[BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed Since 2014

[crypto_zoidberg]

Have any of your heard the Buzz about Stealth Coin? I'm still a staunch supporter of Boolberry, and am holding and mining the coin, but I'd like to get the communities opinion about what I've read over on the Stealth coin forum. Here is what there saying about Boolberry and Monero.


"StealthCoin will implement (Sublinear signatures) "Chandran Signatures"  - this is ring signatures WITHOUT the block chain bloat                                                        
Ring signatures provide TRUE anoniminity - there is no doubt about that - but they suffer from bloating the block chain - this is why sublinear signatures are a good way to do anon - but wihout the bloat. Ring Signature coins (Crypto Note Coins) are not feasible for high volume transactions - the chain would grow to large to fast if people started using it like bitcoin or litecoin is used - Stealthcoin wont have this problem - which means stealthcoin could handle VISA or Mastercard type volume without being bloated out to butt fuck no where                                                        

Chandran signatures are square root in size - so it means that a 36KB ring signature now becomes a 4KB Chandran signature - means less space eaten on the block chain (faster synch times etc.) Crypto Note coins are impractical due to the large space requirements - this is why stealth will utilize "Sub linear Signatures" or "Chandran signatures" and be immune to the bloat - it allows to handle bitcoin volume like transactions. Chandran signatures (sublinear signatures) were conceptualized at UCLA (they are a real thing that DOES work) - stealth coin will be the FIRST coin to implant such thing                                                        
                                                        
BBR (Boolberry) was close to solving the bloat problem by pruning and expiring signatures - but this is not the optimal way to do it - "Chandran" SubLinear signatures is the PROPER and optimal way to do it - by means that the signatures themselves will no consume near the space - so no need to prune                                                    

AND THAT'S WHY XST WILL SEE AT LEAST A 10m MARKETCAP. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINING.



What does this mean? I'd love to hear your options on this?

At first, as i know, "Chandran signatures" will be slower(algorithmically) than CryptoNote ring signatures, so it's hard to talk about visa or mastercard volume.

Second, as i also read - there need trusted setup.(common reference string model,  http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/nichandr/ringsignaturessublinear.pdf)

Third even if they have less size RS - it's still not the same as zero size of pruned RS in Boolberry blockchain.


Anyway, i think this is interested project and will keep watching progress.

Zoidberg

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[sonoIO]

In order for a coin to get wide scale recognition and adoption it needs to have a decent volume for quite some time....

All should make sure to vote for BBR at https://hitbtc.com/vote
It is northern EU based exchange responsible for 35-50% volume of other CryptoNotes. You can vote there once a day

[sonoIO]

@clintar and @mbk - small suggestion:  Would you be willing to add a parameter to the username for your pools that allows users to increase the minimum payout value?

I'm getting a lot of 0.1 BBR payouts from the Clintar pool, and I don't really care about timeliness (I'd rather inflict fewer transactions on the network).  If I could do something like -u <address>.10 or something to reduce payout frequency, I'd totally take advantage of it.

Thanks!

dga, your mining power is not insignificant, is there another reason beside help tuning the BBR pool-mining system why you do not solo-mine with your rigs?

[tuanvtau]

is bittrex fix?

[dga]

@clintar and @mbk - small suggestion:  Would you be willing to add a parameter to the username for your pools that allows users to increase the minimum payout value?

I'm getting a lot of 0.1 BBR payouts from the Clintar pool, and I don't really care about timeliness (I'd rather inflict fewer transactions on the network).  If I could do something like -u <address>.10 or something to reduce payout frequency, I'd totally take advantage of it.

Thanks!

dga, your mining power is not insignificant, is there another reason beside help tuning the BBR pool-mining system why you do not solo-mine with your rigs?

For no real reason, I solo with my nvidia rigs, but I have one AMD GPU rig that's running an older build of linux, etc., etc., where I was just lazy and grabbed the pool client.  So 22 750tis are all soloing, but 3x 290x GPUs are on clintar's pool.  It's only about 2.6mh/s from that rig -- I probably should mine something else with the AMDs, but I don't want to deal with tracking any other currencies.

But 2.6 mh/s generates 0.1 every 30-60 minutes or so, and I'd prefer to just get 1 BBR 3-5 times per day.

[dga]

Have any of your heard the Buzz about Stealth Coin? I'm still a staunch supporter of Boolberry, and am holding and mining the coin, but I'd like to get the communities opinion about what I've read over on the Stealth coin forum. Here is what there saying about Boolberry and Monero.


"StealthCoin will implement (Sublinear signatures) "Chandran Signatures"  - this is ring signatures WITHOUT the block chain bloat                                                        
Ring signatures provide TRUE anoniminity - there is no doubt about that - but they suffer from bloating the block chain - this is why sublinear signatures are a good way to do anon - but wihout the bloat. Ring Signature coins (Crypto Note Coins) are not feasible for high volume transactions - the chain would grow to large to fast if people started using it like bitcoin or litecoin is used - Stealthcoin wont have this problem - which means stealthcoin could handle VISA or Mastercard type volume without being bloated out to butt fuck no where                                                        

Chandran signatures are square root in size - so it means that a 36KB ring signature now becomes a 4KB Chandran signature - means less space eaten on the block chain (faster synch times etc.) Crypto Note coins are impractical due to the large space requirements - this is why stealth will utilize "Sub linear Signatures" or "Chandran signatures" and be immune to the bloat - it allows to handle bitcoin volume like transactions. Chandran signatures (sublinear signatures) were conceptualized at UCLA (they are a real thing that DOES work) - stealth coin will be the FIRST coin to implant such thing                                                        
                                                        
BBR (Boolberry) was close to solving the bloat problem by pruning and expiring signatures - but this is not the optimal way to do it - "Chandran" SubLinear signatures is the PROPER and optimal way to do it - by means that the signatures themselves will no consume near the space - so no need to prune                                                    

AND THAT'S WHY XST WILL SEE AT LEAST A 10m MARKETCAP. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINING.



What does this mean? I'd love to hear your options on this?

At first, as i know, "Chandran signatures" will be slower(algorithmically) than CryptoNote ring signatures, so it's hard to talk about visa or mastercard volume.

Second, as i also read - there need trusted setup.(common reference string model,  http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/nichandr/ringsignaturessublinear.pdf)

Third even if they have less size RS - it's still not the same as zero size of pruned RS in Boolberry blockchain.


Anyway, i think this is interested project and will keep watching progress.

Zoidberg

+this.  The interesting thing about trying to use sublinear signatures is the potential for even stronger anonymity, NOT scaling.  I noted this in another thread already, but to briefly repeat it:  Once you get down to the relatively small mixin sizes used by BBR, the sublinear effect is probably dominated by constant factors anyway.  The thing that a more scalable signature scheme enables is being able to use 256 or so inputs as a mixin, cheaply, instead of only 4-16.  That would be cool - but it wouldn't be more scalable.

Pruning is actually the more fundamental size savings, as Zoidberg notes:  It gets rid of the signature overhead entirely after a sufficient window of time.

The two approaches are somewhat orthogonal, and there's no prima facie reason they couldn't be used together.  But saying that sublinear signatures are the "proper" way to solve bloat is misleading.  First, it's actually just dead wrong, because pruning solves it to a better degree.  Second, it ignores the potential cool thing you *can* do with scalable signatures, which makes me worry that the person you're quoting doesn't know what the heck he or she is talking about.

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which makes me worry that the person you're quoting doesn't know what the heck he or she is talking about.

Strongly advise against worrying every time someone hypes a coin with confused or misleading technical information. Such frequent worrying will not be good for your health.

AND THAT'S WHY XST WILL SEE AT LEAST A 10m MARKETCAP. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINING

[beitris.dwlul]

 where is gpu pools

[tljenson]

For reference here is where I found the post on "Chandran signatures" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.msg8754756#msg8754756

[digicoin]

WHy is it disabled on bittrex?

Azure maintenance in progress, wallets will peroidically become unavailabe.

Microsoft Azure sucks.Why does Bittex continue to use it?

[clintar]

where is gpu pools

Any pool should be a gpu pool. Try http://bbr.mbkpool.info/ . He should have things tuned well for gpus.

[pinky]

Boolberry(BBR) is added to BTER's BTC market at

https://bter.com/trade/BBR_BTC

deposit at

https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/BBR

Awesome.

I advise everyone to send some BBR and help create functional market on BTER.

[OrientA]

Boolberry(BBR) is added to BTER's BTC market at

https://bter.com/trade/BBR_BTC

deposit at

https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/BBR

Awesome.

I advise everyone to send some BBR and help create functional market on BTER.

Good idea. You can also use Poloniex. There is also an BBR/XMR market there.

[jeezy]

Boolberry(BBR) is added to BTER's BTC market at

https://bter.com/trade/BBR_BTC

deposit at

https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/BBR

Thanks! Let's get trading guys!

[crypto_zoidberg]

Boolberry(BBR) is added to BTER's BTC market at

https://bter.com/trade/BBR_BTC

deposit at

https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/BBR

Great news!
I guess we should say thanks to James for that as well!

Zoidberg

[crypto_zoidberg]

sonoIO made an amazing HOWTO/FAQ:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781961

Many thanks to you sonoIO!
Let's use this thread for collecting all information about BBR usage, i'll be putting this info to website from time to time.

sonoIO is mostly linux-man, we also need to expand this HOWTO/FAQ with Windows(and may be MACOS) information, so if someone feel that he can contribute to it - you very wellcome, contact with sonoIO or post in that thread.

[jeezy]

sonoIO made an amazing HOWTO/FAQ:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781961

Many thanks to you sonoIO!
Let's use this thread for collecting all information about BBR usage, i'll be putting this info to website from time to time.

sonoIO is mostly linux-man, we also need to expand this HOWTO/FAQ with Windows(and may be MACOS) information, so if someone feel that he can contribute to it - you very wellcome, contact with sonoIO or post in that thread.

Wow this looks cool. Great info, thanks sonoio!

[sonoIO]

sonoIO made an amazing HOWTO/FAQ:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781961

Many thanks to you sonoIO!
Let's use this thread for collecting all information about BBR usage, i'll be putting this info to website from time to time.

sonoIO is mostly linux-man, we also need to expand this HOWTO/FAQ with Windows(and may be MACOS) information, so if someone feel that he can contribute to it - you very wellcome, contact with sonoIO or post in that thread.

Wow this looks cool. Great info, thanks sonoio!

You are welcome everybody! Smart ppl from cryptocommunity are working on a brighter future for all. I'm not a cryptographer so this is my attempt to give something back to the community

[tuanvtau]

i have 3 machi ne, but why connect 1 machine ok to http://cncoin.farm/#, 2 machine show retry...

[thinkpad99]

good coin..up up