What's wrong with eating meat?

[hilariousandco]

Some people need to eat meat for the protein, otherwise we'd have to get our protein from taking more pills. Animals eat other animals, It's just a part of life.

Protein doesn't just come from meat. Animals rape and murder each other as well, so is rape an murder ok too?

Yes,but the proteins from meat are better for human body.And if you don't like meat doesn't mean you have to judge the meat eaters.If you want to  rape and murder is your option,i choose to meat eat not to rape and murder!

I suspect you're not an expert in this. 'Meat' is a pretty large term so you can't really just say 'meat is better for the human body' when that's just not the case. There are plenty of red meats that aren't that good for you and you’d be better getting your protein from elsewhere. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein/

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[the joint]

Some people need to eat meat for the protein, otherwise we'd have to get our protein from taking more pills. Animals eat other animals, It's just a part of life.

Protein doesn't just come from meat. Animals rape and murder each other as well, so is rape an murder ok too?

Yes,but the proteins from meat are better for human body.And if you don't like meat doesn't mean you have to judge the meat eaters.If you want to  rape and murder is your option,i choose to meat eat not to rape and murder!

I suspect you're not an expert in this. 'Meat' is a pretty large term so you can't really just say 'meat is better for the human body' when that's just not the case. There are plenty of red meats that aren't that good for you and you’d be better getting your protein from elsewhere. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein/

Actually, almost ANY kind of calorie is good for you (yes, including saturated fats and otherwise) as long as your diet in general is balanced.  I'm sure the reason carnivores in the animal kingdom have a much shorter expected life span compared to humans is because of all the saturated fat they eat, and not from dumb, trivial things like living outdoors or licking their own assholes (sarcasm).

[Hazir]

Killing animals for food is something we call 'the food chain' and its really a part of life. However, i am 100% against killing animals for FUN. Such as hunting. I think its totally immoral and discusting to call hunting a sport and enjoy mindlessly taking an animals life. Also whaling is, in my opinion such a tragedy. Murdering beautiful animals like that for god knows what just makes me sick.

[hilariousandco]

Killing animals for food is something we call 'the food chain' and its really a part of life. However, i am 100% against killing animals for FUN. Such as hunting. I think its totally immoral and discusting to call hunting a sport and enjoy mindlessly taking an animals life. Also whaling is, in my opinion such a tragedy. Murdering beautiful animals like that for god knows what just makes me sick.

What if you're below me in my food chain? Why is it okay to kill all other animals for food but not whales?

[CoinGeneral]

Sorry I haven't gone in here in a few days, been busy with other stuff. However, I've been full on energy this entire time! XD. I'm loving it man.

In my opinion not eating meat is a very easy position to defend as it wins in every single aspect. Like I stated earlier, there is no argument you can find where consuming meat is necessary at all in this day and age. Not eating meat simply wins every single aspect you can talk about, health, longetivity, nutrition, economy, taste, saving money, energy, morality, etc. While on the other hand, eating meat is just extremely unnecessary, a toll on the environment, very unhealthy, causes death to innocent animals, and the only people who still follow that belief are people who are not willing to learn about the truth.

Pretty much the only reason people eat meat these days is that they were brought up that way, and it was taught to them that meat had protein (so does every plant food out there) and that for some reason you needed to eat it. For whatever reason. Kind of ridiculous now that I have furthered my knowledge and when I think back on what I used to do. I mean what was the reason why I ate it in the first place? No reason at all, just because I thought it was the normal thing to do. It's so unnecessary, there was literally no point in consuming it as I would have been much better off doing the opposite. Also most people will never question it, they think it's normal, so it's okay.

For example, if you are visiting these forums, most likely you come from a privileged society. You probably buy those plastic water bottles for $1 not realizing how stupid the companies are that make them. These bottles are made from plastic that will last for millions of years, while their one-time usage of storing tap water lasts only but a few minutes. Complete waste!



They often hide these dumps behind big walls, away from society, away from where you can see them. So most people go around their life thinking, Ah that one water bottle won't make a difference, let's not recycle and let's just throw it away like normal. Just goes to show how irresponsible and ignorant to the real issues a lot of people can be. Here's a body of water so polluted with garbage you don't even see the water underneath:



Yep. You know a large amount people voted for Obama just because he was black? They didn't listen to his opinion, his debates, what he argued for. They voted for him just because he was black. That's the reality of the world that we live in. Lots of ignorant people going about their day to day life not questioning why they act certain ways and they have no cause in life to fight for, no struggle.









Anyway I'll end this post with a quote from a guy who stopped eating meat:

"While undertaking this experiement, I noted a few changes in my body. I lost 5 pounds of body fat, going from 11% body fat to 8%, though I was eating as much as I wanted (anywhere from 3,600 to 4,400 calories a day).

I also noticed insane athletic recovery. I’m no Ironman triathlete, but I do like to get out there and hit it hard when I can. I had one day where I did 22 miles commuting on my bike, a superslow strength training workout at lunch, and 2 hours of footbag at night. The next morning I woke up fresh as a daisy not an ounce of soreness.

I slept better. I felt clear-headed. I was more productive at work.

I just felt better."

- This guy above did something very special by the way so let me know if you're interested in doing something similar to him to get similar results and I'll fill you in.

What's the best way to prevent death?

[gondel]

Eating meat is a great thing :)I just cannot go to bed if i didnt ate some animal
BR,
Gondel

[hilariousandco]

Pretty much the only reason people eat meat these days is that they were brought up that way, and it was taught to them that meat had protein (so does every plant food out there) and that for some reason you needed to eat it. For whatever reason. Kind of ridiculous now that I have furthered my knowledge and when I think back on what I used to do. I mean what was the reason why I ate it in the first place? No reason at all, just because I thought it was the normal thing to do. It's so unnecessary, there was literally no point in consuming it as I would have been much better off doing the opposite. Also most people will never question it, they think it's normal, so it's okay.

I think that's a good point. A similar comparison is religion. If you're brought up in free-thinking household it's very unlikely you'll grow up and pick up a Bible or Koran and think yep, this is legit and the way to go.

Eating meat is a great thing :)I just cannot go to bed if i didnt ate some animal
BR,
Gondel

Sounds like you're addicted if you need meat to get out of bed, but I guess we can file this comment under the 'childish meat-eater yet again tries to agitative non-meat eaters with puerility' category  .

[LostDutchman]

I like eating meat a lot,but vegetables are great too. 

Ima go fishing tomorrow.

My $.02.

[the joint]

Sorry I haven't gone in here in a few days, been busy with other stuff. However, I've been full on energy this entire time! XD. I'm loving it man.

In my opinion not eating meat is a very easy position to defend as it wins in every single aspect. Like I stated earlier, there is no argument you can find where consuming meat is necessary at all in this day and age. Not eating meat simply wins every single aspect you can talk about, health, longetivity, nutrition, economy, taste, saving money, energy, morality, etc. While on the other hand, eating meat is just extremely unnecessary, a toll on the environment, very unhealthy, causes death to innocent animals, and the only people who still follow that belief are people who are not willing to learn about the truth.

Pretty much the only reason people eat meat these days is that they were brought up that way, and it was taught to them that meat had protein (so does every plant food out there) and that for some reason you needed to eat it. For whatever reason. Kind of ridiculous now that I have furthered my knowledge and when I think back on what I used to do. I mean what was the reason why I ate it in the first place? No reason at all, just because I thought it was the normal thing to do. It's so unnecessary, there was literally no point in consuming it as I would have been much better off doing the opposite. Also most people will never question it, they think it's normal, so it's okay.

For example, if you are visiting these forums, most likely you come from a privileged society. You probably buy those plastic water bottles for $1 not realizing how stupid the companies are that make them. These bottles are made from plastic that will last for millions of years, while their one-time usage of storing tap water lasts only but a few minutes. Complete waste!



They often hide these dumps behind big walls, away from society, away from where you can see them. So most people go around their life thinking, Ah that one water bottle won't make a difference, let's not recycle and let's just throw it away like normal. Just goes to show how irresponsible and ignorant to the real issues a lot of people can be. Here's a body of water so polluted with garbage you don't even see the water underneath:



Yep. You know a large amount people voted for Obama just because he was black? They didn't listen to his opinion, his debates, what he argued for. They voted for him just because he was black. That's the reality of the world that we live in. Lots of ignorant people going about their day to day life not questioning why they act certain ways and they have no cause in life to fight for, no struggle.









Anyway I'll end this post with a quote from a guy who stopped eating meat:

"While undertaking this experiement, I noted a few changes in my body. I lost 5 pounds of body fat, going from 11% body fat to 8%, though I was eating as much as I wanted (anywhere from 3,600 to 4,400 calories a day).

I also noticed insane athletic recovery. I’m no Ironman triathlete, but I do like to get out there and hit it hard when I can. I had one day where I did 22 miles commuting on my bike, a superslow strength training workout at lunch, and 2 hours of footbag at night. The next morning I woke up fresh as a daisy not an ounce of soreness.

I slept better. I felt clear-headed. I was more productive at work.

I just felt better."

- This guy above did something very special by the way so let me know if you're interested in doing something similar to him to get similar results and I'll fill you in.

What's the best way to prevent death?

Responding to bolded sections:

1)  Eating vegetables isn't necessary in this day and age, either.  I know because I don't eat any (though I used to eat 16-24 oz. per day and all it gave me was bad gas and a distended stomach).

2)  Actually, meat wins in just about every category depending on the context and the person.

3)  You forgot taste, caloric density, evolutionary benefits, etc. (meat wins these, too).

4)  And farming with oil-based equipment and oil-based fertilizers giving way to produce shipped on oil-based trucks made from oil is pretty awesome for the environment.  So is raping and pillaging the homes of animals and insects to do so so that they die of starvation and misplacement.

5)  ANYone who buys bottled water is an idiot.

6)  All the other stuff you mentioned has nothing to do with vegan vs. meat.  You're really good (or rather, consistent) in talking about things that have nothing to do with the topic.

7)  Did I mention meat is healthier in many circumstances? 

[LostDutchman]

Gonna put out some live traps for bunnies.

Catch'em in the live trap, if they are right for slaughter and eating, a .22 to the head and the bunny heads for the table.

If not food quality; Mommy Bunny, baby, etc, just open the door and the bunny runs away to be caught another day.

We got like 89 gazillion bunnies around here, so no ecological loss and tasty stew, etc.

Nice furry skins also which I tan.

My $.02.

[Hazir]

And God said, "See, I have given you every herb [that] yields seed which [is] on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for food"; and it was so. Genesis 1:29-30

[LostDutchman]

And God said, "See, I have given you every herb [that] yields seed which [is] on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for food"; and it was so. Genesis 1:29-30

Horseshit.

Primitive Bronze Age superstition.

My $.02.

[the joint]

And God said, "See, I have given you every herb [that] yields seed which [is] on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for food"; and it was so. Genesis 1:29-30

Horseshit.

Primitive Bronze Age superstition.

My $.02.

Lmao.  Nice.

Edit:  Just so I can contribute something, I find it interesting that, when arguing from the scientific viewpoint isn't effective, they go for the Bible.

[LostDutchman]

And God said, "See, I have given you every herb [that] yields seed which [is] on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for food"; and it was so. Genesis 1:29-30

Horseshit.

Primitive Bronze Age superstition.

My $.02.

Lmao.  Nice.

Edit:  Just so I can contribute something, I find it interesting that, when arguing from the scientific viewpoint isn't effective, they go for the Bible.

Thank you for your kind reply.

Religion fries people's brains.

My $.02.

[hilariousandco]

And God said, "See, I have given you every herb [that] yields seed which [is] on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for food"; and it was so. Genesis 1:29-30

This is where we have many other contradictions. The bible says you can't eat many things: shellfish, pig, camel, rock badger, rabbit, eagle, vulture, buzzard, falcon, raven, crow, ostrich, owl, seagull, hawk, pelican, stork, heron, bat, winged insects that walk on four legs (unless they have joints to jump with like grasshoppers), bear, mole, mouse, lizard, gecko, crocodile, chameleon and snail.

http://monicks.net/2009/09/12/11-things-the-bible-bans-but-you-do-anyway/

[CoinGeneral]

Responding to bolded sections:

1)  Eating vegetables isn't necessary in this day and age, either.  I know because I don't eat any (though I used to eat 16-24 oz. per day and all it gave me was bad gas and a distended stomach).

2)  Actually, meat wins in just about every category depending on the context and the person.

3)  You forgot taste, caloric density, evolutionary benefits, etc. (meat wins these, too).

4)  And farming with oil-based equipment and oil-based fertilizers giving way to produce shipped on oil-based trucks made from oil is pretty awesome for the environment.  So is raping and pillaging the homes of animals and insects to do so so that they die of starvation and misplacement.

5)  ANYone who buys bottled water is an idiot.

6)  All the other stuff you mentioned has nothing to do with vegan vs. meat.  You're really good (or rather, consistent) in talking about things that have nothing to do with the topic.

7)  Did I mention meat is healthier in many circumstances?  

Translation: Meat wins in every category because it's the position I support and believe in, not because of facts or evidence. For example read my spaceship evolution diet later in this post.

Also I started out as a meat eater (like you) but thanks to some book reading and education, I tried something new and found out it was great.

I suggest reading some of the links I provide, watching the videos I provide, and also reading my posts instead of just saying you're right all the time, okay? I've taken up critical thought and fully knowing how both sides work, there are many stronger arguments against vegetarianism (that can still be taken down) that no one in this thread has ever mentioned. From my own research, experience, and critical thought though I've concluded that yes it tastes better, fills me up with more energy, has made me smarter, is cheaper too, you know there's really nothing bad I can say about it.

You say meat is better in these categories, what are your arguments, here are mine:

1) Taste. (Forget the fact that pretty much all herbs, spices, and sauces including barbecue sauce, are from plants).

Watch this video mate: http://www.today.com/food/today-puts-meatless-meat-test-does-it-taste-chicken-1D79579619

Click the link, watch the vid, read the article. Educate yourself.











It is so terrible man, the above food has no meat, tastes much better, is much cheaper to make, takes less time to prepare, has no animal cruelty, doesn't take months or years to raise, takes less water. Oh no it is way too terrible man!

I've been so weak and so stupid lately thanks to all these fruits and vegetables I've been eating, urgh no wonder the only thing you see those sick and obese people eating are fruits and vegetables, they are so bad for your health. Everywhere I go and see a fat dude, he's always eating some banana or chowing down on some broccoli, urgh. In the hospital all these sick people only eat apples and vegetables, proven to lower immune system and health, oh nooooo.

2: Caloric Density

Are you talking about more calories per 100g or less calories per 100g?

100g of steak has around 277 calories, we can round up to 300 calories if you want. Coconuts have 385 calories per 100g, but we can round down for you, to make it 300 calories per 100g. So both coconus and steak have same amount of calories per 100g. Prunes have 447 calories per cup, but we can round down to 300 calories per cup too if you want. Now they all have the same amount calories.

Wow you won. (<--- sarcasm)

3: Evolutionary Benefits

You talking about this evolutionary benefit?



Damn I'm sold!!

Now you say humans have evolved thanks to meat. There are also people that would argue against that, but I'll agree with you for now since most evidence would point to that conclusion as well.

For one second let's forget that humans have reached the top of the evolutionary chain. Let's forget that humans have the most impact on the planet. Let's forget that we have now reached a stage of comfort and lack of competition. Let's forget that to evolve as a species, it's necessary for the species to adapt to a new environment with new challenges.

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Humans still have very sharp claws that can rip flesh, we still have our superior noses, we still have our very sharp canine teeth that can tear through flesh, we are still able to consume dead flesh safely without cooking it, humans still have superior agility, we still have a bloodlust when we look at any animal such as a dog we just want to eat it, and when we see some road kill and smell it, it smells really good to eat right then and there.

Also evolution isn't about adapting at all! Because we reached a plateau in our evolution and conquered all forces of nature, let's just keep doing what we've always been doing our entire lives. That is the only way we can evolve as a species; by not doing anything new or different.

Just in case you start talking about outer space evolution or whatever:

In space, we can easily raise cows and chickens inside of our spaceships and bring them to other planets too. Instead of having plants inside of spaceships, let's just bring animals along with us and raise them for months and years while they take up a large supply of food, water, and other resources that we instead could have used instead. Instead of plants that can grow from light bulbs, has a faster time to create food, and only requires a small amount of water, let's bring live animals with us instead to space. Great idea. That is a really good idea and easily sustainable.
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Since we've reached an evolutionary peak as a species dominating all other lifeforms and reached comfort, the only way to evolve to the next evolutionary step is to adapt to a different lifestyle and diet.

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Anyway even Richard Dawkins says: "I wish everyone to be a vegetarian" or something like that.



In this day and age it's pretty crazy to imagine buying people, putting them in cramp spaces in boats for months giving them little food and care, selling them to other people, and then the people locking them up in tiny shacks at night with little food and care, and in the morning waking them up and having them work all day while whipping their backs and raping their women.

But it was pretty normal back then. Few people questioned the norm because it was what everyone else did. Then there were some few smart guys that said "Hey slavery ain't right" but then another group said "Yes it is cause we done it all the time, it done help us build the country"

Save that planet bro.

Some awesome advice:

DO NOT BECOME A VEGAN, VEGETARIAN, FRUITARIAN OR RAW FOODIST!!

[Bit_Happy]

Earlier I asked about natural control of diabetes, and part of the answer is exercise.
Daily exercise is very important to help control blood sugar levels.


@CoinGeneral, Now I'm hungry, some of those pictures look great. 

[hilariousandco]

Richard Dawkins isn't a vegetarian or vegan though he sympathises with them. Maybe what he says will become true though. The recent developments in laboratory grown meat could make it become the norm as it has many benefits, but mainly it makes a massive difference to the environment.

[Rigon]

I see nothing with wrong eating meat. We need the nutrition. The only thing I don't like is some animals are killed in a brutal manner is what bothers me.

[CoinGeneral]

Earlier I asked about natural control of diabetes, and part of the answer is exercise.
Daily exercise is very important to help control blood sugar levels.

@CoinGeneral, Now I'm hungry, some of those pictures look great. 

Watch out Bit_Happy! Don't compare nutritional facts of meatless meat vs real meat!

These patties are huge, mass of 106g, you wouldn't believe it was only 160 calories. They look like how they are in the pictures, wider than most burger buns. These come in packs of 12 for ~$10.50 so you can eat two a day and it will last you a week.



My favorite thing about them is that they are not mainly made up of soy. As you can see from the ingredients, it's made up of a bunch of different vegetables combined.  No artificial ingredients. And it tastes really really good. You can find these at some Wal-Marts, some Costcos, and some Sam's Clubs.

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Interesting facts about animal meat:
- They have zero fiber and are high in cholesterol
- They usually have zero carbs and have little if any antioxidants
- They are high in fats and high in the unhealthy kinds of fats
- Meat is treated with all sorts of toxics and chemicals crap not good for your body

Compare the nutrition facts above for the 106g of Veggie patty to this 85g of meat patty and tell me which one is better for you.

One of them makes you tired, fat, groggy, slow, the other makes you energized, healthy, fast! Oh nooo I wonder which is the right choice?!

I see nothing with wrong eating meat. We need the nutrition. The only thing I don't like is some animals are killed in a brutal manner is what bothers me.

Oh definitely man, we need all those fats and cholesterols fo sho! I also know for a fact that cigarettes are bad for my health, waste of money, and unnecessary, but I'll smoke 'em anyway cause I be like F society dawg!!

Richard Dawkins isn't a vegetarian or vegan though he sympathises with them. Maybe what he says will become true though. The recent developments in laboratory grown meat could make it become the norm as it has many benefits, but mainly it makes a massive difference to the environment.

Yeah I know ain't that ironic?



Also have any of you gone a day without meat or do you eat it daily for breakfast, lunch, and dinner? I used to eat meat daily 3 times a day too, until I found out how unnecessary that was! I was like *Facepalm*! Similar to smoking, just a waste of money, damage to health, and completely unnecessary. Zero reason other than "Just cause"