[BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed Since 2014

[jwinterm]

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Not to beat a dead horse, and speaking as someone that doesn't think zoidberg has handled his role as developer, spokesperson, and 1% tax collector very well, but cheesus that "white paper" was a load of bullshit. You're giving scam artists a bad name lumping then in with le blockologist

haha new investors love the research report. It was intentionally written the way it was so that people outside of cryptocurrency would stay interested in reading it till completion. it is still circulating, judging from the analytics on the company website

I get contacted by all sorts of people who had no idea this kind of technology already existed and was so advanced.

http://bbrproject.slack.com is the place to be, I didn't set that up, someone that read the research report set it up. We're going to continue the updates to the RPC server, build infrastructure, get listed on bitsquare and so on

BTW jwinterm thanks for mod status on /r/boolberry  

Yw, thanks for reminding me to remove it as well Seriously, I hope it was a fucking joke, because it was nothing but memes and promising the fucking moon to "investors".

re: crypjunkie, I don't think I've ever really been anything but critical of zoidberg, and especially of the 1% dev tax, so I'm not sure how I'm sucking up.

Edit: removed blockologist as mod, unstickied his "white paper", and switched side bar link back to this thread on reddit. I will post a text sticky so people can make their opinions known there about if they think he should be mod and which thread should be official.

[1blockologist]

Edit: removed blockologist as mod, unstickied his "white paper", and switched side bar link back to this thread on reddit. I will post a text sticky so people can make their opinions known there about if they think he should be mod and which thread should be official.

It should be based on consensus, maybe you'll bring some activity to the subreddit

you are the only one calling it a white paper at this point    neither the sticky thread, the paper itself, or references to the paper itself call it a white paper.

no it wasn't a joke, people were asking what we planned to do and why, it clearly details the roadmap and why. pretty verbose to write over and over again in forums and chatrooms, it is 19 pages after all.



yours and others biggest gripe is my recognition of profit potential? I've seen that to be a recurring theme. It goes from benign software development contributions to an insidious scheme solely because of extrapolating what happens when you increase the utility and more people want it? Did you consider the alternate approach of thinking "hey yeah thats probably rational"

[jwinterm]

OK, maybe I misused the white paper term in place of roadmap or whatever you want to call it. That's what I suggested in the reddit thread, re: consensus. Let me know when more that 50% of the clients on the network and 50% of blocks generated are coming from your version, and I'll gladly give you full control of subreddit again. You're free to post in the meantime, just not sticky your roadmap and change the links in the sidebar.

[1blockologist]

OK, maybe I misused the white paper term in place of roadmap or whatever you want to call it. That's what I suggested in the reddit thread, re: consensus. Let me know when more that 50% of the clients on the network and 50% of blocks generated are coming from your version, and I'll gladly give you full control of subreddit again. You're free to post in the meantime, just not sticky your roadmap and change the links in the sidebar.

Thanks, well I'd like to collaborate and I'm not trying to fork the network so users can run any client they want. It is just you and boolberry moderating the subreddit (there isn't much activity there regardless, even over the past few months). I think the community would like a steward of that subreddit that is committed to this project

[crypjunkie]

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Not to beat a dead horse, and speaking as someone that doesn't think zoidberg has handled his role as developer, spokesperson, and 1% tax collector very well, but cheesus that "white paper" was a load of bullshit. You're giving scam artists a bad name lumping then in with le blockologist

haha new investors love the research report. It was intentionally written the way it was so that people outside of cryptocurrency would stay interested in reading it till completion. it is still circulating, judging from the analytics on the company website

I get contacted by all sorts of people who had no idea this kind of technology already existed and was so advanced.

http://bbrproject.slack.com is the place to be, I didn't set that up, someone that read the research report set it up. We're going to continue the updates to the RPC server, build infrastructure, get listed on bitsquare and so on

BTW jwinterm thanks for mod status on /r/boolberry  

Yw, thanks for reminding me to remove it as well Seriously, I hope it was a fucking joke, because it was nothing but memes and promising the fucking moon to "investors".

re: crypjunkie, I don't think I've ever really been anything but critical of zoidberg, and especially of the 1% dev tax, so I'm not sure how I'm sucking up.

Edit: removed blockologist as mod, unstickied his "white paper", and switched side bar link back to this thread on reddit. I will post a text sticky so people can make their opinions known there about if they think he should be mod and which thread should be official.

Sorry jwinterm, my apologies i picked you up wrong on your statement.

[jwinterm]

OK, maybe I misused the white paper term in place of roadmap or whatever you want to call it. That's what I suggested in the reddit thread, re: consensus. Let me know when more that 50% of the clients on the network and 50% of blocks generated are coming from your version, and I'll gladly give you full control of subreddit again. You're free to post in the meantime, just not sticky your roadmap and change the links in the sidebar.

Thanks, well I'd like to collaborate and I'm not trying to fork the network so users can run any client they want. It is just you and boolberry moderating the subreddit (there isn't much activity there regardless, even over the past few months). I think the community would like a steward of that subreddit that is committed to this project

And I think your commitment to this project is in serious doubt. When I think of the "boolberry community", some names that come to mind are zoidberg, shojayxt, clintar, boolberry, and windjc. You seem to have done a pretty good job of alienating zoidberg, shojayxt, and boolberry, I'm not sure about clintar's feelings, and I don't have have a favorable impression of windjc, so his endorsement of you is actually a negative in my mind.

Like I said, you're free to post in the subreddit and increase activity there, or start your own subreddit, or petition the admins to have me removed as mod, but at this point you've delivered nothing except a meme paper and antagonized the most prominent contributors to the project (zoidberg has done nearly all/all the coding and shojayxt is the only person I'm aware that has ever produced a boolberry-only service), so I think it's only right to remove you as mod from /r/boolberry. PM me when something changes if you're interested in being mod again.

[no-ice-please]

As an outsider who owns a small amount of boolberry, I'll point out some headscratchers, some previously mentioned.

1) Going to the original website, then to the downloads page, a person is warned that the file does contain malware, and they are asked if they want to download a file that contains malware. That doesn't seem bright.

2) Just about any person who invests in crypto will want to create offline wallets.And in fact among all of the crypto wallets I have tried, lots of algorithms, lots of very different coins from very different devs, there is only one wallet that you cannot put on an offline computer and generate a backup wallet for. Easy to do with bitcoin, litecoin, even any scamcoin you can easily create an offline wallet for. Only boolberry, of all coins, does not make that doable for a beginner. Last time I mentioned that I got a comment along the lines of "Yes you can, if you do this and that", and a comment "Yeah the ability to create offline wallets might be useful", both dishonest responses.

Cryptonote I followed for a while, I was trading Bytecoin from Maria 2.0 on cryptsy when suddenly other bytecoin links appeared and followed the initial confusion, as well as the obnoxiousness of the monero spam terrorists back then who harassed other threads in a very unpleasant way.

Boolberry seems to have a fair history, it was rated early as the most popular cryptonote currency among the most experienced users, somebody analyzed the threads to find out which coin had the most senior supporters. It has potentially a lot of credibility if bullshit is kept to a minimum and simple real development occurs. The 1% tax thing is absurd. Somebody is not willing to make money by buying their own coin, but rather they want users to pay tribute?

instead of running around in circles the focus should just be on producing an actual coin and wallet that works, that does not give "this is malware" warnings, and that has a useable wallet for new people who are not interested in tech stuff.

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a comment about the 19 page blockology pdf.
Companies in the 'regular' economy have always had to balance between pressure from shareholders, and the interests of long term quality. The one thing that a person notices quickly in the pdf is reference to a $50m market cap target. The previous conversation on this thread sounds like maybe that was written semi seriously. it does look more like a crypto prospectus than anything serious, but a person has to wonder who the paper is written for, and why. It seems like a rough draft that did not get feedback, so use of pronouns like "we" and "our" sound kind of phony. bottom line, where is a workable wallet that simply is as good as the average wallet from any other currency. Whether from zoidberg or blockologist?

[crypjunkie]

As an outsider who owns a small amount of boolberry, I'll point out some headscratchers, some previously mentioned.

1) Going to the original website, then to the downloads page, a person is warned that the file does contain malware, and they are asked if they want to download a file that contains malware. That doesn't seem bright.

2) Just about any person who invests in crypto will want to create offline wallets.And in fact among all of the crypto wallets I have tried, lots of algorithms, lots of very different coins from very different devs, there is only one wallet that you cannot put on an offline computer and generate a backup wallet for. Easy to do with bitcoin, litecoin, even any scamcoin you can easily create an offline wallet for. Only boolberry, of all coins, does not make that doable for a beginner. Last time I mentioned that I got a comment along the lines of "Yes you can, if you do this and that", and a comment "Yeah the ability to create offline wallets might be useful", both dishonest responses.

Cryptonote I followed for a while, I was trading Bytecoin from Maria 2.0 on cryptsy when suddenly other bytecoin links appeared and followed the initial confusion, as well as the obnoxiousness of the monero spam terrorists back then who harassed other threads in a very unpleasant way.

Boolberry seems to have a fair history, it was rated early as the most popular cryptonote currency among the most experienced users, somebody analyzed the threads to find out which coin had the most senior supporters. It has potentially a lot of credibility if bullshit is kept to a minimum and simple real development occurs. The 1% tax thing is absurd. Somebody is not willing to make money by buying their own coin, but rather they want users to pay tribute?

instead of running around in circles the focus should just be on producing an actual coin and wallet that works, that does not give "this is malware" warnings, and that has a useable wallet for new people who are not interested in tech stuff.

Welll said enuf of the BOOLshit.
You should join the slack...

[no-ice-please]

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Welll said enuf of the BOOLshit.
You should join the slack...

I don't know anything about tech and have no interest in the mechanics, but how can there be so many hours put into slack when a wallet, a basic wallet that even the worst coins has, is not simply downloadable without warnings, and if you download it you cannot even create a wallet unless you have a degree in figuring out confusing wallets? 

[jd1959]

I was legitimately interested in this currency because it is one of the few CryptoNote based ones still in development. Then I read more about "1Blockologist" and I was turned off again. He seems like a scam artist, lots of big talk and little actual hard code to show for it. Easy commits mean nothing.

CryptoZoidberg, looking forward to you coming back!

Lol "scam artist", good characteristic for many adventurous people attracted by easy money in cryptocurrency.

Easy money in cryptocurrency would be taking 1% of a coin while away working on another project would it not?

If it's not broken it doesn't need fixing ....I've had zero problems with wallet or mining. The thing everyone seems to miss is that when CZ releases something it works. I have tested a version of his new project and it

looks great GUI wallet and all. I'm convinced that when he returns and brings new features that are in development it will blow people away. I have no problems with his 1%, he is working on new features. He does not

hype it up, just quietly gets on with his work. On the other hand all I see with 1blockologist is hype......if he thinks this is so broken he should go and code his own coin. No one paid huge amounts of BTC for some

dodgy ICO here it has been mined from day 1, many people in crypto have a very short attention span, unfortunately many of them seem to have the loudest voices

Cheers Jon 

[jd1959]

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Welll said enuf of the BOOLshit.
You should join the slack...

I don't know anything about tech and have no interest in the mechanics, but how can there be so many hours put into slack when a wallet, a basic wallet that even the worst coins has, is not simply downloadable without warnings, and if you download it you cannot even create a wallet unless you have a degree in figuring out confusing wallets? 

Have you used

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/boolberry/files/bbr-win-x64-v0.3.0.41%28abcdeab%29.zip/download

 it worked for me no problems

Cheers Jon 

[xmr_eric]

OK, maybe I misused the white paper term in place of roadmap or whatever you want to call it. That's what I suggested in the reddit thread, re: consensus. Let me know when more that 50% of the clients on the network and 50% of blocks generated are coming from your version, and I'll gladly give you full control of subreddit again. You're free to post in the meantime, just not sticky your roadmap and change the links in the sidebar.

Thanks, well I'd like to collaborate and I'm not trying to fork the network so users can run any client they want. It is just you and boolberry moderating the subreddit (there isn't much activity there regardless, even over the past few months). I think the community would like a steward of that subreddit that is committed to this project

1blockologist,

Stop, man. Just... stop. These endless veiled power plays make it obvious that you don't have BBRs long-term interest at stake. Everybody smells it. We're not idiots. All you're doing is making yourself look bad. Maybe you're still holding a ton of BBR and you need the "vision" to stay alive. Maybe there's some other valid rationale. I don't know.

In fact, I don't know you at all, as a real person, so what I say next is going to be a generalization only based on how you've communicated online: your words have started to sound kind of sad. Like "I wonder how much this guy hates himself" kind of sad. Man, life is bigger than this! You're obviously a very talented guy. It takes a lot of creativity and grit and courage to come as far as you did. But the music has stopped.

You kind of sound like someone who lost their center. Maybe you need to go get in touch with yourself, starting with a good nights sleep. And afterward, perhaps a humble bowl of peyote and a solo trek in the Nevada desert. Whatever you need to get back what you used to have, and now struggle to feel. I took a month to hike some monastic trails in Montserrat one time. That did the trick for me.

Whatever the case is, I hope you find it, and rediscover that thing you're looking for. I wish future work for you that both makes you feel alive and earns people's applause.

Best
Eric

[no-ice-please]

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Have you used

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/boolberry/files/bbr-win-x64-v0.3.0.41%28abcdeab%29.zip/download

 it worked for me no problems

Cheers Jon  

Here is my experience.

I go to the page you link and see

This file may contain malware and the automatic download has been disabled.

Are you really sure you want to download potential malware? Here's the direct link.

I'm not really sure I want to download potential malware, since I don't get that warning with any other coin, but okay, I download it.

Then I put it on a computer and it gives a "connecting" symbol endlessly, presumably refusing to do anything unless I let it connect to a network, unlike any other coin. Not good.

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I'm sure you must know that people create offline wallets with cryptocurrencies? i can do that with any currency, but not boolberry? Why?

[jwinterm]

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I'm sure you must know that people create offline wallets with cryptocurrencies? i can do that with any currency, but not boolberry? Why?

no-ice-please, I am familiar with your comments from the huntercoin thread, and I appreciate your user/non-crypto person perspective on things. If you want to create a cold wallet, just generate an address with simplewallet, and then send there; you don't need to sync or anything.

[no-ice-please]

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I'm sure you must know that people create offline wallets with cryptocurrencies? i can do that with any currency, but not boolberry? Why?

no-ice-please, I am familiar with your comments from the huntercoin thread, and I appreciate your user/non-crypto person perspective on things. If you want to create a cold wallet, just generate an address with simplewallet, and then send there; you don't need to sync or anything.

I'm not going to push and push.

1) Download the wallet from the link.

2) Put it on a usb.

3) Then put it on an offline computer.

Opening the main program it says "connecting" forever. Clicking on simplewallet in the program file, it does not generate an address. Back when Qcn was on bittrex or polo I created wallets with simpleminer, but with boolberry it does not work. Long ago when aeon was cheap I created wallets with it. I have tried many times. Boolberry is the only coin, out of many, that I have never been able to create an offline wallet with. I've tried on several computers, several downloads, etc.

I'll drop it but I am baffled that there is no mention in  the thread of this issue, nor of the "Are you really sure you want to download potential malware?" issue.

I have some boolberry and hope the price goes up but I won't interfere anymore.

[1blockologist]

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I'm sure you must know that people create offline wallets with cryptocurrencies? i can do that with any currency, but not boolberry? Why?

no-ice-please, I am familiar with your comments from the huntercoin thread, and I appreciate your user/non-crypto person perspective on things. If you want to create a cold wallet, just generate an address with simplewallet, and then send there; you don't need to sync or anything.

I'm not going to push and push.

1) Download the wallet from the link.

2) Put it on a usb.

3) Then put it on an offline computer.

Opening the main program it says "connecting" forever. Clicking on simplewallet in the program file, it does not generate an address. Back when Qcn was on bittrex or polo I created wallets with simpleminer, but with boolberry it does not work. Long ago when aeon was cheap I created wallets with it. I have tried many times. Boolberry is the only coin, out of many, that I have never been able to create an offline wallet with. I've tried on several computers, several downloads, etc.

I'll drop it but I am baffled that there is no mention in  the thread of this issue, nor of the "Are you really sure you want to download potential malware?" issue.

I have some boolberry and hope the price goes up but I won't interfere anymore.

What OS? Nobody is talking about it because nobody is experiencing that problem and talking about it

If the GUI isn't working for you, you can use boolberry from the command line just like other cryptonote clients. You launch boold, let it sync with the blockchain, but with simplewallet you need to also designate a new wallet file with the --generate-new-wallet command

maybe thats the answer you were looking for

[windjc]

OK, maybe I misused the white paper term in place of roadmap or whatever you want to call it. That's what I suggested in the reddit thread, re: consensus. Let me know when more that 50% of the clients on the network and 50% of blocks generated are coming from your version, and I'll gladly give you full control of subreddit again. You're free to post in the meantime, just not sticky your roadmap and change the links in the sidebar.

Thanks, well I'd like to collaborate and I'm not trying to fork the network so users can run any client they want. It is just you and boolberry moderating the subreddit (there isn't much activity there regardless, even over the past few months). I think the community would like a steward of that subreddit that is committed to this project

And I think your commitment to this project is in serious doubt. When I think of the "boolberry community", some names that come to mind are zoidberg, shojayxt, clintar, boolberry, and windjc. You seem to have done a pretty good job of alienating zoidberg, shojayxt, and boolberry, I'm not sure about clintar's feelings, and I don't have have a favorable impression of windjc, so his endorsement of you is actually a negative in my mind.

Like I said, you're free to post in the subreddit and increase activity there, or start your own subreddit, or petition the admins to have me removed as mod, but at this point you've delivered nothing except a meme paper and antagonized the most prominent contributors to the project (zoidberg has done nearly all/all the coding and shojayxt is the only person I'm aware that has ever produced a boolberry-only service), so I think it's only right to remove you as mod from /r/boolberry. PM me when something changes if you're interested in being mod again.

Can we be clear, please, open and transparent?

I have publicly said that I own BBR. I bought it years ago. At the time I loved the concept of the project. I was asked by CZ to help with rebranding because someone recommended me to him because of my experience in that area.  I like CZ. But I found him impossible to work with. Everything I proposed publicly in the rebrand attempt came straight from CZ, because working with CZ, in my experience means you have to A) agree with him or B) leave. So I tried to compromise and I tried to help carry out his vision. In retrospect I should have left as soon as I realized that I couldn't bring anything of value in that kind of work relationship.

Because CZ has been so absent that in two years he cant spend 30 seconds to make an edit, I am still listed as Marketing Coordinator on this OP. And so people still think I am an active member here. I haven't been for a long time, because there is nothing I can add and I am happily working on much larger projects now. I am very happy.

You have some issue with me. You have made no effort to speak to me directly. You have never made an effort to get to know me.

Yet you say I "endorsed" the new dev team? Please don't lie about me. I never did anything of the sort. Yes, I am an optimistic person by nature. I am not prone to paranoia or conspiracy. And if someone asked my help I will lend it if I can. I do believe in the power of competition, so I welcome that in general and I welcome that for BBR.

But please don't quote me as "community" and please don't disparage me for no good reason. It only reflects poorly on yourself. I am happy to get to know you better to perhaps correct opinions you have for whatever reasons you have them.

[TwiztdSoul]

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Have you used

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/boolberry/files/bbr-win-x64-v0.3.0.41%28abcdeab%29.zip/download

 it worked for me no problems

Cheers Jon  

Here is my experience.

I go to the page you link and see

This file may contain malware and the automatic download has been disabled.

Are you really sure you want to download potential malware? Here's the direct link.

I'm not really sure I want to download potential malware, since I don't get that warning with any other coin, but okay, I download it.

Then I put it on a computer and it gives a "connecting" symbol endlessly, presumably refusing to do anything unless I let it connect to a network, unlike any other coin. Not good.

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I'm sure you must know that people create offline wallets with cryptocurrencies? i can do that with any currency, but not boolberry? Why?

Sourceforge is more than likely throwing a false positive kinda like how AV software can get triggered by mining stuff.

[no-ice-please]

Sorry, I said I was not going to interfere, but one more post.

... let it sync with the blockchain, but with simplewallet ...

Finally somebody gives an intelligent response.

I want to create a wallet without having downloaded the blockchain, is it possible? Please don't say yes unless you've done it.

Thanks for at least mentioning the next logical step in my question, downloading the blockchain, instead of giving an empty robot answer like all previous responses.

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My basic comment "nobody discussing..." referred more to something else.

With pesetacoin, for example, there has been a major warning in one browser, and there have been pages and pages spent discussing it.

Why? Because they want the coin to be user friendly. I don't understand, any person should be puzzled, by boolberry's seeming deliberate lack of attention to practical user issues like the security warning, while it caters to speculators.

Is it a currency? Is the purpose to create a currency? Or is the purpose only to attract speculators, and ignore real world issues? There is virtually no interest shown in using bbr as a currency. The entire focus is on speculative or related issues. Pick any coin at random on this website bct. Any coin at random, and you will see some discussion of how to encourage adoption. Bbr almost seems to exist in a cloistered world where the only users anticipated are those that are already here.

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Thanks for finally taking some mental step to consider my question about an offline wallet, running the question in your head to the point of the blockchain download, rather than politely brushing the question off or answering it dishonestly, as others did.

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with previous cn coins i speculated on i did download the blockchain, and that may be why i cannot create an offline wallet. is it necessary to have the blockchain to create an offline wallet with bbr?

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Sourceforge is more than likely throwing a false positive kinda like how AV software can get triggered by mining stuff.

Okay, that's fine. There are a lot of false positives, I get that.

Let me ask you to guess about how many absolute neophytes have been drawn to bbr in the very long time that warning has been up. the answer is close to zero.

Imagine if bitcoin had the warning that bbr has. Pages on reddit would be filled with comments about it, user adoption would drop precipitously. An army of people would be doing things to solve it.

But with bbr it isn't even noticed? wtf

[muchoman]

One good thing has come out of this already, CZ has woken up from 2 years of hibernation