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[mtrycz]

Firstly, I do not doubt the sincerity of Mani's post(s). Secondly, I am not defending the devs (amdoge included) as I feel they have let the community down. That being said, there's a couple things I'd like to point out.

1) I do not believe PND's intention was ever to be a "pump and dump" coin. WAYYY to much work went into the coin for that to be the case imo. I remember when PND was trading for 4-5 liteoshi, and skyrocketed to 800. The dev team could have dumped then and made a killing... they didn't.

2) Assuming Mani's suspicions are correct and bdanyo has acquired ~4 billion PND at or around 1 satoshi... at today's BTC price that's nearly $12,000. That is not pocket change and it simply defies logic that ANYone would invest so much into a coin that appears to be on deaths door. You wouldn't front that much money with no faith it could be recovered.

3) Expanding on "way too much work": Pandacoin.org, the crypto crash course, hybrid wallets, reduced blockchain times, etc... that's a lot of innovations to just toss aside for a quick profit. If the whole intention was to scam people out of their money why bother with all this stuff? Just make a bunch of false promises and dump when everyone panic buys as has happened countless times in cryptos. Aside from the 100k merchants, every promise made was kept.


I'm not saying PND is or isn't dead, I'm just saying the whole shit doesn't make sense.

That's exactly how I feel at this point.

8(

[teastman1000]

What? Who is still working for the others? MaNI? Nope he is going to another coin.

LOL,
his whole purpose was to cause the PND is dead Dump,
just a cover story to trick the clueless.
They are playing you dude, read between the lines.
Read their forums from the beginning, this is like the 3rd time they have played the investors.

Whose forums? How do you know this?

[fusi0n]

Hey all,

It is with much sadness that I find myself having to make this announcement, usually I am a builder and do everything in my power to encourage people to carry on, and to bring hope, and that it is what I have tried to do over the last few weeks.
So it is difficult to find myself in a position where I am instead going to reverse my position and tell people to give up on something and cut their losses before they are hurt further. However there are things that must be said and based on these things I feel it is now the best course of action, the only ethical thing for me to do is to advise people against investing any further time or money in this coin.


Firstly, you will have noticed that despite my ultimatum and various impationed pleading on IRC by various community members that have given their all to their coins, amDOGE continues to flirt all responsibility, ignore everyone and won't make a basic statement. This is of course not a good sign for the coin, though nobody expects much from her ignoring people like a child at the time when the coin needs leadership is a disgrace and an insult to everyone who places trust in her.

Anyway unfortunately that isn't even what this post is about, there is more.
In my previous communications I stated that after dissapearing bdanyos accounts remained dormant - and that based on this and other things we could not believe that he was a scammer, as such myself and ozzke believed that something bad may have happened to him as it did not make sense.
Unfortunately this situation has changed, this weekend I decided to dig up the account information and look at it again, and to my surprise - at almost the same time as I made my announcement (around 4-5 March) about what was going on - the bdanyo accounts all sprung into action.
You can see them here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PNsD4AfYexQtuVRApcXyfjYAqZwPvagsLf
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBYhqaA3YFbc1LXKTDpPFqBqPMP33eSiQE
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBMjW35Ur4BpzQQ2V7sN5yqHMqqZhoY2De
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PSXKAXtZgRbdzcdNcE29UCZZ25wcHPsQpG
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PJmv2p7yx1pct3EsJM1RLiBmj58S3wzQFD

All of these accounts have been emptied into other accounts, following the blockchain trail around some of these other accounts have lots of deposits of 999998 PND into them (this is the maximum you can withdraw from bitrex at one time)
From what I can tell a lot of it ends up here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PQ1KbkoaEWdpYLfsaUGmbv5LmB7i1huL49
An account with 1.5 billion PND sitting in it, a substantial amount of PND. The blockchain trail is a mess and difficult to follow and of course he may have other further accounts on bittrex that haven't been emptied into ......

Hi MaNI, Hold your horses!

I'm affraid your assumptions are incorrect.

PQ1KbkoaEWdpYLfsaUGmbv5LmB7i1huL49 belongs to me and I am in no way associated with any PND devs.

Are you saying that it's not bdanyo's wallet, and it's not bdanyo manipulation?

what's up with that?

MaNI has made some major assumptions in his post and as a result caused even more panic in the community.

As I said that address belongs to me and can prove it (if required in this ever non-believing crypto world)

[fusi0n]

Firstly, I do not doubt the sincerity of Mani's post(s). Secondly, I am not defending the devs (amdoge included) as I feel they have let the community down. That being said, there's a couple things I'd like to point out.

1) I do not believe PND's intention was ever to be a "pump and dump" coin. WAYYY to much work went into the coin for that to be the case imo. I remember when PND was trading for 4-5 liteoshi, and skyrocketed to 800. The dev team could have dumped then and made a killing... they didn't.

2) Assuming Mani's suspicions are correct and bdanyo has acquired ~4 billion PND at or around 1 satoshi... at today's BTC price that's nearly $12,000. That is not pocket change and it simply defies logic that ANYone would invest so much into a coin that appears to be on deaths door. You wouldn't front that much money with no faith it could be recovered.

3) Expanding on "way too much work": Pandacoin.org, the crypto crash course, hybrid wallets, reduced blockchain times, etc... that's a lot of innovations to just toss aside for a quick profit. If the whole intention was to scam people out of their money why bother with all this stuff? Just make a bunch of false promises and dump when everyone panic buys as has happened countless times in cryptos. Aside from the 100k merchants, every promise made was kept.


I'm not saying PND is or isn't dead, I'm just saying the whole shit doesn't make sense.

Some sense right here!

[SellPNDforDOGE]

Firstly, I do not doubt the sincerity of Mani's post(s). Secondly, I am not defending the devs (amdoge included) as I feel they have let the community down. That being said, there's a couple things I'd like to point out.

1) I do not believe PND's intention was ever to be a "pump and dump" coin. WAYYY to much work went into the coin for that to be the case imo. I remember when PND was trading for 4-5 liteoshi, and skyrocketed to 800. The dev team could have dumped then and made a killing... they didn't.

2) Assuming Mani's suspicions are correct and bdanyo has acquired ~4 billion PND at or around 1 satoshi... at today's BTC price that's nearly $12,000. That is not pocket change and it simply defies logic that ANYone would invest so much into a coin that appears to be on deaths door. You wouldn't front that much money with no faith it could be recovered.

3) Expanding on "way too much work": Pandacoin.org, the crypto crash course, hybrid wallets, reduced blockchain times, etc... that's a lot of innovations to just toss aside for a quick profit. If the whole intention was to scam people out of their money why bother with all this stuff? Just make a bunch of false promises and dump when everyone panic buys as has happened countless times in cryptos. Aside from the 100k merchants, every promise made was kept.


I'm not saying PND is or isn't dead, I'm just saying the whole shit doesn't make sense.

Some sense right here!

fusi0n is the smartest person in this community besides amDoge. fusi0n speaks the truth and has no reason to hype the coin. Listen to him. 1 million PND is so cheap now, just buy some and you could be a real millionaire one day. Take the risk.

[sonihr]

fusi0n is the smartest person in this community besides amDoge. fusi0n speaks the truth and has no reason to hype the coin. Listen to him. 1 million PND is so cheap now, just buy some and you could be a real millionaire one day. Take the risk.

So from what you are saying we need to buy PND then sell it for DOGE?

Are you confused with all your fake accounts?

[STOPBEINGREEDY]

Firstly, I do not doubt the sincerity of Mani's post(s). Secondly, I am not defending the devs (amdoge included) as I feel they have let the community down. That being said, there's a couple things I'd like to point out.

1) I do not believe PND's intention was ever to be a "pump and dump" coin. WAYYY to much work went into the coin for that to be the case imo. I remember when PND was trading for 4-5 liteoshi, and skyrocketed to 800. The dev team could have dumped then and made a killing... they didn't.

2) Assuming Mani's suspicions are correct and bdanyo has acquired ~4 billion PND at or around 1 satoshi... at today's BTC price that's nearly $12,000. That is not pocket change and it simply defies logic that ANYone would invest so much into a coin that appears to be on deaths door. You wouldn't front that much money with no faith it could be recovered.

3) Expanding on "way too much work": Pandacoin.org, the crypto crash course, hybrid wallets, reduced blockchain times, etc... that's a lot of innovations to just toss aside for a quick profit. If the whole intention was to scam people out of their money why bother with all this stuff? Just make a bunch of false promises and dump when everyone panic buys as has happened countless times in cryptos. Aside from the 100k merchants, every promise made was kept.


I'm not saying PND is or isn't dead, I'm just saying the whole shit doesn't make sense.

This moment is extremely sad. What happened to the dev team was simple burnout under all the work which was done without regular pay. And they all bdanyo ozzke and amdoge did amazingly well. the only thing to keep em going really was guts alone and hope that rewards will come when PND finally grows in value. Guys, guts and beleif in a cause do not pay bills and put food on the table. Remember that bitcoin received highlevel funding from the winklevoss twins. and the likes of litecoin and dogecoin frankly dont seem to have the ambition that our original devs were actively pouring into Pandacoin. It was burnout and lack of real investment that has brought Pnd coin to this place. IT WAS NOT AN INTENTION TO SCAM. If anyone is going to try and revive this coin (i really hope some good people with the neccessary skills step up)......There must be transparency/communication at everyturn...constant honesty about how much workload is too much for one person...and everyone of the old dev team must be spoken to and about with a little respect. negative words only ever place the speaker on the same level as the object of their criticism. those who are going to lead us forward (if thats possible and i hope it is) need to also lead us in a positive team spirit.
PND for me has been the most inspiring crypto coin since the battle against wolong and everything scammers stand for began.
i also remember when asiacoin bagholders were offered compensation by pnd community (good times). nothing more to be said. whats done is done. must move forward. It's damn hard to let go though. thats my 2cents worth.

[Pelgoran98]

Firstly, I do not doubt the sincerity of Mani's post(s). Secondly, I am not defending the devs (amdoge included) as I feel they have let the community down. That being said, there's a couple things I'd like to point out.

1) I do not believe PND's intention was ever to be a "pump and dump" coin. WAYYY to much work went into the coin for that to be the case imo. I remember when PND was trading for 4-5 liteoshi, and skyrocketed to 800. The dev team could have dumped then and made a killing... they didn't.

2) Assuming Mani's suspicions are correct and bdanyo has acquired ~4 billion PND at or around 1 satoshi... at today's BTC price that's nearly $12,000. That is not pocket change and it simply defies logic that ANYone would invest so much into a coin that appears to be on deaths door. You wouldn't front that much money with no faith it could be recovered.

3) Expanding on "way too much work": Pandacoin.org, the crypto crash course, hybrid wallets, reduced blockchain times, etc... that's a lot of innovations to just toss aside for a quick profit. If the whole intention was to scam people out of their money why bother with all this stuff? Just make a bunch of false promises and dump when everyone panic buys as has happened countless times in cryptos. Aside from the 100k merchants, every promise made was kept.


I'm not saying PND is or isn't dead, I'm just saying the whole shit doesn't make sense.

This moment is extremely sad. What happened to the dev team was simple burnout under all the work which was done without regular pay. And they all bdanyo ozzke and amdoge did amazingly well. the only thing to keep em going really was guts alone and hope that rewards will come when PND finally grows in value. Guys, guts and beleif in a cause do not pay bills and put food on the table. Remember that bitcoin received highlevel funding from the winklevoss twins. and the likes of litecoin and dogecoin frankly dont seem to have the ambition that our original devs were actively pouring into Pandacoin. It was burnout and lack of real investment that has brought Pnd coin to this place. IT WAS NOT AN INTENTION TO SCAM. If anyone is going to try and revive this coin (i really hope some good people with the neccessary skills step up)......There must be transparency/communication at everyturn...constant honesty about how much workload is too much for one person...and everyone of the old dev team must be spoken to and about with a little respect. negative words only ever place the speaker on the same level as the object of their criticism. those who are going to lead us forward (if thats possible and i hope it is) need to also lead us in a positive team spirit.
PND for me has been the most inspiring crypto coin since the battle against wolong and everything scammers stand for began.
i also remember when asiacoin bagholders were offered compensation by pnd community (good times). nothing more to be said. whats done is done. must move forward. It's damn hard to let go though. thats my 2cents worth.

I find it so remarkably odd that there are these sudden "thunder posts" of soulful and economic advice, etc. from all these "newbies." Oh yeah, SellPNDforDOGE, it'll be so easy to get back to 10 sat so you can prosper. My ass. That's just a hard one to believe. It's just like the situation in general: who can you trust? Nobody. What on Earth makes you think PND or any OTHER coin, new, old, or in-between will ever be any different, including the second coming of Jesus, Bitcoin? Human nature makes certain that greed will, in the end, rule the day. Every fucking time. You can't control people. You can't guilt 'em into not pumping and dumping. It's no different than anything else: buy low, sell high. Manipulate the market and its suckers as much as absofuckinglutely possible to that end. Step on heads & necks. It's cool. How do you think the Stock Market works?! And it's all about the scam there. Same here. Again, I'm just holding my stash to be a contrarian. I know it'll never be worth a damn. I'm keepin' it around as a souvenir for what might have been, and as a reminder to quit conning myself. My last point forever: there is no such thing as transparency, or people who you do not personally know that you should ever trust.

[rastab48]

I may be a "newbie" in post count but if you check my profile I've been a registered member since Aug 2014 (which is, btw, several months before YOU registered), and I've been lurking bctalk far longer than that. Excuse the fuck outta me for not meeting your standards.

[Maurizio]

Oh also Pelogran98 lost his faith now, told you all that 2 weeks ago...

[SellPNDforDOGE]

I want to give everyone some good advice , remove your coins off the exchanges and start staking. This way you can let the buys push the price up easily, there is still plenty buyers wanting some Panda. Then when price at 1000 sat you can start to sell your coins.

[STOPBEINGREEDY]

Firstly, I do not doubt the sincerity of Mani's post(s). Secondly, I am not defending the devs (amdoge included) as I feel they have let the community down. That being said, there's a couple things I'd like to point out.

1) I do not believe PND's intention was ever to be a "pump and dump" coin. WAYYY to much work went into the coin for that to be the case imo. I remember when PND was trading for 4-5 liteoshi, and skyrocketed to 800. The dev team could have dumped then and made a killing... they didn't.

2) Assuming Mani's suspicions are correct and bdanyo has acquired ~4 billion PND at or around 1 satoshi... at today's BTC price that's nearly $12,000. That is not pocket change and it simply defies logic that ANYone would invest so much into a coin that appears to be on deaths door. You wouldn't front that much money with no faith it could be recovered.

3) Expanding on "way too much work": Pandacoin.org, the crypto crash course, hybrid wallets, reduced blockchain times, etc... that's a lot of innovations to just toss aside for a quick profit. If the whole intention was to scam people out of their money why bother with all this stuff? Just make a bunch of false promises and dump when everyone panic buys as has happened countless times in cryptos. Aside from the 100k merchants, every promise made was kept.


I'm not saying PND is or isn't dead, I'm just saying the whole shit doesn't make sense.

This moment is extremely sad. What happened to the dev team was simple burnout under all the work which was done without regular pay. And they all bdanyo ozzke and amdoge did amazingly well. the only thing to keep em going really was guts alone and hope that rewards will come when PND finally grows in value. Guys, guts and beleif in a cause do not pay bills and put food on the table. Remember that bitcoin received highlevel funding from the winklevoss twins. and the likes of litecoin and dogecoin frankly dont seem to have the ambition that our original devs were actively pouring into Pandacoin. It was burnout and lack of real investment that has brought Pnd coin to this place. IT WAS NOT AN INTENTION TO SCAM. If anyone is going to try and revive this coin (i really hope some good people with the neccessary skills step up)......There must be transparency/communication at everyturn...constant honesty about how much workload is too much for one person...and everyone of the old dev team must be spoken to and about with a little respect. negative words only ever place the speaker on the same level as the object of their criticism. those who are going to lead us forward (if thats possible and i hope it is) need to also lead us in a positive team spirit.
PND for me has been the most inspiring crypto coin since the battle against wolong and everything scammers stand for began.
i also remember when asiacoin bagholders were offered compensation by pnd community (good times). nothing more to be said. whats done is done. must move forward. It's damn hard to let go though. thats my 2cents worth.

I find it so remarkably odd that there are these sudden "thunder posts" of soulful and economic advice, etc. from all these "newbies." Oh yeah, SellPNDforDOGE, it'll be so easy to get back to 10 sat so you can prosper. My ass. That's just a hard one to believe. It's just like the situation in general: who can you trust? Nobody. What on Earth makes you think PND or any OTHER coin, new, old, or in-between will ever be any different, including the second coming of Jesus, Bitcoin? Human nature makes certain that greed will, in the end, rule the day. Every fucking time. You can't control people. You can't guilt 'em into not pumping and dumping. It's no different than anything else: buy low, sell high. Manipulate the market and its suckers as much as absofuckinglutely possible to that end. Step on heads & necks. It's cool. How do you think the Stock Market works?! And it's all about the scam there. Same here. Again, I'm just holding my stash to be a contrarian. I know it'll never be worth a damn. I'm keepin' it around as a souvenir for what might have been, and as a reminder to quit conning myself. My last point forever: there is no such thing as transparency, or people who you do not personally know that you should ever trust.

Hey Pelgoran....check my profile and you will see that I registered in April 2014.  I took interest in crypto just before dogecoin was created when the list on coinmarketcap.com was only about 30 coins long.  Not every newbie account is as suspect as sellPNDforDOGE.  Have never dumped my PND and am still holding. ...and I choose to not be cynical and to keep believing the best about people but at the same time to always take precautions (as much as I deem necessary) against the worst in all of us. Simply cos am not entirely blind. Not every fan of PND has been as involved as you pelgoran and that's a shame...but it's also life. But I Definately acknowledge that all of us who are silent and in the background owe those who are leading,  yes people like yourself pelgoran and dare I say it even amdoge/sellpndfordoge,  a big debt of gratitude for all the input that went into this coin before the workload broke the few people who were willing to be in birth and get this project off the ground.  As crazy as the situation has become PND coin does not in anyway fit the m.o of a scamcoin.  I daresay the larger community who were not actively involved (of whom I am part of) took everything for granted and  we never considered that those leading us were carrying too much on their own.  I don't hate anyone from the pnd team The way I hated woLong.

[STOPBEINGREEDY]

Perhaps/also/maybe those of you who were active in this PND project and never went sour have more of a right to be angry with amdoge and bdanyo?
but Definately for me I choose to be extremely slow on judging anyone so long as I have never been in their shoes.  And like I said...i choose to be as positive as possible about people but at the same time I do take my own precautions against the worst in all of us...just sayin.

[PhiPhi]

As a now somewhat impartial observer those who know me or at least know my online persona will also know that I was a staunch supporter and recently tried to make active contributions to PND.  I don't believe for a minute PND was set up as a scam coin but let's just say mistakes were made and problems should have come to light earlier.

Regardless I strongly believe PND is in a death like grip from the professional manipulators and pump & dumpers.  At this stage it's not about the coin or loyalty it's about how many more victims are these professional parasites going to rack up.  They all come out of the shadows urging, pleading and begging you to buy at 1 sat so they can kick start their next pump.  The fundamentals of PND were good but these rats dumped us all the way to 1 sat without mercy, every now and then the pressure would ease off to give hope then sell walls reappear starting a few sats up then slowly sliding down so not to draw too much attention.

I'm not here to tell anybody what to do only to ask that you be very skeptical of all claims and posts regarding buying or holding advice (including mine as I'm no expert), just don't feed these greedy predators.  The only viable plan that I've seen is from Argon18 not his ridiculous ranting but his financial advice starve them and even bleed them until they lose interest.

Goodluck guys.

[VultureFund]

It's amazing how the same pattern manipulation repeats over and over again, and still works!!

Just think a moment, if you had some billions of PND, and you wanted to abandone the project and say goodbye, what would you do? Would you slowly sell your PND for hundreds of BTC or would you crash the market and try to sell all at 1 sat, when everyone is afraid to buy??

Then, why it's happening the second and "idiot" version? A billions PND holder can't be idiot, so he would not do that in any case. But what if the purpose was another? What if the purpose is to "virtually" kill PND and force the afraid mass to sell their PND at ridiculous 1 sat, to ressurrect later?

Can you follow me? During last half a year big PND whales had been selling tons of PND for tons of BTC, and now they decide to kill the gold eggs chicken. It doesn't make any sense, UNLESS their plan is to buy all those billions of PND that they sold at 5-20 sats range and buy them at ridiculous 1 sat!!! The bussiness of the year!

I have no doubt that this is their plan, and certainly it's working. Look at that, already 1.6 Billion PND order at 1 sat. They surely will wait a little bit more people to panic and then BOOM! Billions of PND will be bought at 1 sat and 2 sats and the PND cycle will start again!

[cadexn]

1. Buy PND at 1 sat
2. Convince people in this thread that PND is gonna survive and hit the moon
3. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
4. PROFIT

Who's in the group:

VultureFund
SellPNDforDOGE
PNDisDEAD


who else?

[PNDPumperWhale]

You are ALL an absolute moron if you do not buy this coin.
This coin hsa had some of the best pumps i have ever seen .
i hold two billion myseld and control the market somewhat
buy this coin NOW before I decided to pump it to the moon
YOU WILL MISS OUT AND FEEL FOOL

THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN MISSING OUT ON A GOOD PMUP

1. Buy PND at 1 sat
2. Convince people in this thread that PND is gonna survive and hit the moon
3. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
4. PROFIT

Who's in the group:

VultureFund
SellPNDforDOGE
PNDisDEAD


who else?

this guy i have seen in irc and he is asian and nonsense i hear he east insects

[cadexn]

1. Buy PND at 1 sat
2. Convince people in this thread that PND is gonna survive and hit the moon
3. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
4. PROFIT

Who's in the group:

VultureFund
SellPNDforDOGE
PNDisDEAD
PNDPumperWhale


who else?

Welcome PNDPumperWhale to the group!

[VDechand]

I think, PND neets a greater reach. I thought on a 24h lifestream. In this lifestream i/you plays the pandacoin snake game. The people must speaking about pandacoin and with this methde we can get new pandafriends.

[cadexn]

You are ALL an absolute moron if you do not buy this coin.
This coin hsa had some of the best pumps i have ever seen .
i hold two billion myseld and control the market somewhat
buy this coin NOW before I decided to pump it to the moon
YOU WILL MISS OUT AND FEEL FOOL

THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN MISSING OUT ON A GOOD PMUP

1. Buy PND at 1 sat
2. Convince people in this thread that PND is gonna survive and hit the moon
3. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
4. PROFIT

Who's in the group:

VultureFund
SellPNDforDOGE
PNDisDEAD


who else?

this guy i have seen in irc and he is asian and nonsense i hear he east insects

Your English is too good on the first paragraph for you to try and pretend to be some foreigner on your last line. try harder bdanyo or whoever you are