9gdr67wl7n/Standardcoin-Qt-1.0.0.2-Win.zip

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StandardCoin

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Website | Block Explorer | Subreddit

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StandardCoin is a unique Crypto Currency. It is designed mainly for Investors.

• StandardCoin uses Bitcoin Standard System. Just like the Gold Standard System StandardCoin's value is based on a fixed quantity of Bitcoin. You can always exchange as many StandardCoin as you want to Bitcoin at anytime.
  
• StandardCoin's value against Bitcoin's value rises overtime. No matter how many coins is mined and dumped. The fixed rate of StandardCoin's value against Bitcoin's value can not be drop, it rises instead.

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Built-in Exchange
StandardCoin has a built-in exchange system which allows users to trade StandardCoin to Bitcoin at a fixed rate (this fixed rate increases over time) without using any third-party exchange.

Anti Pump and Dump
No matter how many coins are mined and dumped. The exchange rate between StandardCoin and Bitcoin will never drop.

Value Permanently Rising
The value of StandardCoin against Bitcoin can only rise overtime. Once rised, it can not drop

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https://standardcoin.net/exchange
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-STD

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Algorithm
Scrypt

Total Coin
400,000,000 coi

ns

Block Time
60 seconds

Block Rewards
100 StandardCoin Per Block halving every about 12 month

Difficulty
Retargeting using Kimoto Gravity Well algorithm

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Windows: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r4zvh9gdr67wl7n/Standardcoin-Qt-1.0.0.2-Win.zip

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Mac: Not yet available

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Github: https://github.com/standardcoin-dev/standardcoin

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http://www.omargpools.ca:6332/static/
https://std.mining4all.eu/
http://standard.hashing.at/
http://std.ultrapool.org/
http://std.altcryptomining.com/
http://std.qemulab.com/
http://std.okaypool.com/
http://std.pool.mn/
http://pool.standardcoin.net/
http://std.vkter.com
https://www.minep.it/pools/32/
http://std.cryptopool.eu/
http://std.sumpool.com/
http://std.multi-pool.eu/

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For a detailed explaination, please visit standardcoin website at:
https://standardcoin.net/

Guaranteed Exchange Rate:
StandardCoin at a specific time has Guaranteed Exchange Rate (GER). You can sell StandardCoin for Bitcoin at anytime you like with any amount at the GER. GER depends on 2 factors:

• The Accumulative Market Capacity (AMC) of StandardCoin: total number of BTC that was used to buy StandardCoin. This number can only increase overtime (No matter how many people sell StandardCoin for Bitcoin, this number won't drop drop)
  
• The Maximum Money Supply (MMS) of StandardCoin: the fixed number of total StandardCoin in the network: 400,000,000 coins.
  

The GER of StandardCoin is computed as follow: deviding AMC by MMS. AMC always increases and MMS is a constant. As a result, GER can only rise over time.

https://i.imgur.com/WZ0Hx58.png

Store Selling Price
You can buy STD from the store anytime at the Store Selling Price (SSP).
SSP depends on 2 factors:

• The current Accumulative Market Capacity (AMC) of StandardCoin: total number of BTC that was used to buy StandardCoin. This number can only increase overtime (No matter how many people sell StandardCoin for Bitcoin, this number won't drop drop)
• The stored StandardCoin (SSTD): the amount of StandardCoin left in the store (This includes the initial 200,000,000 STD and the STD the investors dump in the future)

The SSP of StandardCoin is computed as follow: deviding AMC by SSTD and multiplied by 4. SSP rises overtime as AMC is rising. But SSP may also reduce if investors are dumping their coins at GER.

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AMC Rounds
AMC won't be increased immideatedly after an investors deposit BTC. It will increase step by step. The next AMC will be 2x the current AMC. This also makes GER increase step by step, next GER equal to 2x the previous GER. AMC is seperated to rounds to enusre all investors in the current round is buying at the same price not matter how many they buy.

Code:

i.e: The Initial AMC is: 16 BTC, that means current GER is: 4 satoshi. Next AMC will be 32 BTC and the next GER is: 8 satoshi. 
If you still hold on to your STD until this round ended, your STD's value is doubled,

https://i.imgur.com/mUWiTJ1.png

Initial Price Valuation Phase:
25% of the MMS, which are equal to 100,000,000 STD, will be offered for the initial investors. In this phase, investors can deposit into exchange with their BTC to acquire shares of 100,000,000 STD. At the end of Initial Price Valuation Phase, investors will receive a number of STD based on their invested BTC over the total total invested BTC. Total Invested Bitcoin in this phase is the initial AMC, which is used to calculate GER of StandardCoin

https://i.imgur.com/JpvEZcf.png

Free Market Phase - Help GER to rise permanently
After the Initial Price Valuation Phase, each STD has GER value against BTC. StandardCoin is now freely traded over the markets. You can exchange STD to BTC at anytime with any amount you like without affecting the GER. Meanwhile, new investors are still able to invest in StandardCoin by exchanging their BTC for a share of the stored STD. This will increase the AMC. As a result, GER increases as well. Again, STD holder can exchange their STD back to BTC at the current GER without causing it to fall. That is why STD price increases permanently.

AMC miners - Building up the AMC
AMC Miners are the miners that will mine at a Private Multipool. Instead of mining STD directly. AMC miners will mine other profitable altcoins and receive payment in STD. The mined altcoins will be automatically exchanged to BTC, these BTC will then be added to the total AMC. Which will help increase the GER. There is 100,000,000 STD being spread out to AMC miners. The longer the AMC miners mine the more valuable STD become.

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When is StandardCoin launched?
StandardCoin will be launched at 2014/03/25 16:00:00 EST.
You can check the countdown on StandardCoin website for an accurate time.
https://standardcoin.net/

How do I benefit from StandardCoin?
There are 2 ways to benefit from StandardCoin:

• Join The Initial Price Valuation Phase
• Buy StandardCoin at a fixed rate after the Initial Price Valuation Phase is ended

(Click here for a detailed explaination)

How do I join The Initial Price Valuation Phase?
You can Join the Initial Price Valuation Phase by:
    1. Visit https://standardcoin.net/price_valuation
    2. Click the "Click Here to Invest" button
    3. Enter your STD address.
    4. Send Bitcoin to the BTC address which is associated with your STD address.
    5. After the Valuation Phase is ended, you will receive your shared STD to your STD address.

How long is the Initial Price Valuation Phase?
The Initial Price Valuation Phase will be started at the same time coin is launched. It will last for 8 days.
After 8 days, Initial Investors will receive their shared STD to their STD address.
An exchange will also be launched at: https://standardcoin.net/exchange
New Investors will be able to buy STD at a fixed rate.
Miner will be able dump their coins at GER rate.

Is there a point when there is not enough BTC to buy back all STD at the GER?

another question.. how about if all initial investors want to withdraw BTC and Miners also .. there would not be enough BTC to give away

WRONG!!!
Even if all initial investors, future investors and miners want to sell their STD for BTC, there is always enough BTC for them.  That is how the system designed.
For example:

Current AMC is 40 BTC. Total stored STD for new investors is: 200,000,000 (50% coins of network). Investor 2 invests 40 BTC.

• AMC is now increased to 80 BTC.
• Investor 2 will receive: (40/AMC * stored STD) = 40/80 * 200,000,000 = 100,000,000 STD
• "kernel" : "scrypt",
• The new stored STD is: 200,000,000 - 100,000,000 = 100,000,000 STD

All STD is guaranteed to be bought back to the store at 20 satoshi, No matter how many STD is bought back, the GER won't fall.
The initial investors are now doubled their investment as the GER is doubled.

We now have 80 BTC stored to buy back STD.
The GER is 20 satoshi.
Total STD in circulation: 300,000,000 STD (including the STD that hasn't been mined yet).
Even if miners mined all STD, investors dump all their STD at 20 satoshi, it only needs 60 BTC to cover them all.

chill man i´m only asking..
 What about this scenario..

Current AMC is 40 BTC after valuation phase so each Std worths 10 Satoshi. You have 40BTC to backup withdraws.
1.-You don´t get any future investors quickly.
2.-Miners begin to mine and sell as they always do
3.-Lots of initial Investors decide to invest somewhere else so they also withdraw a big amount ..say 20 BTC
4.- I know the price for STD keeps the same but now there are only 20 BTC to pay for the miners. If they keep mining and no one is quickly playing the part as future investor there wont be any BTC to backup miners selling's.

Maybe im still missing something

StandardCoin don't need any future investors to backup withdraws at GER.
Remember that the maximum amount of STD Initial Investors can get is: 100,000,000
Future Investors: 200,000,000
Miners: 100,000,000
So the maximum amount of BTC initial investors can withdraw at 10 satoshi is: 10 BTC.
Maximum amount of BTC miners can get withdraw at 10 satoshi is: 10 BTC.
Maximum amount of BTC future investors can get withdraw at 10 satoshi is: 20 BTC.
The amount of BTC stored always matches the amount of total STD in the network.

Can I trust the exchange with all my investment?

So i think this is a good idea but needs to be better planed..

 One of the most important things for this to work is confidence.. since you (dev) are an anonymous newbie, it is extremely risky for all of us to deposit bitcoin in your exchange. Your fixed exchange idea works like some sort of Bank and for that you shouldn´t be an anonymous entity since the likelihood that you just run away with all bitcoins deposited there is really high for the users. Is like trading with MT Gox but with an annonymus person.

Said so i would recommend all "investors" to work on this with extremely caution.. Im not saying it is a scam but there are some points you (dev) should work.

good luck


p.s here some info about the website domain

WHOIS information for standardcoin.net:***

Domain ID:
Domain Name: standardcoin.net
Created On: 11-Mar-2014 00:00:00
Expiration Date: 11-Mar-2015 00:00:00
Sponsoring Registrar: ENOM (ENOM)
Status: client_transfer_prohibited
Name Server: amy.ns.cloudflare.com
Name Server: gabe.ns.cloudflare.com
Registrant ID: Unknown
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Nobody is depositing anything. The exchange works like this:

• If you are a buyer, you only need to enter your STD address to the exchange, a BTC address associated with that STD address is generated. You send BTC to that address and a calculated amount of STD will be sent to your STD address automatically.
• And if you are a seller, you will have to enter your BTC address to the exchange, a STD address associated with that BTC address is generated. You send STD to that address and you will receive BTC to your BTC address at the GER.

So, nobody is risking anything.
The most risky part is the Price Valuation Phase. STD can not be sent instantly because we have to wait for the Price Valuation Phase to end before the exchange can calculate the amount of STD that will be sent to each inital investor.
So you can avoid risking your BTC by waiting for the Price Valuation Phase to end and start investing in the Free Market Phase.

How secured is the exchange?

"Nobody is depositing anything. The exchange works like this..."

If the exchange works like you say it does it is a pretty unique idea.

However, if the exchange doesn't work like you say it does then who's to say you can't just loophole all the BTC to your own personal BTC address?

Or how do we know the software is secure enough so that someone doesn't do the same?

Blind trust is the biggest issue.

The exchange has 3 layers.
The website at: http://standardcoin.net/ is nothing but a web interface.
The cron server which update the database and interact with the coind is on another server.
The coin daemon holdings STD and BTC are on a server in private secured network which can only be accessed by the cron server.
Plus, Most coins are stored in cold wallets. Only 10% of the coins are on the server.

As I said before. The most risky part when investing is the Price Valuation Phase because the exchange can not send STD to you immidiately. We will have to wait for the Phase to end and let the exchange calculates the amount of STD for each initial investor.
At the Free Market Phase, exchanging works instantly and automatically.
So if you are afraid to lose your BTC, you can wait until the Price Valuation Phase is ended.

[SweetLou]

why the new thread?

[ghibly79]

Trying to clean his scam record, to fool some more people. Like I won't notice xD Funny stuff.

For reference, most "up to date" simple explanation why it's a Ponzi --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522874.msg5940664#msg5940664

[SweetLou]

Moved to http://pool.standardcoin.net/ as suggested in the previous thread. Something is not set right there. it shows net hash at 8Mhs and the pool itself is running at 14Mhs. This is throwing off the STD/Day figures.

Dev can you look into this or I am going to probably head back to m4a

[TheRealStandard]

Moved to http://pool.standardcoin.net/ as suggested in the previous thread. Something is not set right there. it shows net hash at 8Mhs and the pool itself is running at 14Mhs. This is throwing off the STD/Day figures.

Dev can you look into this or I am going to probably head back to m4a

The stats from the network is delayed a little bit but stats from pool is updated immediately that's why you see the difference.

[SweetLou]

this also went unanswered in the previous thread.

any word on bittrex yet. your last announcement said later that day and its been well over that.

[sin242]

this also went unanswered in the previous thread.

any word on bittrex yet. your last announcement said later that day and its been well over that.

Curious to this as well

[BTCspoon]

New user and new thread to escape negative profile and comments?! wrong move StandardCoin...

Here is the original thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522874.740

[Lordoftherigs]

stackcoin 2.0

[Mi]

...I don´t understand the hate. This coin is an perfect answer to the Cryptocurrency world at this moment...
Every day a new "shit" coin is starting and everywhere pumper and dumper at the exchanges.
Small fishes can answer in a colletive.
Money making machine like a Perpeto Mobile with ...StandardCoin for everyone.

[hucker]

...I don´t understand the hate. This coin is an perfect answer to the Cryptocurrency world at this moment...
Every day a new "shit" coin is starting and everywhere pumper and dumper at the exchanges.
Small fishes can answer in a colletive.
Money making machine like a Perpeto Mobile with ...StandardCoin for everyone.

Agreed.  ghibly79 seems to be following him around and spouting hate messages.  The dev hasn't moved the thread to remove "scam" information, as he still has the red mark on his username.

This coin has much better prospects than the other 200.

[doxymoron]

...I don´t understand the hate. This coin is an perfect answer to the Cryptocurrency world at this moment...
Every day a new "shit" coin is starting and everywhere pumper and dumper at the exchanges.
Small fishes can answer in a colletive.
Money making machine like a Perpeto Mobile with ...StandardCoin for everyone.

Agreed.  ghibly79 seems to be following him around and spouting hate messages.  The dev hasn't moved the thread to remove "scam" information, as he still has the red mark on his username.

This coin has much better prospects than the other 200.

He still has red on his name because ghibly79 marked his new username as well.  I can't really think of a reason to start a new thread and a new username other than to get rid of all of that.  

[trdiablo]

ghibly seems to be a lonely person who has nothing better to do than terrorize this DEV. So far the DEV has kept his word with everything, delivered on time, paid all IPO investers their Standard coins and yet he is still marked as scammer just because ghibly "thinks" he might be a scammer.

The solution is simple. If all IPO investors can give the DEV their trust by clicking on the word "trust" below his username and then leave their trust then the DEV should not be marked in red anymore. If you change your mind you can always remove your trust later.

[Rainer4256]

I gave them a positive rating although I had to wait for 30 hours getting my IPO coins.

[hucker]

He still has red on his name because ghibly79 marked his new username as well.  I can't really think of a reason to start a new thread and a new username other than to get rid of all of that.  

1) The coin wallet has a mandatory update, so it's to bring it to people's attention.
2) Because ghibly has been harassing him and tarnishing his so far good name.  The dev's done nothing wrong yet.

[hucker]

I gave them a positive rating although I had to wait for 30 hours getting my IPO coins.

I've just tried to give him a positive feedback, but it seems to have made no difference to his score.  Neither have the other good feedbacks he's got.  Does anyone know how this weird system works?

[TheRealStandard]

For those who has been asking about bittrex.
From Richie of bittrex:

"Hey sorry for the delay... and we have not added new coins... we have been dealing with a couple wallet forks and some doublespends so we havent' added any new coins for a couple days. I'll get it up as soon as we sort this out...

Thanks
Richie"

[trdiablo]

I gave them a positive rating although I had to wait for 30 hours getting my IPO coins.

I was going to, but I have no idea how, you have to fill in some complicated form and have to have done a transaction or something.  I thought it was a thumbs up thumbs down thing like Youtube.

It is not difficult. Just click on the word "trust" below username TheRealStandard.
On this trust page scroll down, enter the risked amount of BTC, enter your comment and click submit.
That is all.

[hucker]

It is not difficult. Just click on the word "trust" below username TheRealStandard.
On this trust page scroll down, enter the risked amount of BTC, enter your comment and click submit.
That is all.

I've just tried to give him a positive feedback, but it seems to have made no difference to his score.  Neither have the other good feedbacks he's got.  Does anyone know how this weird system works?  It looks like only someone with their own score can give someone else a score.  So er.... catch 22 anyone?

[Rainer4256]

I gave them a positive rating although I had to wait for 30 hours getting my IPO coins.

I was going to, but I have no idea how, you have to fill in some complicated form and have to have done a transaction or something.  I thought it was a thumbs up thumbs down thing like Youtube.

It is not difficult. Just click on the word "trust" below username TheRealStandard.
On this trust page scroll down, enter the risked amount of BTC, enter your comment and click submit.
That is all.

Yup! That's it.

Edit: Just 2 ratings at their trust site: mine and ghibly's.

[hucker]

I gave them a positive rating although I had to wait for 30 hours getting my IPO coins.

I was going to, but I have no idea how, you have to fill in some complicated form and have to have done a transaction or something.  I thought it was a thumbs up thumbs down thing like Youtube.

It is not difficult. Just click on the word "trust" below username TheRealStandard.
On this trust page scroll down, enter the risked amount of BTC, enter your comment and click submit.
That is all.

Yup! That's it.

Edit: Just 2 ratings at their trust site: mine and ghibly's.

No, there's about 8.  You can only see your own and those who themselves have a positive trust.  You have to click a link to see the others.

But only ghibly's seems to be having an effect.

[Rainer4256]

But only ghibly's seems to be having an effect.

Thank you! Got it.

[ghibly79]

That's because I'm under default trust, so anyone can see my rating, while only those users who have you under their trust tree can see yours (not many I guess xD).
And that's for good reason: trusted members feedback matters more.
You'll need some other trusted and experienced user to give a positive to negate mine, but won't happen since everyone understands why this is a Ponzi.

Otherwise everyone could create 100000 fake accounts to give himself positive feedbacks and scam everyone asses unaffected...

[EDIT] and by looking at your comments you still don't understand that the scam is matematically evident by it's own structure, not based on any assumption and that delivering ipo coins has nothing to do with that (nay, part of the plan, as it was extensively explained). But you are probably dev's sockpuppets anyway so I'm definetly wasting my time.

[hucker]

That's because I'm under default trust, so anyone can see my rating, while only those users who have you under their trust tree can see yours (not many I guess xD).
And that's for good reason: trusted members feedback matters more.
You'll need some other trusted and experienced user to give a positive to negate mine, but won't happen since everyone understands why this is a Ponzi.

Otherwise everyone could create 100000 fake accounts to give himself positive feedbacks and scam everyone asses unaffected...

Everyone understands it's a Ponzi?  Really?  You're the only one spouting it on here.

So for some reason you have this trust score, and you get to vote on everyone else.  How can anyone else get a trust score if most people don't have one to give anyone else one?

[ghibly79]

Cause I proved my trustyness over and over for months.
And no I'm not the only one, only a couple of newbies are not realizing, look at the old thread (but most likely dev's sockpuppets or even alt accounts).

And I'm not abusing the system, otherwise I would have tagged you too at this point, based on the above assumption you are an alt account. But THAT is only an assumption, so I'm not doing that. Unlike op running a ponzi, which is a fact.

Bye.

[Rainer4256]

Cause I proved my trustfullness over and over for months.
And no I'm not the only one, only a couple of newbies are not realizing, look at the old thread (but most likely dev's sockpuppets or even alt accounts).

And I'm not abusing the system, otherwise I would have tagged you too at this point, based on the above assumption you are an alt account. But THAT is only an assumption, so I'm not doing that. Unlike op running a ponzi, which is a fact.

Bye.

I really like this Ponzi scheme. Probably I'm going to invest some more BTC.

[hucker]

Cause I proved my trustfullness over and over for months.

I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.  Who did you bribe to get the trust points?

And no I'm not the only one, only a couple of newbies are not realizing, look at the old thread (but most likely dev's sockpuppets or even alt accounts).

You're the only one I saw moaning in the other thread.  Everyone else just wasn't sure about the coins being late.

And I'm not abusing the system, otherwise I would have tagged you too at this point, based on the above assumption you are an alt account. But THAT is only an assumption, so I'm not doing that. Unlike op running a ponzi, which is a fact.

You ASSUMED the dev is a scammer.  You ought to have your trust points removed.  Let me see if I can find someone to do so.  Or maybe your account on here should be removed for tarnishing someone's name.  Or maybe the dev should take you to court for libel.  Now shut up, you're really boring me.

Bye.

That's the fifth time you've said bye, liar.

[ghibly79]

You are more likely to find someone who bans you for trolling xD

[hucker]

You are more likely to find someone who bans you for trolling xD

How is pointing out that you're making up baseless stories about someone "trolling?"

You need to look at why you act so high and mighty, just because you've made more posts and have a longer row of yellow dots against your name.  Maybe your life is lacking in some other area?  [This first psychiatry session has been gratis]

[ghibly79]

By the way, was looking at your activity: 69 total posts of which 43 in Standardcoin threads.
You totally don't look fishy, at all xD

But ok, either way, you make zero sense even if you are legit so.... get lost. Now I've said it xD

[hucker]

By the way, was looking at your activity: 69 total posts of which 43 in Standardcoin threads.
You totally don't look fishy, at all xD

Assumptions again.  The truth is I mine coins, including standardcoin, and came here in the hope of unbiased information, not hunches from the likes of you.

But ok, either way, you make zero sense even if you are legit so.... get lost. Now I've said it xD

You've said "bye" several times, yet you continue to reply.  I guess you've got nothing better to do.  Try a hobby - google will help you.

[SweetLou]

By the way, was looking at your activity: 69 total posts of which 43 in Standardcoin threads.
You totally don't look fishy, at all xD

Assumptions again.  The truth is I mine coins, including standardcoin, and came here in the hope of unbiased information, not hunches from the likes of you.

But ok, either way, you make zero sense even if you are legit so.... get lost. Now I've said it xD

You've said "bye" several times, yet you continue to reply.  I guess you've got nothing better to do.  Try a hobby - google will help you.

+1

[defaced]

good luck

[nbphuoc]

The Dev Promised to deliver the IPO coins and an exchange system. Well, he did.
IPO investors received their coins and the exchange is working.
I don't know why he is still tagged as scammer?
Who did he scam?

[trdiablo]

He scammed no one, the only problem is that ghibly is a depressed and lonely guy that probably masturbates at all the attention he gets here.
But be careful, saying that you believe in StandardCoin will make you automatically a sockpuppet according to this mastermind.

[Kay0r]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

[nbphuoc]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

[Kay0r]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

Already done like 20 mins ago.
This is the wallet bittrex provided me but my balance is still not showing

[nbphuoc]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

Already done like 20 mins ago.
This is the wallet bittrex provided me but my balance is still not showing

You should contact the bitrex support to see if something went wrong.

[Kay0r]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

Already done like 20 mins ago.
This is the wallet bittrex provided me but my balance is still not showing

You should contact the bitrex support to see if something went wrong.

Yeah, thank you anyway

[hucker]

I just downloaded the mandatory update at the start of this thread, but it seems identical (file sizes and dates) to what I already had.  Strange.

[TheRealStandard]

I sent Richie an email regarding the issue.
Still working on the multipool for STD.
You will earn more STD mining at the multipool than mining STD regularly and plus you will contribute to the AMC and help GER rise.

[hucker]

I sent Richie an email regarding the issue.
Still working on the multipool for STD.
You will earn more STD mining at the multipool than mining STD regularly and plus you will contribute to the AMC and help GER rise.

By multipool do you mean www.multipool.us or your own pool?  If so how come we earn more at yours?

[ghibly79]

The Dev Promised to deliver the IPO coins and an exchange system. Well, he did.
IPO investors received their coins and the exchange is working.
I don't know why he is still tagged as scammer?
Who did he scam?

He scammed no one, the only problem is that ghibly is a depressed and lonely guy that probably masturbates at all the attention he gets here.
But be careful, saying that you believe in StandardCoin will make you automatically a sockpuppet according to this mastermind.

Yeah, he took your money and delivered roughly 25% of that value back to you. He just scammed 75% of your investment and he's getting praised for that. Speaking about MASTERMINDS there ahahahahaaha
He totally delivered xD (the scam).

But maybe some other retard will come getting scammed in your stead buying more and repaying for your loss, cause that's how it works.

To be honest I'm starting to think (at least some of) you aren't sockpuppets, just genuinely this idiotic: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity", Hanlon's razor.
I try my best to let you be but the level of human misery in these threads keeps calling me back.

[Rainer4256]

Yeah, he took your money and delivered roughly 25% of that value back to you. He just scammed 75% of your investment and he's getting praised for that. Speaking about MASTERMINDS there ahahahahaaha
He totally delivered xD (the scam).

But maybe some other retard will come getting scammed in your stead buying more and repaying for your loss, cause that's how it works.

To be honest I'm starting to think (at least some of) you aren't sockpuppets, just genuinely this idiotic: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity", Hanlon's razor.
I try my best to let you be but the level of human misery in these threads keeps calling me back.

We already know your opinion. No clue why you repeat it all day long. We did understand you and you can now sleep peacefully.

[SweetLou]

Dev,

I suggest adding Bittrex to your main post so others know they can also use their exchange for this coin.

[anteco]

the std I receive from me are mined are unconfirmed
I've updated mnedero etc etc

[Rainer4256]

the std I receive from me are mined are unconfirmed
I've updated mnedero etc etc

Just be patient. I've been waiting for mine for about 30 hours.

[Bittrex-Bill]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

Already done like 20 mins ago.
This is the wallet bittrex provided me but my balance is still not showing

You should contact the bitrex support to see if something went wrong.

Yeah, thank you anyway

I'm in the same boat.. plenty of confirmations on my end.

I tweeted Bittrex and gave them a heads up. I'm sure they can correct it on their end.

Hi everyone, we're taking a look at why deposits have been slow.  We processed a few deposits today so not everyone is stuck. Disabled the wallet temporarily as a precaution. 

[SweetLou]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

Already done like 20 mins ago.
This is the wallet bittrex provided me but my balance is still not showing

You should contact the bitrex support to see if something went wrong.

Yeah, thank you anyway

I'm in the same boat.. plenty of confirmations on my end.

I tweeted Bittrex and gave them a heads up. I'm sure they can correct it on their end.

Hi everyone, we're taking a look at why deposits have been slow.  We processed a few deposits today so not everyone is stuck. Disabled the wallet temporarily as a precaution. 

so you are saying our funds are not lost, just delayed?

[Bittrex-Bill]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

Already done like 20 mins ago.
This is the wallet bittrex provided me but my balance is still not showing

You should contact the bitrex support to see if something went wrong.

Yeah, thank you anyway

I'm in the same boat.. plenty of confirmations on my end.

I tweeted Bittrex and gave them a heads up. I'm sure they can correct it on their end.

Hi everyone, we're taking a look at why deposits have been slow.  We processed a few deposits today so not everyone is stuck. Disabled the wallet temporarily as a precaution. 

so you are saying our funds are not lost, just delayed?

Don't know for sure, we're investigating. 

[nbphuoc]

The Dev Promised to deliver the IPO coins and an exchange system. Well, he did.
IPO investors received their coins and the exchange is working.
I don't know why he is still tagged as scammer?
Who did he scam?

He scammed no one, the only problem is that ghibly is a depressed and lonely guy that probably masturbates at all the attention he gets here.
But be careful, saying that you believe in StandardCoin will make you automatically a sockpuppet according to this mastermind.

Yeah, he took your money and delivered roughly 25% of that value back to you. He just scammed 75% of your investment and he's getting praised for that. Speaking about MASTERMINDS there ahahahahaaha
He totally delivered xD (the scam).

But maybe some other retard will come getting scammed in your stead buying more and repaying for your loss, cause that's how it works.

To be honest I'm starting to think (at least some of) you aren't sockpuppets, just genuinely this idiotic: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity", Hanlon's razor.
I try my best to let you be but the level of human misery in these threads keeps calling me back.

He promises to buy back all the coins at 25% of its value. He didn't force you to do so.
Look at other IPO, you can't even do that. You can only sell your coins on an exchange and if no one is buying, you will lose all your investment.

[SweetLou]

Working on a casino style website for crypto coins. would anyone here be interested in a site that accepted standardcoin?

[hucker]

Working on a casino style website for crypto coins. would anyone here be interested in a site that accepted standardcoin?

If I liked casinos I'd certainly like a coin one.  There already is one somewhere....

[SweetLou]

Working on a casino style website for crypto coins. would anyone here be interested in a site that accepted standardcoin?

If I liked casinos I'd certainly like a coin one.  There already is one somewhere....

there is? i haven't seen any that accept std

[hucker]

Working on a casino style website for crypto coins. would anyone here be interested in a site that accepted standardcoin?

If I liked casinos I'd certainly like a coin one.  There already is one somewhere....

there is? i haven't seen any that accept std

No it wasn't STD, it was probably bitcoins.  I think if you want a decent amount of users, you'll need to take several coins.

[SweetLou]

Working on a casino style website for crypto coins. would anyone here be interested in a site that accepted standardcoin?

If I liked casinos I'd certainly like a coin one.  There already is one somewhere....

there is? i haven't seen any that accept std

No it wasn't STD, it was probably bitcoins.  I think if you want a decent amount of users, you'll need to take several coins.

oh yea i agree. I planned on doing as many coins as i can.

[hucker]

Working on a casino style website for crypto coins. would anyone here be interested in a site that accepted standardcoin?

If I liked casinos I'd certainly like a coin one.  There already is one somewhere....

there is? i haven't seen any that accept std

No it wasn't STD, it was probably bitcoins.  I think if you want a decent amount of users, you'll need to take several coins.

oh yea i agree. I planned on doing as many coins as i can.

Mind you trading coins on Cryptsy is a bit like a casino, it's fun!  I just multiplied an investment by TEN on Israel coins in 2 days.

[SweetLou]

Working on a casino style website for crypto coins. would anyone here be interested in a site that accepted standardcoin?

If I liked casinos I'd certainly like a coin one.  There already is one somewhere....

there is? i haven't seen any that accept std

No it wasn't STD, it was probably bitcoins.  I think if you want a decent amount of users, you'll need to take several coins.

oh yea i agree. I planned on doing as many coins as i can.

Mind you trading coins on Cryptsy is a bit like a casino, it's fun!  I just multiplied an investment by TEN on Israel coins in 2 days.

LOL

[Bittrex-Rami]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

Already done like 20 mins ago.
This is the wallet bittrex provided me but my balance is still not showing

You should contact the bitrex support to see if something went wrong.

Yeah, thank you anyway

I'm in the same boat.. plenty of confirmations on my end.

I tweeted Bittrex and gave them a heads up. I'm sure they can correct it on their end.

Hi everyone, we're taking a look at why deposits have been slow.  We processed a few deposits today so not everyone is stuck. Disabled the wallet temporarily as a precaution. 

so you are saying our funds are not lost, just delayed?

Don't know for sure, we're investigating. 

Reassuring..

I'm sure Bill didn't intend for that to sound quite so ominous.  STD wallet is back-online, no funds lost.  Sorry about that.

R.

[richiela]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

Already done like 20 mins ago.
This is the wallet bittrex provided me but my balance is still not showing

You should contact the bitrex support to see if something went wrong.

Yeah, thank you anyway

I'm in the same boat.. plenty of confirmations on my end.

I tweeted Bittrex and gave them a heads up. I'm sure they can correct it on their end.

Hi everyone, we're taking a look at why deposits have been slow.  We processed a few deposits today so not everyone is stuck. Disabled the wallet temporarily as a precaution. 

so you are saying our funds are not lost, just delayed?

Don't know for sure, we're investigating. 

Reassuring..

I'm sure Bill didn't intend for that to sound quite so ominous.  STD wallet is back-online, no funds lost.  Sorry about that.

R.

Yeah, Bill has a way with words

And root cause was the damn guy responsible for the wallet infrastructure didn't update and was on the wrong blockchain.  They should fire that guy

Thanks
Richie

[hucker]

Is anyone having problems with bittrex deposits?
Are they on the right chain?

EDIT: this is obviously related to Standardcoin

You may on the wrong chain.
Check the explorer at:
http://explorer.standardcoin.net/
to see if you are on the right chain.

Already done like 20 mins ago.
This is the wallet bittrex provided me but my balance is still not showing

You should contact the bitrex support to see if something went wrong.

Yeah, thank you anyway

I'm in the same boat.. plenty of confirmations on my end.

I tweeted Bittrex and gave them a heads up. I'm sure they can correct it on their end.

Hi everyone, we're taking a look at why deposits have been slow.  We processed a few deposits today so not everyone is stuck. Disabled the wallet temporarily as a precaution. 

so you are saying our funds are not lost, just delayed?

Don't know for sure, we're investigating. 

Reassuring..

I'm sure Bill didn't intend for that to sound quite so ominous.  STD wallet is back-online, no funds lost.  Sorry about that.

R.

Confirmed! Thanks brother.

+1

[ghibly79]

He promises to buy back all the coins at 25% of its value. He didn't force you to do so.
Look at other IPO, you can't even do that. You can only sell your coins on an exchange and if no one is buying, you will lose all your investment.

For the MILLIONTH time: with legit coins you KNOW you can lose (like with every investment), cause price CAN GO DOWN. Nobody is trying to deceive you by saying you cannot lose by some magic, like this dev.
Other ipos can be scams too ofc, and there are tenths of examples there already: they can run with the money or even do ipo+premine, taking investors money then dumping the premine for more btc and killing the coin. And they are tagged as scammers too in fact xD
But this time the scam is already in place cause he's trying to deceive people to invest stating they cannot lose cause the rate is constantly rising. So that's already worth a scam tag.

[nbphuoc]

He promises to buy back all the coins at 25% of its value. He didn't force you to do so.
Look at other IPO, you can't even do that. You can only sell your coins on an exchange and if no one is buying, you will lose all your investment.

For the MILLIONTH time: with legit coins you KNOW you can lose (like with every investment), cause price CAN GO DOWN. Nobody is trying to deceive you you cannot lose by some magic, like this dev.
Other ipos can be scams too ofc, and there are tenths of examples there already: they can run with the money or even do ipo+premine, taking investors money then dumping the premine for more btc and killing the coin. And they are tagged as scammers too in fact xD
But this time the scam is already in place cause he's trying to deceive people to invest stating they cannot lose cause the rate is constantly rising. So that's already worth a scam tag.

He didn't steal anybody money and he is not saying that people can not lose their money.
He did exactly what he said. People read it, understand it and invest if they want, nobody is forcing them to do so.
So far he did not steal anybody money and he delivered what he supposed to.
So he is not a thief or a liar but still you say he is a scammer, why?
I'm not envolving in this coin, did not mine it, did not invest in the IPO. I just think that it's unfair for him to be tagged as a scammer.

[ghibly79]

Nope sorry, if you read his op, all the wording points to a secure investment, constantly rising in value, even if he doesn't directly state "you cannot lose money". Spare me your sophism. It's a scheme made so he'll always profit no matter what and the risk (practically certainty, cause someone WILL lose everything at some point with a ponzi, only a matter of time. While with legit investments it's not certain at all) is masked. Plus the private exchange part. All worth a very fat extreme caution remark. Cryptos+ipo is shady already as I stated, crypto+ipo+premine even more so. Crypto+ipo+new account+premine+ponzi structure and wording+private exchange=scam.

[hucker]

Nope sorry, if you read his op, all the wording points to a secure investment, constantly rising in value, even if he doesn't directly state "you cannot lose money". Spare me your sophism. It's a scheme made so he'll always profit no matter what and the risk (practically certainty, cause someone WILL lose everything at some point with a ponzi, only a matter of time. While with legit investments it's not certain at all). Plus the private exchange part. All worth a very fat extreme caution remark. Cryptos+ipo is shady already as I stated, crypto+ipo+premine even more so. Crypto+ipo+new account+premine+ponzi structure and wording+private exchange=scam.

Give it a rest, nobody's listening to you, we all know that it's you making up the lies.

[ghibly79]

Judging by hashrate and the other thread, you are in minority my dear noob/sockpuppet/naive/whatever you are

[nbphuoc]

Nope sorry, if you read his op, all the wording points to a secure investment, constantly rising in value, even if he doesn't directly state "you cannot lose money". Spare me your sophism. It's a scheme made so he'll always profit no matter what and the risk (practically certainty, cause someone WILL lose everything at some point with a ponzi, only a matter of time. While with legit investments it's not certain at all). Plus the private exchange part. All worth a very fat extreme caution remark. Cryptos+ipo is shady already as I stated, crypto+ipo+premine even more so. Crypto+ipo+new account+premine+ponzi structure and wording+private exchange=scam.

So if someone is making a profit he instantly becomes a scammer to you?

[hucker]

Judging by hashrate and the other thread, you are in minority my dear noob/sockpuppet/naive/whatever you are

You cannot possibly know my hashrate.  If you do, you're being reported for hacking.

[ghibly79]

Nope sorry, if you read his op, all the wording points to a secure investment, constantly rising in value, even if he doesn't directly state "you cannot lose money". Spare me your sophism. It's a scheme made so he'll always profit no matter what and the risk (practically certainty, cause someone WILL lose everything at some point with a ponzi, only a matter of time. While with legit investments it's not certain at all). Plus the private exchange part. All worth a very fat extreme caution remark. Cryptos+ipo is shady already as I stated, crypto+ipo+premine even more so. Crypto+ipo+new account+premine+ponzi structure and wording+private exchange=scam.

So if someone is making a profit he instantly becomes a scammer to you?

Nope, it's HOW you make it. If you get it by deceiving people (trying to, OF COURSE not everybody will fall, hello? ^^') you are a fraudster.

[hucker]

So if someone is making a profit he instantly becomes a scammer to you?

I reckon his medication needs increased, he's one of those people who thinks everyone's out to get him, like MI5victim https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e9x0TwHkbY

[ghibly79]

Judging by hashrate and the other thread, you are in minority my dear noob/sockpuppet/naive/whatever you are

You cannot possibly know my hashrate.  If you do, you're being reported for hacking.

Network hasrate, nAb. You can see from any pool. You are just a noob who doesn't know what he's doing, that's the reason for all this commotion, to be honest.

I reckon his medication needs increased, he's one of those people who thinks everyone's out to get him, like MI5victim https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e9x0TwHkbY

Just stop posting not related nonsense xD

[alex21]

New pool:
http://std.air-pool.net/

Stratum was tested in testnet, works fine with last miners. (gpu and cpu)

[hucker]

Judging by hashrate and the other thread, you are in minority my dear noob/sockpuppet/naive/whatever you are

You cannot possibly know my hashrate.  If you do, you're being reported for hacking.

Network hasrate, nAb. You can see from any pool. You are just a noob who doesn't know what he's doing, that's the reason for all this commotion, to be honest.

What's my hashrate then?  Since you seem to know what pool(s) I'm on.  Note the s in brackets which means your answer will be wrong.

I reckon his medication needs increased, he's one of those people who thinks everyone's out to get him, like MI5victim https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e9x0TwHkbY

Just stop posting not related nonsense xD

Lack of denial noted.

[ghibly79]

Last time I checked there was only one pool, so easy. If now there are more you can just do the math. Or you can see the total hashrate from the wallet, in console window "getmininginfo" command. Noob at work there, should put on a signal.

(pretty ot and trollish already, anyway).

[ghibly79]

Last block difficulty 0.086 (from block explorer). I don't even have to know precise hashrate: that's abysmally low.

[hucker]

Last time I checked there was only one pool, so easy. If now there are more you can just do the math. Or you can see the total hashrate from the wallet, in console window "getmininginfo" command. Noob at work there, should put on a signal.

(pretty ot and trollish already, anyway).

You haven't got a bloody clue have you?  I mine about 30 different coins, and seldom mine STD as it's not currently very profitable to mine.  The correct answer is about 6500 MHash/sec.  The electric meter sat right beside me shows the input to my house is currently 5.5kW, and most of that is miners.

[ghibly79]

And? I was talking about STD not being supported except by you and very few others. How your personal hashrate is related is a total mistery to mankind. Poor trolling attempt.

[hucker]

And? I was talking about STD not being supported except by you and very few others. How your personal hashrate is related is a total mistery to mankind. Poor trolling attempt.

You need to learn basic English, this is an English speaking forum.  When you first mentioned it, you didn't qualify the word hashrate with an adjective, and you didn't even say who you were replying to!  And in fact later on when I said "What's my hashrate then?" you didn't say you weren't talking about mine.

Anyone know where the killfile option is on here?  This could be a nice tidy conversation without ghibly in it.  What is a ghibly anyway?  Sounds like a troll to me!  Some kinda Hobbit character or what?

[Rainer4256]

And? I was talking about STD not being supported except by you and very few others. How your personal hashrate is related is a total mistery to mankind. Poor trolling attempt.

You need to learn basic English, this is an English speaking forum.  When you first mentioned it, you didn't qualify the word hashrate with an adjective, and you didn't even say who you were replying to!  And in fact later on when I said "What's my hashrate then?" you didn't say you weren't talking about mine.

Anyone know where the killfile option is on here?  This could be a nice tidy conversation without ghibly in it.  What is a ghibly anyway?  Sounds like a troll to me!  Some kinda Hobbit character or what?

He is most likely Italian. All I found was that "ghibli" is a Maserati model. Maybe his dream car. My first language isn't English as well so feel free to correct me.

[jomay]

Judging by hashrate and the other thread, you are in minority my dear noob/sockpuppet/naive/whatever you are

Why do you bother posting like a plague if only so few people are affected? If they are affected at all?

Nope sorry, if you read his op, all the wording points to a secure investment, constantly rising in value, even if he doesn't directly state "you cannot lose money".

Hmm so you started making assumptions that are not or only loosely based on the Devs initial post - and you blame the author for that? Odd.

It's a scheme made so he'll always profit no matter what and the risk (practically certainty, cause someone WILL lose everything at some point with a ponzi, only a matter of time. While with legit investments it's not certain at all) is masked.

First, the Dev does NOT profit no matter what. He can only "profit" if he is dishonest. Simply handing over BTC to the dev for some purpose (guaranteeing the minimum price) does NOT make this a scam. Only if the dev takes the money and runs away with it. Using that argument you should call every BTC exchange and even normal banks a "scam" - as they could in theory walk away with your money.

Second, if you had read the definition of "Ponzi" carefully you would know that Standardcoin is NOT a prime example for a Ponzi. STD does not pay a return stream from new investor funds. Furthermore, it is pretty transparent what happens behind the scenes. If at all STD is similar to a pyramid scheme or to an economic bubble, as defined in Wikipedia:

An economic bubble: A bubble is similar to a Ponzi scheme in that one participant gets paid by contributions from a subsequent participant (until inevitable collapse). A bubble involves ever-rising prices in an open market (for example stock, housing, or tulip bulbs) where prices rise because buyers bid more because prices are rising. Bubbles are often said to be based on the "greater fool" theory. As with the Ponzi scheme, the price exceeds the intrinsic value of the item, but unlike the Ponzi scheme, there is no single person misrepresenting the intrinsic value.

Obviously, some people call BTC a Ponzi - if you are one of them feel free to call STD a Ponzi as well.

[ghibly79]

And? I was talking about STD not being supported except by you and very few others. How your personal hashrate is related is a total mistery to mankind. Poor trolling attempt.

You need to learn basic English, this is an English speaking forum.  When you first mentioned it, you didn't qualify the word hashrate with an adjective, and you didn't even say who you were replying to!  And in fact later on when I said "What's my hashrate then?" you didn't say you weren't talking about mine.

Anyone know where the killfile option is on here?  This could be a nice tidy conversation without ghibly in it.  What is a ghibly anyway?  Sounds like a troll to me!  Some kinda Hobbit character or what?

Whatever xD I was talking about network hashrate being abysmally low thus contradicting your thesis that I was the only "detractor" there. You need to learn basic reading comprehension, no matter the language (my english is most likely better than yours even if you are a native speaker btw xD).
Mr. glass climbing troll.

[hucker]

And? I was talking about STD not being supported except by you and very few others. How your personal hashrate is related is a total mistery to mankind. Poor trolling attempt.

You need to learn basic English, this is an English speaking forum.  When you first mentioned it, you didn't qualify the word hashrate with an adjective, and you didn't even say who you were replying to!  And in fact later on when I said "What's my hashrate then?" you didn't say you weren't talking about mine.

Anyone know where the killfile option is on here?  This could be a nice tidy conversation without ghibly in it.  What is a ghibly anyway?  Sounds like a troll to me!  Some kinda Hobbit character or what?

Whatever xD I was talking about network hashrate being abysmally low thus contraddicting your thesis that I was the only "detractor" there. You need to learn basic reading comprehension, no matter the language (my english is most likely better than yours even if you are a native speaker btw xD).
Mr. glass climbing troll.

There are about 200 altcoins, the hashrate is spread too thinly.  Nothing to do with STD coins, which are very new by the way so won't have a decent hashrate yet.  Most miners just mine what's on Cryptsy.

As for English, "contraddicting"?  "english"?

[ghibly79]

Judging by hashrate and the other thread, you are in minority my dear noob/sockpuppet/naive/whatever you are

Why do you bother posting like a plague if only so few people are affected? If they are affected at all?

Nope sorry, if you read his op, all the wording points to a secure investment, constantly rising in value, even if he doesn't directly state "you cannot lose money".

Hmm so you started making assumptions that are not or only loosely based on the Devs initial post - and you blame the author for that? Odd.

It's a scheme made so he'll always profit no matter what and the risk (practically certainty, cause someone WILL lose everything at some point with a ponzi, only a matter of time. While with legit investments it's not certain at all) is masked.

First, the Dev does NOT profit no matter what. He can only "profit" if he is dishonest. Simply handing over BTC to the dev for some purpose (guaranteeing the minimum price) does NOT make this a scam. Only if the dev takes the money and runs away with it. Using that argument you should call every BTC exchange and even normal banks a "scam" - as they could in theory walk away with your money.

Second, if you had read the definition of "Ponzi" carefully you would know that Standardcoin is NOT a prime example for a Ponzi. STD does not pay a return stream from new investor funds. Furthermore, it is pretty transparent what happens behind the scenes. If at all STD is similar to a pyramid scheme or to an economic bubble, as defined in Wikipedia:

An economic bubble: A bubble is similar to a Ponzi scheme in that one participant gets paid by contributions from a subsequent participant (until inevitable collapse). A bubble involves ever-rising prices in an open market (for example stock, housing, or tulip bulbs) where prices rise because buyers bid more because prices are rising. Bubbles are often said to be based on the "greater fool" theory. As with the Ponzi scheme, the price exceeds the intrinsic value of the item, but unlike the Ponzi scheme, there is no single person misrepresenting the intrinsic value.

Obviously, some people call BTC a Ponzi - if you are one of them feel free to call STD a Ponzi as well.

At least someone who tries to post reasoned replies and not random troll gibberish. Unfortunately you are wrong.

You are right on this one point though: "the dev is not profiting no matter what, he has to run with the money at some point" (except if no new investors come and mining stops, or is very low, and ipoers decide to dump. Then he'll pay back ipo investors a fraction of their investment and will keep most of it. Which is a very likely scenario, btw). My fault with that last statement, wasn't 100% accurate, I rushed it. Fair is fair.

This is not changing the main problem anyway: he worded the thread to make you think you cannot lose money and that there will always be enough btc to buy back std at GER. The first part you can argue is only an assumption (sophism, cause it's very very clear) but the second part is plainly false, cause he'll be using new investors' money to pay either the miners or ipo investors dumping, or a mix. Or ipo money to pay the other two. Whoever dumps last will be losing money, mathematically.

So he is deceiving new investors to pour money into the ponzi, so he can keep it running, trying to mask what it is and keeping the option to run with the money open if the sum gets large enough.

Banks and btc are not ponzis (well maybe banks xD) cause, in the case of btc, NOBODY is guaranteeing he's going to buy back all your btc at initial investment cost.

This IS a Ponzi cause only one person is (deceivingly) misinterpreting intrinsic value, leading investors to believe this value will be always at least enough to recover initial investment, while that's not the case.

[hucker]

At least someone who tries to post reasoned replies and not random troll gibberish. Unfortunately you are wrong.

You are right on this one point though: "the dev is not profiting no matter what, he has to run with the money at some point" (except if no new investors come and mining stops, or is very low, and ipoers decide to dump. Then he'll pay back ipo investors a fraction of their investment and will keep most of it. Which is a very likely scenario, btw). My fault with that last statement, wasn't 100% accurate, I rushed it. Fair is fair.

This is not changing the main problem anyway: he worded the thread to make you think you cannot lose money and that there will always be enough btc to buy back std at GER. The first part you can argue is only an assumption (sophism, cause it's very very clear) but the second part is plainly false, cause he'll be using new investors' money to pay either the miners or ipo investors dumping, or a mix. Or ipo money to pay the other two. Whoever dumps last will be losing money, mathematically.

So he is deceiving new investors to pour money into the ponzi, so he can keep it running, trying to mask what it is and keeping the option to run with the money open if the sum gets large enough.

Banks and btc are not ponzis (well maybe banks xD) cause, in the case of btc, NOBODY is guaranteeing he's going to buy back all your btc at initial investment cost.

This IS a Ponzi cause only one person is (deceivingly) misinterpreting intrinsic value, leading investors to believe this value will be always at least enough to recover initial investment, while that's not the case.

Yawn.....

[supermeatboy385]

Hey

I sent 10k STD to bittrex before i updated to the KGW-Patch.
Can you please acces this blockchainfork and resend them?
I mined forever to get this amount
Transaction details:
Status: 0/unbestätigt
Datum: 11.04.2014 10:07
An: bittrex sNMHhDPR6z1qHrKdMDQKfzvj6fS5e5UK1w
Belastung: -10523.59673651 STD
Nettobetrag: -10523.59673651 STD
Transaktions-ID: 1d7a7d1190d3147ac7706a83a33552600f17deef84d3b4655f39f030a00035eb
My STD adress:sdFoU6Kcv13UGHR7uz4Ye12LKY9jhomw9L

[hucker]

Hey

I sent 10k STD to bittrex before i updated to the KGW-Patch.
Can you please acces this blockchainfork and resend them?
I mined forever to get this amount
Transaction details:
Status: 0/unbestätigt
Datum: 11.04.2014 10:07
An: bittrex sNMHhDPR6z1qHrKdMDQKfzvj6fS5e5UK1w
Belastung: -10523.59673651 STD
Nettobetrag: -10523.59673651 STD
Transaktions-ID: 1d7a7d1190d3147ac7706a83a33552600f17deef84d3b4655f39f030a00035eb
My STD adress:sdFoU6Kcv13UGHR7uz4Ye12LKY9jhomw9L

If you sent them to the wrong fork, they're not really sent.  If you delete your copy of the blockchain and re-download it with the new wallet version, you should still have your coins.  Close your wallet program, delete everything in c:\users\{your computer username}\Appdata\Roaming\StandardCoin EXCEPT wallet.dat,m then reopen the wallet program and let it re-download the chain.  Never delete wallet.dat, and keep a backup of it, that's your key to what money you have in the blockchain.  Even if the file is out of date, you still have access to whatever coins you currently have, as that information is stored globally in the blockchain.

[SweetLou]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

[hucker]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

+1

[supermeatboy385]

Hey

I sent 10k STD to bittrex before i updated to the KGW-Patch.
Can you please acces this blockchainfork and resend them?
I mined forever to get this amount
Transaction details:
Status: 0/unbestätigt
Datum: 11.04.2014 10:07
An: bittrex sNMHhDPR6z1qHrKdMDQKfzvj6fS5e5UK1w
Belastung: -10523.59673651 STD
Nettobetrag: -10523.59673651 STD
Transaktions-ID: 1d7a7d1190d3147ac7706a83a33552600f17deef84d3b4655f39f030a00035eb
My STD adress:sdFoU6Kcv13UGHR7uz4Ye12LKY9jhomw9L

If you sent them to the wrong fork, they're not really sent.  If you delete your copy of the blockchain and re-download it with the new wallet version, you should still have your coins.  Close your wallet program, delete everything in c:\users\{your computer username}\Appdata\Roaming\StandardCoin EXCEPT wallet.dat,m then reopen the wallet program and let it re-download the chain.  Never delete wallet.dat, and keep a backup of it, that's your key to what money you have in the blockchain.  Even if the file is out of date, you still have access to whatever coins you currently have, as that information is stored globally in the blockchain.

Thats what i did.The transaction is still displayed,and even with a new blockchain with updated wallet i get 0 confirmations for it.
I deleted the new dat,let the blockhain update and then inserted the original.dat aswell,which didnt work aswell.

[SweetLou]

Hey

I sent 10k STD to bittrex before i updated to the KGW-Patch.
Can you please acces this blockchainfork and resend them?
I mined forever to get this amount
Transaction details:
Status: 0/unbestätigt
Datum: 11.04.2014 10:07
An: bittrex sNMHhDPR6z1qHrKdMDQKfzvj6fS5e5UK1w
Belastung: -10523.59673651 STD
Nettobetrag: -10523.59673651 STD
Transaktions-ID: 1d7a7d1190d3147ac7706a83a33552600f17deef84d3b4655f39f030a00035eb
My STD adress:sdFoU6Kcv13UGHR7uz4Ye12LKY9jhomw9L

If you sent them to the wrong fork, they're not really sent.  If you delete your copy of the blockchain and re-download it with the new wallet version, you should still have your coins.  Close your wallet program, delete everything in c:\users\{your computer username}\Appdata\Roaming\StandardCoin EXCEPT wallet.dat,m then reopen the wallet program and let it re-download the chain.  Never delete wallet.dat, and keep a backup of it, that's your key to what money you have in the blockchain.  Even if the file is out of date, you still have access to whatever coins you currently have, as that information is stored globally in the blockchain.

Thats what i did.The transaction is still displayed,and even with a new blockchain with updated wallet i get 0 confirmations for it.
I deleted the new dat,let the blockhain update and then inserted the original.dat aswell,which didnt work aswell.

what I did was copy my wallet.dat to another location.
then I deleted the whole "standardcoin" folder in %appdata% folder.
then i launched the new exe
let the blockchain download again.
the replace the new wallet.dat with the old one.

[hucker]

Hey

I sent 10k STD to bittrex before i updated to the KGW-Patch.
Can you please acces this blockchainfork and resend them?
I mined forever to get this amount
Transaction details:
Status: 0/unbestätigt
Datum: 11.04.2014 10:07
An: bittrex sNMHhDPR6z1qHrKdMDQKfzvj6fS5e5UK1w
Belastung: -10523.59673651 STD
Nettobetrag: -10523.59673651 STD
Transaktions-ID: 1d7a7d1190d3147ac7706a83a33552600f17deef84d3b4655f39f030a00035eb
My STD adress:sdFoU6Kcv13UGHR7uz4Ye12LKY9jhomw9L

If you sent them to the wrong fork, they're not really sent.  If you delete your copy of the blockchain and re-download it with the new wallet version, you should still have your coins.  Close your wallet program, delete everything in c:\users\{your computer username}\Appdata\Roaming\StandardCoin EXCEPT wallet.dat,m then reopen the wallet program and let it re-download the chain.  Never delete wallet.dat, and keep a backup of it, that's your key to what money you have in the blockchain.  Even if the file is out of date, you still have access to whatever coins you currently have, as that information is stored globally in the blockchain.

Thats what i did.The transaction is still displayed,and even with a new blockchain with updated wallet i get 0 confirmations for it.
I deleted the new dat,let the blockhain update and then inserted the original.dat aswell,which didnt work aswell.

I had that problem with another coin a few months ago.  I'd tried to send a transaction out from the wallet while it was out of sync (never do that!), my wallet.dat file had the transaction listed, but it had never been sent out to the rest of the world.  I fixed it by replacing my wallet.dat with an earlier backup (and also deleting all other files).  The earlier version of wallet.dat didn't have the faulty transaction in it.  When it re-downloaded the blockchain, the coins were back in my wallet and I did a fresh transaction.

If you don't have a backup (why not?), there is a way to manually edit the wallet.dat, but it's not easy.

[Rainer4256]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

+2

[tattooist]

Judging by hashrate and the other thread, you are in minority my dear noob/sockpuppet/naive/whatever you are

Why do you bother posting like a plague if only so few people are affected? If they are affected at all?

Nope sorry, if you read his op, all the wording points to a secure investment, constantly rising in value, even if he doesn't directly state "you cannot lose money".

Hmm so you started making assumptions that are not or only loosely based on the Devs initial post - and you blame the author for that? Odd.

It's a scheme made so he'll always profit no matter what and the risk (practically certainty, cause someone WILL lose everything at some point with a ponzi, only a matter of time. While with legit investments it's not certain at all) is masked.

First, the Dev does NOT profit no matter what. He can only "profit" if he is dishonest. Simply handing over BTC to the dev for some purpose (guaranteeing the minimum price) does NOT make this a scam. Only if the dev takes the money and runs away with it. Using that argument you should call every BTC exchange and even normal banks a "scam" - as they could in theory walk away with your money.

Second, if you had read the definition of "Ponzi" carefully you would know that Standardcoin is NOT a prime example for a Ponzi. STD does not pay a return stream from new investor funds. Furthermore, it is pretty transparent what happens behind the scenes. If at all STD is similar to a pyramid scheme or to an economic bubble, as defined in Wikipedia:

An economic bubble: A bubble is similar to a Ponzi scheme in that one participant gets paid by contributions from a subsequent participant (until inevitable collapse). A bubble involves ever-rising prices in an open market (for example stock, housing, or tulip bulbs) where prices rise because buyers bid more because prices are rising. Bubbles are often said to be based on the "greater fool" theory. As with the Ponzi scheme, the price exceeds the intrinsic value of the item, but unlike the Ponzi scheme, there is no single person misrepresenting the intrinsic value.

Obviously, some people call BTC a Ponzi - if you are one of them feel free to call STD a Ponzi as well.

At least someone who tries to post reasoned replies and not random troll gibberish. Unfortunately you are wrong.

You are right on this one point though: "the dev is not profiting no matter what, he has to run with the money at some point" (except if no new investors come and mining stops, or is very low, and ipoers decide to dump. Then he'll pay back ipo investors a fraction of their investment and will keep most of it. Which is a very likely scenario, btw). My fault with that last statement, wasn't 100% accurate, I rushed it. Fair is fair.

This is not changing the main problem anyway: he worded the thread to make you think you cannot lose money and that there will always be enough btc to buy back std at GER. The first part you can argue is only an assumption (sophism, cause it's very very clear) but the second part is plainly false, cause he'll be using new investors' money to pay either the miners or ipo investors dumping, or a mix. Or ipo money to pay the other two. Whoever dumps last will be losing money, mathematically.

So he is deceiving new investors to pour money into the ponzi, so he can keep it running, trying to mask what it is and keeping the option to run with the money open if the sum gets large enough.

Banks and btc are not ponzis (well maybe banks xD) cause, in the case of btc, NOBODY is guaranteeing he's going to buy back all your btc at initial investment cost.

This IS a Ponzi cause only one person is (deceivingly) misinterpreting intrinsic value, leading investors to believe this value will be always at least enough to recover initial investment, while that's not the case.

+1 .. clearest explantion of what this coin is (most likely) about

[hucker]

Judging by hashrate and the other thread, you are in minority my dear noob/sockpuppet/naive/whatever you are

Why do you bother posting like a plague if only so few people are affected? If they are affected at all?

Nope sorry, if you read his op, all the wording points to a secure investment, constantly rising in value, even if he doesn't directly state "you cannot lose money".

Hmm so you started making assumptions that are not or only loosely based on the Devs initial post - and you blame the author for that? Odd.

It's a scheme made so he'll always profit no matter what and the risk (practically certainty, cause someone WILL lose everything at some point with a ponzi, only a matter of time. While with legit investments it's not certain at all) is masked.

First, the Dev does NOT profit no matter what. He can only "profit" if he is dishonest. Simply handing over BTC to the dev for some purpose (guaranteeing the minimum price) does NOT make this a scam. Only if the dev takes the money and runs away with it. Using that argument you should call every BTC exchange and even normal banks a "scam" - as they could in theory walk away with your money.

Second, if you had read the definition of "Ponzi" carefully you would know that Standardcoin is NOT a prime example for a Ponzi. STD does not pay a return stream from new investor funds. Furthermore, it is pretty transparent what happens behind the scenes. If at all STD is similar to a pyramid scheme or to an economic bubble, as defined in Wikipedia:

An economic bubble: A bubble is similar to a Ponzi scheme in that one participant gets paid by contributions from a subsequent participant (until inevitable collapse). A bubble involves ever-rising prices in an open market (for example stock, housing, or tulip bulbs) where prices rise because buyers bid more because prices are rising. Bubbles are often said to be based on the "greater fool" theory. As with the Ponzi scheme, the price exceeds the intrinsic value of the item, but unlike the Ponzi scheme, there is no single person misrepresenting the intrinsic value.

Obviously, some people call BTC a Ponzi - if you are one of them feel free to call STD a Ponzi as well.

At least someone who tries to post reasoned replies and not random troll gibberish. Unfortunately you are wrong.

You are right on this one point though: "the dev is not profiting no matter what, he has to run with the money at some point" (except if no new investors come and mining stops, or is very low, and ipoers decide to dump. Then he'll pay back ipo investors a fraction of their investment and will keep most of it. Which is a very likely scenario, btw). My fault with that last statement, wasn't 100% accurate, I rushed it. Fair is fair.

This is not changing the main problem anyway: he worded the thread to make you think you cannot lose money and that there will always be enough btc to buy back std at GER. The first part you can argue is only an assumption (sophism, cause it's very very clear) but the second part is plainly false, cause he'll be using new investors' money to pay either the miners or ipo investors dumping, or a mix. Or ipo money to pay the other two. Whoever dumps last will be losing money, mathematically.

So he is deceiving new investors to pour money into the ponzi, so he can keep it running, trying to mask what it is and keeping the option to run with the money open if the sum gets large enough.

Banks and btc are not ponzis (well maybe banks xD) cause, in the case of btc, NOBODY is guaranteeing he's going to buy back all your btc at initial investment cost.

This IS a Ponzi cause only one person is (deceivingly) misinterpreting intrinsic value, leading investors to believe this value will be always at least enough to recover initial investment, while that's not the case.

+1 .. clearest explantion of what this coin is (most likely) about

Innocent until proven guilty.  Do you live in the dark ages?  Shall we drown the dev and see if he's a witch?

[Rainer4256]

Innocent until proven guilty.  Do you live in the dark ages?  Shall we drown the dev and see if he's a witch?

Haha! Good point. 

[tattooist]

(most likely) << you understand what this means? this might help http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_word_most_likely_mean#slide=1

[hucker]

(most likely) << you understand what this means? this might help http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_word_most_likely_mean#slide=1

It means you're assuming probable guilt when in actual fact we don't know.  Go sleep with ghibly, nobody else is interested in your crazy theories.  And in the style of ghibly.... I think you're his soque.

[Rainer4256]

(most likely) << you understand what this means? this might help http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_word_most_likely_mean#slide=1

"Most likely" means a very high probability.

[SweetLou]

(most likely) << you understand what this means? this might help http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_word_most_likely_mean#slide=1

^^^
ghibly79's sockpuppet

(according to his logic atleast)

[ghibly79]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Nope, I left you my negative feedback since YOU are abusing the trust system leaving a negative to me (useless, nobody except yourself will be able to see that anyway, but still) cause you disagree. You are the one actually abusing the system. This thread is a constant font of amusement, seriously.
I'm not tagging anyone who simply disagrees or I disagree with (otherwise hucker will be at -9999 by now xD).

Rarely seen this much glass climbing in my whole life.

[ghibly79]

(most likely) << you understand what this means? this might help http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_word_most_likely_mean#slide=1

Not even most likely, otherwise I wouldn't have tagged him. The deception is PROVEN cause he is LYING when he states "there'll be always enough btc bo buy back STD at GER" which is FALSE (anyone can do the math himself).
Running with the money is very likely but that will only be aggravating.

Innocent until proven guilty.  Do you live in the dark ages?  Shall we drown the dev and see if he's a witch?

Nope, proven already, read the above.

[Kreativekrypto]

This entire thread is officially pointless and wasted my time, its nothing but trolling/arguments. That is all.

[hucker]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Nope, I left you my negative feedback since YOU are abusing the trust system leaving a negative to me (useless, nobody except yourself will be able to see that anyway, but still) cause you disagree. You are the one actually abusing the system. This thread is a constant font of amusement, seriously.
I'm not tagging anyone who simply disagrees or I disagree with (otherwise hucker will be at -9999 by now xD).

Rarely seen this much glass climbing in my whole life.

A negative is because someone doesn't trust you.  Why have you thrown your toys out of the pram?

P.S. I've never heard anyone say glass climbing before.  Are you sure you're from this planet?  That's not a known expression, even to google.

Look, it's quite clear nobody wants to listen to you, so even if you're sure you're right and we're all wrong, why are you bothering, you're simply getting nowhere.

[hucker]

This entire thread is officially pointless and wasted my time, its nothing but trolling/arguments. That is all.

Perhaps ghibly did this on purpose because he has a vendetta against the dev?  I'll just call that definite, since ghibly likes to change probability to fact.

[ehugh66]

    exchange built in wallet ?
       

[Tekkerr]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.
Yes it a bit optimistic to make statements of no way you can make losses, but hey it's advertisement.
Is it a Ponzi I don't know, is it a scam I don't know, but that ghibly79 can't know either.
And until know dev. lived up to his promises, so he is unguilty until proven guilty !

He calls us sock puppets, again without any proof or evidence.
This guy ....

He is using his trust level to destroy the trust system on this forum, as for now all he tag gets a sign under there name that is devastating for honest people. It will be soon so that everybody will be untruthful and the tag loose it' meaning.

[hucker]

    exchange built in wallet ?
       

No, you need to go to the Standardcoin website to use the "built-in" exchange.

[hucker]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.

Because the trust system is worthless.  Only people who have trust themselves can change the score of anyone else.  It's not a democracy, it's a clique group of big headed egos.

[Tekkerrr]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.

Because the trust system is worthless.  Only people who have trust themselves can change the score of anyone else.  It's not a democracy, it's a clique group of big headed egos.

idd

Ow my trust level is back at zero.
This was hard to do. Now I'm ready again to start pupetting. 
Good job of destroying that could be a good system on this forum ghibly79 !

[Rainer4256]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.

Because the trust system is worthless.  Only people who have trust themselves can change the score of anyone else.  It's not a democracy, it's a clique group of big headed egos.

Agreed. Those people make the whole system untrustworthy.

[ghibly79]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.
Yes it a bit optimistic to make statements of no way you can make losses, but hey it's advertisement.
Is it a Ponzi I don't know, is it a scam I don't know, but that ghibly79 can't know either.
And until know dev. lived up to his promises, so he is unguilty until proven guilty !

He calls us sock puppets, again without any proof or evidence.
This guy ....

He is using his trust level to destroy the trust system on this forum, as for now all he tag gets a sign under there name that is devastating for honest people. It will be soon so that everybody will be untruthful and the tag loose it' meaning.

Fraudolent advertisement, you got it finally. Fraudolently advertising and holding all your money --> big fat huge don't trust him tag. Then you can ignore it if you want. But if you leave a negative to people giving fair warnings expect at least a negative back. I don't know if you are a sockpuppet (I written "MAYBE") but you abused the trust system (YOU, not me).

Remove yours and I'll remove mine (for your sake, not that I care about your negatives anyway).

[ghibly79]

    exchange built in wallet ?
       

No you need to give your money to dev.

[Tekkerrr]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.
Yes it a bit optimistic to make statements of no way you can make losses, but hey it's advertisement.
Is it a Ponzi I don't know, is it a scam I don't know, but that ghibly79 can't know either.
And until know dev. lived up to his promises, so he is unguilty until proven guilty !

He calls us sock puppets, again without any proof or evidence.
This guy ....

He is using his trust level to destroy the trust system on this forum, as for now all he tag gets a sign under there name that is devastating for honest people. It will be soon so that everybody will be untruthful and the tag loose it' meaning.

Fraudolent advertisement, you got it finally. Fraudolently advertising and holding all your money --> big fat huge don't trust him tag. Then you can ignore it if you want. But if you leave a negative to people giving fair warnings expect at least a negative back. I don't know if you are a sockpuppet (I written "MAYBE") but you abused the trust system (YOU, not me).

Remove yours and I'll remove mine (for your sake, not that I care about your negatives anyway).

Dude how old are you? try installing a life.
Don't you understand I care less what my ratings are on a troll-forum ?
A troll forum by action as those of yourself, you should act as a mature MAN, make your points and you shouldn't marked  the dev in the trust system until proven guilty!
As you claim to know it all but you ...

DO NOT HAVE ANY HARD EVIDENCE UPTO NOW !

[ghibly79]

I have hard evidence and posted it over and over and over. Many can see it clearly (expecially other experienced users, weird). You cannot see it even after all the explanations? FINE TO ME just ignore my negative rating to the dev, you are free to do so. But if you insist I tag people without evidence allow me to disagree too, and to leave a negative back to you since you left to me in the first place.

Fair is fair.

[hucker]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.

Because the trust system is worthless.  Only people who have trust themselves can change the score of anyone else.  It's not a democracy, it's a clique group of big headed egos.

idd

Ow my trust level is back at zero.
This was hard to do. Now I'm ready again to start pupetting. 
Good job of destroying that could be a good system on this forum ghibly79 !

I see your trust as -6

[hucker]

Fraudolent

Er what?  Have you got a smudge in your dictionary?  Misspelling the same word several times causes me to doubt your intelligence level, so I cannot trust anything you write.

[Tekkerr]

I have hard evidence and posted it over and over and over. Many can see it clearly (expecially other experienced users, weird). You cannot see it even after all the explanations? FINE TO ME just ignore my negative rating to the dev, you are free to do so. But if you insist I tag people without evidence allow me to disagree too, and to leave a negative back to you since you left to me in the first place.

Fair is fair.

Grow up man, get a life and have a good one !

You even left negative feedback on a guy that just came here never did anything to you other then just posted on this thread ... just by the evidence of his nickname .... ?
That is the evidence you need 
That's the exact same evidence you use to claim this is a Ponzi.
To be clear, there is a chance this is truly a Ponzi, but untill proven: IT IS NOT !
Just by statements you post here it doesn't make it so, you'r just 1 guy bro that ruined maybe good intentions.
Maybe the dev didn't made his calculations right, but that doesn't make him a criminal !
Untill now, the dev. came through for all what he promised.
If you have good solid evidence you are free to post it here on the forums, but to tag someone untrustfull before events occurred, you are wrong and should swallow your big headed pride and remove it from the guy !

And I'll answer in your age terms, maybe you understand that: "You remove my trust tag first then I will remove my trust tag from you  *child noise* ........ maybe *child gniffle*

[ghibly79]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.

Because the trust system is worthless.  Only people who have trust themselves can change the score of anyone else.  It's not a democracy, it's a clique group of big headed egos.

Agreed. Those people make the whole system untrustworthy.

On the contrary, from my point of view less newbies are falling for scams thanks to our warnings. Some are beyond salvation though. But meh, points of view.

[Tekkerr]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.

Because the trust system is worthless.  Only people who have trust themselves can change the score of anyone else.  It's not a democracy, it's a clique group of big headed egos.

idd

Ow my trust level is back at zero.
This was hard to do. Now I'm ready again to start pupetting. 
Good job of destroying that could be a good system on this forum ghibly79 !

I see your trust as -6

ghibly79  marked this account as well as untruthful, just by the evidence of the nickname, that's how he operates.

[ghibly79]

Fraudolent

Er what?  Have you got a smudge in your dictionary?  Misspelling the same word several times causes me to doubt your intelligence level, so I cannot trust anything you write.

Awww cute troll.

[hucker]

Remove yours and I'll remove mine (for your sake, not that I care about your negatives anyway).

Oh do grow up.

[ghibly79]

Kk xD

[hucker]

I have hard evidence and posted it over and over and over. Many can see it clearly (expecially other experienced users, weird). You cannot see it even after all the explanations? FINE TO ME just ignore my negative rating to the dev, you are free to do so. But if you insist I tag people without evidence allow me to disagree too, and to leave a negative back to you since you left to me in the first place.

Fair is fair.

Grow up man, get a life and have a good one !

You even left negative feedback on a guy that just came here never did anything to you other then just posted on this thread ... just by the evidence of his nickname .... ?
That is the evidence you need 
That's the exact same evidence you use to claim this is a Ponzi.
To be clear, there is a chance this is truly a Ponzi, but untill proven: IT IS NOT !
Just by statements you post here it doesn't make it so, you'r just 1 guy bro that ruined maybe good intentions.
Maybe the dev didn't made his calculations right, but that doesn't make him a criminal !
Untill now, the dev. came through for all what he promised.
If you have good solid evidence you are free to post it here on the forums, but to tag someone untrustfull before events occurred, you are wrong and should swallow your big headed pride and remove it from the guy !

And I'll answer in your age terms, maybe you understand that: "You remove my trust tag first then I will remove my trust tag from you  *child noise* ........ maybe *child gniffle*

Well said.  How many people must make a fool of this idiot before he leaves?

[hucker]

Fraudolent

Er what?  Have you got a smudge in your dictionary?  Misspelling the same word several times causes me to doubt your intelligence level, so I cannot trust anything you write.

Awww cute troll.

No, a simple observation.  Those who can spell tend to have higher intelligence, and have a clue about coins.

[ghibly79]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.

Because the trust system is worthless.  Only people who have trust themselves can change the score of anyone else.  It's not a democracy, it's a clique group of big headed egos.

idd

Ow my trust level is back at zero.
This was hard to do. Now I'm ready again to start pupetting.  
Good job of destroying that could be a good system on this forum ghibly79 !

I see your trust as -6

ghibly79  marked this account as well as untruthful, just by the evidence of the nickname, that's how he operates.

You totally got me with the double account Tekkerr ahah xD, must admit.
Well actually I should leave both your accounts tagged cause you are trying to abuse the trust system and then circumvent it, but I feel good and will remove it from the fake one with 3 "r"

[Tekkerr]

wow... so I do the right thing and defend this coin from the asshole that is ghibly79 and he is accusing me of being a sockpuppet? Just because someone disagrees with your actions doesn't mean they are a sock puppet. It is petty bullshit like this that ruins the forum.

Same here brother, lol this guy is on a mission !

I wonder why not all in here tag him as untrustworthy, as he didn't show us evidence, he just guess it by the commercials this coin made.

Because the trust system is worthless.  Only people who have trust themselves can change the score of anyone else.  It's not a democracy, it's a clique group of big headed egos.

idd

Ow my trust level is back at zero.
This was hard to do. Now I'm ready again to start pupetting. 
Good job of destroying that could be a good system on this forum ghibly79 !

I see your trust as -6

ghibly79  marked this account as well as untruthful, just by the evidence of the nickname, that's how he operates.

You totally got me with the double account Tekkerr ahah xD, must admit.
Well actually I should leave both your accounts tagged cause you are trying to abuse the trust system and then circumvent it, but I feel good and will remove it from the fake one with 3 "r"

Just quoting as evidence ... how you operate !

[hucker]

You totally got me with the double account Tekkerr ahah xD, must admit.
Well actually I should leave both your accounts tagged cause you are trying to abuse the trust system and then circumvent it, but I feel good and will remove it from the fake one with 3 "r"

The trust system is totally worthless, as 99% of us don't get a vote.

[ghibly79]

ghibly79  marked this account as well as untruthful, just by the evidence of the nickname, that's how he operates.

Wrong account! You got the troll attempt right, now don't do mistakes

[ghibly79]

You totally got me with the double account Tekkerr ahah xD, must admit.
Well actually I should leave both your accounts tagged cause you are trying to abuse the trust system and then circumvent it, but I feel good and will remove it from the fake one with 3 "r"

The trust system is totally worthless, as 99% of us don't get a vote.

You get but your vote is "worth less". And for good reason it seems, you are just clueless trolls with no trade history. It's far from perfect, I agree, but in this case it's working extremely well

[hucker]

You totally got me with the double account Tekkerr ahah xD, must admit.
Well actually I should leave both your accounts tagged cause you are trying to abuse the trust system and then circumvent it, but I feel good and will remove it from the fake one with 3 "r"

The trust system is totally worthless, as 99% of us don't get a vote.

You get but your vote is "worth less". And for good reason it seems, you are just clueless trolls with no trade history. It's far from perfect, I agree, but in this case it's working extremely well

My vote is worth nothing, it changes the score not one iota.
No trade history?  On here perhaps.
As for trolls, it's YOU that's the troll, and that's almost unanimous.

[ghibly79]

You totally got me with the double account Tekkerr ahah xD, must admit.
Well actually I should leave both your accounts tagged cause you are trying to abuse the trust system and then circumvent it, but I feel good and will remove it from the fake one with 3 "r"

The trust system is totally worthless, as 99% of us don't get a vote.

You get but your vote is "worth less". And for good reason it seems, you are just clueless trolls with no trade history. It's far from perfect, I agree, but in this case it's working extremely well

My vote is worth nothing, it changes the score not one iota.
No trade history?  On here perhaps.
As for trolls, it's YOU that's the troll, and that's almost unanimous.

Points of view. Let's agree to disagree and over then. Ignore my ratings and ignore me too if you want.
And yes, no trade history here. Makes sense: you are posting here, so your 200000 feedbacks on ebay or whatever don't count.

[Tekkerr]

You totally got me with the double account Tekkerr ahah xD, must admit.
Well actually I should leave both your accounts tagged cause you are trying to abuse the trust system and then circumvent it, but I feel good and will remove it from the fake one with 3 "r"

The trust system is totally worthless, as 99% of us don't get a vote.

You get but your vote is "worth less". And for good reason it seems, you are just clueless trolls with no trade history. It's far from perfect, I agree, but in this case it's working extremely well

No serious man I got a few idea's for ya.

• Get in touch with this Coinadmin (yes you, as you are attacking him) get an IRC channel (record it if you will, but say it first) tell him your concerns and let him explain this miss understanding.
• Gather real evidence, other then apples and oranges count ups, get real blockchain TXid's, get coin adresses, calculate on that other then apples. And provide us with real evidence
• Remove all those negative trust levels (I don't even care about mine) as for now you are just destroying the forums only real level of security. You really do miss use this system as you just marked him a criminal before given REAL evidence other then a calculation of apples.

Do you even consider that this guy made a very beautiful website, a whole trading system and that you just destroy'd this in a mouse click ?
The time this costed could be used to launch a legit coin, with a 1-2% prémine, succeed and made him more then this so called Ponzi ?
Or this admin is really dumb to try this Ponzi or he is legit, and untill then you should consider him as legit.
Now I've read your calculations a long time before and it is indeed a bit fishy, no disagreement there but how you handle it is utterly wrong !
Work of those 3 little points above and come back, but untill then you should revoke those trust levels, for your own good.

[ghibly79]

Won't be the first time someone make a good looking website and whatnot just to scam. Never underestimate people when (possibly big) money is involved. I've seen it countless times before.

I don't need to contact the dev, he has all the info and concerns written right here, over 2 threads (he knows perfectly, anyway xD).

Only way I MAY remove the warning is if he changes the description, making it clear that it's not true there always will be enough btc to buy back std at GER (cause that's false xD) and that you can lose money there.

I said "MAY" because that won't cancel the fact he tried to mask the whole thing while holding all the money at his private exchange. Shady as hell even if he corrects the description. But I'll think about it.
He can use an escrow maybe: you send btc to the escrow address and he releases STD. Then I'll definetly remove all.

As for your rating, already answered: remove your one, which is an abuse, and I'll remove mine.

[hucker]

And yes, no trade history here. Makes sense: you are posting here, so your 200000 feedbacks on ebay or whatever don't count.

And the people who trade elsewhere and discuss here have no say?  How pointless and stupid.  The name of the site is bitcoinTALK, not bitcoinTRADE.

[hucker]

No serious man I got a few idea's for ya.

• Get in touch with this Coinadmin (yes you, as you are attacking him) get an IRC channel (record it if you will, but say it first) tell him your concerns and let him explain this miss understanding.
• Gather real evidence, other then apples and oranges count ups, get real blockchain TXid's, get coin adresses, calculate on that other then apples. And provide us with real evidence
• Remove all those negative trust levels (I don't even care about mine) as for now you are just destroying the forums only real level of security. You really do miss use this system as you just marked him a criminal before given REAL evidence other then a calculation of apples.

Do you even consider that this guy made a very beautiful website, a whole trading system and that you just destroy'd this in a mouse click ?
The time this costed could be used to launch a legit coin, with a 1-2% prémine, succeed and made him more then this so called Ponzi ?
Or this admin is really dumb to try this Ponzi or he is legit, and untill then you should consider him as legit.
Now I've read your calculations a long time before and it is indeed a bit fishy, no disagreement there but how you handle it is utterly wrong !
Work of those 3 little points above and come back, but untill then you should revoke those trust levels, for your own good.

Agreed.  Ghibly's actions amount to criminal damage.

[Tekkerr]

Won't be the first time someone make a good looking website and whatnot just to scam. Never underestimate people when (possibly big) money is involved. I've seen it countless times before.

I don't need to contact the dev, he has all the info and concerns written right here, over 2 threads (he knows perfectly, anyway xD).

Only way I MAY remove the warning is if he changes the description, making it clear that it's not true there always will be enough btc to buy back std at GER (cause that's false xD) and that you can lose money there.

I said "MAY" because that won't cancel the fact he tried to mask the whole thing while holding all the money at his private exchange. Shady as hell even if he corrects the description. But I'll think about it.
He can use an escrow maybe: you send btc to the escrow address and he releases STD. Then I'll definetly remove all.

As for your rating, already answered: remove your one, which is an abuse, and I'll remove mine.

So you completely ignore the statement I asked you to make real evidence ... other then some writings on his website are not to your liking.
I do agree he can make it into an escrow for his users safety and his legit.
But this does not make it into a Ponzi, as then every other escrow is a Ponzi in your eyes, so you are still not entitled to destroy his work.
You can warn people but not the way you did !
And no I won't remove my trust in you as you marked a forum user as untrusty without giving any evidence and/or proof that counts other then a small apples count. I don't even care about my own, because I won't normally use this forum ever again, besides just for some info I need. So thank you, you didn't only do it all wrong you shoo thrust full people away from here.

[ghibly79]

And yes, no trade history here. Makes sense: you are posting here, so your 200000 feedbacks on ebay or whatever don't count.

And the people who trade elsewhere and discuss here have no say?  How pointless and stupid.  The name of the site is bitcoinTALK, not bitcoinTRADE.

Yes, if not everyone can open 200 fake accounts and destroy ratings just for fun. Not perfect as I said, but not without sense either.

[ghibly79]

Won't be the first time someone make a good looking website and whatnot just to scam. Never underestimate people when (possibly big) money is involved. I've seen it countless times before.

I don't need to contact the dev, he has all the info and concerns written right here, over 2 threads (he knows perfectly, anyway xD).

Only way I MAY remove the warning is if he changes the description, making it clear that it's not true there always will be enough btc to buy back std at GER (cause that's false xD) and that you can lose money there.

I said "MAY" because that won't cancel the fact he tried to mask the whole thing while holding all the money at his private exchange. Shady as hell even if he corrects the description. But I'll think about it.
He can use an escrow maybe: you send btc to the escrow address and he releases STD. Then I'll definetly remove all.

As for your rating, already answered: remove your one, which is an abuse, and I'll remove mine.

So you completely ignore the statement I asked you to make real evidence ... other then some writings on his website are not to your liking.
I do agree he can make it into an escrow for his users safety and his legit.
But this does not make it into a Ponzi, so you are still not entitled to destroy his work.
You can warn people but not the way you did !
And no I won't remove my trust in you as you marked a forum user as untrusty without giving any evidence and/or proof that counts other then a small apples count. I don't even care about my own, because I won't normally use this forum ever again, besides just for some info I need. So thank you, you didn't only do it all wrong you shoo thrust full people away from here.

The fraudulent statement IS the evidence. More than enough. Lying to investors to lure money in, expecially when you are going to hold all of that means a big red tag in my books. You disagree. Ok. Not going to torture you, I assure

[hucker]

And yes, no trade history here. Makes sense: you are posting here, so your 200000 feedbacks on ebay or whatever don't count.

And the people who trade elsewhere and discuss here have no say?  How pointless and stupid.  The name of the site is bitcoinTALK, not bitcoinTRADE.

Yes, if not everyone can open 200 fake accounts and destroy ratings just for fun. Not perfect as I said, but not without sense either.

Surely the way is to prevent fake accounts?  Duh!

And it's utterly useless, it might as well not be here.  Especially when people like you abuse the system.  You should only have given the dev a negative if you had traded with him and lost money.  End of story.

[hucker]

Won't be the first time someone make a good looking website and whatnot just to scam. Never underestimate people when (possibly big) money is involved. I've seen it countless times before.

I don't need to contact the dev, he has all the info and concerns written right here, over 2 threads (he knows perfectly, anyway xD).

Only way I MAY remove the warning is if he changes the description, making it clear that it's not true there always will be enough btc to buy back std at GER (cause that's false xD) and that you can lose money there.

I said "MAY" because that won't cancel the fact he tried to mask the whole thing while holding all the money at his private exchange. Shady as hell even if he corrects the description. But I'll think about it.
He can use an escrow maybe: you send btc to the escrow address and he releases STD. Then I'll definetly remove all.

As for your rating, already answered: remove your one, which is an abuse, and I'll remove mine.

So you completely ignore the statement I asked you to make real evidence ... other then some writings on his website are not to your liking.
I do agree he can make it into an escrow for his users safety and his legit.
But this does not make it into a Ponzi, so you are still not entitled to destroy his work.
You can warn people but not the way you did !
And no I won't remove my trust in you as you marked a forum user as untrusty without giving any evidence and/or proof that counts other then a small apples count. I don't even care about my own, because I won't normally use this forum ever again, besides just for some info I need. So thank you, you didn't only do it all wrong you shoo thrust full people away from here.

The fraudulent statement IS the evidence. More than enough. Lying to investors to lure money in, expecially when you are going to hold all of that means a big red tag in my books. You disagree. Ok. Not going to torture you, I assure

A red *flag* maybe, but not enough reason to mark him as untrustworthy.  In a court of law, you are not given a criminal record unless the case is PROVEN.

[Tekkerr]

You are hopeless, and not worth more of my time:
I feel bad for people who invested in this and the owner if it turns out it all is legit.
I really feel bad for all of them, as 1 person can just destroy all this with a mouse click and a big ego.
Just because he did his trading here on a forum while others did a whole lot more trustful trading elsewhere.
Kinda feel more and more ashamed to be part of this BTC community latly as it's filled with trolls and unhealthy amounts of ego who can't understand they should provide evidence before making accusations.


Bye *wave*

[Tekkerr]

You should only have given the dev a negative if you had traded with him and lost money.  End of story.

That is my exact same thought, and the only way he should've done it or proven by others or TXid or blockchain addresses or what ever, it's an open chain and still he can't proof anything !

[ghibly79]

I will fell bad if more people burn into a scam, on the other hand, so it's staying Unless the lie is removed.

Let's just stop, I read your concerns but I'm not convinced, pointless to go on.

[ghibly79]

And it's utterly useless, it might as well not be here.  Especially when people like you abuse the system.  You should only have given the dev a negative if you had traded with him and lost money.  End of story.

THEN it will be trutly useless Since the point is this is a scheme where someone will mathematically lose money while dev is stating the opposite. Trading with him is not related to the issue. He can even just make some fair trades AND try to run a ponzi. That will still make him a scammer.

Let's just stop, I read your concerns but I'm not convinced, pointless to go on.

[hucker]

I will fell bad if more people burn into a scam, on the other hand, so it's staying Unless the lie is removed.

Let's just stop, I read your concerns but I'm not convinced, pointless to go on.

If I was the dev I would seriously take you to court for libel.  You are a despicable excuse for a human being.

In the interests of reducing this flame war to nothing, I am placing you on ignore.  If we all do the same ghibly will get bored and go do something less damaging.  If the dev is reading, take him to court.

[ghibly79]

I will fell bad if more people burn into a scam, on the other hand, so it's staying Unless the lie is removed.

Let's just stop, I read your concerns but I'm not convinced, pointless to go on.

If I was the dev I would seriously take you to court for libel.  You are a despicable excuse for a human being.

In the interests of reducing this flame war to nothing, I am placing you on ignore.  If we all do the same ghibly will get bored and go do something less damaging.  If the dev is reading, take him to court.

He will have much more to lose than to gain cause a court won't be composed of some naive newbies. And he probably knows xD
Wb to the real world.

Good, put me on ignore. At long last.

[Kay0r]

Guys, you're all cute and i can climb your e-peen and find myself to the moon.
Can we can get back on topic plz?

[ghibly79]

Guys, you're all cute and i can climb your e-peen and find myself to the moon.
Can we can get back on topic plz?

Nice one hahaahhahhhaha

Ok ok, back on topic:

It's a ponzi scheme stay away xD

[Kay0r]

It's a ponzi scheme stay away xD

Noted.
Thank you for your opinion.

[Rainer4256]

Guys, you're all cute and i can climb your e-peen and find myself to the moon.
Can we can get back on topic plz?

Nice one hahaahhahhhaha

Ok ok, back on topic:

It's a ponzi scheme stay away xD

Yawn ...

[sameev29]

Will Standard coin ever hit exchanges?If not very very few people will trade it through the built in exchange.

If the rate is so permanently rising why isnt the developer trying to get it added to exchanges?

[nbphuoc]

Will Standard coin ever hit exchanges?If not very very few people will trade it through the built in exchange.

If the rate is so permanently rising why isnt the developer trying to get it added to exchanges?

It's on an exchange already:
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-STD

[sameev29]

Will Standard coin ever hit exchanges?If not very very few people will trade it through the built in exchange.

If the rate is so permanently rising why isnt the developer trying to get it added to exchanges?

It's on an exchange already:
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-STD

Why isnt anyone trading?

Also why no news from dev and whats up with his negative ratings?

[hucker]

Why isnt anyone trading?

Probably because there's like 200 coins to choose from, it's ridiculous.

Also why no news from dev and whats up with his negative ratings?

Because a moron called ghibly keeps making up libellous stories about him.

[ghibly79]

Will Standard coin ever hit exchanges?If not very very few people will trade it through the built in exchange.

If the rate is so permanently rising why isnt the developer trying to get it added to exchanges?

It's on an exchange already:
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-STD

Why isnt anyone trading?

Also why no news from dev and whats up with his negative ratings?

Cause it's scam.

[SweetLou]

You totally got me with the double account Tekkerr ahah xD, must admit.
Well actually I should leave both your accounts tagged cause you are trying to abuse the trust system and then circumvent it, but I feel good and will remove it from the fake one with 3 "r"

The trust system is totally worthless, as 99% of us don't get a vote.

You get but your vote is "worth less". And for good reason it seems, you are just clueless trolls with no trade history. It's far from perfect, I agree, but in this case it's working extremely well

why must someone trade something in order to be deemed trustworthy? so buying your trust from someone is an ok thing? seems like a shady system all around.

The way I see it as long as someone has been with the forum long enough and is active they should have some say in it. how does one become trusted in the first place? from what I have seen you could have 50+ positive feedbacks from people and unless any of them are from someone already listed as a positive trust it makes no difference.

bringing up the argument at one point no one was trusted. so how does someone become trusted to begin with to entrust others. kinda like what came first the chicken or the egg... my brain is starting to hurt just thinking about it.

[SweetLou]

Won't be the first time someone make a good looking website and whatnot just to scam. Never underestimate people when (possibly big) money is involved. I've seen it countless times before.

I don't need to contact the dev, he has all the info and concerns written right here, over 2 threads (he knows perfectly, anyway xD).

Only way I MAY remove the warning is if he changes the description, making it clear that it's not true there always will be enough btc to buy back std at GER (cause that's false xD) and that you can lose money there.

I said "MAY" because that won't cancel the fact he tried to mask the whole thing while holding all the money at his private exchange. Shady as hell even if he corrects the description. But I'll think about it.
He can use an escrow maybe: you send btc to the escrow address and he releases STD. Then I'll definetly remove all.

As for your rating, already answered: remove your one, which is an abuse, and I'll remove mine.

So you completely ignore the statement I asked you to make real evidence ... other then some writings on his website are not to your liking.
I do agree he can make it into an escrow for his users safety and his legit.
But this does not make it into a Ponzi, so you are still not entitled to destroy his work.
You can warn people but not the way you did !
And no I won't remove my trust in you as you marked a forum user as untrusty without giving any evidence and/or proof that counts other then a small apples count. I don't even care about my own, because I won't normally use this forum ever again, besides just for some info I need. So thank you, you didn't only do it all wrong you shoo thrust full people away from here.

The fraudulent statement IS the evidence. More than enough. Lying to investors to lure money in, expecially when you are going to hold all of that means a big red tag in my books. You disagree. Ok. Not going to torture you, I assure

do us all a favor and tell us exactly what he lied about? from what I see everything that is listed in the OP has been true. If you are claiming he is lying about something please quote what his lie is.

[sameev29]

Mining4all pool isnt paying out.Dev contact the pool owner please,there are 12 workers there.

Which pool is currently paying out and working fine?

[ghibly79]

do us all a favor and tell us exactly what he lied about? from what I see everything that is listed in the OP has been true. If you are claiming he is lying about something please quote what his lie is.

No I'm more than done with this. It's all written (over and over and over) in my many replies already. If you don't want to read I cba answering you either. If you read and still can't figure out, fine, just ignore my comments and my ratings.

I'm a well established trader, I held (a lot of) people's money over hundreds of transactions, escrowed some more, and the like. Shown some good experience and insight to mods. For nearly a year. No you don't just come here and do a couple of trades for $10 and become trusted, neither you bribe mods for it.

As I said before: the system is far from perfect but not total shit like you want to believe cause it's not swinging your way this time.

Best of luck on the forum (you'll need with this level of naivety of yours).

[doxymoron]

do us all a favor and tell us exactly what he lied about? from what I see everything that is listed in the OP has been true. If you are claiming he is lying about something please quote what his lie is.

No I'm more than done with this. It's all written (over and over and over) in my many replies already. If you don't want to read I cba answering you either. If you read and still can't figure out, fine, just ignore my comments and my ratings.

I'm a well established trader, I held (a lot of) people's money over hundreds of transactions, escrowed some more, and the like. Shown some good experience and insight to mods. For nearly a year. No you don't just come here and do a couple of trades for $10 and become trusted, neither you bribe mods for it.

As I said before: the system is far from perfect but not total shit like you want to believe cause it's not swinging your way this time.

Best of luck on the forum (you'll need with this level of naivety of yours).

So you are promising to not post here again correct?  Actually, if you truly are done then you won't even reply to this.  We can hope.

[Rainer4256]

do us all a favor and tell us exactly what he lied about? from what I see everything that is listed in the OP has been true. If you are claiming he is lying about something please quote what his lie is.

No I'm more than done with this. It's all written (over and over and over) in my many replies already. If you don't want to read I cba answering you either. If you read and still can't figure out, fine, just ignore my comments and my ratings.

I'm a well established trader, I held (a lot of) people's money over hundreds of transactions, escrowed some more, and the like. Shown some good experience and insight to mods. For nearly a year. No you don't just come here and do a couple of trades for $10 and become trusted, neither you bribe mods for it.

As I said before: the system is far from perfect but not total shit like you want to believe cause it's not swinging your way this time.

Best of luck on the forum (you'll need with this level of naivety of yours).

So you are promising to not post here again correct?  Actually, if you truly are done then you won't even reply to this.  We can hope.

+1

[trdiablo]

do us all a favor and tell us exactly what he lied about? from what I see everything that is listed in the OP has been true. If you are claiming he is lying about something please quote what his lie is.

No I'm more than done with this. It's all written (over and over and over) in my many replies already. If you don't want to read I cba answering you either. If you read and still can't figure out, fine, just ignore my comments and my ratings.

I'm a well established trader, I held (a lot of) people's money over hundreds of transactions, escrowed some more, and the like. Shown some good experience and insight to mods. For nearly a year. No you don't just come here and do a couple of trades for $10 and become trusted, neither you bribe mods for it.

As I said before: the system is far from perfect but not total shit like you want to believe cause it's not swinging your way this time.

Best of luck on the forum (you'll need with this level of naivety of yours).

Shitly is retarded and he will come back. Thanks to this moron the DEV might actually do a run with the BTC as he is now already tagged as scammer, nothing to lose. Then retarded shitly will tell us how smart he is and tried to warn us.

[Rainer4256]

Shitly is retarded and he will come back. Thanks to this moron the DEV might actually do a run with the BTC as he is now already tagged as scammer, nothing to lose. Then retarded shitly will tell us how smart he is and tried to warn us.

Agreed. But I think the dev is honest and is currently working on his mining pool.

[SweetLou]

do us all a favor and tell us exactly what he lied about? from what I see everything that is listed in the OP has been true. If you are claiming he is lying about something please quote what his lie is.

No I'm more than done with this. It's all written (over and over and over) in my many replies already. If you don't want to read I cba answering you either. If you read and still can't figure out, fine, just ignore my comments and my ratings.

I'm a well established trader, I held (a lot of) people's money over hundreds of transactions, escrowed some more, and the like. Shown some good experience and insight to mods. For nearly a year. No you don't just come here and do a couple of trades for $10 and become trusted, neither you bribe mods for it.

As I said before: the system is far from perfect but not total shit like you want to believe cause it's not swinging your way this time.

Best of luck on the forum (you'll need with this level of naivety of yours).

i have read the whole thread and you never once stated exactly what was a lie. you can speculate all you want but you have never pointed out exact verbiage posted that was not true. This has been my argument from the start and will continue to be my argument. and marking someone as running a ponzi is unjust when your claim dev is lying has never been proven. we can go back and forth with this all day long to all comes back to you being wrong for your actions. maybe posting a warning in the thread is acceptable but posting negative trust is overboard for this case.

[sameev29]

Is anyone investing in standard coin now a days?

[trdiablo]

The GER is 4 satoshi but at Bittrex the value is at 7 satoshi so that is good news.

[Kreativekrypto]

Is anyone investing in standard coin now a days?

I think everyone was chased off at this point. It's too bad.

[nbphuoc]

Since the price GER won't drop. There is no reason for selling.

[sameev29]

Since the price GER won't drop. There is no reason for selling.

Where is the dev to keep us updated about this venture.

[jomay]

I feel bad for people who invested in this and the owner if it turns out it all is legit.
I really feel bad for all of them, as 1 person can just destroy all this with a mouse click and a big ego.
Just because he did his trading here on a forum while others did a whole lot more trustful trading elsewhere.
Kinda feel more and more ashamed to be part of this BTC community latly and consider I should just better quit as it's filled with trolls and unhealthy amounts of ego who can't understand they should provide evidence before making accusations.

Very good description of ghastly ghibly. He must get some sick sense of pleasure "dominating" people on this forum with his stinky trust he got somehow. His life outside this forum must suck or be non-existent.

He also serves as a perfect warning sign not to trust people because they have 350 posts - posts devoid of relevant information and incredibly repetitive.

It's annoying that he did not (and probably still does not) understand the system, but still feels entitled to comment repetitively... worse than a bad politician.

[trdiablo]

Best we can do is move and stop talking about that idiot. Lets start promoting this coin!

DEV, let me know what I can do to help you!

[sameev29]

Best we can do is move and stop talking about that idiot. Lets start promoting this coin!

DEV, let me know what I can do to help you!

I agree.Whats the bugging with one person when coin should be the main focus.

[hucker]

Best we can do is move and stop talking about that idiot. Lets start promoting this coin!

DEV, let me know what I can do to help you!

+1

[ghibly79]

I feel bad for people who invested in this and the owner if it turns out it all is legit.
I really feel bad for all of them, as 1 person can just destroy all this with a mouse click and a big ego.
Just because he did his trading here on a forum while others did a whole lot more trustful trading elsewhere.
Kinda feel more and more ashamed to be part of this BTC community latly and consider I should just better quit as it's filled with trolls and unhealthy amounts of ego who can't understand they should provide evidence before making accusations.

Very good description of ghastly ghibly. He must get some sick sense of pleasure "dominating" people on this forum with his stinky trust he got somehow. His life outside this forum must suck or be non-existent.

He also serves as a perfect warning sign not to trust people because they have 350 posts - posts devoid of relevant information and incredibly repetitive.

It's annoying that he did not (and probably still does not) understand the system, but still feels entitled to comment repetitively... worse than a bad politician.

Talking to yourself? All you did was attacking me on details over and over without denting the main point one bit. Was thinking you were genuine (maybe a bit of a detail obsessed nerd) at some point but you are turning out to be just another one of these trolls.

That's fine though, one less person to care replying to in the future.

Side note: it's not one person "destroying trust". Some 4 - 5 users dismissed this as a scam, including Tomatocage who is pretty experienced around there, more than me, and some other sr./hero members.
If someone has to stop and reflect that's maybe you.
You'll grow some experience eventually, don't worry. "That's how we learn!" cit.

P.s.: @Tekkerr, quitting may be wise, since you'll end up scammed here most likely anyway

[lucienlu]

It is not difficult. Just click on the word "trust" below username TheRealStandard.
On this trust page scroll down, enter the risked amount of BTC, enter your comment and click submit.
That is all.

[ghibly79]

Is anyone investing in standard coin now a days?

I think everyone was chased off at this point. It's too bad.

Now this is weird, I though it was me who can't understand the system and the only one "crying" there, ranting and whatnot, while everybody else can see the light and the legitness of this coin.
Weird weird werd! I'm so totally surprised.

[hucker]

It is not difficult. Just click on the word "trust" below username TheRealStandard.
On this trust page scroll down, enter the risked amount of BTC, enter your comment and click submit.
That is all.

Not possible unless you have trust yourself.  Which is why ghibly has the only vote.  What a screwed up system.

[trdiablo]

Is anyone investing in standard coin now a days?

I think everyone was chased off at this point. It's too bad.

Now this is weird, I though it was me who can't understand the system and the only one "crying" there, ranting and whatnot, while everybody else can see the light and the legitness of this coin.
Weird weird werd! I'm so totally surprised.

lol, exactly as I predicted few pages back. ghibly gives this guy negative trust for no reason at all, DEV has big red warning sings under his name, newcomers that come to the thread see that DEV has negative trust, they don't check details to see it is only because of one person. Then few days later ghibly comes back here to say he was right all the time because everyone stopped investing in the coin!
Yes, I am totally surprised also ghibly! Man, you must be so much fun at parties and have so many friends.

But to give you a serious answer Ghibly, read on. Italian is your native language, but your english is quite good so i am assuming you are an educated person that has a good job. So let's have a serious discussion instead of trolling. You are blaming DEV of running Ponzi scheme, right? Now let us look at the definition of Ponzi scheme.

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator. Operators of Ponzi schemes usually entice new investors by offering higher returns than other investments in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the high returns requires an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme

DEV is not paying us from capital gained by new investors and DEV is also not the only place where we can get trade STD as on Bittrex I can trade my coins for BTC.
DEV did not promise any short-term returns, in fact on his homepage he is talking about years before we have profit
STD also doesn't need an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme. First round 16 BTC was invested, second round it could be that only 8 BTC is invested and third round only 4 BTC.

And most importantly, DEV could have just collected IPO money and ran away, he didnt and paid us the STD coins.
So DEV and STD do not comply to any of the main features that a Ponzi scheme has. Also atm your negative trust is not hurting the DEV, in fact one could think you are DEVs sockpuppet as you are now helping the DEV to dissappear with all the BTC. As he is tagged as scammer already he has nothing to lose.

So just be reasonable here, give this guy a chance and if he makes one mistake then leave a negative trust.
thanks!

[SweetLou]

Is anyone investing in standard coin now a days?

I think everyone was chased off at this point. It's too bad.

Now this is weird, I though it was me who can't understand the system and the only one "crying" there, ranting and whatnot, while everybody else can see the light and the legitness of this coin.
Weird weird werd! I'm so totally surprised.

lol, exactly as I predicted few pages back. ghibly gives this guy negative trust for no reason at all, DEV has big red warning sings under his name, newcomers that come to the thread see that DEV has negative trust, they don't check details to see it is only because of one person. Then few days later ghibly comes back here to say he was right all the time because everyone stopped investing in the coin!
Yes, I am totally surprised also ghibly! Man, you must be so much fun at parties and have so many friends.

But to give you a serious answer Ghibly, read on. Italian is your native language, but your english is quite good so i am assuming you are an educated person that has a good job. So let's have a serious discussion instead of trolling. You are blaming DEV of running Ponzi scheme, right? Now let us look at the definition of Ponzi scheme.

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator. Operators of Ponzi schemes usually entice new investors by offering higher returns than other investments in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the high returns requires an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme

DEV is not paying us from capital gained by new investors and DEV is also not the only place where we can get trade STD as on Bittrex I can trade my coins for BTC.
DEV did not promise any short-term returns, in fact on his homepage he is talking about years before we have profit
STD also doesn't need an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme. First round 16 BTC was invested, second round it could be that only 8 BTC is invested and third round only 4 BTC.

And most importantly, DEV could have just collected IPO money and ran away, he didnt and paid us the STD coins.
So DEV and STD do not comply to any of the main features that a Ponzi scheme has. Also atm your negative trust is not hurting the DEV, in fact one could think you are DEVs sockpuppet as you are now helping the DEV to dissappear with all the BTC. As he is tagged as scammer already he has nothing to lose.

So just be reasonable here, give this guy a chance and if he makes one mistake then leave a negative trust.
thanks!

+1

[Rainer4256]

Is anyone investing in standard coin now a days?

I think everyone was chased off at this point. It's too bad.

Now this is weird, I though it was me who can't understand the system and the only one "crying" there, ranting and whatnot, while everybody else can see the light and the legitness of this coin.
Weird weird werd! I'm so totally surprised.

lol, exactly as I predicted few pages back. ghibly gives this guy negative trust for no reason at all, DEV has big red warning sings under his name, newcomers that come to the thread see that DEV has negative trust, they don't check details to see it is only because of one person. Then few days later ghibly comes back here to say he was right all the time because everyone stopped investing in the coin!
Yes, I am totally surprised also ghibly! Man, you must be so much fun at parties and have so many friends.

But to give you a serious answer Ghibly, read on. Italian is your native language, but your english is quite good so i am assuming you are an educated person that has a good job. So let's have a serious discussion instead of trolling. You are blaming DEV of running Ponzi scheme, right? Now let us look at the definition of Ponzi scheme.

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator. Operators of Ponzi schemes usually entice new investors by offering higher returns than other investments in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the high returns requires an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme

DEV is not paying us from capital gained by new investors and DEV is also not the only place where we can get trade STD as on Bittrex I can trade my coins for BTC.
DEV did not promise any short-term returns, in fact on his homepage he is talking about years before we have profit
STD also doesn't need an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme. First round 16 BTC was invested, second round it could be that only 8 BTC is invested and third round only 4 BTC.

And most importantly, DEV could have just collected IPO money and ran away, he didnt and paid us the STD coins.
So DEV and STD do not comply to any of the main features that a Ponzi scheme has. Also atm your negative trust is not hurting the DEV, in fact one could think you are DEVs sockpuppet as you are now helping the DEV to dissappear with all the BTC. As he is tagged as scammer already he has nothing to lose.

So just be reasonable here, give this guy a chance and if he makes one mistake then leave a negative trust.
thanks!

So right!
But let me add another point: You didn't only accuse the dev of running a Ponzi scheme, you also disturb the development of this coin and harm the investors. There's no evidence of a fraudulent system so far.

[hucker]

Is anyone investing in standard coin now a days?

I think everyone was chased off at this point. It's too bad.

Now this is weird, I though it was me who can't understand the system and the only one "crying" there, ranting and whatnot, while everybody else can see the light and the legitness of this coin.
Weird weird werd! I'm so totally surprised.

lol, exactly as I predicted few pages back. ghibly gives this guy negative trust for no reason at all, DEV has big red warning sings under his name, newcomers that come to the thread see that DEV has negative trust, they don't check details to see it is only because of one person. Then few days later ghibly comes back here to say he was right all the time because everyone stopped investing in the coin!
Yes, I am totally surprised also ghibly! Man, you must be so much fun at parties and have so many friends.

But to give you a serious answer Ghibly, read on. Italian is your native language, but your english is quite good so i am assuming you are an educated person that has a good job. So let's have a serious discussion instead of trolling. You are blaming DEV of running Ponzi scheme, right? Now let us look at the definition of Ponzi scheme.

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator. Operators of Ponzi schemes usually entice new investors by offering higher returns than other investments in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the high returns requires an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme

DEV is not paying us from capital gained by new investors and DEV is also not the only place where we can get trade STD as on Bittrex I can trade my coins for BTC.
DEV did not promise any short-term returns, in fact on his homepage he is talking about years before we have profit
STD also doesn't need an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme. First round 16 BTC was invested, second round it could be that only 8 BTC is invested and third round only 4 BTC.

And most importantly, DEV could have just collected IPO money and ran away, he didnt and paid us the STD coins.
So DEV and STD do not comply to any of the main features that a Ponzi scheme has. Also atm your negative trust is not hurting the DEV, in fact one could think you are DEVs sockpuppet as you are now helping the DEV to dissappear with all the BTC. As he is tagged as scammer already he has nothing to lose.

So just be reasonable here, give this guy a chance and if he makes one mistake then leave a negative trust.
thanks!

So right!
But let me add another point: You didn't only accuse the dev of running a Ponzi scheme, you also disturb the development of this coin and harm the investors. There's no evidence of a fraudulent system so far.

Destroying the coin by negative postings and abusing the feedback system is fraudulent.  You're not meant to give negative feedback unless you have TRADED with the other person and LOST COINS.  What we need is an admin to delete all of ghibly's posts.

[SweetLou]

he also said he wasn't coming back and yet he did.

[Rainer4256]

he also said he wasn't coming back and yet he did.

I never trusted him! 

[ghibly79]

Is anyone investing in standard coin now a days?

I think everyone was chased off at this point. It's too bad.

Now this is weird, I though it was me who can't understand the system and the only one "crying" there, ranting and whatnot, while everybody else can see the light and the legitness of this coin.
Weird weird werd! I'm so totally surprised.

lol, exactly as I predicted few pages back. ghibly gives this guy negative trust for no reason at all, DEV has big red warning sings under his name, newcomers that come to the thread see that DEV has negative trust, they don't check details to see it is only because of one person. Then few days later ghibly comes back here to say he was right all the time because everyone stopped investing in the coin!
Yes, I am totally surprised also ghibly! Man, you must be so much fun at parties and have so many friends.

But to give you a serious answer Ghibly, read on. Italian is your native language, but your english is quite good so i am assuming you are an educated person that has a good job. So let's have a serious discussion instead of trolling. You are blaming DEV of running Ponzi scheme, right? Now let us look at the definition of Ponzi scheme.

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator. Operators of Ponzi schemes usually entice new investors by offering higher returns than other investments in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the high returns requires an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme

DEV is not paying us from capital gained by new investors and DEV is also not the only place where we can get trade STD as on Bittrex I can trade my coins for BTC.
DEV did not promise any short-term returns, in fact on his homepage he is talking about years before we have profit
STD also doesn't need an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme. First round 16 BTC was invested, second round it could be that only 8 BTC is invested and third round only 4 BTC.

And most importantly, DEV could have just collected IPO money and ran away, he didnt and paid us the STD coins.
So DEV and STD do not comply to any of the main features that a Ponzi scheme has. Also atm your negative trust is not hurting the DEV, in fact one could think you are DEVs sockpuppet as you are now helping the DEV to dissappear with all the BTC. As he is tagged as scammer already he has nothing to lose.

So just be reasonable here, give this guy a chance and if he makes one mistake then leave a negative trust.
thanks!

Short answer (for the long one, read my previous replies): he's not paying you returns directly now, he'll be using new investors' money to pay returns to whoever sells back first once value rises (if he does not run away with the money immediately ofc, which I doubt he'll do anyway, as already explained). There won't be enough btc to buy back all std at ger like he states (lie, to answer SweetLou). He'll need a constant flow of new investments to do that. So yes it IS a ponzi. Ofc he tried to mud things a bit (and it was effective it seems, on some of you). Ever increasing investment or not is a detail (depends on how rapidly people will be selling back).

Heck you don't even need to do the math, just use some logic: if you took X amount of btc during a period of time (this includes old and new investors. Just all the btc coming in, any source) and gave something in return (STD in this case), how can you pay back MORE btc when what you gave increased its value (since it CANNOT DROP by design) and people sell back all of it?

Yes you can buy/sell at an exchange but there the price can drop: you'll be using a coin conceived as a scam as a normal coin (will be just another clone scrypt with nothing else). You will be just circumventing his scam (as long as the price is higher than ger there), not canceling out the scam attempt.

He could have ran away already but that is not necessary to be a scammer, what he did is enough. Running away would be aggravating (I already said this in anothre reply too). Actually is counterproductive to run away from the start with this kind of scheme. He can wait and see if investors will send him more btc, maybe pay back some to keep the thing going and running away when he has enough (again, this is not necessary for the tag, running the ponzi itself is).

Anyway I already said all these things in other replies. It's not that I'm not reasonable, I just got tired of repeating over and over.

[trdiablo]

Is anyone investing in standard coin now a days?

I think everyone was chased off at this point. It's too bad.

Now this is weird, I though it was me who can't understand the system and the only one "crying" there, ranting and whatnot, while everybody else can see the light and the legitness of this coin.
Weird weird werd! I'm so totally surprised.

lol, exactly as I predicted few pages back. ghibly gives this guy negative trust for no reason at all, DEV has big red warning sings under his name, newcomers that come to the thread see that DEV has negative trust, they don't check details to see it is only because of one person. Then few days later ghibly comes back here to say he was right all the time because everyone stopped investing in the coin!
Yes, I am totally surprised also ghibly! Man, you must be so much fun at parties and have so many friends.

But to give you a serious answer Ghibly, read on. Italian is your native language, but your english is quite good so i am assuming you are an educated person that has a good job. So let's have a serious discussion instead of trolling. You are blaming DEV of running Ponzi scheme, right? Now let us look at the definition of Ponzi scheme.

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator. Operators of Ponzi schemes usually entice new investors by offering higher returns than other investments in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the high returns requires an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme

DEV is not paying us from capital gained by new investors and DEV is also not the only place where we can get trade STD as on Bittrex I can trade my coins for BTC.
DEV did not promise any short-term returns, in fact on his homepage he is talking about years before we have profit
STD also doesn't need an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to sustain the scheme. First round 16 BTC was invested, second round it could be that only 8 BTC is invested and third round only 4 BTC.

And most importantly, DEV could have just collected IPO money and ran away, he didnt and paid us the STD coins.
So DEV and STD do not comply to any of the main features that a Ponzi scheme has. Also atm your negative trust is not hurting the DEV, in fact one could think you are DEVs sockpuppet as you are now helping the DEV to dissappear with all the BTC. As he is tagged as scammer already he has nothing to lose.

So just be reasonable here, give this guy a chance and if he makes one mistake then leave a negative trust.
thanks!

Short answer (for the long one, read my previous replies): he's not paying you returns directly now, he'll be using new investors' money to pay returns to whoever sells back first once value rises (if he does not run away with the money immediately ofc, which I doubt he'll do anyway, as already explained). There won't be enough btc to buy back all std at ger like he states (lie, to answer SweetLou). He'll need a constant flow of new investments to do that. So yes it IS a ponzi. Ofc he tried to mud things a bit (and it was effective it seems, on some of you). Ever increasing investment or not is a detail (depends on how rapidly people will be selling back).

Heck you don't even need to do the math, just use some logic: if you took X amount of btc during a period of time (this includes old and new investors. Just all the btc coming in, any source) and gave something in return (STD in this case), how can you pay back MORE btc when what you gave increased its value (since it CANNOT DROP by design) and people sell back all of it?

Yes you can buy/sell at an exchange but there the price can drop: you'll be using a coin conceived as a scam as a normal coin (will be just another clone scrypt with nothing else). You will be just circumventing his scam (as long as the price is higher than ger there), not canceling out the scam attempt.

He could have ran away already but that is not necessary to be a scammer, what he did is enough. Running away would be aggravating (I already said this in anothre reply too). Actually is counterproductive to run away from the start with this kind of scheme. He can wait and see if investors will send him more btc, maybe pay back some to keep the thing going and running away when he has enough (again, this is not necessary for the tag, running the ponzi itself is).

Anyway I already said all these things in other replies. It's not that I'm not reasonable, I just got tired of repeating over and over.

So short summary of your not so short answer, you are using words that clearly describe your worries and not facts.
"He is not, If he does, he will be, there won't be" - So you are just guessing what he will or will not do.

You completely ignore the fact that it does not share any features of a ponzi scheme (or you don't understand it) but you defend that by saying "he tries to mud things a bit". Sure man.

Anyway, I am done with discussing this with you. If DEV flees I will hold you personally responsible for it.

[hucker]

So short summary of your not so short answer, you are using words that clearly describe your worries and not facts.
"He is not, If he does, he will be, there won't be" - So you are just guessing what he will or will not do.

You completely ignore the fact that it does not share any features of a ponzi scheme (or you don't understand it) but you defend that by saying "he tries to mud things a bit". Sure man.

Anyway, I am done with discussing this with you. If DEV flees I will hold you personally responsible for it.

+1

[ghibly79]

K.

[jomay]

I feel bad for people who invested in this and the owner if it turns out it all is legit.
I really feel bad for all of them, as 1 person can just destroy all this with a mouse click and a big ego.
Just because he did his trading here on a forum while others did a whole lot more trustful trading elsewhere.
Kinda feel more and more ashamed to be part of this BTC community latly and consider I should just better quit as it's filled with trolls and unhealthy amounts of ego who can't understand they should provide evidence before making accusations.

Very good description of ghastly ghibly. He must get some sick sense of pleasure "dominating" people on this forum with his stinky trust he got somehow. His life outside this forum must suck or be non-existent.

He also serves as a perfect warning sign not to trust people because they have 350 posts - posts devoid of relevant information and incredibly repetitive.

It's annoying that he did not (and probably still does not) understand the system, but still feels entitled to comment repetitively... worse than a bad politician.

Talking to yourself? All you did was attacking me on details over and over without denting the main point one bit. Was thinking you were genuine (maybe a bit of a detail obsessed nerd) at some point but you are turning out to be just another one of these trolls.

That's fine though, one less person to care replying to in the future.

Side note: it's not one person "destroying trust". Some 4 - 5 users dismissed this as a scam, including Tomatocage who is pretty experienced around there, more than me, and some other sr./hero members.
If someone has to stop and reflect that's maybe you.
You'll grow some experience eventually, don't worry. "That's how we learn!" cit.

P.s.: @Tekkerr, quitting may be wise, since you'll end up scammed here most likely anyway

ghibly, do you turn to stone at sunrise? Because you do tick all the other boxes of a troll.

I was very objective and very clear in my arguments and posts before. The person dragging it onto emotional levels is you. And from now on I'll feed the troll, hoping he'll choke on it or die from obesity. Is Treviglio a known Mountain Troll habitat in Italy?

You are stupid. Plain stupid. You are lacking IQ. You have no clue how the math behind this coin works. Like the last post where you stated there's not enough BTC to payout every one. You even change your posts when you find out you were wrong. Your previous posts proof that:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522874.msg5941406#msg5941406

You are a liar. I don't know how many times you promised to "leave", but it probably exceed the number range you are comfortable with.

You hide behind "hero" members and believe in "authority by #posts". For all I know, Tomatocage could be a 21-year old college dropout spending too much time on this forum. I'd rather trust my own judgement, given my age and academic track record.

Finally, you distract from the real reasons why one might not want to invest in this coin. I've listed reasons and I've even made predictions on the future value of the coin. So far all my predictions were accurate.

[ghibly79]

K. No, you are wrong, it shares more than enough features if you spend few moments reasoning: if I steal your money promising you won't lose it and giving something to you in return promising it's value will only increase and I'll always be able to buy back any amount of it at the increased value, it's exactly the same as promising sure returns. Do what you said and quit this forum if you can't figure our even that, for your sake man, you'll be easily scammed over and over.

But oooook, free to disagree and ignore my ratings.


P.s.: Sure, if dev scams you it will be my fault. Nay: actually I am the dev (and your father too, Luke). I did all of this and then try to scare investors away so that I can have an excuse to run with the money. Reverse of reverse of reverse psychology and such.
Pure genius, isn't it ?

(delirious! ahhaah xD)

[lucienlu]

It is not difficult. Just click on the word "trust" below username TheRealStandard.
On this trust page scroll down, enter the risked amount of BTC, enter your comment and click submit.
That is all.

[jomay]

There won't be enough btc to buy back all std at ger like he states (lie, to answer SweetLou). He'll need a constant flow of new investments to do that. So yes it IS a ponzi.

There will be enough BTC to buy back all STD at GER. He does not need a constant flow of new investments. I might explain it in the next post. It's really quite simple.
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Oh ghibly oh ghibly. Trolling at its best. We've been there and discussed it - and you admitted that you didn't understand the math, that you were wrong. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522874.msg5940664#msg5940664

Heck you don't even need to do the math, just use some logic: if you took X amount of btc during a period of time (this includes old and new investors. Just all the btc coming in, any source) and gave something in return (STD in this case), how can you pay back MORE btc when what you gave increased its value (since it CANNOT DROP by design) and people sell back all of it?

It all works out for Standardcoin because its exchange pays back LESS BTC than what it got in the first place.
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Yep, we've been there as well. Of course, gibly doesn't need math. Because ghibly can't do math, because his arguments are so flawed that he could proof anything. And logic is the foundation of math. Another field where ghibly doesn't shine.

He could have ran away already but that is not necessary to be a scammer, what he did is enough. Running away would be aggravating (I already said this in anothre reply too). Actually is counterproductive to run away from the start with this kind of scheme. He can wait and see if investors will send him more btc, maybe pay back some to keep the thing going and running away when he has enough

This is the only bit of your post that makes sense and I agree with

[ghibly79]

I feel bad for people who invested in this and the owner if it turns out it all is legit.
I really feel bad for all of them, as 1 person can just destroy all this with a mouse click and a big ego.
Just because he did his trading here on a forum while others did a whole lot more trustful trading elsewhere.
Kinda feel more and more ashamed to be part of this BTC community latly and consider I should just better quit as it's filled with trolls and unhealthy amounts of ego who can't understand they should provide evidence before making accusations.

Very good description of ghastly ghibly. He must get some sick sense of pleasure "dominating" people on this forum with his stinky trust he got somehow. His life outside this forum must suck or be non-existent.

He also serves as a perfect warning sign not to trust people because they have 350 posts - posts devoid of relevant information and incredibly repetitive.

It's annoying that he did not (and probably still does not) understand the system, but still feels entitled to comment repetitively... worse than a bad politician.

Talking to yourself? All you did was attacking me on details over and over without denting the main point one bit. Was thinking you were genuine (maybe a bit of a detail obsessed nerd) at some point but you are turning out to be just another one of these trolls.

That's fine though, one less person to care replying to in the future.

Side note: it's not one person "destroying trust". Some 4 - 5 users dismissed this as a scam, including Tomatocage who is pretty experienced around there, more than me, and some other sr./hero members.
If someone has to stop and reflect that's maybe you.
You'll grow some experience eventually, don't worry. "That's how we learn!" cit.

P.s.: @Tekkerr, quitting may be wise, since you'll end up scammed here most likely anyway

ghibly, do you turn to stone at sunrise? Because you do tick all the other boxes of a troll.

I was very objective and very clear in my arguments and posts before. The person dragging it onto emotional levels is you. And from now on I'll feed the troll, hoping he'll choke on it or die from obesity. Is Treviglio a known Mountain Troll habitat in Italy?

You are stupid. Plain stupid. You are lacking IQ. You have no clue how the math behind this coin works. Like the last post where you stated there's not enough BTC to payout every one. You even change your posts when you find out you were wrong. Your previous posts proof that:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522874.msg5941406#msg5941406

You are a liar. I don't know how many times you promised to "leave", but it probably exceed the number range you are comfortable with.

You hide behind "hero" members and believe in "authority by #posts". For all I know, Tomatocage could be a 21-year old college dropout spending too much time on this forum. I'd rather trust my own judgement, given my age and academic track record.

Finally, you distract from the real reasons why one might not want to invest in this coin. I've listed reasons and I've even made predictions on the future value of the coin. So far all my predictions were accurate.

K Jomay, yes Jomay.

You were very objective and I answered you very objectively too, agreeing to your points when they were right, but explaining to you they were details not modifying the main problem.

And it's true there won't be enough btc to buy back at ger all std because:

100 btc ipo thus ger= 100/400mil=25 sat. New investors come and buy 200 more millions at ssp=4*100/200mil = 400 btc. Amc is now 500 btc and ger = 500/400mil= 125 sat. Miners mine 100 mil and get 125 btc. Dev down to 375 btc. Ipo investors sell back 100 mil for another 125, dev down to 250. New investors want to sell back but OH only 250 btc left, they lost 150.

And so on, swap last sellers as you please and someone will lose money (dev will probably run with all 500 but ok, that's an assumption).

Now back to school and to your trollbox.

[ghibly79]

Heck you don't even need to do the math, just use some logic: if you took X amount of btc during a period of time (this includes old and new investors. Just all the btc coming in, any source) and gave something in return (STD in this case), how can you pay back MORE btc when what you gave increased its value (since it CANNOT DROP by design) and people sell back all of it?

It all works out for Standardcoin because its exchange pays back LESS BTC than what it got in the first place.

THUS people get less btc back, THUS someone is losing money. GENIUS.

[sameev29]

Heck you don't even need to do the math, just use some logic: if you took X amount of btc during a period of time (this includes old and new investors. Just all the btc coming in, any source) and gave something in return (STD in this case), how can you pay back MORE btc when what you gave increased its value (since it CANNOT DROP by design) and people sell back all of it?

It all works out for Standardcoin because its exchange pays back LESS BTC than what it got in the first place.

THUS people get less btc back, THUS someone is losing money. GENIUS.

Everyone loses money in crypto world. 

[ghibly79]

Heck you don't even need to do the math, just use some logic: if you took X amount of btc during a period of time (this includes old and new investors. Just all the btc coming in, any source) and gave something in return (STD in this case), how can you pay back MORE btc when what you gave increased its value (since it CANNOT DROP by design) and people sell back all of it?

It all works out for Standardcoin because its exchange pays back LESS BTC than what it got in the first place.

THUS people get less btc back, THUS someone is losing money. GENIUS.

Everyone loses money in crypto world. 

But no one guarantees you won't lose with legit cryptos (repeating myself ^^''').

[jomay]

And it's true there won't be enough btc to buy back at ger all std because:

100 btc ipo thus ger= 100/400mil=25 sat. New investors come and buy 200 more millions at ssp=4*100/200mil = 400 btc. Amc is now 500 btc and ger = 500/400mil= 125 sat. Miners mine 100 mil and get 125 btc. Dev down to 375 btc. Ipo investors sell back 100 mil for another 125, dev down to 250. New investors want to sell back but OH only 250 btc left, they lost 150.
Even if miners come after, new investors will get only 375 back out of 400. Or if they sell before ipoers, they'll get 400*125=500 btc and ipoers and miners will be screwed.

And so on, swap last sellers as you please and someone will lose money (dev will probably run with all 500 but ok, that's an assumption.

Mathematically spoken, softened for Troll-sized brains:

• GER = (total amount of BTC deposited) / (maximum number of STD). The BTC stored are exactly sufficient to pay GER for every STD currently existing or mined in the future.
• GER is monotonously increasing because the exchange sells STD for a price much larger than GER. (I believe that there are some subtleties regarding the multi-pool and hope the dev took care of them!)

Now, let's take your post apart. You realize that you contradict yourself. But you don't care because you Troll.

Your first and wrong statement "And it's true there won't be enough btc to buy back at ger all std" is a direct contradiction to your proof and second paragraph. All miners, IPO and later investors get GER for their STD in your example. So everybody gets the promised GER rate for their STD.

Obviously someone has gotten back less BTC than they had originally paid and effectively net a loss. The GER is a lower bound for the price, not a guarantee that you cannot lose. You'd have to be incredibly stupid to think otherwise.

[jomay]

And so on, swap last sellers as you please and someone will lose money (dev will probably run with all 500 but ok, that's an assumption.

You'd have to be incredibly stupid to think otherwise.

Edit - maybe I'm on to something here?

[Kay0r]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

[ghibly79]

Ok Jomay, as usual, yes you are right on the sophistic detail that the wording is right: "there will be enough btc to buy back at ger". In fact in my example, in the "new investors sell last" scenario, they own 200 mil STD at 125 satoshi ger and they'll sell back for 250 btc.

Main problem is, like you yourself are agreeing upon, they invested 400 so they are losing money. Or someone else will be in their stead if you swap last sellers around.

So, the fact is that the very reason to create a coin like this and wording the announcement like that is to suggest to investors they will at least be able to recover initial investment. Everything is arranged for that. Newbies and naives trap.

You are insisting over and over on language details, maybe for the sake of not losing the flame when you understood exactly what I meant and the scheme is evident. This coupled with the fact he'll be holding investors btc in his hands (while stating otherwise, now that I notice:

"Nobody is depositing anything. The exchange works like this:
If you are a buyer, you only need to enter your STD address to the exchange, a BTC address associated with that STD address is generated. You send BTC to that address and a calculated amount of STD will be sent to your STD address automatically.
And if you are a seller, you will have to enter your BTC address to the exchange, a STD address associated with that BTC address is generated. You send STD to that address and you will receive BTC to your BTC address at the GER.")

 is more than enough for the big fat warning.

As you can see I'm not dragging arguments on emotional waves. Hope I've made it clear once and for all now.

[ghibly79]

Also edited my previous reply, removing the last line where I stated new investors selling back before the others will get 375 or 500 btc: it was wrong, I was thinking about 400 mil std instead of 200 mil. They'll always get 250 btc back unless some more new investors come buying again dumped STD (dumped by miners and/or ipoers thus rising GER).
Main argument still valid, but for the sake of precision.

[hucker]

It is not difficult. Just click on the word "trust" below username TheRealStandard.
On this trust page scroll down, enter the risked amount of BTC, enter your comment and click submit.
That is all.

Which has bugger all effect unless you are a chosen one.

[ghibly79]

And before I forget: the "anti pump & dump" part is also false. You can pump and dump just fine at exchanges, you will just pump the price over ger and then dump back at ger, just not to zero.
As a side note

[hucker]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Do you know of any ASICS that do better than a Radeon R9 290 at scrypt?

[Kreativekrypto]

Cannot believe this conversation is still ongoing. Dev you should a made a moderated thread this is absolutely ridiculous. Guys remember this always, winning on the internet is like winning the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded. Let...it...rest...

[ghibly79]

I will gladly Krypto but they keep attacking me directly. Hope I cleared my position once and for all, even wrote to Jomay in pm (the only one which is at least reading) to continue there if there is the need and not in the main thread.

[hucker]

Cannot believe this conversation is still ongoing. Dev you should a made a moderated thread this is absolutely ridiculous. Guys remember this always, winning on the internet is like winning the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded. Let...it...rest...

Agreed.  I don't know what ghibly's saying as he's blocked, but I can see a lot of messages marked as blocked.  He's not STILL going on is he?  I was in danger of falling asleep at my desk reading his inane drivel.

[TheRealStandard]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Still working hard on it

[TheRealStandard]

Cannot believe this conversation is still ongoing. Dev you should a made a moderated thread this is absolutely ridiculous. Guys remember this always, winning on the internet is like winning the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded. Let...it...rest...

I don't think a moderated thread is fair for everyone. Just ignore the kids that can't learn to do math and everything is fine like I did with ghibly.
There is an ignore button under the username, just press it.
I ignored ghibly after I told him to learn math and he gave me a negative review for that.
I know exactly how the system work, I know it's good. And soon, people will realize it. They just need time. There is no rush at this point. A single negative feedback from a kid can't do any harm to the system.

[sameev29]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Still working hard on it

Any other plans to make a good supportive community?

Also why arent there more investors?

[ghibly79]

Cannot believe this conversation is still ongoing. Dev you should a made a moderated thread this is absolutely ridiculous. Guys remember this always, winning on the internet is like winning the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded. Let...it...rest...

I don't think a moderated thread is fair for everyone. Just ignore the kids that can't learn to do math and everything is fine like I did with ghibly.
There is an ignore button under the username, just press it.
I ignored ghibly after I told him to learn math and he gave me a negative review for that.
I know exactly how the system work, I know it's good. And soon, people will realize it. They just need time. There is no rush at this point. A single negative feedback from a kid can't do any harm to the system.

Get lost retarded scammer, your problem is the opposite: that somebody can do the math.

I know exactly how the system work, I know it's good.

Yep, you forgot to add the "for me" part.

[hucker]

Cannot believe this conversation is still ongoing. Dev you should a made a moderated thread this is absolutely ridiculous. Guys remember this always, winning on the internet is like winning the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded. Let...it...rest...

I don't think a moderated thread is fair for everyone. Just ignore the kids that can't learn to do math and everything is fine like I did with ghibly.
There is an ignore button under the username, just press it.
I ignored ghibly after I told him to learn math and he gave me a negative review for that.
I know exactly how the system work, I know it's good. And soon, people will realize it. They just need time. There is no rush at this point. A single negative feedback from a kid can't do any harm to the system.

Someone needs to give ghibly some negative trust, since he ABUSED the feedback system by pretending he'd traded with you when he hadn't (which amounts to FRAUD), but the feedback system on this site is crap so hardly anybody gets a vote.  He needs his childish ego deflated.  Imagine if a newspaper printed an outright lie?  They'd be in serious trouble.

[TheRealStandard]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Still working hard on it

Any other plans to make a good supportive community?

Also why arent there more investors?

I can't tell you why there are no more investors. Maybe people can't understand the system yet. I think I didn't make my words clear since English is not my native language, it would be great if someone can help me rewrite the documents and make a white paper.
But honestly, I don't think many bitcoin users can understand the bitcoin the protocol clearly. They just use it because it works.

[hucker]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Still working hard on it

Any other plans to make a good supportive community?

Also why arent there more investors?

I can't tell you why there are no more investors. Maybe people can't understand the system yet. I think I didn't make my words clear since English is not my native language, it would be great if someone can help me rewrite the documents and make a white paper.
But honestly, I don't think many bitcoin users can understand the bitcoin the protocol clearly. They just use it because it works.

There are about 200 altcoins and not enough investors to go round.  Only the strong coins will survive, unfortunately there are new ones every minute!

[nbphuoc]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Still working hard on it

Any other plans to make a good supportive community?

Also why arent there more investors?

I can't tell you why there are no more investors. Maybe people can't understand the system yet. I think I didn't make my words clear since English is not my native language, it would be great if someone can help me rewrite the documents and make a white paper.
But honestly, I don't think many bitcoin users can understand the bitcoin the protocol clearly. They just use it because it works.

There are about 200 altcoins and not enough investors to go round.  Only the strong coins will survive, unfortunately there are new ones every minute!

So I guess StandardCoin may survive because it has a strong back up built-in exchange.

[ghibly79]

I can't tell you why there are no more investors. Maybe people can't understand the system yet.

Or maybe they understood better than you expected. That's why

[Kay0r]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Do you know of any ASICS that do better than a Radeon R9 290 at scrypt?

I just bought 2 of these.
The problem is that those do only vanilla scrypt, not scrypt-n or scrypt-jane.
Oh, and there's the knc titan incoming

[Kay0r]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Still working hard on it

Very good! You're the man!

I can't tell you why there are no more investors. Maybe people can't understand the system yet.

They will

[hucker]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Do you know of any ASICS that do better than a Radeon R9 290 at scrypt?

I just bought 2 of these.
The problem is that those do only vanilla scrypt, not scrypt-n or scrypt-jane.
Oh, and there's the knc titan incoming

I'm not sure if I should go for ASICs.  I've always used graphics cards, because they are always graphics cards - i.e. at end of mining life, they can be sold to play games on.  Out of date ASICs are worthless.  What is this scrypt-n & scrypt-jane?  Does that mean I can't mine certain coins?  I currently use multipool, I don't really want to stick to one coin.  Also will GUIMiner (Windows 7/8) run ASICs?

[hucker]

ghibly is now leaving negatives on us aswell as the original poster.  ghibly, you've been reported to the moderator.  Now grow up or go spam another forum.

[ghibly79]

ghibly is now leaving negatives on us aswell as the original poster.  ghibly, you've been reported to the moderator.  Now grow up or go spam another forum.

Legit, since you are leaving fake feedbacks to me to begin with. Already stated I will do that. Report all you want, trust system is not moderated (otherwise you'll be banned by now).

[hucker]

ghibly is now leaving negatives on us aswell as the original poster.  ghibly, you've been reported to the moderator.  Now grow up or go spam another forum.

Legit, since you are leaving fake feedbacks to me to begin with. Already stated I will do that. Report all you want, trust system is not moderated (otherwise you'd have been banned by now).

YOU started it by leaving a fake feedback on the dev.  Unless you bought coins from him and never received them (which has not happened in a single case), then you had no right to do that.  Everyone who has left you a negative is because of that.  YOU are the one that abused the system, and you can't handle it when people retaliate.  Now as I said, stop throwing your toys out of the pram and get a life.

Remove your fake negative from the dev, and we will all remove ours from you.  There are more of us with more feedbacks to leave, so all you're doing is ruining your own reputation.

[ghibly79]

I knew you were not actually ignoring me ahah xD

My tag to the dev was legit and I explained myself ad nauseam and not going into it again. You may  of course disagree but you cannot leave a negative to me cause you disagree (you yourself said this would be wrong coherency).

You are free to ignore me and my warnings though. You are free to abuse the system yourself and take my negative too ofc. I'll handle people who "retaliate" fine and dandy, as you can see.

I can't care less for your feedbacks, it won't even show beside for you and for anyone who have you under his trust tree (try creating a new account and see for yourself).
Unfortunately no trustworthy member here is going to leave a negative to me cause they understood I am right.
Maybe you didn't get how the system works.

[hucker]

I knew you were not actually ignoring me ahah xD

Yes I'm ignoring you, I clicked ignore.  The forum isn't perfect, so I do still get an email when you post, but I see "ignored".  I only chose to reply to you because I spotted you childishly gave me a negative.

My tag to the dev was legit and I explained myself ad nauseam and not going into it again. You may  of course disagree but you cannot leave a negative to me cause you disagree (you yourself said this wold be wrong coherency).

It's not my opinion, it is a FACT that you left a trust negative on the dev incorrectly.  Trust is for TRADES ONLY.  You are not trading with the dev, you are making assumptions.

You are free to ignore me and my warnings though.

Why didn't you just post one warning then?  Why have you posted now about 50 times to this thread?  Why didn't you just make your opinion on the coin known and leave it at that for everyone to decide?  You have taken it upon yourself to attack the dev and reduce the value of his coin.  If I was the dev I seriously would have taken you to court by now for libellous damages.  You are a lowlife who should have his account removed from this forum immediately.

You are free to abuse the system yourself and take my negative too ofc. I'll handle people who "retaliate" fine and dandy, as you can see.

How stupid can you get?!?  YOU abused the system.  YOU left a negative on the dev which was NOT for a trade.

I can't care less for your feedbacks, it won't even show beside for you and for anyone who have you under his trust tree (try creating a new account and see for yourself).

Yes we all know the trust system on here is a badly designed piece of crap.  But everyone can read all the feedbacks everyone has given you, even if it doesn't change the number properly.  If I were a new person deciding whether to trade with you or not, I'd read all your feedbacks, see a pile of red, and steer well clear.

Unfortunately no trustworthy member here is going to leave a negative to me cause they understood I am right.
Maybe you didn't get how the system works.

The system doesn't work.  It's an "it's who you know" shambles, similar to masons.

[clicks ignore again]  So don't waste your time replying, because it won't be read.

[ghibly79]

I only chose to reply to you because I spotted you childishly gave me a negative.

Talking to yourself there ^^' How cute.

It's not my opinion, it is a FACT that you left a trust negative on the dev incorrectly.  Trust is for TRADES ONLY.  You are not trading with the dev, you are making assumptions.

Nope, look around the forum just a bit and you will see you can leave a negative in other circumstances too. Would be a pretty weak system otherwise. You are new and it shows, no offense there.

Why didn't you just post one warning then?  Why have you posted now about 50 times to this thread?  Why didn't you just make your opinion on the coin known and leave it at that for everyone to decide?  You have taken it upon yourself to attack the dev and reduce the value of his coin.  If I was the dev I seriously would have taken you to court by now for libellous damages.  You are a lowlife who should have his account removed from this forum immediately.

'Cause this is a scam, not only a bad coin. Otherwise I'd have just left a reply "bad coin!" Subsequent replies are just (mostly) answers to personal attacks, cause I just can't let them go. Yes this is a bit childish on my part too, but small stuff compared to the level of some others in this thread, so bear with it xD
Skipping other nonsense.

How stupid can you get?!?  YOU abused the system.  YOU left a negative on the dev which was NOT for a trade.

Already answered above. Btw your abuse is even worse since you faked an amount of btc lost (10).

Yes we all know the trust system on here is a badly designed piece of crap.  But everyone can read all the feedbacks everyone has given you, even if it doesn't change the number properly.  If I were a new person deciding whether to trade with you or not, I'd read all your feedbacks, see a pile of red, and steer well clear.

Nope, they'll have to expand the "untrusted feedbacks" tab, and nobody usually gives a fuck. The few who will will notice there are a bunch of red tagged users leaving OT feedbacks. No big deal xD
The system is not perfect, but working fine in this case.

The system doesn't work.  It's an "it's who you know" shambles, similar to masons.

[clicks ignore again]  So don't waste your time replying, because it won't be read.

Good, but just do it this time. Regards.

[hucker]

"ghibly79

Re: [ANN][STD] StandardCoin - BUILT-IN EXCHANGE - Permanently Rising Rate

This user is currently ignored."

Yet still replies!  What an idiot!

[Kay0r]

Any news on the STD multipool?
I'm already warming up my gridseeds.

Do you know of any ASICS that do better than a Radeon R9 290 at scrypt?

I just bought 2 of these.
The problem is that those do only vanilla scrypt, not scrypt-n or scrypt-jane.
Oh, and there's the knc titan incoming

I'm not sure if I should go for ASICs.  I've always used graphics cards, because they are always graphics cards - i.e. at end of mining life, they can be sold to play games on.  Out of date ASICs are worthless.  What is this scrypt-n & scrypt-jane?  Does that mean I can't mine certain coins?  I currently use multipool, I don't really want to stick to one coin.  Also will GUIMiner (Windows 7/8) run ASICs?

It's a matter of choice.
GPUs won't last more than 2 years mining, beacuse you'll fry them. Best to do is mine 6-12 months and resell them.
ASICs are more efficient in terms of power draw, so you get your ROI sooner, that's all.
Yes, scrypt ASICs won't mine scrypt variants for now (E.G. Vertcoin).
Scrypt multipools are fine with ASICs.
AFAIK GUIminer won't work.

[hucker]

It's a matter of choice.
GPUs won't last more than 2 years mining, beacuse you'll fry them. Best to do is mine 6-12 months and resell them.
ASICs are more efficient in terms of power draw, so you get your ROI sooner, that's all.
Yes, scrypt ASICs won't mine scrypt variants for now (E.G. Vertcoin).
Scrypt multipools are fine with ASICs.
AFAIK GUIminer won't work.

I'm not so sure about the 2 years.  If they're gonna break, it'll probably be in the 1 year warranty period, and don't a lot of them have a 3 year manufacturer warranty too?  The only one I broke was only 2 months, and that got excessive dust on the little capacitors and they exploded.  I think that was bad design anyway because later ones had much bigger capacitors there.

Yes the power cost is ridiculous with GPUs, that's the reason I'm thinking of ASICs.

If I use a scrypt multipool with an ASIC, what happens when the pool switches to a coin it can't do?

I like GUIminer-scrypt, as it just works.  Tried cgminer and it was a horrid interface and I could never get it to do more than one GPU at a time.  I'm a Windows user only, I don't like text mode stuff.

[Kay0r]

It's a matter of choice.
GPUs won't last more than 2 years mining, beacuse you'll fry them. Best to do is mine 6-12 months and resell them.
ASICs are more efficient in terms of power draw, so you get your ROI sooner, that's all.
Yes, scrypt ASICs won't mine scrypt variants for now (E.G. Vertcoin).
Scrypt multipools are fine with ASICs.
AFAIK GUIminer won't work.

I'm not so sure about the 2 years.  If they're gonna break, it'll probably be in the 1 year warranty period, and don't a lot of them have a 3 year manufacturer warranty too?  The only one I broke was only 2 months, and that got excessive dust on the little capacitors and they exploded.  I think that was bad design anyway because later ones had much bigger capacitors there.

Yes the power cost is ridiculous with GPUs, that's the reason I'm thinking of ASICs.

If I use a scrypt multipool with an ASIC, what happens when the pool switches to a coin it can't do?

I like GUIminer-scrypt, as it just works.  Tried cgminer and it was a horrid interface and I could never get it to do more than one GPU at a time.  I'm a Windows user only, I don't like text mode stuff.

If people starts to break GPUs often due to mining, manufacturers will start to refuse product replacing, citing overclocking; honestly, i can't blame them, shall they go for this choice.
Scrypt multipools only mine scrypt coins, they cannot switch from scrypt to scrypt-n. At least for now.
I am a windows user too, and if you accept my suggestion, you should learn cgminer/sgminer/bfgminer commands, you can do amazing things with it. Things you can't do with guiminer.

[hucker]

If people starts to break GPUs often due to mining, manufacturers will start to refuse product replacing, citing overclocking; honestly, i can't blame them, shall they go for this choice.

I don't overclock my GPUs, and I run them at the intended clock speed and limit the temperature to well under the rated maximum.  If the manufacturer is going to refuse replacements, then the graphics card has to have some kind of log of how fast it's been run, otherwise what's to stop miners just saying they played games on it without overclocking it?  Anyway most Radeon R9 290 cards overclock automatically if they're under max temperature and/or the manufacturer of the card has already overclocked the GPU faster than AMD intended.

Scrypt multipools only mine scrypt coins, they cannot switch from scrypt to scrypt-n. At least for now.

Cool.

I am a windows user too, and if you accept my suggestion, you should learn cgminer/sgminer/bfgminer commands, you can do amazing things with it. Things you can't do with guiminer.

Guiminer uses cgminer, it's just a front end.  I will give an ASIC a shot I think, as with current coin prices, I'm breaking even with electricity costs.  It sounds safer than stealing the electricity!

I take it all ASICS will run with cgminer?

[Kay0r]

A slightly modified version of it, yes.

[SweetLou]

and he's back again... ghibly stop being a hypocrite by coming back. you said you were done with this so stop coming back with your nonsense. You obviously are making this a personal vendetta against the dev. stick with your black coin you seem to love so much and leave standard coin be.

[hucker]

and he's back again... ghibly stop being a hypocrite by coming back. you said you were done with this so stop coming back with your nonsense. You obviously are making this a personal vendetta against the dev. stick with your black coin you seem to love so much and leave standard coin be.

Why do people trade on here anyway?  Don't they know there's things like Cryptsy which are automated, fast, and risk-free?

[Tekkerr]

Just wanted a third red party member in a row.
We need 1 more to play cards

[hucker]

Just wanted a third red party member in a row.
We need 1 more to play cards

I was expecting something witty about communism there.

[trdiablo]

is there any sign of the DEV??? Is he still alive?

[Kay0r]

Just read page 11

[sameev29]

Just read page 11

Where does that leave us?

[SweetLou]

Just read page 11

Where does that leave us?

as stated on pg 11 he is still working on the multipool to help increase the value of the coin. Currently we can mine the coin directly on one of the pools and it can be traded on the internal exchange and on bittrex.

[Rainer4256]

Just read page 11

Where does that leave us?

as stated on pg 11 he is still working on the multipool to help increase the value of the coin. Currently we can mine the coin directly on one of the pools and it can be traded on the internal exchange and on bittrex.

Why launch a multipool? There are lots of them on the web. And I think it's really a problem to launch a coin without the software being ready.

[Kreativekrypto]

Dev at this point can you give investors examples of why we should hold our coins anymore? Its a deserted wasteland in this thread and weeks since twitter active etc.

[sameev29]

Dev at this point can you give investors examples of why we should hold our coins anymore? Its a deserted wasteland in this thread and weeks since twitter active etc.

Yes, dev you should keep us updated with details of total development of the coin.

[anteco]

http://pool.standardcoin.net/

not transactions !!!!!!!!!!!!

[trdiablo]

DEV, would be nice to hear your latest updates 

[rdongxie]

i love StandardCoin~~~~~

[anteco]

I do also love it if you received it mined

[papasmurph]

Let's stop calling him Dev! , Clown is his real name.

When u messed it up ok fine.  Be honest, send a note and give the BTC back. We send our coins back and u pay our price we paid for this joke. In this way you don't loose your face.

[ghibly79]

He's probably busy with this other "project" ..^^' https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=568661.0

Let him sca...work in peace damn it!

[SweetLou]

He's probably busy with this other "project" ..^^' https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=568661.0

Let him sca...work in peace damn it!

well if you seem so certain that is him why dont you negative trust him like you did with this one.

[ghibly79]

Cause this time he was smart enough not to include the ponzi component, as I wrote in that thread too. You don't automatically lose money the moment you invest with multicoin, having to hope for new investors to cover your loss like with std. There's "just" the ipo in disguise, and he have to actually run with the money.
I'm just 90% sure it's another scam, not 100%

Look at the thread: same wording, same english level, same thread layout and desing. Even the website is similar.

[trdiablo]

Maybe just my PC but selling STD on the exchange seems to no longer be possible. Tried with 3 different browsers, hangs on "Generating your STD Deposit Address".

And DEV is no where to be seen anymore. Thanks to Ghibly, the dev had nothing to lose anyway as he was already tagged as scammer so he ran away with the 16 BTC.
This was probably a scam that has been set-up together with Ghibly by the DEV. In fact, the DEV might be Ghibly himself.  

[ghibly79]

Makes sense: if one wants to scam he'll scare away people warning it's a scam, cause just waiting patiently for more btc to come in and then running would be so old fashioned.

You, my friend, are in dire need for help xD

Anyway I'll wait some more time before dropping another neg for this further (though predictable) scam, if confirmed.

And I'll try not to laugh too hard at you guys since after all you lost money already (despite all my efforts).


Now hurry and go throw some more at his other "project", multicoin, there is still time

[trdiablo]

Makes sense: if one wants to scam he'll scare away people warning it's a scam, cause just waiting patiently for more btc to come in and then running would be so old fashioned.

You, my friend, are in dire need for help xD

Anyway I'll wait some more time before dropping another neg for this further (though predictable) scam, if confirmed.

And I'll try not to laugh too hard at you guys since after all you lost money already (despite all my efforts).


Now hurry and go throw some more at his other "project", multicoin, there is still time

Sure man, that is why you first waited for everyone to deposit BTC and THEN you decided to mark him as scammer.
It is because you are such a good guy that was trying to help everyone!

Enjoy the BTC you will receive from the DEV, was it a 50/50 deal? It was a good scam, congratulations.
Looking forward to your next scam.

In any case, I am not so cool as you are so I will not laugh at anyone that has lost BTC because of this. It is not funny for those people.
Luckily my loss is small.

[ghibly79]

Why bothering posting at all, I could just have waited and then run away if that was the case. Dev is a new account, anonymous xD No need to "tag myself as a scammer" to have "an excuse" to run and some other uselessly elaborate stuff like that cause there is zero need to do that ahaha
Counterproductive, if anything ^^'

You are making yourself look stupid, seriously. Kinda entertaining, but have some dignity ^^'

[trdiablo]

Why bothering posting at all, I could just have waited and then run away if that was the case. Dev is a new account, anonymous xD No need to "tag myself as a scammer" to have "an excuse" to run and some other uselessly elaborate stuff like that cause there is zero need to do that ahaha
Counterproductive, if anything ^^'

You are making yourself look stupid, seriously. Kinda entertaining, but have some dignity ^^'

As you are too retarded too realize what I am doing I will explain.

I am doing the same you did to DEV. Accusing you of being a scammer with 0 evidence. Coming up with some insane theory.

Anyway, I am done with StandardCoin. It is now for me a closed chapter, time to move on. Don't really care anymore.

Ciao

[ghibly79]

Why bothering posting at all, I could just have waited and then run away if that was the case. Dev is a new account, anonymous xD No need to "tag myself as a scammer" to have "an excuse" to run and some other uselessly elaborate stuff like that cause there is zero need to do that ahaha
Counterproductive, if anything ^^'

You are making yourself look stupid, seriously. Kinda entertaining, but have some dignity ^^'

As you are too retarded too realize what I am doing I will explain.

I am doing the same you did to DEV. Accusing you of being a scammer with 0 evidence. Coming up with some insane theory.

Anyway, I am done with StandardCoin. It is now for me a closed chapter, time to move on. Don't really care anymore.

Ciao

Except mine was no insane theory, and is in fact getting more and more evident by the minute.
You are going funny lenghts not to admit I was right, that's what you are doing.

Yeah, time for you to move on to the next scam. Let me suggest Multicoin again, very suitable

[CombatVolcano]

wtf

is pool.standardcoin.net totally weird for anyone else

[Cryptocoinrank.com]

█ ★Standardcoin (STD) █→ Now Live on: http://www.cryptocoinrank.com/Standardcoin
Hope you like it! You can also display your Dev news just by creating two widgets and sending me the information like described here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579901.0

Enjoy

[trdiablo]

Yesterday I tried to send all my STD to address sP2y3fEHBh9QNmHfj8g14iVacR6u2bLUer

I have 370 confirmations since yesterday and 4 connections to network


However the coins did not arrive at that address

The STD block explorer still says Address not seen on network


I restarted the wallet a couple of times but no change. Anyone know what I can do?

Also, I would like to try to send another small amount to this address to see if that triggers something.
As I have 0 left, if anyone could send me a tiny amount of 10 STD to sP6jGDzwx4ZHpWAzy5qiKR6sU2tLbZfGJd so I can try that I would be very grateful

[trdiablo]

Da fuck, standardcoin.net is now offline .

[ghibly79]

16 BTC



Dropping the second negative for the (predictable) run away part of the scam.


By the way, pretty curious hucker, tekkerr and jomay suddenly stopped posting and are nowhere to be seen outside standarcoin related threads.

[trdiablo]

Yes, what a bastard dev  

Someone should take legal action against whoever registered Standardcoin.net.
These scammers get it too easy, they can't all be experts in hiding tracks, suing a couple of them would send a message to all other wannabe scammers.

Yes, I know a WHOIS does not show his real name, but I am sure that if you sue the company hosting the site that they have to give the real name of this person.

[Tekkerr]

Dropping the second negative for the (predictable) run away part of the scam.


By the way, pretty curious hucker, tekkerr and jomay suddenly stopped posting and are nowhere to be seen outside standarcoin related threads.

Tekkerr is still here dude, you are delusional, should start looking for a doctor.
Or at least get your tactics worked on, not tag someone as scammer without proof.
I am still convinced that you missuses the trust system !

[ghibly79]

Good to know you are still there
But you don't seem to have learned the lesson yet, unfortunately.

[Tekkerr]

Good to know you are still there
But you don't seem to have learned the lesson yet, unfortunately.

Who in Gods name do you think you are, you are not here to teach me or anyone a lesson for that mater.
You can share your experience and your warning signs, but come back to earth man, you think you are something you most certainly are not.

[ghibly79]

Wasn't talking about me: was talking about the "real life" lesson to be learned here, and about you going great lenghts not to see it.

[ghibly79]

By the way, I noticed this comment by Therealstandard in your trust history just now "ghibly79 marked this guy false positive.
Untill now he kept all his promises, if later this change I will revoke my trust level for sure."

What promises is he talking about xD? Wasn't it the dev who "kept all promises"? Posted with the wrong account maybe ?

[CombatVolcano]

What is the deal with the website

[Rainer4256]

What is the deal with the website

Gone.

[astercion]

I still believe this coin...

[HunterS]

well just sent my std coin to bittrex.didnt arrive .lost them all

[HunterS]

well just sent my std coin to bittrex.didnt arrive .lost them all

woops i didnt update wallet lol.i havent worried about this coin for ages.just open my wallet and send them to sell.oh well guess there gone

[papasmurph]

on bittrex coin is active. just updated my wallet (that worked) but scared to send over. The vol. at Bittrex is 0 atm.

Maybe we all have to wait until some devs take over and fix the whole thing

I never really saw a coin dying so far. Just sleeping for longer periods.

[sameev29]

And dev promised us rising exchange rate,now its so bad not even worth mining.Is this what we mined for,dev explain please.

[CombatVolcano]

And dev promised us rising exchange rate,now its so bad not even worth mining.Is this what we mined for,dev explain please.

Shitcoin is apparently over. The website has been down for a long time. Dev is a scammer.