[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[fluffypony]

Sorry guys, but Im not happy with how things are going! The logo is dull and plain as hell and doesnt stick out among 100 generic insurance company logos you can find in any phone book. Thats not even the troubling part. What really grinds my gears is that apparently you tackle the "professional" approach to run this project from the wrong end, submitting to some BS ISO compliance codes and choosing generic company logos for a project like this in a community like this is clearly the wrong way to go. You are supposed to think outside the box and not try to fit in it! This is the Crypto Revolution and not some credit card scheme 2.0. Please take the courage to be original, the community will thank you for it.

I like the Missives post and hope to see more of it regularly to keep us in the loop. Thats where Monero could shine over Bitcoins detached development team. Pls go on!

Monero should always be handled professionally. This is not a libertarian wet dream from our perspective; we are trying to build and create something that will allow for financial transactions that are secure, private, and untraceable. We do not define use-cases for the project, which means that everything should always be kept clean and above-board:)

[sorryforthat]

Monero should always be handled professionally. This is not a libertarian wet dream from our perspective; we are trying to build and create something that will allow for financial transactions that are secure, private, and untraceable. We do not define use-cases for the project, which means that everything should always be kept clean and above-board:)

When it comes to mainstream a lot is still looked over. The level of transparency compared to banks and other market is almost non-existent. So the constant fear that is seen in the thread from the select few seems moot. Adoption will happen and this coin will stray from traditional roots because it works, this is all too unavoidable.

[Keyboard-Mash]

lol - that's my wife's alma mater, top notch university:)

Ha, pretty small world I guess!



Not sure if I've seen this posted here yet, but there was a pretty good article about Monero and Bytecoin:

http://www.coinssource.com/monero-cryptonote-bytecoin-2nd-generation-anonymity/

There was also an article on bter discussing both currencies (if you can't understand, google translate does a decent enough translation):

https://cn.bter.com/article/655

[coine_smithe]

I agree with people who dislike the new logo. Things it reminds me of: a software company, a local skilled tradesman's logo (carpet cleaning, electrician, etc.), an employment agency, a corporation. In no way does it strike me as money. The site also has that very early 2000's vibe. It doesn't have that hip web 2.0 feel. Overall the branding is very poor in my opinion.

I'd also like to note that volume is falling and the price is flatlining while this coin idles away on Poloniex and Bittrex. I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse. Blackcoin and Darkcoin are also not finished yet but they are still on there. When Darkcoin got put on there it was very early development compared to now. I feel there's some sentiment in this thread that people want the price low so people can accumulate the coin. Well if the price falls then the only people accumulating will be the hardcore fans and the idea that staying off Mintpal will improve distribution is faulty in my opinion.

I really like this coin and I'd like it to succeed but at least in the short term things are looking very rough around the edges.

[smooth]

I agree with people who dislike the new logo. Things it reminds me of: a software company, a local skilled tradesman's logo (carpet cleaning, electrician, etc.), an employment agency, a corporation. In no way does it strike me as money. The site also has that very early 2000's vibe. It doesn't have that hip web 2.0 feel. Overall the branding is very poor in my opinion.

I'd also like to note that volume is falling and the price is flatlining while this coin idles away on Poloniex and Bittrex. I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse. Blackcoin and Darkcoin are also not finished yet but they are still on there. When Darkcoin got put on there it was very early development compared to now. I feel there's some sentiment in this thread that people want the price low so people can accumulate the coin. Well if the price falls then the only people accumulating will be the hardcore fans and the idea that staying off Mintpal will improve distribution is faulty in my opinion.

I really like this coin and I'd like it to succeed but at least in the short term things are looking very rough around the edges.

There is no grand plan to stay off Mintpal. Mintpal just hasn't shown the interest in doing the development work to support cryptonote-based coins (totally different code base than everything else), as Poloniex and Bittrex did. At least not quickly.

If you want it on Mintpal, go tell Mintpal.  1000 users telling Mintpal they want it has more influence on them than we do.

Also, the web site will definitely be revamped. We had to put something functional (to host downloads and tutorials, etc.) up quickly and that's what we got. A better web site is in progress.

[sorryforthat]

I agree with people who dislike the new logo. Things it reminds me of: a software company, a local skilled tradesman's logo (carpet cleaning, electrician, etc.), an employment agency, a corporation. In no way does it strike me as money. The site also has that very early 2000's vibe. It doesn't have that hip web 2.0 feel. Overall the branding is very poor in my opinion.

I'd also like to note that volume is falling and the price is flatlining while this coin idles away on Poloniex and Bittrex. I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse. Blackcoin and Darkcoin are also not finished yet but they are still on there. When Darkcoin got put on there it was very early development compared to now. I feel there's some sentiment in this thread that people want the price low so people can accumulate the coin. Well if the price falls then the only people accumulating will be the hardcore fans and the idea that staying off Mintpal will improve distribution is faulty in my opinion.

I really like this coin and I'd like it to succeed but at least in the short term things are looking very rough around the edges.

Says people who want fast cash over innovation and a life behind the coin

[coine_smithe]

Says people who want fast cash over innovation and a life behind the coin

I'm sorry I don't understand your point. Are you saying I want fast cash or people who don't want it on Mintpal want fast cash? I actually don't own any of this coin right now because the price is falling.

I've also not had time yet to set up the miner. I tried but spent a few hours and ran into errors. I will try again soon though.

I just think to compete and draw in more community who can help build this coin it is important to get on a bigger exchange. This could be done by rallying support to petition Mintpal to at least add it to voting, or try to pass the hat around to buy votes, etc.

There is no grand plan to stay off Mintpal. Mintpal just hasn't shown the interest in doing the development work to support cryptonote-based coins (totally different code base than everything else), as Poloniex and Bittrex did. At least not quickly.

If you want it on Mintpal, go tell Mintpal.  1000 users telling Mintpal they want it has more influence on them than we do.

Also, the web site will definitely be revamped. We had to put something functional (to host downloads and tutorials, etc.) up quickly and that's what we got. A better web site is in progress.

Thanks for the reply. I wrote some of these ideas before in this thread but didn't get much of a reply. I understand Mintpal seems to have had a chance to add this coin based on volume but passed. I think if there was a concentrated community effort to petition Mintpal then they might be more proactive. At the very least we should get them to add it to the voting list. It has more volume than almost all the coins on the voting lilst.

It's good to know the website will be worked on as well.

[drawingthesun]

I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse.

I've asked many times. I have asked to also be listed on the voting page many times.

They don't care for Monero.

Not really sure what else you want to do? Perhaps pay them some Bitcoins, they might add Monero then.

[coine_smithe]

I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse.

I've asked many times. I have asked to also be listed on the voting page many times.

They don't care for Monero.

Not really sure what else you want to do? Perhaps pay them some Bitcoins, they might add Monero then.

I said this before in this thread and some people said they didn't want it on Mintpal. I didn't know that someone had tried to ask them. That is a shame that they are not interested. Have you actually recieved a reply from them or did they just not respond?

[drawingthesun]

I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse.

I've asked many times. I have asked to also be listed on the voting page many times.

They don't care for Monero.

Not really sure what else you want to do? Perhaps pay them some Bitcoins, they might add Monero then.

I said this before in this thread and some people said they didn't want it on Mintpal. I didn't know that someone had tried to ask them. That is a shame that they are not interested. Have you actually recieved a reply from them or did they just not respond?

I sent them support request for voting and got no replies, I then asked on IRC and also talked to both the Mintpal people on IRC via PM and every time they just were not interested at all.

I asked every 3 days for a while to see if they change their minds whilst Monero market was growing but they don't care.

So yeah I got replies.

Not interested for now.

[Keyboard-Mash]

I said this before in this thread and some people said they didn't want it on Mintpal. I didn't know that someone had tried to ask them. That is a shame that they are not interested. Have you actually recieved a reply from them or did they just not respond?

Hello,

Thanks for your suggestion, however as MRO is not based off bitcoin we cannot currently add it. We will be looking at it again a few months down the line.

Regards,
Jay
​MintPal

That was received May 18

[drawingthesun]

...

That was received May 18

Cool. Good nice proof right there.

To everyone who wants Mintpal:

Can we stop talking about Mintpal now? It makes the Monero community seem desperate.

We asked and that is it. I will not beg.

[King7-]

Buy volume is going up on exchanges. Price is underrated at the moment.

[coine_smithe]

Hello,

Thanks for your suggestion, however as MRO is not based off bitcoin we cannot currently add it. We will be looking at it again a few months down the line.

Regards,
Jay
​MintPal

That was received May 18

Thanks for sharing. That is very disappointing. I think if other smaller exchanges are capable of adding it that they could as well. I bet they don't want a disruptive technology competing with their other star coins at the moment.

Cool. Good nice proof right there.

To everyone who wants Mintpal:

Can we stop talking about Mintpal now? It makes the Monero community seem desperate.

We asked and that is it. I will not beg.

Yes I think that now that this in this thread it will be searchable for people who have the same concern. I have heard other people on Twitter and trollboxes wondering the same question of why this coin has not gotten on Mintpal/voting list.

I understand that you don't want to beg. Obviously that was tried which I think is a good idea personally. Now it seems the only option is to develop the coin further and let the volume come, and once that happens Mintpal will add it once the money is there.

[fluffypony]

I agree with people who dislike the new logo. Things it reminds me of: a software company, a local skilled tradesman's logo (carpet cleaning, electrician, etc.), an employment agency, a corporation. In no way does it strike me as money. The site also has that very early 2000's vibe. It doesn't have that hip web 2.0 feel. Overall the branding is very poor in my opinion.

I'd also like to note that volume is falling and the price is flatlining while this coin idles away on Poloniex and Bittrex. I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse. Blackcoin and Darkcoin are also not finished yet but they are still on there. When Darkcoin got put on there it was very early development compared to now. I feel there's some sentiment in this thread that people want the price low so people can accumulate the coin. Well if the price falls then the only people accumulating will be the hardcore fans and the idea that staying off Mintpal will improve distribution is faulty in my opinion.

I really like this coin and I'd like it to succeed but at least in the short term things are looking very rough around the edges.

Good - the logo shouldn't strike you as money. Monero is not money. It's a store of value and a very private medium of exchange. The sooner we stop thinking about "money" in the traditional sense the better, as that thinking limits and retards our ability to innovate. And, at any rate, the arguments you make could equally be applied to Google - "The logo reminds me of a children's toy. In no way does it strike me as innovative or even a search engine. The Google search page doesn't have that hip web 2.0 feel. Overall Google's branding is very poor in my opinion."

In terms of the website, have you read this week's Monero Missives? I'm guessing you haven't yet - probably a good starting point before discussing the branding.

Lastly, we are not in control of exchanges or their adoption strategy. I will say this much: Blackcoin and Darkcoin are forked from Bitcoin. The amount of effort required by an exchange to add them is exactly 0. Monero requires a massive code change; it requires two daemons to operate (we are working on bundling this for exchanges) and it requires a vastly different RPC API. It more than likely requires a major change to the underlying database design, since payments are made to a single address with a different payment ID per-user. Watching for deposits is also challenging: the get_payments RPC API call needs to be polled for every payment ID instead of just hammering 'listreceivedbyaddress <min_confs> false' as one would for a Bitcoin-forked cryptocurrency.

This is why Monero can do things that the Bitcoin-forked cryptocurrencies can't do at all (or can't do cleanly and in a non-kludgy way), but it means that exchange pickup will be slow. Instead of viewing the Monero development timeline as you would view some Bitcoin-fork that has 99% of the work handed to it on a silver platter, view it instead as Bitcoin was in February, 2009, when it was nary a month old, but with the advantage of some network effect and peripheral infrastructure already in play. Ask yourself: what would you expect of Bitcoin in the beginning of 2009? If Monero succeeds it will not do so because of a slick website or a logo, it will be because it provides a unified user experience whilst delivering on the promise of being secure, private, and untraceable.

[Keyboard-Mash]

Actually, I sent quite a few requests out

Hello xxxxx,

Thank you for introducing me to this coin.
I have submitted your coin to our development team who will review it
to see if it meets our requirements for addition to the Cryptsy exchange.
If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know.


Sincerely,
Ginny
Cryptsy.com

No follow up.

Also got no response from bter:

##- Please type your reply above this line -##

Your request (4638) has been received and is being reviewed by our support staff.

To add additional comments, reply to this email.

[fluffypony]

I think you're taking a professional and forward-thinking approach. And you picked the right logo, regardless of what the rabble here thinks.

The "Monero" text could use some work (aliasing & perhaps a different font choice), and the pallete could be tweaked. But no rush -- that kind of polishing can happen in time, perhaps when you can consult with / employ branding experts.

Also it's worth pointing out: there's a certain level of trolling on these forums in which trolls trash-talk positive developments in the hope of instilling doubt and perhaps even getting those positive changes reversed. Take care when you listen to the community. Consult experts where possible.

One of our designers did a bunch of tweaking and switched to the paid-for version of Century Gothic (because of quality concerns on the free one) - thoughts on the changes that were made? Here: https://i.imgur.com/0ed1UIV.jpg

[ponch85]

I think they want to earn and buy at a good price and then get into mintpal, then all landfill.
mintpal has a volume of almost all other exchange

[curetheworld]

I see there are some comments about getting monero onto the voting list at Crypsty
We can try add a new topic below, If we get enough comments and "likes/votes" then we might have a better chance of them added it to the exchange.

https://cryptsy.freshdesk.com/support/discussions/forums/4000000207/recent

[coine_smithe]

Thanks for explaining things to me Fluffypony. I feel much more up to speed on what's going on with this coin and the challenges it faces. Hopefully anyone with the same questions will be able to find this discussion that's happened in the last couple pages in this thread without repeating the same questions as me. 

Monero is not money. It's a store of value and a very private medium of exchange.

Although I disagree with you here. I like to think of distributed ledger systems like Bitcoin and Monero as a new type of money that has even more features than money of the past. You said yourself it's a store of value (cash stores my value) and it's a private medium of exchange (just like cash). The blockchain can admittedly be used for things that have nothing to do with money like domain names and voting systems.

I guess my question is, is your point of contention with calling Monero money that you fear people will think of it as only money and disregard its other potential uses? Obviously it has some of the properties of what we traditionally think of as money (and possibly more) but I don't know if it's helpful to try and stop people from calling it money. For now it's the best word we have. I also like digital currency (virtual currency is bad because it implies it is fake or ephemeral). Cryptocurrency is also nice but it is not as useful as money or digital currency when explaining these things to laypersons.