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March 28, 2025, 08:41:24 PM
 #1421

Congrats for buying the .net domain name. I've used exch.net in Tor it redirects to your onion site. What's the plan for your existing exch.cx name are you phasing it out ? It doesn't look like a good thing if you're going to use more than 1 domain address.


OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE PERMANENT DOMAIN CHANGE

Dear users, our website's official domain name starting today becomes exch.net

Our email is still operating on the exch.cx domain till the further announcement is made.

Thank you,

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March 28, 2025, 10:21:17 PM
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Congrats for buying the .net domain name. I've used exch.net in Tor it redirects to your onion site. What's the plan for your existing exch.cx name are you phasing it out ? It doesn't look like a good thing if you're going to use more than 1 domain address.
It is currently redirected to the .net domain to make the transition as safe as possible. It is certainly best that eXch continues to keep the old .cx domain in its control and not risk leaving it to scammers, as happened with the old .cc domain, which was only recently suspended.

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March 29, 2025, 08:22:44 AM
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Yes, we update this list whenever necessary; exchanges have already been added and removed from the list since it was first published (e.g. ByBit or MEXC have recently been removed).
I am glad to hear that you are making changes when it's needed.
Your mixed and aggregated pools are for bitcoin only. What about other assets that your exchange supports? For instance, ether and USDT. What risk score is given to these coins that come out of your address now, particularly after the Bybit hack and the tag visible above your address on Ethetscan? Has it affected eXch in any way? 

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March 29, 2025, 10:04:43 AM
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I hadn't noticed .cx domain redirects. It's recommended eXch's redirecting their domains because they'll get used to the transitions after ppl notice they're redirected to .net address. If they use it a few times they'll start using .net domain without redirection & link eXch with one address.

 
Congrats for buying the .net domain name. I've used exch.net in Tor it redirects to your onion site. What's the plan for your existing exch.cx name are you phasing it out ? It doesn't look like a good thing if you're going to use more than 1 domain address.
It is currently redirected to the .net domain to make the transition as safe as possible. It is certainly best that eXch continues to keep the old .cx domain in its control and not risk leaving it to scammers, as happened with the old .cc domain, which was only recently suspended.

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 #1425

We are excited to announce our donation of 2 BTC to the developer of the MMGen multicurrency wallet in the transaction ID b97638e1c0de516e99689034fa303ca205b5dffbd67848beb3f01bf9b3829d59

This wallet is being actively developed since 2014 and received almost no donations or community attention since that it deserves. This donation is to express our appreciation to its author for their continuous work for past 11 years. We have also added it to the wallet recommendation section on our website.

Official thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=567069.0
Official website: https://mmgen-wallet.cc
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March 29, 2025, 12:17:29 PM
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This wallet is being actively developed since 2014 and received almost no donations or community attention since that it deserves.
What's your take on gmaxwell's negative feedback on the account promoting that wallet?

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Today I received 0.3 BTC as a donation from eXch, I did not expect this when I was working on this bot.
I express my deep gratitude for the support, part of these funds will go to the development of a more important project.


I will send this message here as well.

This is not a small amount of money.
In fact, I could never expect this, but as you can see, this is reality.. What I did is not even close to what I was get as a donation, I just want to know how much eXch supports other people's initiatives.
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March 30, 2025, 12:44:25 PM
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This is a very welcome news.
I have some degree of uncertainty when moving to a less known wallet. I have a few concern about the battle testing of the software and the external auditing on a less known alternative.
But of course I support initiative to develop and improve new software.

This wallet is being actively developed since 2014 and received almost no donations or community attention since that it deserves.
What's your take on gmaxwell's negative feedback on the account promoting that wallet?
This is interesting.

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Why do you find it interesting when it appears there's no real discussion between gmaxwell and the wallet's author? gmaxwell may've had some valid points, some where addressed by the author, some were opposed.

I find it hard to judge when there's no followable exchange of arguments and appropriate discussion.

And frankly gmaxwell doesn't present a lot of evidence for his judgement of the author and the wallet, does he? His post is short, enumerates some points of critisism and that's basically it, no more interaction in the [ANN] MMGen, a  complete Bitcoin command-line online/offline wallet solution.

OK, I haven't audited the code, nor am I really qualified to do it. To me gmaxwell's post looks more like a rant when you had a bad day and stood up with your left foot, stepping at the wrong angle and force on some leftover LEGO bricks when you didn't expect them to be on the floor. We all know how that hurts...

I'm stretching my imagination here for sure. In most cases, I value gmaxwell's contributions in this forum. In this case, I find his negative flag and missing explanatory evidence for it quite the opposite.

DYOR and some less known wallet software for sure needs more eyes and auditing on it. Open-source multi-coin wallets are rare, persistent developers improving even such less known projects need more attention.

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Why do you find it interesting when it appears there's no real discussion between gmaxwell and the wallet's author? gmaxwell may've had some valid points, some where addressed by the author, some were opposed.
I hold gmaxwell in high regard, although in this case the feedback doesn't look very convincing. But I'm no expert on coding, which is why I'm curious to see OP's opinion on it (which I also hold in high regard).

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gmaxwell's post looks more like a rant when you had a bad day and stood up with your left foot, stepping at the wrong angle and force on some leftover LEGO bricks
Lol. If the feedback turns out to be invalid, he may be willing to remove it by now.

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 #1431

Marian Muller from Caudena: "There is no room in our industry for bad actors such as eXch that undermine the integrity of the crypto ecosystem and knowingly process transactions known to fund North Korea’s regime."

https://caudena.com/exch-analysing-the-infrastructure-of-north-koreas-favourite-mixing-service/

So it seems now random people like Marian Muller from Caudena decide who can be in the industry and who can't; thus, next time you think of opening an exchange, don't forget to ask for Marian Muller's permission.

But in reality, we would like to address Marian's lies, as he seems to be a very incompetent researcher content writer who constructs his opinion based on the opinions of other, even more incompetent researchers, and prefers to throw dirt at our service instead of doing his own research and appealing to facts.


On calling us a mixer:

Marian argued in his article that just because we accept money from mixers, it makes us a mixer, which is a very common fallacy that newbies in this industry take.

We would like to remind Marian that the fact a service accepts funds from mixers doesn't make it a mixer at all.

eXch is an exchange that doesn't consider mixing services and privacy protocols illegal and has the full right to process money from them.

We accept funds from non-banned (that translates to non-OFAC-listed) centralized mixers and CoinJoin protocols that are totally legal outside the U.S., where we don't operate.

We also accept funds from Tornado Cash because it's not illegal anymore.

We accept Monero after all.

If you think mixers are illegal or have any problem with us accepting money from mixers, it's merely your problem, and you should seek medical help from your psychiatrist, instead of trying to speak on behalf of the whole industry.


On counting our deposit addresses that go into the thousands:

Yes, we are an exchange. Exchanges use individual and unique deposit addresses per customer. We have thousands of customers. It's surprising that the author didn't know how exchanges work prior to publishing his article.

However, you were only able to count them because we allowed you to. We were using static aggregation addresses for transparency reasons without trying to hide anything (and in order to not be called a mixer), but it seems in this industry the more transparent and honest you are, the more scrutiny you will get.


On us "heavily" depending on Thorchain:

Marian's infographics that falsely misrepresent eXch as the originator of some Thorchain transactions do not represent the truth at all. There are many lesser-known other services that use Thorchain as well, and some people, like Marian, thinking all transactions in the network that don't use affiliation handles belong to eXch is a common fallacy.

Our Thorchain usage is really minor in comparison to our own assets' daily movements, and there are some exceptions when we move 30-50 BTC between our wallets to rebalance our liquidity that happen 1-2 times a month.


On the lack of evidence in Marian's article:

The article doesn't represent any factual appeals, instead relying on some screenshots of his custom NodeJS site that is built to represent eXch in a bad light for the purposes of writing that article.

We have analyzed the information represented in these screenshots against our own statistics and found nothing nearly comparable to what it says about us.

With this exact approach used by that writer, you can take Binance or ByBit's addresses, grab their volume numbers, and divide them into blocks of good and bad transactions, which actually proves nothing.


On eXch being North Korea’s favorite mixing service:

With this toddler-level of statements, Marian could as well call us fascists and burn some Teslas, similar to what people who hate Elon Musk do.

The fact we processed a very low amount of the total ByBit hack doesn't make us anyone's favorite service. The fact that Elliptic has refused us as a customer due to their elitist policies when a year ago we tried to adopt the policy of rejecting stolen funds by refunding them to the sender should concern him more than us processing some small portion of hacked funds from ByBit, which we admitted already in our previous publications.

But honestly we don't need to, because we don't consider opinion of people such as Marian Muller or his peers any coherent and will continue to do what we find best for the industry, which is shielding people seeking some privacy on-chain from people like Marian.


Conclusion:

The article published on Caudena about eXch was written by an unprofessional blogger whose intention was rather to represent eXch in a bad light than to provide facts.

We at eXch believe there is no room in our industry for such bad researchers and liars as Caudena, which allows scum like Marian Muller to write accusatory articles without foundation, like he wrote about us in an attempt to sell himself to federal agencies as an investigator.

Such misrepresentations can seriously harm the ecosystem and mislead law enforcement authorities, which can be dangerous for the industry.


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March 30, 2025, 07:12:23 PM
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 #1432

I'm a curious person so I wanted to know a little more about this Marian Muller. Another pro-KYC, pro-AML, pro-international-sanctions advocate...

In September 2017 he wrote in a post on Linkedin that he believes “Bitcoin shines in two key use cases: International transfers for the unbanked and financially excluded, and as a store of value.” Financially excluded people, right? He's so interested in their fate that when a non-KYC exchange like eXch just does its job as an exchange, it becomes a mixer (the "M-word" of cryptospace!) - just because it refuses to check whether users are Financially excluded or not (because when they're excluded, they should be refused e.v.e.r.y.w.h.e.r.e!).

In the same Linkedin post he explains how happy he was to have found Reza on his trip to Iran, to exchange BTC for FIAT (his bank card didn't work in Iran).



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The thousand-dollar question: Tell us Marian, how would Reza do without services like eXch as an Iranian citizen?

Does he know that people like him, who promote KYC and AML checks at every turn, contribute to isolating people like Reza? How would Reza conduct its business internationally if everyone was following Marian's demands?
Can Reza use Binance, Coinbase, Kraken, or any regulated CEX? Not at all.

Why does he now want those who are “financially excluded” by big banking and globalized groups to be financially excluded by crypto exchanges as well?
Wasn't it practical for these “excluded” people to have existing and doable solutions to give him FIAT for BTC when his bank card didn't work while he was on vacation? I know Bitcoin is P2P by nature, but how would he have found Reza if localbitcoin had imposed KYC at the time?

I'm going to quote his cheesy backpacker post on Linkedin again:

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Of course this may not be an option forever — if sanctions are taken seriously, increased regulations might at some point exclude countries like Iran from international cryptocurrency transfers. But for now, Bitcoin is providing many people in Iran with opportunities they would not usually have access to. Not only did I get to experience a real-world use case of how Bitcoin is helping local entrepreneurs grow their businesses, but also how it can help idiotically naïve tourists like me survive in a financially excluded country.

Looks like things have changed a lot in Marian's mind since 2017... Reading his recent blog post about eXch, I conclude eXch should therefore apply all the international sanctions imposed by the US/Western world. On the other hand, when it comes to cheap vacations in Tehran hostels, sanctions shoud no longer exist..

TLDR: For Marian Muller, over-regulation and surveillance are good for earning a living, but when it comes to go on vacation and his privileged Westerner's bank card doesn't work, then he's happy for people to benefit from unregulated services he's paid to defame in everyday life. Making money by rotting the lives of certain peoples, then spending this money in their countries because it's cheap: that says a lot about his integrity.

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NOTIFICATION OF UPCOMING CHANGES

[April 2025] eXch is about to merge with a company in another jurisdiction and leave the company in Belize. We will have new shareholders and new members on the management board. This merger is related to our decision to sell half of our company in order to reduce risks for our founding team and guarantee that we can continue operating without giving up our values. Our new partners are longtime Bitcoin and privacy enthusiasts whom we trust.

[April 2025] We are aware that there is an ongoing operation targeting our service by some law enforcement agencies with the goal of adding us to the OFAC sanctions list and possibly seizing our infrastructure (good luck to them, nevertheless). Since it's primarily coming from U.S.-based agencies, we will update our ToS to inform our users in the U.S. not to use our service and warn them about the risks of being prosecuted in their country for using a service like ours. Since we have no logs or any IP-detecting capabilities, we won't be able to enforce this policy; thus, we can't be held responsible for any regulatory violations. We have already developed a legal framework to ensure that the responsibility for regulatory violations is applied to our customers and not to us, which will also be outlined in the ToS. This might also apply to some countries in EU with the worst recent regulatory updates that target privacy services, however, it's not confirmed yet.

[July-August 2025] We will delist USDT and USDC from our platform in order to provide stablecoin exchanges on dynamic addresses without risks for us. Unfortunately, operating USDT and USDC is not possible on non-static addresses without the risk of them being blacklisted by Circle and Tether. Thus, the stablecoin we will provide is DAI, which is the only reliable and non-custodial stablecoin currently available that has no address blacklist functionality in its smart contract. Since many of you may have already noticed, we have stopped operating our ETH liquidity on our old aggregation address (0xf1da173228fcf015f43f3ea15abbb51f0d8f1123) because the transparency we provided was not valued but instead abused. Therefore, we see no reason to continue operating on our static addresses given the high level of toxicity from the whitehat industry directed at our service. The same applies to our BTC aggregation address - the pool now uses one-time change addresses, as per the default Bitcoin Core configuration, so nobody can associate the outputs with eXch as easily as before.


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eXch is about to merge with a company in another jurisdiction and leave the company in Belize. We will have new shareholders and new members on the management board. This merger is related to our decision to sell half of our company in order to reduce risks for our founding team and guarantee that we can continue operating without giving up our values. Our new partners are longtime Bitcoin and privacy enthusiasts whom we trust.
A change of owner, even a partial one, must also bring some changes in the way of doing business. I am not optimistic when it comes to such things, but it is an integral part of business. I hope that the values ​​that made eXch popular will be maintained.

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We will delist USDT and USDC from our platform in order to provide stablecoin exchanges on dynamic addresses without risks for us. Unfortunately, operating USDT and USDC is not possible on non-static addresses without the risk of them being blacklisted by Circle and Tether. Thus, the stablecoin we will provide is DAI, which is the only reliable and non-custodial stablecoin currently available that has no address blacklist functionality in its smart contract.
Well, new delisting, although there is a logical reason for this, the scope of the offer is reduced.
Are there any plans to add new currencies?

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Since it's primarily coming from U.S.-based agencies, we will update our ToS to inform our users in the U.S. not to use our service and warn them about the risks of being prosecuted in their country for using a service like ours. Since we have no logs or any IP-detecting capabilities, we won't be able to enforce this policy; thus, we can't be held responsible for any regulatory violations. We have already developed a legal framework to ensure that the responsibility for regulatory violations is applied to our customers and not to us, which will also be outlined in the ToS.
Is that enough?

I don't think so. Wouldn't it be better to only respond to legal requests from the courts? Or at least to transactions of more than 3 BTC. This way, you would protect more customers from legal repercussions.

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Adding steps to educate users on how to enhance their privacy would also be helpful.
Start funding to create a decentralized version of eXch.
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Dear users, our website's official domain name starting today becomes exch.net

Our email is still operating on the exch.cx domain till the further announcement is made.
Can you tell us what is going to happen with .cx domain in future?
Having .net domain as main one is a good thing, but I think you should keep alternative domains also, to avoid scammers purchasing them later.

[July-August 2025] We will delist USDT and USDC from our platform in order to provide stablecoin exchanges on dynamic addresses without risks for us. Unfortunately, operating USDT and USDC is not possible on non-static addresses without the risk of them being blacklisted by Circle and Tether.
Can you please clarify this?
Are you going to add some new stablecoins instead or no?

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Dear users, our website's official domain name starting today becomes exch.net

Our email is still operating on the exch.cx domain till the further announcement is made.
Can you tell us what is going to happen with .cx domain in future?
Having .net domain as main one is a good thing, but I think you should keep alternative domains also, to avoid scammers purchasing them later.
exch.pw is also owned by the original owners of exch.net & .cx.
They must certainly keep them in their ownership. Anti-phishing campaigns showed that phishing domains are not so easy to remove or suspend.

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NOTIFICATION OF UPCOMING CHANGES

[April 2025] eXch is about to merge with a company in another jurisdiction and leave the company in Belize. We will have new shareholders and new members on the management board. This merger is related to our decision to sell half of our company in order to reduce risks for our founding team and guarantee that we can continue operating without giving up our values. Our new partners are longtime Bitcoin and privacy enthusiasts whom we trust.

[April 2025] We are aware that there is an ongoing operation targeting our service by some law enforcement agencies with the goal of adding us to the OFAC sanctions list and possibly seizing our infrastructure (good luck to them, nevertheless). Since it's primarily coming from U.S.-based agencies, we will update our ToS to inform our users in the U.S. not to use our service and warn them about the risks of being prosecuted in their country for using a service like ours. Since we have no logs or any IP-detecting capabilities, we won't be able to enforce this policy; thus, we can't be held responsible for any regulatory violations. We have already developed a legal framework to ensure that the responsibility for regulatory violations is applied to our customers and not to us, which will also be outlined in the ToS. This might also apply to some countries in EU with the worst recent regulatory updates that target privacy services, however, it's not confirmed yet.

[July-August 2025] We will delist USDT and USDC from our platform in order to provide stablecoin exchanges on dynamic addresses without risks for us. Unfortunately, operating USDT and USDC is not possible on non-static addresses without the risk of them being blacklisted by Circle and Tether. Thus, the stablecoin we will provide is DAI, which is the only reliable and non-custodial stablecoin currently available that has no address blacklist functionality in its smart contract. Since many of you may have already noticed, we have stopped operating our ETH liquidity on our old aggregation address (0xf1da173228fcf015f43f3ea15abbb51f0d8f1123) because the transparency we provided was not valued but instead abused. Therefore, we see no reason to continue operating on our static addresses given the high level of toxicity from the whitehat industry directed at our service. The same applies to our BTC aggregation address - the pool now uses one-time change addresses, as per the default Bitcoin Core configuration, so nobody can associate the outputs with eXch as easily as before.



Brother, fuck everyone else fuck bybit you got a goldmine waiting to come your way. They are trying to sanction you and all this bullshit you might aswell just let ANY (including the bybit funds) to go through your exchange and if you want maybe charge 10% for those funds. But they are trying to fuck you, so you might aswell make a fuck ton of money while you're here. The world goes around money and these guys would of sent more to you. Just say fuck it, fuck everyone else, we KYC no one and don't give a fuck everyone can suck a dick if they don't like it. #LetAllFundsGetExchanged. If you do this you will make a shit ton of money and not only that, you're already being targeted so it doesn't make a difference at least you're profiting from it. Crypto isn't real anyway and neither is money it's all fake. YOLO. Also if you do this get those stablecoins like USDT and USDC removed asap.

From someone who's looking for your best interest, from the future.

Dear users, our website's official domain name starting today becomes exch.net

Our email is still operating on the exch.cx domain till the further announcement is made.
Can you tell us what is going to happen with .cx domain in future?
Having .net domain as main one is a good thing, but I think you should keep alternative domains also, to avoid scammers purchasing them later.

[July-August 2025] We will delist USDT and USDC from our platform in order to provide stablecoin exchanges on dynamic addresses without risks for us. Unfortunately, operating USDT and USDC is not possible on non-static addresses without the risk of them being blacklisted by Circle and Tether.
Can you please clarify this?
Are you going to add some new stablecoins instead or no?

They clarified enough, only DAI, it's the only stablecoin that cannot blacklist and even they are trying to make everyone convert their DAI to USDS and then that could have the potential to allow blacklisting, and on their site, (the USDS one), they don't allow vpns. This world is turning into a dystopia. At the moment DAI is the only real option for a stablecoin that cannot be blacklisted and actually holds it's peg to the dollar.
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Dear users, our website's official domain name starting today becomes exch.net

Our email is still operating on the exch.cx domain till the further announcement is made.
Can you tell us what is going to happen with .cx domain in future?
Having .net domain as main one is a good thing, but I think you should keep alternative domains also, to avoid scammers purchasing them later.
exch.pw is also owned by the original owners of exch.net & .cx.
They must certainly keep them in their ownership. Anti-phishing campaigns showed that phishing domains are not so easy to remove or suspend.

Probably they will keep the domain and Redirect all traffic to the main one, exch.net.

In the SEO point of view, it is better, and also good for user experience.

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I didn't expect eXch to make the decision of delisting USDT and USDC from their platform despite the risk of blacklisting. That risk is nothing new and it has always been present in all stablecoins on all platforms except for DAI. eXch was my go-to exchange to swap bitcoin to USDT/USDC. It will remain that for DAI but I will now have to look for alternatives. DAI is nowhere close to the popularity of USDT and USDC despite being a safer asset. Especially not in my region where many buyers don't want DAI.

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