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[MaNI]

Anyway I've got more important things to do with my time. I've shared everything I know - which is more than I can say for anyone else involved.
I've warned everyone, so anyone who gets further burnt from here has no excuses.

* This coin has no remaining core devs that actually do anything.
* Many of the larger community members who actually contribute are already out.
* Huge amounts of coins are in the hands of dumpers waiting to dump.
* The founder is irresponsible and uncooperative at best, complicit or the mastermind of the scam at worst.
* The distribution is completely destroyed

You can assume that half the people posting now are sock puppets and/or pumpers, look at some of the comments from people with broken logic and only a few posts to their names.
You can assume that anyone who says anything about new features at this point is looking to hype, either because they are a large bagholder or because they are one of the dumpers.
You will be very unlikely to attract a real developer at this point who is not out to scam you.


Anyway, I've got nothing more to say, so this will be my last post here, you can proceed to talk shit about me if you want I don't really care, my freenode account is 10 years old, various people have my real details, the 'dev team' has my full CV - only an idiot would scam like this, I am not involved in any scam - I was paid to deliver work and I delivered it thats my only involvement here - but believe what you will, desperate people will look for any excuse to cling to some form of hope and I've done far more than I am obliged to to try help folks here, you're grown ups do what you will.
HOWEVER INVEST IN THIS COIN AT YOUR PERIL YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

So long and thanks for all the fish.

[no141]

How am I going to dump my coins now? Pandacoin has such a nice website...It can't be over, it just can't.

Oops, I just did. vaultex.io still has buyers, the highest is at 3 sats.

[Zzyz]

i like coin,free coin test  bounty

[SellPNDforDOGE]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

I can't believe that with so many people in the community that the price can't be pumped above 5 sat, did we get unlucky with a bunch of poor people getting in PND coin?

No AmDoge ,

People are just tired of being crushed by insiders.
You won't be able to trick them into pumping this coin above 1 sat again , like the last few times.
Best to look for another way of making money.

AG18

Leave AmDoge out of this, she can't do all the work here. She gave you the gift of pandacoin now it's up to you all to make it a big success. The people involved have done there share now the community must take it to the moon. Look at the Doge community, become the Doge community and make this a top 10 coin and we all can be rich.

[Tears on Dope]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

I can't believe that with so many people in the community that the price can't be pumped above 5 sat, did we get unlucky with a bunch of poor people getting in PND coin?

No AmDoge ,

People are just tired of being crushed by insiders.
You won't be able to trick them into pumping this coin above 1 sat again , like the last few times.
Best to look for another way of making money.

AG18

Leave AmDoge out of this, she can't do all the work here. She gave you the gift of pandacoin now it's up to you all to make it a big success. The people involved have done there share now the community must take it to the moon. Look at the Doge community, become the Doge community and make this a top 10 coin and we all can be rich.

Hi amdoge you should stop hiding behind that account we know its you 

[Argon18]

So what do we do now? Im holding since feb 2014 (only sold a bit to get my investment back.. man those 7-40 liteoshi days on mintpal were awesome )

But seriously. I like this community very much... It would be a damn shame to let this die..


Lets create a little in-topic poll


Can we still save PND with this community?

Yes or No

Your Problem is this to keep the old devs from dumping , you can't bid more that 1 satochi, you can't use any of the old dev team , or the PND is Love guys , they were all in on it.

Smartest answer would be to sell into their 1 sat wall and call it quits and move on to another coin completely.

But if there are some die hards that just won't quit, here is an option to mess up the old devs,
get a new dev and reverse split the coin numbers like 30 times, and then only buy it at 1 sat for like 3 months, then only 2 sat for like the next year so you can buy the old devs out and end the pump and dump.  By reverse splitting you remove their number advantage of coins, and only buying at 1 sat will crush them but keep the coin alive and after a year at 2 sat, then buy normally.
Whole lot of trouble , selling is easier.

AG18

[tw0rak]

Nobody here cares about devs, about the coin or anything else there...

All we care about is the trading - and it goes well - in this case - so many BTC are invested in this coin at 1sat price, somebody is investing 5-10BTC a day to buy as much as possible for the lowest possible price - you will see those 11btc at bittrex disappearing rly soon.

So now you have an accumulation - day, week or month from now and the pump is comming!

Its even in the name of this coin

PND...pump'n dump.

And my advice? Just buy as much as you can at this price.

[SellPNDforDOGE]

Nobody here cares about devs, about the coin or anything else there...

All we care about is the trading - and it goes well - in this case - so many BTC are invested in this coin at 1sat price, somebody is investing 5-10BTC a day to buy as much as possible for the lowest possible price - you will see those 11btc at bittrex disappearing rly soon.

So now you have an accumulation - day, week or month from now and the pump is comming!

Its even in the name of this coin

PND...pump'n dump.

And my advice? Just buy as much as you can at this price.

Finally someone with brains. Buy up all the coins and control the market, then you can sell 1 PND for 1 btc.

[mtrycz]

Hey all,

It is with much sadness that I find myself having to make this announcement, usually I am a builder and do everything in my power to encourage people to carry on, and to bring hope, and that it is what I have tried to do over the last few weeks.
So it is difficult to find myself in a position where I am instead going to reverse my position and tell people to give up on something and cut their losses before they are hurt further. However there are things that must be said and based on these things I feel it is now the best course of action, the only ethical thing for me to do is to advise people against investing any further time or money in this coin.


Firstly, you will have noticed that despite my ultimatum and various impationed pleading on IRC by various community members that have given their all to their coins, amDOGE continues to flirt all responsibility, ignore everyone and won't make a basic statement. This is of course not a good sign for the coin, though nobody expects much from her ignoring people like a child at the time when the coin needs leadership is a disgrace and an insult to everyone who places trust in her.

Anyway unfortunately that isn't even what this post is about, there is more.
In my previous communications I stated that after dissapearing bdanyos accounts remained dormant - and that based on this and other things we could not believe that he was a scammer, as such myself and ozzke believed that something bad may have happened to him as it did not make sense.
Unfortunately this situation has changed, this weekend I decided to dig up the account information and look at it again, and to my surprise - at almost the same time as I made my announcement (around 4-5 March) about what was going on - the bdanyo accounts all sprung into action.
You can see them here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PNsD4AfYexQtuVRApcXyfjYAqZwPvagsLf
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBYhqaA3YFbc1LXKTDpPFqBqPMP33eSiQE
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBMjW35Ur4BpzQQ2V7sN5yqHMqqZhoY2De
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PSXKAXtZgRbdzcdNcE29UCZZ25wcHPsQpG
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PJmv2p7yx1pct3EsJM1RLiBmj58S3wzQFD

All of these accounts have been emptied into other accounts, following the blockchain trail around some of these other accounts have lots of deposits of 999998 PND into them (this is the maximum you can withdraw from bitrex at one time)
From what I can tell a lot of it ends up here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PQ1KbkoaEWdpYLfsaUGmbv5LmB7i1huL49
An account with 1.5 billion PND sitting in it, a substantial amount of PND. The blockchain trail is a mess and difficult to follow and of course he may have other further accounts on bittrex that haven't been emptied into ......

Hi MaNI, Hold your horses!

I'm affraid your assumptions are incorrect.

PQ1KbkoaEWdpYLfsaUGmbv5LmB7i1huL49 belongs to me and I am in no way associated with any PND devs.

Are you saying that it's not bdanyo's wallet, and it's not bdanyo manipulation?

what's up with that?

[VultureFund]

The reason why PND will not die is quite simple. There are no infinite PND, the pro dumpers and panic dumpers will soon run out of PND at these prices. Just during last month, MORE THAN 125 BTC has been invested in this coin and more than 25% of PND supply has changed of hands. Do you really think that this new "crazy" investors will simply let this die and forget about it?!

Rule number one in crypto: Buy when everyone says a coin is dead, sell when everyone says moon. Where is PND?

[slaithe]

quite a lot of action for something claimed to be dead. O.O

[Eastwind]

The reason why PND will not die is quite simple. There are no infinite PND, the pro dumpers and panic dumpers will soon run out of PND at these prices. Just during last month, MORE THAN 125 BTC has been invested in this coin and more than 25% of PND supply has changed of hands. Do you really think that this new "crazy" investors will simply let this die and forget about it?!

Rule number one in crypto: Buy when everyone says a coin is dead, sell when everyone says moon. Where is PND?

Why no infinite PND? Is PND a PoS coin with certain interest?

[dreambox700]

Dead! 

[VultureFund]

The reason why PND will not die is quite simple. There are no infinite PND, the pro dumpers and panic dumpers will soon run out of PND at these prices. Just during last month, MORE THAN 125 BTC has been invested in this coin and more than 25% of PND supply has changed of hands. Do you really think that this new "crazy" investors will simply let this die and forget about it?!

Rule number one in crypto: Buy when everyone says a coin is dead, sell when everyone says moon. Where is PND?

Why no infinite PND? Is PND a PoS coin with certain interest?

PoS with 2.5% yearly interest. Considering major cryptos inflation including BTC, we can say that PND is a limited supply coin.

[SellPNDforDOGE]

The reason why PND will not die is quite simple. There are no infinite PND, the pro dumpers and panic dumpers will soon run out of PND at these prices. Just during last month, MORE THAN 125 BTC has been invested in this coin and more than 25% of PND supply has changed of hands. Do you really think that this new "crazy" investors will simply let this die and forget about it?!

Rule number one in crypto: Buy when everyone says a coin is dead, sell when everyone says moon. Where is PND?

Vulture speaks the truth, stop selling your coins NOW!!! Your all being silly it's time to buy and not sell. The coin price can easily go over 10sat without much investment.

[rastab48]

Firstly, I do not doubt the sincerity of Mani's post(s). Secondly, I am not defending the devs (amdoge included) as I feel they have let the community down. That being said, there's a couple things I'd like to point out.

1) I do not believe PND's intention was ever to be a "pump and dump" coin. WAYYY to much work went into the coin for that to be the case imo. I remember when PND was trading for 4-5 liteoshi, and skyrocketed to 800. The dev team could have dumped then and made a killing... they didn't.

2) Assuming Mani's suspicions are correct and bdanyo has acquired ~4 billion PND at or around 1 satoshi... at today's BTC price that's nearly $12,000. That is not pocket change and it simply defies logic that ANYone would invest so much into a coin that appears to be on deaths door. You wouldn't front that much money with no faith it could be recovered.

3) Expanding on "way too much work": Pandacoin.org, the crypto crash course, hybrid wallets, reduced blockchain times, etc... that's a lot of innovations to just toss aside for a quick profit. If the whole intention was to scam people out of their money why bother with all this stuff? Just make a bunch of false promises and dump when everyone panic buys as has happened countless times in cryptos. Aside from the 100k merchants, every promise made was kept.


I'm not saying PND is or isn't dead, I'm just saying the whole shit doesn't make sense.

[Pelgoran98]

The reason why PND will not die is quite simple. There are no infinite PND, the pro dumpers and panic dumpers will soon run out of PND at these prices. Just during last month, MORE THAN 125 BTC has been invested in this coin and more than 25% of PND supply has changed of hands. Do you really think that this new "crazy" investors will simply let this die and forget about it?!

Rule number one in crypto: Buy when everyone says a coin is dead, sell when everyone says moon. Where is PND?

Vulture speaks the truth, stop selling your coins NOW!!! Your all being silly it's time to buy and not sell. The coin price can easily go over 10sat without much investment.

SellPNDforDOGE, you are a "Newbie" with such sage advice? I think not, dear.

[Tears on Dope]

The reason why PND will not die is quite simple. There are no infinite PND, the pro dumpers and panic dumpers will soon run out of PND at these prices. Just during last month, MORE THAN 125 BTC has been invested in this coin and more than 25% of PND supply has changed of hands. Do you really think that this new "crazy" investors will simply let this die and forget about it?!

Rule number one in crypto: Buy when everyone says a coin is dead, sell when everyone says moon. Where is PND?

Vulture speaks the truth, stop selling your coins NOW!!! Your all being silly it's time to buy and not sell. The coin price can easily go over 10sat without much investment.

SellPNDforDOGE, you are a "Newbie" with such sage advice? I think not, dear.

its amdoge she wont stop hiding in the closet

[milo69]

Firstly, I do not doubt the sincerity of Mani's post(s). Secondly, I am not defending the devs (amdoge included) as I feel they have let the community down. That being said, there's a couple things I'd like to point out.

1) I do not believe PND's intention was ever to be a "pump and dump" coin. WAYYY to much work went into the coin for that to be the case imo. I remember when PND was trading for 4-5 liteoshi, and skyrocketed to 800. The dev team could have dumped then and made a killing... they didn't.

2) Assuming Mani's suspicions are correct and bdanyo has acquired ~4 billion PND at or around 1 satoshi... at today's BTC price that's nearly $12,000. That is not pocket change and it simply defies logic that ANYone would invest so much into a coin that appears to be on deaths door. You wouldn't front that much money with no faith it could be recovered.

3) Expanding on "way too much work": Pandacoin.org, the crypto crash course, hybrid wallets, reduced blockchain times, etc... that's a lot of innovations to just toss aside for a quick profit. If the whole intention was to scam people out of their money why bother with all this stuff? Just make a bunch of false promises and dump when everyone panic buys as has happened countless times in cryptos. Aside from the 100k merchants, every promise made was kept.


I'm not saying PND is or isn't dead, I'm just saying the whole shit doesn't make sense.

Anyone with a modicum of hope  should read rastab's above post over and over and OVER again..  It's the most logical thing that has been posted in a while.

Building on the questions..  

Who was responsible for the biggest innovations? (i.e. switching from PoW to PoS? Was this amDOGE? If so, it would be good to hear from her, not an alias, etc. to find out what plans she supposedly had for the coin, and if she is still motivated to see any future innovations brought to PND)

There is NO way that all of the assets of PND were orchestrated for the purpose of financial scam. I don't think it would have been possible to even cash in on it, because there simply isn't enough volume to trade huge blocks like that. Whoever were the original devs,  they created something with some real belief behind it. You can't make a wallet like this, all the website details, innovation to the coin code, etc., as an arm-chair hobby. That took a lot of time and investment from a few good / great people.

The real question is, even if they are gone, when the dust finally settles, can we eventually find a new group of people that are willing to continue developing  VALUE ADDED FEATURES that inherently brought visibility to the last re-birth of PND?  You can't market a coin if it's a shit coin.  PND isn't a shit coin..  Get a new group of devs with some real motivation to INNOVATE.  Get past this setback, cut through the nonsense, and the coin will have a new day.  

Who owns all of the assets of PND?  Who contributed the most to it's development? If the answer is amDOGE, I find it puzzling to say the least why someone with so much talent and ability remains in silence when she has the biggest voice in determining what if any possible next steps exist.  If she has checked out, she could at least offer to hand over the code and website controls to the community, and let someone step up to the plate to take it in a new direction.

[Joori]

Whilst PND will not die due to it's reasonable inflation and people staking the coin. The fact remains, that without a proper wallet dev to iron out bugs (which there are) and bring new features (as they were planned), there isn't really much left for the coin except wait for someone to pump it or w/e.

PND brang about alot of innovation, some of which BTC has even started using, such as their increased sync capabilities in their latest release. You could spend some of the coin @ coinpayments such as one fellow did buying up 60m worth of stuff tho the owner of the store now finds himself in a pickle and unable to trade that coin for btc.

The top address holds just over 2.3bn pnd, the top 5 collectively hold just under 20% and the top 100 hold roughly 63% of the total supply. +/- a few %. At the end of the day, you're free to do as you please but don't count on any of the original dev's/contributors to advance coin development any further as I doubt they want to now.

amDOGE won't make any statements, at least that's the vibe on irc, so i wouldn't hold my breath for that. From what is understood she/he overseas the builds which were a chore to get him/her to do anyway come release time. Mani is/was the driving force behind code development for the wallet, everything you see from the time the wallet became Pandabank is pretty much Mani's doing... Source would be released for building which amDOGE was in charge of (win/linux/mac) and that would take quite a bit of nagging to get done from what i hear. amDOGE is the founder and that's pretty much it as far as development goes. Multiple attempts have been made for an 'official' statement but none have been produced so far and i doubt one will be... I'm pretty sure there will be no future developments unless someone wants to continue developing the coin and steps up to the plate, however you'd have to also get all the accounts associated with the coin such as social media and the like. For that, you'd have to directly ask amDOGE/pandacoin-official if you can catch him/her online

It's sad when a good coin gets screwed like this especially when so much has gone into it but you win some and you lose some i guess... But all that aside, the coin was created to fight and kill wolong's scam coin and it did that relatively easily and effectively so i guess you could say, it's done it's purpose.

Just my 2 PND (i actually have 2 pnd left cause of silly rounding bug in the wallet).