[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[mmortal03]

Meanwhile, our core-team member Riccardo "fluffypony" Spagni is currently present at the Satoshi Roundtable:
http://satoshiroundtable.org/

Here he is, being interviewed there on Bitcoin Uncensored (still live, so go back to about 6 minutes in from the beginning):

https://youtu.be/PKd7F-10lxM

[dEBRUYNE]

Meanwhile, our core-team member Riccardo "fluffypony" Spagni is currently present at the Satoshi Roundtable:
http://satoshiroundtable.org/

Here he is, being interviewed there on Bitcoin Uncensored (still live, so go back to about 6 minutes in from the beginning):

https://youtu.be/PKd7F-10lxM

Here is the full vid, fluffypony is on from ~6:00 until ~32:00 and gives a little interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKd7F-10lxM

[Drhiggins]

so little free time these days. well, I've discovered its easy to have free time, its more difficult to have free project time. I.e., 3 hour chunks. I've found with 1 hour I can't do squat.

Right now I'm trying for the life of me to get the goddamned UUI to work again. somehow or another unetbootin just borked my USB drive, so now that damn thing either won't boot, and when it did, it went straight to the live OS (with no installer menu / process).

I know, I know, not monero's problems. But yeah.

When I get the monerodo OS happy again, i'll make videos. As it stands now, the existing iso files should only be used by those who can hack some of the config files.

GingerAle do you think you will ever make a Monerodo for a Raspberry Pi?

[GingerAle]

so little free time these days. well, I've discovered its easy to have free time, its more difficult to have free project time. I.e., 3 hour chunks. I've found with 1 hour I can't do squat.

Right now I'm trying for the life of me to get the goddamned UUI to work again. somehow or another unetbootin just borked my USB drive, so now that damn thing either won't boot, and when it did, it went straight to the live OS (with no installer menu / process).

I know, I know, not monero's problems. But yeah.

When I get the monerodo OS happy again, i'll make videos. As it stands now, the existing iso files should only be used by those who can hack some of the config files.

GingerAle do you think you will ever make a Monerodo for a Raspberry Pi?

i don't want to deal with the 32 bit nonsense. perhaps when I get this Pine64 in the mail things will work on that:

http://www.geek.com/chips/15-pine-a64-is-trying-to-be-a-faster-64-bit-raspberry-pi-1641789/

and lets be honest here.. monerodo is just any working configuration of monero, pool server, and mining software... dunno why im shooting myself down, but there it is.

[Bicmac1973]

so little free time these days. well, I've discovered its easy to have free time, its more difficult to have free project time. I.e., 3 hour chunks. I've found with 1 hour I can't do squat.

Right now I'm trying for the life of me to get the goddamned UUI to work again. somehow or another unetbootin just borked my USB drive, so now that damn thing either won't boot, and when it did, it went straight to the live OS (with no installer menu / process).

I know, I know, not monero's problems. But yeah.

When I get the monerodo OS happy again, i'll make videos. As it stands now, the existing iso files should only be used by those who can hack some of the config files.

GingerAle do you think you will ever make a Monerodo for a Raspberry Pi?

i don't want to deal with the 32 bit nonsense. perhaps when I get this Pine64 in the mail things will work on that:

http://www.geek.com/chips/15-pine-a64-is-trying-to-be-a-faster-64-bit-raspberry-pi-1641789/

and lets be honest here.. monerodo is just any working configuration of monero, pool server, and mining software... dunno why im shooting myself down, but there it is.

Next Raspberry will be 64bit (in German: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Raspberry-Pi-3-mit-WLAN-Bluetooth-und-64-Bit-3119537.html).

Any chance for that cute little gadget?

[GingerAle]

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Woohooo! now we can provide solutions and knowledge with little vote thingies for answers and what-have-you.

[Hueristic]

@Fluffy, Error while sending.

Code:

A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, open the script in the debugger, or let the script continue.

Script: https://mymonero.com/js/crypto.js?1:1

Next error:

Code:

Something unexpected occurred when submitting your transaction: Invalid transaction

Signed out and tried again and got while sending:

Code:

Failed to get unspent outs

Back to this.

Code:

Something unexpected occurred when submitting your transaction: Invalid transaction

[americanpegasus]

Next Raspberry will be 64bit (in German: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Raspberry-Pi-3-mit-WLAN-Bluetooth-und-64-Bit-3119537.html).

Any chance for that cute little gadget?

Sounds like a great chance to cheaply found 18.4 Inc.

[dEBRUYNE]

@Fluffy, Error while sending.

Code:

A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, open the script in the debugger, or let the script continue.

Script: https://mymonero.com/js/crypto.js?1:1

Next error:

Code:

Something unexpected occurred when submitting your transaction: Invalid transaction

Signed out and tried again and got while sending:

Code:

Failed to get unspent outs

Back to this.

Code:

Something unexpected occurred when submitting your transaction: Invalid transaction

General remark here, if you incur an error please contact support (as well) -> support[at]mymonero[dot]com

[Hueristic]

@Fluffy, Error while sending.

Code:

A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, open the script in the debugger, or let the script continue.

Script: https://mymonero.com/js/crypto.js?1:1

Next error:

Code:

Something unexpected occurred when submitting your transaction: Invalid transaction

Signed out and tried again and got while sending:

Code:

Failed to get unspent outs

Back to this.

Code:

Something unexpected occurred when submitting your transaction: Invalid transaction

General remark here, if you incur an error please contact support (as well) -> support[at]mymonero[dot]com

Not the end of the world, figured I'd let others know as well. I Pm'd Fluffy a link to the post. When he signs on he'll get it. I'd rather not bother him while he's at the conference.

[phishead]

so little free time these days. well, I've discovered its easy to have free time, its more difficult to have free project time. I.e., 3 hour chunks. I've found with 1 hour I can't do squat.

Right now I'm trying for the life of me to get the goddamned UUI to work again. somehow or another unetbootin just borked my USB drive, so now that damn thing either won't boot, and when it did, it went straight to the live OS (with no installer menu / process).

I know, I know, not monero's problems. But yeah.

When I get the monerodo OS happy again, i'll make videos. As it stands now, the existing iso files should only be used by those who can hack some of the config files.

GingerAle do you think you will ever make a Monerodo for a Raspberry Pi?

i don't want to deal with the 32 bit nonsense. perhaps when I get this Pine64 in the mail things will work on that:

http://www.geek.com/chips/15-pine-a64-is-trying-to-be-a-faster-64-bit-raspberry-pi-1641789/

and lets be honest here.. monerodo is just any working configuration of monero, pool server, and mining software... dunno why im shooting myself down, but there it is.

Ok, I guess I'm sort of confused... last I heard, Monero was "ASIC resistant"... couldn't you turn this pine64 into an ASIC to run a node and mine with by running monerodo on it, or just installing everything on there yourself and customizing it if you choose to do so? 

Also, is it too late to buy the $15 version? It says that it's currently sold out.

[saddambitcoin]

a pine64 is still a general purpose computer, it can never be an ASIC.

[binaryFate]

[...]
Ok, I guess I'm sort of confused... last I heard, Monero was "ASIC resistant"... couldn't you turn this pine64 into an ASIC to run a node and mine with by running monerodo on it, or just installing everything on there yourself and customizing it if you choose to do so? 

Also, is it too late to buy the $15 version? It says that it's currently sold out.

There is no such thing as "ASIC resistance". What you can do (which Monero does fairly well) is to reduce the performance gap between different technologies (CPU -> GPU -> FPGA -> ASIC) and increase the cost of building the high-end technologies (in this case FPGA and ASIC). The result is that (i) ASICs are not worth building for a long time, until the price increases a lot (way more than Bitcoin price when ASIC became a thing), and (ii) The apparition of a new technology doesn't render the previous ones obsolete. You already see (ii) in action in Monero: you have GPU mining, but still CPU mining is worth doing. That was not much the case with Bitcoin because the performance gap was larger.

"couldn't you turn this pine64 into an ASIC": No. ASIC stands for "Application Specific Integrated Circuit". It is build, at the hardware level in the fondry, to do only one specific thing, and nothing else. That raspy is build to be a general purpose device. You can't turn things to be an ASIC for this or that: either they are build for this or that, or they aren't.
 

[smooth]

couldn't you turn this pine64 into an ASIC

Of course not. ASIC stands for Application Specific Integrated Circuit. The pine64 is a general purpose device. 

If it turns out to mine well, go ahead and mine on it, but that's no different from any other CPU or GPU that happens to be good for mining.

EDIT: Heh, I see I'm the third person to post the same reply. I guess we think alike. LOL.

[phishead]

[...]
Ok, I guess I'm sort of confused... last I heard, Monero was "ASIC resistant"... couldn't you turn this pine64 into an ASIC to run a node and mine with by running monerodo on it, or just installing everything on there yourself and customizing it if you choose to do so? 

Also, is it too late to buy the $15 version? It says that it's currently sold out.

There is no such thing as "ASIC resistance". What you can do (which Monero does fairly well) is to reduce the performance gap between different technologies (CPU -> GPU -> FPGA -> ASIC) and increase the cost of building the high-end technologies (in this case FPGA and ASIC). The result is that (i) ASICs are not worth building for a long time, until the price increases a lot (way more than Bitcoin price when ASIC became a thing), and (ii) The apparition of a new technology doesn't render the previous ones obsolete. You already see (ii) in action in Monero: you have GPU mining, but still CPU mining is worth doing. That was not much the case with Bitcoin because the performance gap was larger.

"couldn't you turn this pine64 into an ASIC": No. ASIC stands for "Application Specific Integrated Circuit". It is build, at the hardware level in the fondry, to do only one specific thing, and nothing else. That raspy is build to be a general purpose device. You can't turn things to be an ASIC for this or that: either they are build for this or that, or they aren't.
 

Thanks for the response.  So in this case with the Pine or RasPi, wouldn't buying a couple of cheap computers like these to solo mine with (to support the network) be worth it, instead of trying to mine with an old computer that I have?  It's a 64 bit, but it's like one of the first ones and runs pretty slowly.. maybe when I wipe off all the memory when installing Ubuntu it will run faster?

Or do these things suck up a shit ton of power or something?  I just feel like $15 for a mining device that you could put something like monerodo on is pretty well worth it.

[smooth]

Or do these things suck up a shit ton of power or something?

No, RPi-like devices are generally very efficient and run off cell phone chargers or slightly larger power supplies. They don't use a lot of power.

Whether the pine64 is a good mining device will be something people will need to figure out by testing them.

[phishead]

Or do these things suck up a shit ton of power or something?

No, RPi-like devices are generally very efficient and run off cell phone chargers or slightly larger power supplies. They don't use a lot of power.

Whether the pine64 is a good mining device will be something people will need to figure out by testing them.

Hmm.... well it looks like I'm late to the party anyways and can't pre order one now since it says it's "sold out" of the basic version, I wouldn't want to put $4 extra per device for something that's only going to allow me "touch panel and camera support".

I guess I'll wait and see what the reviews are after they are made and see what price they will set them too when they start producing more of them.  Sounds pretty awesome to me though; especially to have something as small as that you could set aside in the corner of your room and forget about for a while.

[americanpegasus]

Theoretical exercise: If I have free electricity, how can I most effectively spend $1,000 to purchase Monero mining equipment?  A single, supercharged, AMD-based gaming computer?  Two mid-range boxes?  Five low end bare bones machines?

[smooth]

Theoretical exercise: If I have free electricity, how can I most effectively spend $1,000 to purchase Monero mining equipment?  A single, supercharged, AMD-based gaming computer?  Two mid-range boxes?  Five low end bare bones machines?

One or two cheap motherboard+cpu+RAM with a bunch (probably 4-5) of GPUs in each. GingerAle knows more about which GPUs to use.

[dEBRUYNE]

MAAM #5: "Monero Ask Anything Monday"!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4877ew/maam_5_monero_ask_anything_monday/