[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[smooth]

I believe others have suggested this already, in any case, adding my vote:
If not moving to a dedicated forum right away, could we at least move to a moderated thread now and lock this one for good?
The community in general & the dev team, have shown to be more than receptive to constructive criticism and debate in numerous occasions throughout this thread, but the noise from trolls & fuds'ters is getting to be too much really.

Yeah I agree this latest flood of trolling is a bit much, worse than we've ever seen before. If it doesn't subside soon we will probably do that, but lets give it a few days and see how things go. A lot is happening right now...

Meanwhile I strongly suggest the ignore button

[oda.krell]

I believe others have suggested this already, in any case, adding my vote:
If not moving to a dedicated forum right away, could we at least move to a moderated thread now and lock this one for good?
The community in general & the dev team, have shown to be more than receptive to constructive criticism and debate in numerous occasions throughout this thread, but the noise from trolls & fuds'ters is getting to be too much really.

Yeah I agree this latest flood of trolling is a bit much, worse than we've ever seen before. If it doesn't subside soon we will probably do that, but lets give it a few days and see how things go. A lot is happening right now...

Support from my side.

I'm usually extremely skeptical of self-moderated threads, but the level of trolling, anti-trolling and anti-meta-trolling in here is a bit too much even for my taste.

I agree, best to wait a few days, let things settle down, then re-open the main threads that have historically been the focal point of the trolls as self-moderated.

I'd personally like to see you (smooth) as the mod in that case. I've already seen in the speculation thread that you're fair in moderating, and don't remove critical comments, only those that are completely off-topic or obvious trolling attempts.

[rdnkjdi]

I disagree with the self moderated thread.  Several other coins are specifically NOT open to negative discussions and become a blind group circlejerk.

While I have no fear of that happening to XMR (at least to the extent I've seen in other places) I feel leaving the main chat thread unmoderated speaks volumes about it's legitimacy.

[bobthebobo]

But if you look closely at my history of calling coins dead or dying you'll see I was always spot on. No misscalls in my history. Not yet anyway!

Why you had to kill Monero Bob, why, to think they used your name to illustrate Ring Signatures.

I was like you, I thought my group of traders was the world until I realized they weren't and the backstabbing was going on forever, you are pathetic Bob, you are nobody.

[rpietila]

I disagree with the self moderated thread.  Several other coins are specifically NOT open to negative discussions and become a blind group circlejerk.

While I have no fear of that happening to XMR (at least to the extent I've seen in other places) I feel leaving the main chat thread unmoderated speaks volumes about it's legitimacy.

In online forums, there are little ways to differentiate legitimate speaking from malicious. Established members recognize each other (reputation) but occasional lurkers do not have this guide. It is easy to affect the quality of discussion, and even the perception of community opinion, by cheap methods that are difficult to thwart. This is why they are so commonly used.

There is, for example, no realistic reason for any actual cryptoperson to hate let's say Monero. Yet by reading the forums, there is a perception that there is a large anti-Monero crowd there. In actuality there is not. The number of Monero users is over 10,000 and they are happy with their using. A small number of accounts is spreading their negative view.

This could be mitigated by making the posting costly, by instituting a minimum reputation threshold, by making a per-post fee, by making it needed to show that the poster actually has Moneros if he is going to talk about it, etc. These measures have not been implemented. The only way to deal with trolls is deleting their posts, which angers them, or ignoring them, which leaves the main problem - affecting the perception of the lurkers - uncured.

We in the Monero community have not yet reached the consensus on how to tackle this angle of attack. Some members have hinted that dedicated forums are coming. This is definitely a good development. The "insiders" of the coin need discussion channels where there is no interference. Yet, the importance of Bitcoin Forum > Other > Alternate cryptocurrencies is really big and there are no plans to leave it.

There has been talk about Monero having more than its fair share of threads and activity in this forum. Now that is complete bullshit. The Alternate cryptocurrencies main (without even the [ANN] and others) has 31,440 threads total, of which the 20 or so Monero threads that are started by Monero supporters are hardly an excessive percentage. That many of the Monero threads are in the first page, speaks about the vitality of the community. Monero is a new coin, and ranks about TOP-5 in $ value of emission per day and trade volume. Also it is very easy to not see Monero-related stuff - just not click those threads!

We believe this multi-pronged attack has gone a little too far now, and there might be retaliation coming.

[Njall]

I disagree with the self moderated thread.  Several other coins are specifically NOT open to negative discussions and become a blind group circlejerk.

While I have no fear of that happening to XMR (at least to the extent I've seen in other places) I feel leaving the main chat thread unmoderated speaks volumes about it's legitimacy.

I agree with moderation. Just shoot them down, easy peasy quickly done. BANG! BANG!

I even programmed an addon for muting Trollbox Trolls, it's here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776060.msg8746634#msg8746634

[rdnkjdi]

I disagree with the self moderated thread.  Several other coins are specifically NOT open to negative discussions and become a blind group circlejerk.

While I have no fear of that happening to XMR (at least to the extent I've seen in other places) I feel leaving the main chat thread unmoderated speaks volumes about it's legitimacy.

In online forums, there are little ways to differentiate legitimate speaking from malicious. Established members recognize each other (reputation) but occasional lurkers do not have this guide. It is easy to affect the quality of discussion, and even the perception of community opinion, by cheap methods that are difficult to thwart. This is why they are so commonly used.

There is, for example, no realistic reason for any actual cryptoperson to hate let's say Monero. Yet by reading the forums, there is a perception that there is a large anti-Monero crowd there. In actuality there is not. The number of Monero users is over 10,000 and they are happy with their using. A small number of accounts is spreading their negative view.

This could be mitigated by making the posting costly, by instituting a minimum reputation threshold, by making a per-post fee, by making it needed to show that the poster actually has Moneros if he is going to talk about it, etc. These measures have not been implemented. The only way to deal with trolls is deleting their posts, which angers them, or ignoring them, which leaves the main problem - affecting the perception of the lurkers - uncured.

We in the Monero community have not yet reached the consensus on how to tackle this angle of attack. Some members have hinted that dedicated forums are coming. This is definitely a good development. The "insiders" of the coin need discussion channels where there is no interference. Yet, the importance of Bitcoin Forum > Other > Alternate cryptocurrencies is really big and there are no plans to leave it.

There has been talk about Monero having more than its fair share of threads and activity in this forum. Now that is complete bullshit. The Alternate cryptocurrencies main (without even the [ANN] and others) has 31,440 threads total, of which the 20 or so Monero threads that are started by Monero supporters are hardly an excessive percentage. That many of the Monero threads are in the first page, speaks about the vitality of the community. Monero is a new coin, and ranks about TOP-5 in $ value of emission per day and trade volume. Also it is very easy to not see Monero-related stuff - just not click those threads!

We believe this multi-pronged attack has gone a little too far now, and there might be retaliation coming.

The issue is fighting stupidity with censorship in an area dedicated to total anarchy winds up getting you labelled with the other moderated regimes.  

I would have no problem moving to alternate forums but on bitcointalk I think non moderated helps the image.  People can create whatever stupid threads in the main area they want even if we do moderate the chat thread to try & make Monero look like a fool.  Which is what they've done.

Locking down and moderating this thread is a largely defensive move that I think would backfire.

[mrpopgun]

I don't get all the hoopla over Bob's posts.  He always says the exact same thing

     "This user is currently ignored."

 

[generalizethis]

I disagree with the self moderated thread.  Several other coins are specifically NOT open to negative discussions and become a blind group circlejerk.

While I have no fear of that happening to XMR (at least to the extent I've seen in other places) I feel leaving the main chat thread unmoderated speaks volumes about it's legitimacy.

In online forums, there are little ways to differentiate legitimate speaking from malicious. Established members recognize each other (reputation) but occasional lurkers do not have this guide. It is easy to affect the quality of discussion, and even the perception of community opinion, by cheap methods that are difficult to thwart. This is why they are so commonly used.

There is, for example, no realistic reason for any actual cryptoperson to hate let's say Monero. Yet by reading the forums, there is a perception that there is a large anti-Monero crowd there. In actuality there is not. The number of Monero users is over 10,000 and they are happy with their using. A small number of accounts is spreading their negative view.

This could be mitigated by making the posting costly, by instituting a minimum reputation threshold, by making a per-post fee, by making it needed to show that the poster actually has Moneros if he is going to talk about it, etc. These measures have not been implemented. The only way to deal with trolls is deleting their posts, which angers them, or ignoring them, which leaves the main problem - affecting the perception of the lurkers - uncured.

We in the Monero community have not yet reached the consensus on how to tackle this angle of attack. Some members have hinted that dedicated forums are coming. This is definitely a good development. The "insiders" of the coin need discussion channels where there is no interference. Yet, the importance of Bitcoin Forum > Other > Alternate cryptocurrencies is really big and there are no plans to leave it.

There has been talk about Monero having more than its fair share of threads and activity in this forum. Now that is complete bullshit. The Alternate cryptocurrencies main (without even the [ANN] and others) has 31,440 threads total, of which the 20 or so Monero threads that are started by Monero supporters are hardly an excessive percentage. That many of the Monero threads are in the first page, speaks about the vitality of the community. Monero is a new coin, and ranks about TOP-5 in $ value of emission per day and trade volume. Also it is very easy to not see Monero-related stuff - just not click those threads!

We believe this multi-pronged attack has gone a little too far now, and there might be retaliation coming.

The issue is fighting stupidity with censorship in an area dedicated to total anarchy winds up getting you labelled with the other moderated regimes.  

I would have no problem moving to alternate forums but on bitcointalk I think non moderated helps the image.  People can create whatever stupid threads in the main area they want even if we do moderate the chat thread to try & make Monero look like a fool.  Which is what they've done.

Locking down and moderating this thread is a largely defensive move that I think would backfire.

+1

Why not make the reddit forum the official discussion (without the trolls) page;  open for new users without being open season for trolls.

[varun555]

I disagree with the self moderated thread.  Several other coins are specifically NOT open to negative discussions and become a blind group circlejerk.

While I have no fear of that happening to XMR (at least to the extent I've seen in other places) I feel leaving the main chat thread unmoderated speaks volumes about it's legitimacy.

In online forums, there are little ways to differentiate legitimate speaking from malicious. Established members recognize each other (reputation) but occasional lurkers do not have this guide. It is easy to affect the quality of discussion, and even the perception of community opinion, by cheap methods that are difficult to thwart. This is why they are so commonly used.

There is, for example, no realistic reason for any actual cryptoperson to hate let's say Monero. Yet by reading the forums, there is a perception that there is a large anti-Monero crowd there. In actuality there is not. The number of Monero users is over 10,000 and they are happy with their using. A small number of accounts is spreading their negative view.

This could be mitigated by making the posting costly, by instituting a minimum reputation threshold, by making a per-post fee, by making it needed to show that the poster actually has Moneros if he is going to talk about it, etc. These measures have not been implemented. The only way to deal with trolls is deleting their posts, which angers them, or ignoring them, which leaves the main problem - affecting the perception of the lurkers - uncured.

We in the Monero community have not yet reached the consensus on how to tackle this angle of attack. Some members have hinted that dedicated forums are coming. This is definitely a good development. The "insiders" of the coin need discussion channels where there is no interference. Yet, the importance of Bitcoin Forum > Other > Alternate cryptocurrencies is really big and there are no plans to leave it.

There has been talk about Monero having more than its fair share of threads and activity in this forum. Now that is complete bullshit. The Alternate cryptocurrencies main (without even the [ANN] and others) has 31,440 threads total, of which the 20 or so Monero threads that are started by Monero supporters are hardly an excessive percentage. That many of the Monero threads are in the first page, speaks about the vitality of the community. Monero is a new coin, and ranks about TOP-5 in $ value of emission per day and trade volume. Also it is very easy to not see Monero-related stuff - just not click those threads!

We believe this multi-pronged attack has gone a little too far now, and there might be retaliation coming.

Agree.

Both moderation and unmitigated access for fudding have their pros and cons and accepting either one of them compromises either quality or usability of the forum.
I am going dingbat crazy trying to not reply fuddsters (owing to the calls of refraining to feed them).

HERE IS MY NOOBISH ALTERNATIVE :

The ultimate aim of a fuddster is to have a psychological response from us ( panic selling from weak hands, instilling confusion, irritation, etc etc....AND eliciting a likewise response from us. This in my opinion gives them the greatest kick ). Lets respond to them psychologically:

What if we , as a community,  adopt a phrase, a stinging one but which also gives space / opportunity to bring value / substantiations to their various claims; as a constant and stock reply to them all over and over again.......for a long time in the life of this thread.

We get to vent against the fudders ( We must have that satisfaction).  Over a period of time the fuddsters will become dispirited (for they will realise that they have been docketed for only a single staple response), lurkers and casual observers need not verify reputations and will be able to segregate them easily; And there are more than a few fair minded people here who will prevent from abuse of this strategy , if adopted.

[smooth]

I disagree with the self moderated thread.  Several other coins are specifically NOT open to negative discussions and become a blind group circlejerk.

While I have no fear of that happening to XMR (at least to the extent I've seen in other places) I feel leaving the main chat thread unmoderated speaks volumes about it's legitimacy.

In online forums, there are little ways to differentiate legitimate speaking from malicious. Established members recognize each other (reputation) but occasional lurkers do not have this guide. It is easy to affect the quality of discussion, and even the perception of community opinion, by cheap methods that are difficult to thwart. This is why they are so commonly used.

There is, for example, no realistic reason for any actual cryptoperson to hate let's say Monero. Yet by reading the forums, there is a perception that there is a large anti-Monero crowd there. In actuality there is not. The number of Monero users is over 10,000 and they are happy with their using. A small number of accounts is spreading their negative view.

This could be mitigated by making the posting costly, by instituting a minimum reputation threshold, by making a per-post fee, by making it needed to show that the poster actually has Moneros if he is going to talk about it, etc. These measures have not been implemented. The only way to deal with trolls is deleting their posts, which angers them, or ignoring them, which leaves the main problem - affecting the perception of the lurkers - uncured.

We in the Monero community have not yet reached the consensus on how to tackle this angle of attack. Some members have hinted that dedicated forums are coming. This is definitely a good development. The "insiders" of the coin need discussion channels where there is no interference. Yet, the importance of Bitcoin Forum > Other > Alternate cryptocurrencies is really big and there are no plans to leave it.

There has been talk about Monero having more than its fair share of threads and activity in this forum. Now that is complete bullshit. The Alternate cryptocurrencies main (without even the [ANN] and others) has 31,440 threads total, of which the 20 or so Monero threads that are started by Monero supporters are hardly an excessive percentage. That many of the Monero threads are in the first page, speaks about the vitality of the community. Monero is a new coin, and ranks about TOP-5 in $ value of emission per day and trade volume. Also it is very easy to not see Monero-related stuff - just not click those threads!

We believe this multi-pronged attack has gone a little too far now, and there might be retaliation coming.

Agree.

Both moderation and unmitigated access for fudding have their pros and cons and accepting either one of them compromises either quality or usability of the forum.
I am going dingbat crazy trying to not reply fuddsters (owing to the calls of refraining to feed them).

HERE IS MY NOOBISH ALTERNATIVE :

The ultimate aim of a fuddster is to have a psychological response from us ( panic selling from weak hands, instilling confusion, irritation, etc etc....AND eliciting a likewise response from us. This in my opinion gives them the greatest kick ). Lets respond to them psychologically:

What if we , as a community,  adopt a phrase, a stinging one but which also gives space / opportunity to bring value / substantiations to their various claims; as a constant and stock reply to them all over and over again.......for a long time in the life of this thread.

We get to vent against the fudders ( We must have that satisfaction).  Over a period of time the fuddsters will become dispirited (for they will realise that they have been docketed for only a single staple response), lurkers and casual observers need not verify reputations and will be able to segregate them easily; And there are more than a few fair minded people here who will prevent from abuse of this strategy , if adopted.

Is it true ?

Seriously best solution is just ignore them. And grow the community enough that we can leave this mess behind and not miss it. They can all come and play in the "Alternative cryptocurrencies" ghetto on our forum. Alternatives to Monero.

[h3speros]

how many hours until we know for sure? would now be a good time to buy shitloads of xmr, are we going to see big rise after "nothing happened"?

[silencesilence]

Somebody's not happy that XMR hasn't dropped more so, put up a big sell wall /150 btc / , dump a bunch and buy back lower. cause a stampede if possible.

Monero is very strong 

[nioc]

how many hours until we know for sure? would now be a good time to buy shitloads of xmr, are we going to see big rise after "nothing happened"?

I think 29 hrs from now.

[dEBRUYNE]

Somebody's not happy that XMR hasn't dropped more so, put up a big sell wall /150 btc / , dump a bunch and buy back lower. cause a stampede if possible.

Monero is very strong  

Might aswell be someone that is willing to cause some sort of panic dumping into his own lower bids.

[h3speros]

how many hours until we know for sure? would now be a good time to buy shitloads of xmr, are we going to see big rise after "nothing happened"?

I think 29 hrs from now.

thank you

[owlcatz]

how many hours until we know for sure? would now be a good time to buy shitloads of xmr, are we going to see big rise after "nothing happened"?

I think 29 hrs from now.

thank you

Not sure if XBC made this or what, but i found it on some (this?) thread a while ago...

http://itsalmo.st/#timetokillxmr

[generalizethis]

how many hours until we know for sure? would now be a good time to buy shitloads of xmr, are we going to see big rise after "nothing happened"?

I think 29 hrs from now.

thank you

Not sure if XBC made this or what, but i found it on some (this?) thread a while ago...

http://itsalmo.st/#timetokillxmr

Try this one:


itsalmo.st/#timeforxmrlaunch

[bigj]

Lov'in it!

http://itsalmo.st/#timetobuy

[papa_lazzarou]

Hi,

For those people who like to kill two birds with one stone (looking at you David   ) I have created an AMI that launches GPU and CPU miner automatically, on cryptonotepool.org.uk for the Dev Fund Address.

The name is XMRminerToDevFund which gives about 550 h/s total.

oregon - ami-15185b25
tokyo - ami-c5c3edc4
singapore - ami-0cb0945e
sydney - ami-b781e28d
ireland - ami-2abe185d
N. Virginia - ami-a477dccc
N. California - ami-250f0760

You basicaly follow jwinterm instructions bellow and stop at number four.

This is a detailed guide to setup cloud miners (cpu+gpu) on Amazon EC2. I put together this guide for user oda.krell, who was kind enough to give me a very nice tip for it, so thanks should also go to oda.krell.

OK,
So here goes (assuming you have your ec2 account all set up and linked to credit card, which you can do here: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ ):
1) Click on EC2, and then click on Spot Requests under Instances on left sidebar.
2) Click Request Spot Instances blue button near top, and then click Community AMIs and search for XMRminer. Select XMRminer2.
3) For Instance Type, select GPU instances g2.2xlarge, click next and set your maximum price (kind of expensive now, need to do like $0.09 per hour, used to be more like $0.06).
4) Click Review and Launch and then click Launch.

(.....)

If you would like to send me some coins for tip, here is btc:

Code:

1Gy2BQKMVjvWdRnG3Ktwm2cXdEyL8ZdqvE

and xmr addresses:

Code:

49jkaP1xDZrEYaWxtoToPzitbQh6Z7Vv8c3MwtP49wsZhJUR5VojrxcKgb76zT8XRU5AAWHVptx4RgxgLb5fX7iM2vBSKXA

Let me know if you have any questions or anything. And if you want to repost anywhere, I don't mind. Good luck

Its also possible to select other types of instances but performance may take a hit because its configured to 8 cores.

(Any trusted member wants to vouch for this?)

I'll be copying the AMI to various locations and posting here the ami reference as soon I have the time.

EDIT:
Thanks nioc, but the address is OK in the AMI.