[BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed Since 2014

[slapper]

BBR's POW and Diff are different from XMR and the exploit seems to be exploiting XMR only anyway. There is no slippage to BBR yet which is fascinating to me as well as the fact that some of the XMR dumpers also slowly dumped BBR to keep the silver coin in check

BCX's attack has nothing to do with POW per se.  It targets Cryptnote's implementation of ring signatures AFAIK.

BBR is a much easier target for a Sybil mediated timewarp attack because it has a far smaller network than XMR securing it.

Please advice What should be do iCEBREAKER? Are you a professional coder too?

I am sure everyone knows BBR has a feature which XMR doesn't have yet (and would require hard fork to add), where each coin is flagged with the minimum # of inputs it will mix with when it is transacted in the future. This enables BBR to avoid inadvertent unmasking of the anonymity.

Well when we consider an attacker do that on purpose, then XMR is much more suspectible to anonymity reduction (which we are still trying to decide if also reveals the private key).

We should make popcorn and coffee and order Grubhub chow fun delivery.  The next three days will be very interesting.  Maybe BBR and XMR will switch market caps?  

This whole story should be converted into a book. Take every shilling, trolling, reverse trolling and reverse shilling and the everything else from the birth of monero into account and how everyone got everything wrong with respect to how good this coin is.

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[sonoIO]

CZ, is this affecting BBR as well?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789978.msg8905825#msg8905825

We are working on resolving this issue. I was the one that offered anonymint a bounty to research BCX's claims. This is a possible exploit that anonymint says has a fix, so as long as we can concentrate on the important things, then it should be just another day in cryptoland.

My understanding of the attack is that it takes a long time to prepare, and it also requires a lot of hardware resources and only can affect some subset of tx. So, there are many conditions and few people will have the ability and resources to pull this off.

Now this could all be an overreaction to some obscure edge case, but when it comes to something like this I do not want to assume it is inconsequential even if it is improbable. At the very least, this provides some intense scrutiny of the algorithms and creates new ways to harden it.

James

I let myself to uncover a little anonymint's research that we was privately discussed this evening: imo it's not critical, it's not about stealing money and it's not coin killer. it's about anonymity that could be compromised on very rare situations(with some specific conditions) and untypical for current transactions distribution(if could call it so). It similar to flaw that i fixed in august ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg8548412#msg8548412 ), so this also could be fixed without pain, and as i said - imo it's still not critical.
Anyway, his research was helpful(thanks to anonymint), but it looks like BitcoinEXpress mean something else.

Also many thanks to James for organization efforts!

Anytime there is any possible exploit anywhere near a coin's codebase it is best to do whatever it takes to get to the bottom of the threat. If it turns out to be a false alert, then it is just a few BTC spent. If it is ignored, well, the results could be pretty bad. i think the expression is "better safe than sorry"

BCX's cryptic "implementation" specific phrasing seems to indicate it is specific to XMR and that BBR already fixed this, or at least most of the exposure to this.

In this case, it highlights the thing that we all know for a while. CZ is the leading cryptonote dev, bar none. Now it could be that there are additional vectors to the one that is found so far, so we must always be on the alert. BCX is a serious guy and I have much respect for him. I am glad that both communities are working closely to get through the next 72 hours. Any attack against XMR will not be good for all the cryptonotes, regardless if BBR is already immune or not.

James

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789978.msg8907625#msg8907625

Ty both for your effort

[drawingthesun]

Just to clear things up, there are two attacks being touted right now.

The Anonymint attack, that might only affect Monero, (As Zoidberg said), apparently Tacotime has been working on a fix for some time.

The BCX attack, which is pure fantasy. If the BCX attack exists, it'll likely effect BBR too, however I am 99% sure that BCX is being the biggest troll here.

Why make a 500 bitcoin bet, when you can steal that amount instead?

[slapper]

Just to clear things up, there are two attacks being touted right now.

The Anonymint attack, that might only affect Monero, (As Zoidberg said), apparently Tacotime has been working on a fix for some time.
.

Why make a 500 bitcoin bet, when you can steal that amount instead?

LOL here come the shills. Hero Members and Legendary members defending the gold they found. For those who don't know this faggot is bad news. Anyone remember the Block 21602 attack on Monero couple of weeks ago? This fag was running around with this big mouth in the Darkcoin thread and arguing with the Darkcoin developer and within a day Monero borked.

So the guy who sold celeb photos for bitcoin, he should really have used darkcoin...

Why? Bitcoin is as secure as Darkcoin, if he wanted real anonymity he would have used Monero.

I can't imagine someone with your amount of history would be so ill informed? Darkcoin is quite anonymous. Have you even read how it works? It's my own implementation of coinjoin that is much more anonymous than anything offered on the bitcoin network, plus it's not vulnerable to any of the coinjoin attacks (coinjoin sudoku). It's decentralized, secure, timing-attack resistant and it works on mainnet, right now.

I'm going to just guess that you haven't actually done any reading about Darksend and show you how it works:

http://blog.anonymousbitcoinbook.com/2014/08/visualizing-one-round-of-darkcoins-darksend/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0

Here's an example transaction:

http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/6f52d97497c6f6ff2d866de53a1dcd8b3d3b74c8feb16e2e91624fda0985a917

So the gist is if you put 550DRK into the pool, it'll be broken down into 100DRK*5, 10DRK*5 and paired with the same denominations from another user. So after that transaction, no one can tell who is paying for what.

It's also very low bloat compared to monero /bytecoin because it only happens when it's needed. The whole blockchain is 346MB right now. Monero is not even close to as old and already is many times that size.

Isn't the issue here that Dark is an active coin? What I mean is that the user has to actively want to mix their coins and this can create a low anonymity set. (hence the small blockchain)

As I understand it, the Monero chain is larger because every single payment is passively anonymous. (There are exceptions right now due to 0 mixin, but this will be removed soon)

The strength of the anonymity set in Monero is so grand that it makes no sense to use something inferior if you actually need an anonymous currency.

[drawingthesun]

Just to clear things up, there are two attacks being touted right now.

The Anonymint attack, that might only affect Monero, (As Zoidberg said), apparently Tacotime has been working on a fix for some time.
.

Why make a 500 bitcoin bet, when you can steal that amount instead?

LOL here come the shills. Hero Members and Legendary members defending the gold they found. For those who don't know this faggot is bad news. Anyone remember the Block 21602 attack on Monero couple of weeks ago? This fag was running around with this big mouth in the Darkcoin thread and arguing with the Darkcoin developer and within a day Monero borked.

So the guy who sold celeb photos for bitcoin, he should really have used darkcoin...

Why? Bitcoin is as secure as Darkcoin, if he wanted real anonymity he would have used Monero.

I can't imagine someone with your amount of history would be so ill informed? Darkcoin is quite anonymous. Have you even read how it works? It's my own implementation of coinjoin that is much more anonymous than anything offered on the bitcoin network, plus it's not vulnerable to any of the coinjoin attacks (coinjoin sudoku). It's decentralized, secure, timing-attack resistant and it works on mainnet, right now.

I'm going to just guess that you haven't actually done any reading about Darksend and show you how it works:

http://blog.anonymousbitcoinbook.com/2014/08/visualizing-one-round-of-darkcoins-darksend/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0

Here's an example transaction:

http://test.explorer.darkcoin.fr/tx/6f52d97497c6f6ff2d866de53a1dcd8b3d3b74c8feb16e2e91624fda0985a917

So the gist is if you put 550DRK into the pool, it'll be broken down into 100DRK*5, 10DRK*5 and paired with the same denominations from another user. So after that transaction, no one can tell who is paying for what.

It's also very low bloat compared to monero /bytecoin because it only happens when it's needed. The whole blockchain is 346MB right now. Monero is not even close to as old and already is many times that size.

Isn't the issue here that Dark is an active coin? What I mean is that the user has to actively want to mix their coins and this can create a low anonymity set. (hence the small blockchain)

As I understand it, the Monero chain is larger because every single payment is passively anonymous. (There are exceptions right now due to 0 mixin, but this will be removed soon)

The strength of the anonymity set in Monero is so grand that it makes no sense to use something inferior if you actually need an anonymous currency.

Dude you need to calm down!

I am not a shill, people know I hold Monero and BBR, I'm not being deceptive about my position.

Also, Monero still does anonymous better than darkcoin, it was a flaw, it was fixed, move on child.

Also, the same attack could have been used against any other cn coin, or did you forget that silly!

[slapper]

Dude you need to calm down!

I am not a shill, people know I hold Monero and BBR, I'm not being deceptive about my position.

Also, Monero still does anonymous better than darkcoin, it was a flaw, it was fixed, move on child.

Also, the same attack could have been used against any other cn coin, or did you forget that silly!

Yah unfortunately your post history says you are an exclusive monero shill and a bad one at that. Thank fuck you are not shilling "other CN coins" otherwise they would have started getting pounded like monero too.

What is with pricks coming here and saying they hold BBR and act like the world here owes them something? Seeing more and more Monero shills post this way lately. Is CZ supposed to blow them individually or what is the expectation?

[drawingthesun]

Dude you need to calm down!

I am not a shill, people know I hold Monero and BBR, I'm not being deceptive about my position.

Also, Monero still does anonymous better than darkcoin, it was a flaw, it was fixed, move on child.

Also, the same attack could have been used against any other cn coin, or did you forget that silly!

Yah unfortunately your post history says you are an exclusive monero shill and a bad one at that. Thank fuck you are not shilling "other CN coins" otherwise they would have started getting pounded like monero too.

What is with pricks coming here and saying they hold BBR and act like the world here owes them something? Seeing more and more Monero shills post this way lately. Is CZ supposed to blow them individually or what is the expectation?

How am I acting like the world owes me something? This is your fantasy, not mine.

Anyway, the BCX attack would affect both bbr and xmr, however I doubt it even exists.

[slapper]

Dude you need to calm down!

I am not a shill, people know I hold Monero and BBR, I'm not being deceptive about my position.

Also, Monero still does anonymous better than darkcoin, it was a flaw, it was fixed, move on child.

Also, the same attack could have been used against any other cn coin, or did you forget that silly!

Yah unfortunately your post history says you are an exclusive monero shill and a bad one at that. Thank fuck you are not shilling "other CN coins" otherwise they would have started getting pounded like monero too.

What is with pricks coming here and saying they hold BBR and act like the world here owes them something? Seeing more and more Monero shills post this way lately. Is CZ supposed to blow them individually or what is the expectation?

How am I acting like the world owes me something? This is your fantasy, not mine.

Anyway, the BCX attack would affect both bbr and xmr, however I doubt it even exists.

That is your fantasy. Everytime someone attacks XMR you faggots are sure to announce how it is actually a CN issue and how bad CN code is and how sucky it is to inherit a flawed coin bla bla bla. Every other time it is shilling 24x7 about monero.

And then you proceed to post how monero is always hated and attacked. Just keep telling yourself that others cannot see through the bullshit. Anyways we will soon find out who is affected, won't we? Until then Shill Forrest, Shill....

[drawingthesun]

Dude you need to calm down!

I am not a shill, people know I hold Monero and BBR, I'm not being deceptive about my position.

Also, Monero still does anonymous better than darkcoin, it was a flaw, it was fixed, move on child.

Also, the same attack could have been used against any other cn coin, or did you forget that silly!

Yah unfortunately your post history says you are an exclusive monero shill and a bad one at that. Thank fuck you are not shilling "other CN coins" otherwise they would have started getting pounded like monero too.

What is with pricks coming here and saying they hold BBR and act like the world here owes them something? Seeing more and more Monero shills post this way lately. Is CZ supposed to blow them individually or what is the expectation?

How am I acting like the world owes me something? This is your fantasy, not mine.

Anyway, the BCX attack would affect both bbr and xmr, however I doubt it even exists.

That is your fantasy. Everytime someone attacks XMR you faggots are sure to announce how it is actually a CN issue and how bad CN code is and how sucky it is to inherit a flawed coin bla bla bla. Every other time it is shilling 24x7 about monero.

And then you proceed to post how monero is always hated and attacked. Just keep telling yourself that others cannot see through the bullshit. Anyways we will soon find out who is affected, won't we? Until then Shill Forrest, Shill....

I actually have no idea how to respond to people like you, the problem is that you're inventing a lot of drama in your head that isn't actually real.

You need to take a walk and calm down.

[surfer43]

shill, shill, shill, etc.

This is taking it too far. Not sure if serious, trolling, sarcastic, reverse trolling, and/or reverse reverse trolling. 

[tljenson]

shill, shill, shill, etc.

This is taking it too far. Not sure if serious, trolling, sarcastic, reverse trolling, and/or reverse reverse trolling.  

These two are fun to watch aren't they? Care for some Popcorn?

[slapper]

Here to happily reverse troll the monero shills  

Just watch how the fag inserted the "BBR is also danger, woo me" and get exposed for being generally a douchebag not just here but in other places. He "holds both XMR and BBR" but is basically a Monero shill. It's not like he is recommending BBR anywhere. You will only find them here to subtly talk down BBR. Just watch how they work.

Edit: Watch for some developments here. drawingthesun is just a fucking rat poision. This is just a small sample. I am not wasting anymore time on it. This community needs to watch out for these fake supporters who come here and say "I own BBR too" and similar lines. They are basically douchebags of the highest order.

I'm quite amazed how weak a hand you are, to be so influenced by people that are not actually on the team of that coin. I and rpietila are not apart of this coin any more that we are "spokespeople" for bitcoin. I am hoping this isn't a FUD campaign just as you start your marketing campaign for BBR

I wouldn't worry about DTM, they belong to a set of users that have picked up dirt cheap mega Boolberry stacks (because they didn't want to pay market rates for Monero) and now are hoping for riches. DTM is never going to stop talking about his Boolberry.

Yeah, GML is also up, but that doesn't mean anything profound.

Do you want us to mention every coin that was up? Only one matters, and it isn't BBR.

Except that Zoidberg is a none trick poney, Linux has expert management skills.

The XMR/BBR sibling rivalry is adorable.  Sound like somebody is cranky because BBR spiked up +25% while XMR crashed -13%.  

Boolberry spiked because I pissed of James. The joke's on him though, I made so much money from that.

It seems the only thing going for Boolberry is that James is pumping it, James constantly lies about how much better Boolberry is.

As far as I am concerned, Boolberry is now just a pump and dump until CryptoZoidberg dumps James publically.

[iCEBREAKER]

it is quite possible that BCX noticed BBR's fix of this vulnerability and the lack of XMR's fix.

That seems plausible. 

The plot thickens.  Before the game is afoot, thou still let'st slip!

[drawingthesun]

it is quite possible that BCX noticed BBR's fix of this vulnerability and the lack of XMR's fix.

That seems plausible. 

The plot thickens.  Before the game is afoot, thou still let'st slip!

But this can't be the exploit where BCX said it could steal funds and also is not possible to fix. So BCX can't be talking about the anonymint exploit (that tacotime has been working on anyway)

So what is really going on.

[drawingthesun]

By the way slapper, I made up with Zoidberg ages ago and also took a position in BBR because even though I don't see BBR overtaking Monero, I certainly see it riding out over all the other shitcoins in the forum.

[klee]

I offered AnonyMint 1/4 th of my BBR stash if he helps BBR in a substantial way with the BCX attack.

[slapper]

I offered AnonyMint 1/4 th of my BBR stash if he helps BBR in a substantial way with the BCX attack.

BCX has not indicated that he attacked BBR or has any intentions of attacking BBR. Remember BBR's PoW is also diff and the same type of attack may not be even possible. No one knows what his attack is and there is no need to drag BBR with problems in Monero's blockchain. It is stupid and wreaks of malice.

Anonymint might have found a different CN exploit on his own and is offering to work with CZ et al. By and large you will find most good hackers willing to work with CZ now and in future and for good reasons. He doesn't go around trolling the forums, stays professional and is letting his code & hard work do the talking.

Look, early money went into the wrong CN coin and things got into their heads leaving to arrogant denials and manipulations. I wrote a post about a lot of things that the XMR team did wrong and AM requoted it. Back in the day I even thanked smooth and even aminorex for bringing XMR to limelight (BBR wasn't even released back then). I also never meant any harm towards XMR but then the bile flew into the coin and you saw extremely aggressive propaganda compounded with vilification of CZ and tons of other crap.

Not the type of science I grew up appreciating.

[twistelaar]

Can somebody advice what to do with this XMR case? How many hours still left, 45 right?

Hold or sell XMR and buy BOOL? thanks

[dNote]

Was the DarkNotes name dictated?  Did anyone vote on the name or whether to rebrand,  or on the narrowed down candidates?

No they decided against the method of trying to put a community-chosen or -endorsed or whatever halo onto a brand using a manipulated sham vote where perhaps 60% of the community has its views excluded.

Instead they were simple and clear about the rebrand being done in a top-down fashion.

On the substance of the XDN rebrand (and perhaps relevant to BBR, perhaps not), I'm less interested in XDN now. I thought the old branding was more unusual and interesting, and stood apart as a reason to pay attention to the coin at all. Now I see none.

@smooth, thank you for your comment and for expressing your opinion straight and honest, as always you do.
Not only XDN name was changed. lots of work were done, please, read DarkNote whitepaper http://darknote.cc/sites/darknote.cc/files/whitepaper.pdf
We implemented DarkNote GUI client with wallet, encrypted messaging function and open-source pool wallet mining.
We will push all updates the whole of next week. duck Dark reinvention was a plan since the beginning of XDN. that is why we asked for "d" in lowercase "duck" and Dark is a grown one. That is why my name is dNote, not duckNote. that is why we have dualism in our icon and that is why Bruce Lee is telling you "don't concentrate on the finger".
With the new encrypted messenger features based on new cryptography the only way for duck was to go Dark.

[windjc]

I offered AnonyMint 1/4 th of my BBR stash if he helps BBR in a substantial way with the BCX attack.

Look, early money went into the wrong CN coin and things got into their heads leaving to arrogant denials and manipulations. I wrote a post about a lot of things that the XMR team did wrong and AM requoted it. Back in the day I even thanked smooth and even aminorex for bringing XMR to limelight (BBR wasn't even released back then). I also never meant any harm towards XMR but then the bile flew into the coin and you saw extremely aggressive propaganda compounded with vilification of CZ and tons of other crap.

Not the type of science I grew up appreciating.

I think this is an important post. It took me a while but over time I realized the same thing.

I realized that the arrogance that permeated the culture of XMR has a risk of being its weakness. I also noticed that because "big" money went into XMR early there was a culture of denial. And last, even though I have great respect for some of the XMR dev team, the proof is in the pudding and CZ had just created a much more well oiled machine.

Now, as more and more is coming to light, "bigger" money is starting to move into the better CN technology. And, to a man, the leadership of Rune (formerly known as BBR) wishes no ill will to any of CN coin. However, Rune will make no apologies for the advancements coming down our technological pipeline.

But as this coin develops, we as a community should remain humble. This is a technology the world needs and we have to realize that in a way, when we put all the "money" aside for a moment, we are offering the world and important service and to that end we are servants.